Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - COLTS SQUAD SHOW: Daniel Jones HURT, Woes in Jacksonville Continue | Third Straight Loss for Colts

Episode Date: December 7, 2025

Quarterback Daniel Jones left Sunday's loss to the Jaguars with a non-contact injury which appeared serious and the Colts were unable to overcome his absence in yet another loss in Jacksonville. The Squad convenes to talk about the impact of a long-term Jones injury, how the Colts could possibly halt their tailspin over the final weeks, play Studs & Duds, and discuss Indianapolis track record of damaging December losses. Find and follow Locked On Colts on your favorite podcast platforms: 🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/podcasts/locked-on-colts/ 📺YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLdpxJspi1hMh5HL7ExpWOQ Give the squad a follow on X/Twitter @Schultz975, @JakeArthurNFL, @ZachHicks2, @allenpinkett, @LockedOnColts, and @ColtsOn_SI, as well on TikTok and Instagram! Locked On NFL League-Wide: Every Team, Fantasy, Draft & More 🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/podcasts/locked-on-nfl/Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!Aura FramesFor a limited time, save on the perfect gift by visiting https://AuraFrames.com to get $35 off Aura’s best-selling Carver Mat frames - named #1 by Wirecutter - by using promo code LOCKEDON at checkout.FanDuelIf you want to be right in the middle of the action this season, visit FanDuel.com and place your NFL live bets all season long.PrizePicksDownload the PrizePicks app today and use code LOCKEDONNFL to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup.Click Here: https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/LOCKEDONNFLGametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONNFL for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download Gametime today. What time is it? Gametime.Mint MobileTurn your expensive wireless present into a huge wireless savings future by switching to Mint. Shop Mint Unlimited Plans at http://MINTMOBILE.com/LOCKEDONNFL.Disclaimer: Limited time offer. Upfront payment of: $45 for 3-mo., $90 for 6-mo., or $180 for 12-mo. plan required($15/mo. equivalent). Taxes & fees. Initial plan term only. >35GB may slow when network is busy. Capable device required. Availability, speed, & coverage varies. See mintmobile.com.ZocdocStop putting off your doctor’s appointments and get the care you need.Go to Zocdoc.com/lockedonnfl to find and instantly book a top-rated doctor today.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome into the Colts Squad Show. I'm your host, Derek Schultz, and the Colts might make this a very crappy Christmas. And I'm Zach Hicks, and at least we have the Indiana Hoosiers football team, which is crazy to stay. I'm Alan Pinkett, former Euler, and although I'm new to Colts fandom,

the curse is real. Colts Nation, rise up. It's the Colts Squad, everything Indianapolis Colts every week, covering all the big hits and game-changing plays from the Circle City the way only the Locked-on podcast network can. It's time to squad up.

The Colts Squajo starts now. Thanks so much for joining us on the Locked-on Colts Network. Today's episode brought you by Fanduel. If you want to be right in the middle of the action this season, visit Fandul.com and place your NFL live bets all season long. I'm a dejected Derek Schultz, Indie Sports Talker, and sports columnist for the Indianapolis Business Journal. I'm joined by Nerdame Legend and former NFL running back Alan Pinkett,

who's having himself a rough day as well, considering what happened to his alma mater. And you every day, there's no Zach Hicks, everybody's favorite film buff from the wildly popular Lockdown Colts duo of Locked on Colts Daily. Jake Arthur expected to join us coming up here in just a little bit as he's wrapping up some of the postgame coverage there in Jacksonville. But as you guys know, the game just went final a few moments ago.

The Colts' second half tailspin continued with their annual loss in Jacksonville. But the Daniel Jones injury made that result. much more troubling than just your average loss. On today's squad show, we're going to discuss what a likely serious Daniel Jones injury looks like it was an Achilles. He returned to the sideline in a boot. What that would mean for this season and next for the Colts, if and how Indianapolis can lift themselves out of this collapse. We'll play week 14 studs and duds because there's always a little bit of good to go with the bad and how Indies outlook goes and how it looks with where we sit today because it just does not feel or look or sound.

you know, the vibes are bad, as the kids say. Vives are bad right now for the Colts. But guys, you know, as I mentioned, sometimes the result of the game is the secondary story. And while this was a hugely harmful loss to the Colts, Zach, as far as the division is concerned and the playoffs are concerned, I don't think there's any question. The headline emerging from this afternoon is how does this team live without Daniel Jones?

If the prognosis is as bleak as it looks. Yeah, I mean, you know, Colts fans here, we always love our good friend Tom Moore, right? Tom Moore always had the greatest quote ever when it came to backup quarterbacks. And I can't say the full quote on here is the family show, except when Alan gets a little excited. It's not a family show then, but it's a family show every other time here. But basically he said in less words here that, you know, we don't practice screwed, you know, with our backup quarterback. What is it when you're down to your third string

quarterback? What is it when you're down to your rookie six round pick quarterback? That's the big question with the Colts right now. So if you want to know what the outlook is for the Colts the rest of the season and probably even next year with it likely being a torn Achilles for Daniel Jones. So torn Achilles, if you guys recall, we talked to, me and Jake talked about this all offseason with Samson Abucon. Torne Killies is not a one year recovery. This is like a two-ish year recovery.

So even if Jones is back on the field in the first half of next season, he's going to be a shell of himself until the 2027, maybe 2028 season. So yeah, the outlook for this Colts team, especially this year. but next year as well is extremely bleak. I mean, look, Riley Leonard, there's no situation where this is going to be good for him. It's just a tough situation in general. There's under no circumstance should a six-round pick rookie quarterback be getting like legit live action like this for a playoff contending team.

