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Episode Date: April 15, 2026As we continue hurtling towards NFL Draft week, the Squad reconvenes to discuss the options aplenty that the Colts have should they choose to pursue a linebacker on Day 2. Also, a look back on Chris B...allard's strong drafting history at the position, what a potential Kenny Moore departure means for the continued leadership makeover in the Colts' locker room, and what new addition Nasir Adderley might still have left in the tank. Find and follow Locked On Colts on your favorite podcast platforms: 🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/podcasts/locked-on-colts/ 📺YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLdpxJspi1hMh5HL7ExpWOQ Give the squad a follow on X/Twitter @Schultz975, @JakeArthurNFL, @ZachHicks2, @allenpinkett, @LockedOnColts, and @ColtsOn_SI, as well on TikTok and Instagram! Locked On NFL League-Wide: Every Team, Fantasy, Draft & More 🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/podcasts/lockedoncolts The 2026 Indy Draft Guide is here! 150+ write-ups on the 2026 NFL Draft class, plus how each player fits the Colts, and an in-depth dive into Chris Ballard's draft history and usage of draft picks. Order now: https://draftguide.gumroad.com/l/indy26 EVERYDAYER CLUB If you never miss an episode, it’s time to make it official. Join the Locked On Everydayer Club and get ad-free audio, access to our members-only Discord, and more — all built for our most loyal fans. Get one month free of the Everydayer Club with code MARCH. Click here to learn more and join your team’s community: https://lockedonpodcasts.com/everydayerclub Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! TurboTax This year you’re getting a major upgrade — Intuit TurboTax now has in-person locations nationwide. Visit http://TurboTax.com/local to book your appointment today. FanDuel Today's episode is brought to you by FanDuel.Right now new customers can bet just five dollars and get two-hundred and fifty dollars in bonus bets if your first bet wins. Visit https://FANDUEL.COMto get started — Play Your Game. Indeed Listeners of this show get a $75 Sponsored Job Credit to help give your job the premium placement it deserves at http://Indeed.com/podcast. Rugiet Get 15% off your treatment → https://rugiet.com/lockedonnhl Rugiet. Performance medicine for men. Rocket MoneyLet Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. Join athttp://RocketMoney.com/LOCKEDON FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Welcome to the Colts Squad Show. I'm your host, Derek Schultz, and I don't need no green jacket.
Just show me the green, baby.
And I'm Zach Hicks, and we're entering year 10 of Chris Ballard looking for an edge rusher in the draft.
I'm Jake Arthur, and is the draft here yet? I'm done waiting.
I'm Alan Pinkett, former Euler. And I guess the question is, can you find a pro bowler in round two?
It's the Colt Squad, everything Indianapolis Colts every week, covering all the big hits and game-changing plays from the Circle City, the way only the locked-on podcast network can.
It's time to squad up.
The Colt Squad Joe starts now.
Welcome to the Colts Squad Show.
I'm your host Derek Shultz, longtime indie sports talker and sports columnist for the Indianapolis Business Journal.
I'm joined by a nerd name legend and longtime NFL running back Alan Pinkett.
And as always, we are also joined by that dynamic.
Locked on Colts duo, Jake Arthur, Zach Hicks, your first listen every day.
And they better darn well be your first listen every day in April during NFL draft season, especially.
These guys know their stuff.
It's all NFL draft all the time.
No secret here as we're just two weeks out from the 2026 first round.
We're talking about the importance of the Colts first selection, which unfortunately does not come in the first round.
But in segment number one, we're going to be talking about their pass rushing options
in that round.
So as far as their day two picks are concerned.
And then Chris Bowers,
not so great edge history,
which I think Zach alluded to a little bit.
Now we don't have a one year sample,
a two year sample,
or a three year sample.
We've got a 10 year sample when it comes to that.
So we'll go through the,
this is the 10th year.
This is the 10th.
That's right.
We're about to have a 10 year sample on it.
The good, the bad, the ugly.
Unfortunately, a lot of the latter two categories,
I think, when it, when it comes to the,
edge history for Chris Bauer. Not so great.