So it's just an unfortunate thing for him. There's no real way to break down his play because he shouldn't be on the field. But when you're down to your third quarterback, it's just how it is. Um, yeah, I don't want to be complete doomer here with it, but I don't really see the avenue for the Colts making the playoffs this year, let alone winning another game. They're playing four playoff teams the rest of the season. And we saw the difference that having a quarterback makes it. Trevor Lawrence wasn't even like perfect today. Uh, but those plays outside of structure, those plays down the field that he made were the difference maker in a lot of ways in this one. And again, when you have a rookie six round pick quarterback, you're not going to make those, those same type of plays. So it. It's just going to be too much to overcome for this Colts team, and it's going to be one of the craziest collapses possible. Yes, part of it is the quarterback injury, but also they were kind of trending down regardless.

But from 7-1 to likely 8-9, there's going to have to be a lot of people that answer for that, but you can't really tear it all the way down because you don't have first-round picks next year. So you can't fully tear it down going into next season because that doesn't do you any good either. So the Colts are in a very, very, very tough situation going forward. Riley Leonard, go make the most of these four games and maybe earn yourself some, I mean, gosh,

if he can somehow win a game or two, he's going to earn himself a ton of money in the NFL. But, you know, that's kind of the situation the Colts are in right now. Tom Moore said it, again, Tom Moore said it best. You're screwed if you are relying on the backup quarterback. And I don't even know what he would have said about relying on the third string rookie quarterback. I feel like it would have been even worse for Tom. more in that quote. Well, I've experienced this similar situation when I was playing in Houston and Warren Moon got hurt. He broke his finger on an opposing team's helmet when he was following

through on a throw. And the guy who came in to take his place was Cody Carlson. And there was the similar doom and gloom because, let's face it, we all leaned on this guy, Warren Moon. And, I mean, his play speaks for self, he's in the Hall of Fame. But what we did as a team is we all rallied around the fact that Warren wasn't going to be there. And each one of us collectively decided we had to step up our game, you know, by 100%, you know, to try and make up for the loss. I'm sure that's what this cult's team is doing or plans to do is, you know, realize that they still have a good team. And although the quarterback is the most important piece, you know, it's, you know, fighting for those extra yards, it's holding that block

for an extra second. It's, you know, making secure tackles. It's more details that you have to incorporate in your play right now to try and make your dreams come true of getting to the playoffs. And it's sad to see Daniel Jones go down like that, but Daniel Jones doesn't play defense. And the defense today had their share of issues that some of it, the offense put them in those situations. But, you know, as far as this curse you were talking about, which I wanted to ridicule you for it because it's like it doesn't exist but after i saw the first interception on what the first play from scrimmits for the cults i was like oh that's what they're talking about and you know i've been in those games too where uh anything that can go wrong will go wrong

and you just have to fight your way through it and this is one of those games where you watch the film You flush it. You got to remember that you're a pretty decent team and then go out and make the next team pay for how sorry you were today. My thing I'll say before I kick it to Jake here, the Colts are probably clogging the toilet because they're flushing a lot of film lately.

So they might have to jump to a different toilet or something because there's been a lot of flushing lately and I don't think the pipes can handle all the film that they've been trying to flush. But I do agree, Alan, the defense today. You know, you said that, players need to step up when they see a guy go down like that, it felt like the inverse happened today, where it sucked all the life out of the defense guy. I mean, the first drive was great.

They got a three and out to start the game. And then when that injury happened, all the life was out of the defense. The offense was pretty lifeless as well, but the defense just lost their fight. And I mean, look, you don't have a chance when you're, again, your rookie six-round pick quarterback comes in, but especially if your defense isn't going to get up a fight either. So, yeah, just can't happen. you guys sorry about Daniel Jones or I guess yeah didn't know if that was a big story or not jick no I mean this like you guys mentioned things were already kind of trending down and the hope that you were getting was that you know Jones is going to start feeling better in the leg and

like maybe their offense can get back to scratching some of what they were earlier in the year and now obviously that is kind of kaput assuming that you know the worst the fears are are confirmed tomorrow or tonight um but yeah it's it's a shame because i thought early on i even started making notes i was like all right you got a couple bootlegs out of jones like it's starting to look good like they're maybe a little bit productive and then the floor falls out obviously um so i i don't want to i don't want to try and zap everybody's hope at all or anything like i I do think Riley Leonard probably played a little better than I thought he might, especially given the conditions,

but that doesn't change the fact that you got to go to Seattle next week. And then you've got a big Monday night football game against the 49ers. And then, oh, yeah, you have to tie up these matchups against the Texans and Jaguars after that. So, yeah, it's, I don't know, it feels like there's a million things to say, but you almost like, all you can do is shake your head and be like, of course, this is how it goes you know what i mean like this is just so unbelievable but at the same time because it's in jacksonville it's all very believable and uh yeah grand scheme of things which i'm sure we'll get to here shortly it uh there there's any number of ways you can go i don't think there's really

any wrong answer at this point yeah you just added to the pile of all of the uh horrible memories of the last decade down there in deval county but jack and i know that this is going to be kind of an ongoing topic, but this is the first time that I feel like we can broach it. If this is indeed a serious injury, like you mentioned, the Achilles, we all know the timeline is no bueno, right? To say Luis, I'm not just saying that because I just came back from Mexico, but when you talk about what they may do with Jones, you know, the long-term extension stuff and all this stuff that we talked about a couple of weeks ago, right?

Like, you have to, business-wise, you have to put all of that out the window. Would you let him hit the market and then it'd be a, you try to get him back on a one-year deal or, you know, or even from the Jones perspective, you know, a guy that, you know, you talk about how bad of a day the Colts had, nobody had a bad, a worse day than Daniel Jones today. I mean, he might have cost himself $8,9,100 million. Yeah, he lost so much money today. And you do feel bad for the player. Like, he was having this resurgence of the year, even with the kind of rolling back a little bit the last couple of weeks, I thought, for instance, against Houston, he was the best thing about their offense. I thought he played some pretty good,

pretty good ball. But now he goes from looking down the barrel of like what, a three or four year contract at like $40 million per year to now probably being like a one year incentive latent contract to come in here and sit for probably the first half of next season, the first quarter of next season, and then maybe get an option to start. So he's going to have to evaluate his, you know, what he's looking at. The Colts probably are his best situation because the only competition as of right now is Anthony Richardson. We'll see if the Colts go out and get somebody else. But Richardson will maybe be back next season.

Who knows with the injuries? But I'm sure Minnesota will be calling to get him on the back burner as well behind J.G. McCarthy, just if McCarthy starts off next year, slow, too. So we'll see there. But yeah, it's brutal, man. It's the unromantic aspect of football, the brutal part of the sport, are injuries that happen to guys and especially happen at these times like this. So, yeah, Daniel Jones is going to be out.

And for people saying that this is on the Colts for playing him out there, it wasn't the injured leg. I mean, I'm sure that playing on the other injury does, but it was just a bad step in the rain that popped his Achilles on his right foot when his left foot's the one that's injured. So it really wasn't really due to, I mean, I'm sure that there's part of it. But it was certainly the right, it was like the right foot, not the left foot. So it was just a freak accident, freak play that happens. similarly to what happened to another Indiana player this year as well in the NBA finals. Some things just happen. So, yeah, it looks like it's going to be out for the year here.

So when we were talking about the Colts having a two-year window with the trade for Soss Gardner of this year and next year, I just don't know what the window looks like now when you're not going to have this quarterback who was playing fairly well for you in the first year because he's probably not going to be in play for this year or much of next season either. So, yeah, we'll see. We'll see what it looks like for the Colts. And we'll talk about more in the final segment. But just a brutal, brutal outlook for both Jones and the Colts going forward.

And we have to wait and see what the prognosis is. But the Achilles is one of those that it never forewarns you. You don't get any signals beforehand. Like there's no irritation or, you know, sometimes you can get tightness down there. But you stretch it and it's fine. But there's just, all of a sudden out of the blue, it's like, damn, I didn't even know I had an Achilles issue until the thing bust on me. You know, so it's unfortunate that type of way that it had to be the Achilles because, yes, it is a very, very long road back. And I don't know if there are degrees to it, you know, it still is you're talking about a year and a half, two years to really get back to full.

capacity. So indeed a big blow. So what's going to have to happen is Riley Lenners going to have to grow up in a hurry. And, you know, Shane Sikens may have to change the offense around just a little bit to find the things that suits him. But I still believe that they can win with all the weapons that they have, but they might have to dink and dunk it down the field. Glad that you mentioned that, Alan, because that's exactly what we're going to talk about next. This will, of course, depend on Jones's status, but can the Colts pull themselves out of this tailspin? And if so, how? We'll discuss next when the Colts Squad Show returns.

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I don't remember what the final score was. It was 37-19, 36-19. They went for two a couple of times. I was kind of numb after the Jones injury. But still, the team is going to have to march on, even without him and potentially with Riley Leonard here, you know, Alan had kind of mentioned it. Look, there are weapons, right? But it's about figuring out a way to utilize them when you're down.

to essentially a third string rookie, not essentially you are. That's what you're down to in Riley Leonard. And Zach, when you just kind of look at this schematically, I know this is very difficult to do on the fly. Are there things, let's start with the offense, you know, are there things, you know, leaning heavily into Jonathan Taylor, the short passing game, just finding a way to kind of scrape together 17, 18, 20 points to maybe give yourself somewhat of a puncher's chance.

Is that possible for this team here in the final couple of games, albeit against, you know, Seattle and San Francisco and you got another game against Houston coming up. No slouches left on the schedule. Yeah, I mean, in the NFL, nothing's impossible for sure. But these were 50-50 games at best with full capacity from your team. You know, if you get to Forrest Buckner back, if you got Soss Gardner back, if Braden Smith and Alex Pierce weren't out with concussions, what looks like they might be out this next week as well due to injuries. And then now, you know, your quarterback issue, these would have been 50-50 games at best for the team. Now, with all those injuries with those guys out and again especially the quarterback i mean i'm sure like

i'm sure there's some way you can scrape together some points in these games but i'm just going to be realistic i i don't really see it i don't see much of a chance uh riley leonard i don't think played terrible football i think he played fine for what he is but a lot of what he's going to be as a guy where if he can hit his back foot and drive it to a wide open window over the middle of the field he can make those throws. But if you ask him to throw it outside the numbers, you ask him to throw it vertical, I just don't think you're going to see as many great responses. And he's still a quarterback who just hasn't seen a ton of the blitz packages that we see in the NFL. There were a couple times he got hit from them. He's not really going to help with the line protections and get those

things going that way. So yeah, I just, I don't really know what the path is for them to win these games. I mean, the defense needs to be the best defense in football, but without DeForest Buckner, without Sauce Gardner, and with the way that they played today, how can we think that that's going to happen? This was their worst performance of the season on defense. They rolled over for most of this game. So why could we expect them to be the one that steps up and performs, you know? So outside of them just getting under center and running it 40, 50 times with Jonathan Taylor and hoping he breaks through, I just don't see a path, really, against these playoff caliber teams.

Well, that's where you say, we got you right where we want you. That's where you hope the players say, you know, this is right where we want to be. Because I've been in those locker rooms where it was all doom and gloom, but you have to pick yourself back up. And, you know, Riley Leonard is a guy who I would consider a winner at quarterback. And, but yes, he did get drafted in the sixth round for a reason because he's not necessarily a game-changing quarterback. But then Tom Brady got drafted in the sixth round, too. So you see, I'm reaching.

But it's one of those, again, I can't say it enough where the team has to. really just make a decision that they're going to do everything it takes to win a game. And if it's, you know, mini ball, five-yard passes, but then breaking something for 40, 50 yards, then that's what it's got to be. And then the defense has to also make sure they put the offense in a good position by stopping somebody. You can't really control the injuries. And, you know, I'm still confident in the weapons that the cults have, but the stakes now are a little bit different.

And the stakes mean that they're going to get the best game from all their opponents. And with this, you know, losing four out of five is sort of like sharks smelling blood in the water. and so teams are really, when they see you're down, that's when they try to step on you. And so you got to somehow put a stop to that as the Colts. I think the very first thing they have to do is just believe that they can win because that's when you get into situations like today where if Jones plays, the game probably does not get as out of hand as we saw it get.

But if you go into the game thinking you don't have a chance, is Riley Leonard's your quarterback, and Brett Rippin is your backup and all, you don't stand a chance at all because you have to at least have some confidence that you can do something because, again, it looked like the defense didn't play up to par and that they were deflated. Obviously, the offense knew what was going on with their side of the ball, but if you don't even believe you can compete, then that's the just the most enormous problem you can have.

But otherwise, obviously, it's going to be run-centric. whether it should be or not, it has to be, and it will be. And I don't know, I just, I'm trying to roll back through the things Riley was good at in the summer. And, you know, running around buying time a little bit and then throwing down field. Like, if they make the passing game, nothing but dink and dunk like many probably expect, that's probably not, like, that's probably just not the best avenue. Now, his arm talent is definitely limited, but.

He, I think, kind of like Sam Ellinger, he's comfortable throwing downfield a little bit. So you just have to lean into what is most supportive around him with the run game. The offensive line has got to pick up the most possible slack that they can. And then just kind of let him cook. What do you have to lose at this point? Lean into what he's most comfortable with. And if that is throwing the ball downfield more than Daniel Jones did, then so be it. like the best chance you stand is to not force him into stuff that makes him feel totally

out of place and a quick response to a lot of the comments here asking about anthony richardson and all that he hasn't even had his injured reserve window opened yet and that's typically when it's opened it's like a three week return rate there like we just saw with jalen carly's uh this past week so um yeah it's it's not i don't i don't anticipate richards at all this season yeah he's not been declared out of for the year, but I wouldn't count on him being back this year. That was a severe eye injury, and

the only rehab for it is really rest. Like, it's improving, but maybe he can get back for the last game or two. I just, I would go forward as if he's not going to play. Yeah, you'd have to assume it's going to be Leonard here, kind of moving forward here. If we were to say,

hypothetically, what it could take for the Colts to hold on to a play playoff spot. Zach, you have to split these final four? I mean, it's 10 the bare minimum, essentially. I mean, maybe with nine, you could get a bunch of tiebreakers with some help, but you never want to put yourself in a situation and need help. We've seen that with the Colts in the past, and it usually doesn't work out for you, putting yourself in the situation where you need to rely on other teams. But yeah, your goal for the Colts, I mean, your goal, obviously, is to win all four of these if you're a team. It's just how you have to operate

as a team, but they need to at least split these games. You don't want to rely on a bunch of tiebreakers and all that. And let's see who they're going against. They're going at Seattle home game against the 49ers. That's a playoff team as well. And then these two divisional teams where Shane Steichen is two and eight in his career with the Colts against Jacksonville and Houston. So he doesn't have the best track record against those two teams.

He needs to somehow pull out a couple of wins with those. So it's not looking great for the Colts. I mean, it's just a tough, like maybe if you were playing like Vegas and Cleveland down the stretch, you could maybe. lump, get like a 10 to 9 victory or something and sneak yourself in, but you're playing playoff caliber, like not even just playoff caliber teams. I mean, Jacksonville has been on a role lately. They're killing teams these last couple weeks. Houston is one five straight. Seattle's arguably the best team in football. And the 49ers are the, are the best road team in the league

right now. And they're coming to Indy in that game. So these are very, very difficult games, even if they were fully healthy. Now with all the injuries with, you know, Brayin Smith might be out this week, Alec Pierce, who knows what the rest of his season looks like. This is potentially his second concussion of the season. So yeah, I don't know. I just don't see the avenue. I really don't see it. It would have to take a monumental collapse from whoever they're playing against in the game, like from an opposing quarterback to just be missing his throws and they're fumbling snaps and they're just losing a game they don't deserve to lose and the Colts capitalizing on that, which can certainly happen in the end.

NFL. It's just the margin for error is so slim in every game, but especially when you are probably not the better of the teams in your matchups. And with the Colts, the last couple weeks, they've been shooting themselves in the foot so much that are like, again, to win these games, you have to be perfect and bank on these teams making mistakes. With them having, you know, Jonathan Taylor's fumbled, whatever the heck was going on on that third and fourth and one before the half with Shane Steichen, whatever the defense was doing in this game, those plays. plays can't happen if you want to win with the third string quarterback. And we saw today it turned into a blowout loss as a result.

So, yeah, I really don't know what the avenue is for the Colts. I think we're likely looking at an eight and nine season with, I mean, they can't tank next year. They don't have, they don't have a, you know, a first round pick. There's no point in tanking. You have to still go for it next year. But it's tough to sell anybody on your eight and nine team who just had the, what, arguably the biggest collapse tied for the biggest collapse in football history or whatever coming back

and putting together a playoff season. So yeah, it's bleak, man. It's very bleak Colts Nation. I don't really know how to sugarcoat it for you guys. Maybe Alan can sugarcoat it a little bit for us. Well, yeah, I would just say, you know, the guys still have to remain positive. They still have the ability to go out and make plays, despite who the quarterback is. They were a machine earlier in the season, so they've got to find those things that made them a machine. And, you know, Riley Leonard, he's going to get a crash course. You know, I think the other teammates will be encouraging enough and just let them know, hey, just go out and give it your best shot.

You know, we got your back. Hopefully they can protect them because if we thought Daniel Jones saw some exotic blitzes, You know what they do to a rookie, six-round draft pick. What kind of exotic stuff they show him. But, you know, the main thing is get the ball out of your hands. And, you know, that would be your best bet at completing the long ball is if they're going to sell out, you got to make them pay when they sell out. So there will be a tremendous amount of time spent on Blitz pickup. And there's a couple things they can do to compensate.

They can just send two guys out and max protect for him so that he has time. And hopefully our two guys can beat their eight back deep. But you can't ever give up hope. And there's, I'm sure, been situations before where backups came in. I mean, look at what, Frank Reich. Again, I'm reaching. But there are instances out there. where you can still achieve what you want to achieve

because you've got most of the things in place that you need to achieve it. Yeah, and at least the benefit for the Colts, if there is any benefit right now, I'm the Duma right now, but if there's any benefit, it's you already have eight wins, you need, like, one game to just break your way. Maybe the bad reffing will work back around

and help you out in one of these games and steal you a win. I mean, at least you already have the eight wins. This isn't like you need to win out to make the playoffs and you're trying to do it. here like you just need a couple bounces to go your way and what's the thing we always say about the NFL it's hard to beat the same team twice so the onus will be on Jacksonville in Houston but nah this is just me trying to spin it with Alan here I it's not going to happen speaking of bounces

not going your way I always was familiar with the rule that a 50-50 ball always goes to the offense let's attack the officiating as a common enemy soon because I have very very strong opinions in the next segment we'll talk about because like i don't even just have the officiating as bad just for the colts i know the colts had some but like every single call they made it in this game felt terrible every game it was awful some dud officiating and uh a dud performance in duval county again for the colts but that doesn't mean that there weren't any standouts so we'll do exactly what the guys are talking about we're going to play studs and duds next when the colt squad show returns this portion of the colt's

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I actually just wanted to be positive. Maybe it's just Zach's negative vibes of the whole thing. We're all negative right now. But let's actually start studs. And Zach, you had mentioned this person. And I think he deserves some studly flowers. You know, Zaire Franklin, right? I thought he played fairly well considering the circumstances.

I don't think that there are a lot of good defensive individual performances today. And I think the defense as a whole was sort of a mess. But I thought Sayre Franklin played pretty well, just kind of surface level. If I had to pick somebody from the defense, I think 44 would be my guy. Yeah, well, I think Tarverger, or Mooney Ward was the best defender out there. for the Colts, for sure. I thought he had a big-time bounce-back game. Now, he allowed the

big catch, obviously, to Brian Thomas down the sideline, but you could have put the greatest, you could put Dion Sanders or anybody there on him and that, and he's making that catch. That ball was a 1% chance of being completed, and he made that play. Franklin was big play hunting all game long,

so there were a lot of missed tackles in the backfield, but, I mean, when they were trailing from most of the game, you really had to create those big plays and I thought he did have a couple stuff. So, you know, on a defense where I think the entire defensive line, Sands Grover Stewart was atrocious, Jermaine Pratt had a rough game, Jalen Jones had the worst game of his entire career out there. Franklin, I know the comments are mad here, but Franklin probably was their second or third best defender today. And maybe that speaks to how the

defense played in this game. But yeah, outside of Mooney Ward, there wasn't like a pretty good defender out there. So Franklin at least made some negative plays out there for the Colts defense. I will give him that. A negative place as a positive. Yeah, negative play for the opposing offense. Yes. He made both. He made some other. Yeah. He was up and down, but at least there were some ups in his game, I guess, right? Like Grover Stewart, I thought, was up and down and there were some ups as well. But everybody else, it was a lot of downs across the board for them. So it was, it was rough. Let's see, other positives here. The kicker didn't miss. I think that was cool. You know, it's always nice when I don't have to really think too much about a kicker.

Alec Pierce continued his play. Although he got hurt at the end of the game, he continued his really strong play, had a really, really solid game out there. That's it. That's all I got. I mean, yeah. We could give Riley Leonard some credit, right? Like, what a tough situation to just be thrown into.

Look, he's third string for a reason. And I thought for the most part, he didn't embarrass himself out there. I mean, he's an extremely limited player. but I didn't think that it was a total grease fire or anything like that. Yeah. Well, like I say, the best position in football is back up quarterbacks. You have one play away from being the most important person on the team. And when you come in, you don't have to be a world beater.

You just want to maintain. If you can maintain, you can stay in the league a long time. And I think Riley Leonard was a lot closer to maintaining than he was being a world beater. Can he improve? Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, having a week where he's taking number one reps, you know, hopefully it doesn't blow his mind because of all the responsibilities a starter has when they come up to the line of scrimmage and have to see, you know, this defense, I got to check to that play. No, they moved out of that defense. I got to check to another play. Just getting in the rhythm of doing all that stuff, you hope that doesn't blow his mind. But he's athletic enough to run his way out of trouble. I think he'll be all right. As far as other, I guess, what I would call studs,

I think Michael Pittman played a pretty decent game today and Alec Pierce. I think those two guys, Alec Pierce continues to amaze me, but I'm not surprised once I found out it says contract year, because you always play better in your contract year. But, you know, it may have been one too many concusses, he got, you know, because sometimes teams are reluctant to pay because if you keep getting concussions, they might want to cut you lose too. You know, so I hope, I hope he's going to be

all right. But I think the receivers acquitted themselves pretty well. The few times that Josh Downs was able to get the ball, he was able to make something happen. So there were some some bright spots, but I am convinced, having been with you guys now for how many months, close to six months, that that stadium and that particular game is haunted. There is something about it. It was just eerie when it came on, and the rain just added to the theater of it, you know, gloomy day. Of course, it's going to rain on your ass.

because it's a gloomy day and nothing going your way. Yeah, I thought Pierce and Pittman both had a really good games. Downs didn't get called on a lot, but when he did, I thought he came through Tyler Warren as well. Like those small things he wasn't able to do last week when he was sick, he kind of came through with those. But, you know, last week, I kind of, I didn't want to throw full blame on the rest last week for the loss, I was just like, you know, this is a game of like the most minute

details in how you win and lose. And I thought when I evaluate like Riley Leonard's performance today, it came down to like some really tiny details as well. Like overall, yes, he was a six-round rookie thrust into a situation that is too big necessarily for where he's at right now. Like, that's the truth of it. But you look at it, the Alec Pierce almost touchdown. like if that goes down as a touchdown i think we're having a little different conversation about leonard the pitman opi that was just ridiculous that was a true touchdown jags fans can say the same thing but like those are two plays that could have been touchdowns now i think only one of those resulted in actual points they got a field well maybe they got fieldables on both

no they got something late too from letter ran for the touchdown after the piece not touchdown but yeah he led like four scoring drives in total through four scoring drives but yeah like just the teeniest tiniest tiniest you know it goes your way either way where those could have been touchdowns like really nice throws and we're probably feeling even a little bit more rosy about him so we'll see if he's the kind of guy because this is how Shane is if Shane has time to prepare a backup quarterback it feels like it doesn't go well you know what I mean you look at Lacko, you look at Menschu. But if the backup gets thrown into a game, like in-game to replace a backup, they cook.

Like, Shane is really good with it. That player is usually really good with it. So we'll see if Leonard is like the like, oh, shoot, here I go, like ballout gamer like that. Or if it winds up where you have a week to prepare now for Seattle, how does it look? Is it look this absolutely horrendous like Sam Ellinger against the Patriots? we'll see but like in his history you guys can back me up when Shane has a backup quarterback and a whole week to prepare it almost never goes well I swear I told my mom the same thing in high school when I study for a test I do worse I just need to spend my time playing

video games the week before exactly and not study and I'll do so much better yeah I do so much better off the vibes but yeah we have so many duds that we have to get to in this one because I mean I think the biggest dud and this is where I'm actually going to it on Lou Anirumo for one of my few times this year, I don't understand Jalen Jones over Mackay Blackman in this game. And I know at the end of the day, it looked worse than what we would have thought coming in. I know a lot of Colts fans been saying Jalen Jones, get him out there, but Mackay Blackman's been fine. Like the only argument I see really for it was like that Blackman had a slipping problem earlier in the year and maybe you don't want to put him out there

on the wet grass. But outside of that, Blackman's been the better corner than Jalen Jones this year in all offseason as well. I know that Blackman wasn't here, but Jones had a really rough off. I don't understand getting him out there and starting. He was dreadful. Like, it was truly awful out there with him at corner. He had a target on his back all game long,

and they just kept peppering him in the passing game. And that's where a huge part of it kind of came in there. Defensive line, the pass rush was just abysmal. And this is always a problem against Jacksonville. They can never rush the passer against Jacksonville whatsoever. But, I mean, Layatu-Latu got nothing. There was no hits, no pressures, no sacks there for the Colts defense. Even when they brought blitzes, they were getting picked up.

It was just brutal. And the couple times they had free rushers, Trevor Lawrence made them miss. And it's like, I mean, they were trying to get pressure, but it just couldn't get it done with the players. They're just not stepping up and not winning and not getting into the backfield. And then the biggest dud, I think you have to point at the head coach, you know, Shane Steichen. And this is not, again, like a huge play calling thing, but. two and eight against your two biggest rivals in the division. And this isn't, you know, the third-dring quarterback was in there for this one.

So I'm not going to say like this is everything. But again, two and eight. That's 10 games of sample size. They have a 20% win percentage against their two biggest rivals in the division. And it's constantly been your team just not showing up for these games. I mean, this was an absolute beatdown. And like even if Jones plays this game, I don't know if they win it the way it started out and how lackluster these guys looked out there.

And that falls on you as a head coach. You know, I'm not saying that every head coach needs to be this super rah, ra, ra guy that pumps you up. But you just can't have guys laying down in a divisional game like that. Where was the fight in this team today? They were just getting steamrolled all game long. I mean, the running, like the rushing touchdowns early, like the 20-something yard touchdown by ETN. A walk-in touchdown from 20 yards out, where is the fight? Where's the competitiveness from your team?

And they were just failing at all phases and just not playing good football. So, yeah, I mean, look, I've been a Shane Steiking guy. I think he has been a good play call, and I think he's done some good things. But at the end of the day, this is inexcusable. They constantly fall short in these games. The team doesn't show up, and they make a lot of mistakes in boneheaded plays. And that falls on the head coach. You know, at the end of the day, if your employees are struggling, it falls on the manager,

regardless of how much of an impact it had on him. And that's what's happening in these games. So I'm not fully blaming him where it's like, yeah, they didn't win with Riley Leonard out there because who the heck is going to win with Riley Leonard? against a playoff caliber team, but this has been a trend for Shane Steichen's teams with the Colts. He's two and eight in his time against these two teams. No wonder they haven't won a division under him.

No wonder they haven't won it in however long because they cannot get it done in these big divisional games and it's constantly happened. To have the lack of fight they had today, like I'm fine if you lose the game with your third string quarterback out there, it happens. But to have it just be an absolute beat down when you're making constant mistakes

and guys are giving up on play. come on man let's be better than that out there at least go down fighting out there i didn't see much fight from many of the guys out there um and it was just a dreadful beat down loss i'll throw this in uh maybe it's because there were five games left because as a player you really try to condition yourself physically and mentally for what we call the stretch run and the stretch run is four games so you got to throw the fifth game out because you really try to prepare prepare yourself, especially depending upon how you played in the prior games, to be in a position in that stretch run to make a difference. You always, you know, even in your offseason when you're

training, you know, when you're practicing in the middle of the season, you are preparing so that you can be at your best in that stretch run. Well, I guess it's here now. So now they can flip that switch. They couldn't flip it today because number one, they were in Jackson ville. Number two, it was raining. Number three, sometimes, sometimes I'm sorry to say this, sometimes you start believing that the place is haunted and you can't win. Sometimes you believe you can't win in a place where you haven't won before. But now that you've gotten past that, you can really hone in on those four games that you have left. Of course, you're going to do them one at a time. But this is what all that extra weightlifting and training,

and stuff is four is to play your best in the last four games. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are. All you can do is go out and play your best in the last four games to give yourself a shot. Yeah, no question about that. We come back here on the Colts Squad Show. The Daniel Jones injury obviously overshadows everything. But this latest loss in Jacksonville, it's just another chapter and a long time trend for the Colts in critical late season games. We're going to talk about that when the squad show returns.

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I know, Alan, you're new to the Colts curses and fandom and all of these things that have kind of been part of our lives for a long time here in Indianapolis. but this loss, and I get that Jones got hurt in it, and Jake, I think you could especially chime in here. This is just seemingly what has been happening. You know, if you ask me, okay, why do the Colts not win the AFC South over and over and over again? It's because they have these December divisional games, just like this one, or just like last week against Houston, and they lose them over and over again.

You know, part of me is like, yes, there are context to some of these, but there are also games like they lost consecutive December. at home to Houston to Brock Osweather and Brandon Weed. You know, they lost a game, a win and in game against Houston to end the 2023 season. This kind of is a trend

that has happened for a long time here and I'm just not willing to give. And I understand that some of these obviously predate this current regime of, you know, head coach, even team owner, you know, with Carly being new on the job here in the wake of her father's passing. But, you know, this is something

that Colts fans just kind of keep having to deal with over and over again. It just feels like when the chips have been down and the Colts have reached a crisis point or a turning point of the season, a must win if you want to use that term. I know it's cheesy and it gets thrown out there a lot. The Colts almost always fall in their face. They do. I mean, I go and I look back at 2021, the Carson Went season.

You win either one of the last two games against the Raiders and the Jaguars and you're in. Just win one game against two awful teams and you're in. They didn't win either of them. You got the Texans game with the fourth and one. They obviously didn't cover it on that. But yeah, it's, I don't know if you called a culture thing or what. But like, it's kind of ingrained in their DNA. Like, they collapse.

They choke. Like, and there's just really no kind way to put it. When you're favored, when you, they did not have momentum in this game, but like they had momentum the entire first half of the year, guys, they were the number one team in the end. NFL, number one team in the NFL for like most of the first half of the year, which is insane to think about because they look like one of the worst teams over the last month plus now. So yeah, I don't know what it is. And like, I don't want to accuse players of like giving up or anything like that because these, I mean, competition is instinctive. Like they're not

out there trying to lose or not give effort or anything. They want to win just the same. But like, I just don't know how collapses like this happen so systematically. You know what I mean? It's it's not just one player or one unit, one side of the ball. It's everybody all it runs. And, you know, you look at the Giants game last year. How in the hell did that happen? Like this to me, I have not been as disgusted in a game as today, like since that Giants game last year.

I just sat here with a straight glum face with no expression feeling. dead inside the entire game. You know what I mean? Now, part of that was Jones, but, like, they did not show any spark or any fight after that to show that it was going to be that there was going to be any sort of light at the end of the tunnel. And, I mean, they have a week to do some soul searching and figured out. Like, these are going to be tough matchups in the last handful of games here.

They're going to be tough. There's no guarantee they're going to win any of them. But you have to show up and you have to try. because what people are now expecting is a bunch of those Giants performances. You know what I mean? Yeah. And they just have to, they have to prove that they're above that. Yeah.

And part of it for me too, because, again, you guys know, I like to look at things analytically and through this, like, you know, not from like the rah-rah, like, oh, I got to just play tougher type of mindset and stuff. And part of it is like the fact that they've just been very unlucky in a lot of these situations. Your quarterback tearing is Achilles, which has apparently been confirmed now, pro football talk reported pro football talk reported that the torn Achilles is as official so there's something like that there's you know the the drop by tyler goodson against houston in 20203 like these are not

things that consistently are supposed to be repeatable but when it happens for 10 straight years for for 15 straight whatever ever since uh patin manning's neck injury it's been happening to this colt's team over and over and over again uh it's more than just a like oh it it's unlucky or just bad luck or something there's something going on with this team i don't know if it's like alan says where you see the curse on paper and your brain gets wrapped up in the curse that it could be real and it affects your play on the field i don't know if it's just a string of bad luck or or what it is or if they need to just completely reevaluate how they do things at the end of the day they have just been a team that comes up short ever since the patent man after ever since they cut

patent manning they have been a team that comes up short i know andrew lucky of them a couple good years in there, but they've just been a team that comes up short in big situations and lays down in a lot of these. And it doesn't matter if it's Chuck Pagano. It doesn't matter if it's Frank Reich, if it's Shane Steichen. It's just happened over and over and over again. And the snowball effect games just keep happening from, I mean, remember in 2019 when Jacoby Brissette was was regressing down the stretch, remember that Saints game where they just put it on. I think Drew Brees had like a 95% completion percentage and they won by like 50 in that game. There's the Giants game last year.

There's everything that happened down the stretch in 2022 where teams were just kicking them and kicking them down the gutter. And it just keeps happening. Even in the years where they're playoff bound or the potentially playoff bound, you see these late season collapses and struggles. So I don't know. Like maybe Allen can give us a little bit here from the player perspective. But just from like the fan perspective, it does feel like just an organizational thing.

It just keeps happening over and over again, regardless of who the players are. the names are they just keep coming up short latent games and putting together these embarrassing embarrassing performances well i mean it is a job and sometimes you have lulls in your job and what you have to do is find the joy part of doing that job and the joy part is winning and sometimes when you lose the the only thing you learn from it is how to lose even more and somehow you have to reverse that trend. I would say that you just have to find, refine that joy that you had early in a year

because, you know, when you were winning games, you couldn't wait to get to the facility. You look forward to practice. You know, you look forward to Sunday on game day. There was nothing better. But when you lose, you know, it's, it's a 45-pound weight. you carrying around on your back. And it's just a function of everybody getting on the same page

and everybody being positive. And like you said, everybody fighting because, let's face it, the game against the Texans, they were noticeably flacked. When I saw that, I'm like, who the hell is this on the field? Especially going three and out first two series. Yeah. So, and it continued into this game. So that's why I mentioned you, you sort of build yourself, prepare yourself for the four final games of the year. You try to gear everything towards those four final games. So that's why I'm willing to toss this one out against Jacksonville. Yeah, because it was five left. But now that it was four left, there's, you can be laser-focused. on what you have to do, and they should be encouraged by the fact that they can still play in the postseason. It's right there for them. I don't care who's a quarterback. They got a shot at playing

in the postseason. And, you know, here's the thing I'll say about the postseason, because a lot of people talk about the money that, you know, a lot of these guys make. Well, it's always been interesting to me that the time in the NFL where you make the least money is for the highest stakes when you play in the playoffs and then play for the Super Bowl. You know, for a lot of guys, it's like taking a pay cut. But there's something about getting that ring. There's something about winning those games that is more appealing than any dollar amount they could give you. So, and with that comes joy. So I just encourage. of players to find the joy element in what it is that they do. And if you like to win,

let's do what we got to do to get back to winning. But I think that's the troubling thing about this. And look, I know we only have four minutes left and we can't really do like the whole shabazz here when it comes to the Colts. But, you know, I tweeted this earlier today that everyone would agree this is a good Colts core, right? But the common denominator with Jonathan Taylor, Quentin Nelson, Zaire Franklin, Kenny Moore, Michael Pittman Jr. They have a one anything. You know, and I do think that that goes into this where the Colts have reached these crisis points of the season and there's been nothing to kind of pull them out of it because these guys haven't won anything tangible in their careers. They're all good individual players

and the Colts have had a modicum of success. I want to call them losers per se. I just, they haven't won. And so it's hard for me to trust them to pull the team out of it when you don't have, you know, you have a couple of guys sprinkled in this locker room that have one elsewhere. but like the main core of this team hasn't and I just wonder yeah Zach you're exactly right about luck and all of that but man you keep running this thing back with the same GM and how often can we keep just saying oh well it's bad luck you know what I mean at some point you just kind of have to you have to make a cut and you got to make a change yeah and I think if you miss the playoffs here if you go eight and nine you you just have I mean we've said this five times in his tenure at this you're right so who knows if they actually do but yeah at some point it doesn't it isn't happen and And the crappy part is they can't even go into a rebuild next year. They can't tear it all down. They can't because they don't have first round pick. You can't tank in a year where you don't have your first round pick.

There's no incentive to that. So they do have to commit to winning football next year as well. So I don't know if that's with Ballard, with Stuyken, with Jones coming back and playing in the second half of the year. I don't know who it's with. But they have to commit to trying to get those wins next year. It can't be a tear it down at tank season because you have no incentive to. you're not gaining anything out of tearing it down and tanking. So, yeah, I don't know.

Like, it's such a bleak outlook now. And you would say this for any team that had their quarterback just go down to Tornikili's. Like, you could put 31 other teams in this same exact bubble and say if your quarterback went down to tornikili's, what's the outlook for this roster ever want to be two years older by the time he's back and who knows how effective he's going to be. But it just, it does stink to be in that situation where, you know, you're riding high. you found like you found something good in Jones. And I even think the last couple of games,

you know, I think like last game in particular, he played pretty well against Houston. I thought he had a good second drive today as well. But now with him being out and not really, I mean, where's their avenue to get another quarterback in here? And like you said, Derek, you're still surrounded by the same leadership group that hasn't won a thing. And they have not shown to be that leadership group that can win a thing.

The only times they've made the playoffs with this leadership group was with a pro bowl, all pro caliber and Andrew Luck and a future Hall of Fame or potential Hall of Famer and Philip Rivers at quarterback who were the leaders of those teams. So I don't, I don't know, man. I don't, it sucked. It's a really bleak outlook for not only this year, but next year as well. Yeah, I thought that, you know, we, or the cults addressed this by bringing in Mooney Ward, somebody who came from a winning culture. Because that's what you do is when you've got a group of guys that are not used to winning, you expose them to someone who is used to winning. And I thought we addressed that when we brought in in Ward. It's kind of similar to when I was

in Green Bay. There were decent players. But when they brought Reggie White in, it changed everything. So it may be they have to bring in a couple of folks like that from winning organizations to establish a culture of winning because you can get, you know, caught up in doing the same thing all the time. Unless you're told differently, no, we're going to do it like this. So hopefully Ward has that influence that, hey, I've been on teams that have been to the Super Bowl, this is what we need to do. Thanks so much for joining us on the Colts Squad Show.

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