In segment number three, we'll talk about, you know, I keep hearing this over and over again,
and I wanted to run it by the group about, you know, the Colts, well, they got to build the depth.
They got to build the depth.
And the potential of that backfiring when maybe they're not addressing some other areas,
I'll clarify and we'll talk about what we mean coming up in segment number three.
And then in segment four, some news and notes around the league as we, you know,
kind of take a look at the week that was for our Thursday, locked,
on Colts show. But guys, let's jump right into the past rushers that could potentially be available.
And I wanted to start with the second round, Zach. And I know it's impossible, you know, guys sometimes
fall or teams reach for guys and maybe the board looks a lot different than when the Colts end up
with their turn to bat with that second round pick. But I just kind of grabbed a couple of names,
starting with Malachi Lawrence, who I know Jake, you just wrote up for Colts Roundtable
earlier today. But I had R. Mason Thomas from Oklahoma. I had
Keldrick Falk from Auburn, Derek Moore, a couple of big 10 guys, Derek Moore,
Gabe Accus as well, from Illinois.
Any other names sort of coming up?
I'm not even talking about necessarily, oh, these are the five guys that I picked that were great Colts fits.
I just tried to find a couple of, you know, a handful of guys that would be projected as second round-ish picks
when the Colts were going to be picking with their first selection.
Yeah, the big thing to keep in mind when you're looking at edge rushers out of there on day two,
it's like all premium positions, right?
It's like trying to find an offensive tackle outside of round one.
There are going to be some fatal flaws that led to this guy being available in round two or round three of the draft at such a vital position.
I guess you get their quarterback in there as well, right?
When you're trying to take quarterback on day two, it's like, okay, there's a reason why this guy is here.
And just going through a couple of the guys that you mentioned there, Derek, like Malachi Lawrence, coming out of UCF,
one of the freakyest testers we've seen at edge rusher just looks like an NFL edge, moves like an NFL edge.
So why is he going to be here in day two?
Well, he went to UCF and the film is just so sporadic.
So up and down, there's some flashes of brilliance in there,
but is he a day one NFL ready, like base defensive end?
Probably not.
Is he a good enough pass rusher at this moment to be your answer as a rotational
rusher even?
Probably not.
But if you can really develop him and marinate him in your system,
this could be the best edge rusher in the draft in a couple of years
because he is just so athletic and so talented.
Quickly going through some of the other guys,
R Mason Thomas, just an animal with his effort and his ferocity on film,
but very small and didn't test very well this offseason either.
Of Oklahoma, Derek Moore, kind of a speed rusher, kind of a guy who is a one-trick pony
where he's going to get on that wide nine,
he's going to try to run through your chest and do what he can there.
I think he's a fine player, but there are some limitations with kind of that one
thing. And Gabe Accus, a guy who's getting a lot of buzz lately, a developed player, a power
rusher runs through your chest very well, I think got better and better as a pass rusher.
Run defense, I don't think he can find the football currently on film. So there are reasons why these
guys are going to be available on day two of the draft. And a lot of it really comes down to just
pick your flavor. You know, if you want to just swing for the fences and Malachi Lawrence is there,
swing for those fences. Go get them. If you want a guy with a very good power profile that, you
You know, if you can just get him to find the football, maybe you simplify his role a little bit.
Gabe Accus makes a ton of sense for the Colts.
If you want just a superstar run defender that just does not have the traits to be a great pass rusher,
but you know you're going to get a really good base down end.
Zion Young out of Missouri makes a ton of sense.
If you want a guy who played inside linebacker his entire career and moved to edge this past season
and showed some really good traits despite having no clue how to rush the passer yet from that,
I think J. Sean Barham out of Michigan is another really good option there.
So there are a ton of different options the Colts could go with here on day two of the draft,
but so much of it just comes down to pick your flavor.
And I'm going to quickly say this because I know I've been taking the floor for a little bit here.
But when I look at the makeup of the Colts Edge Rush Room right now,
I think they need like a starting defensive end.
They need like a base starting defensive end.
In a draft class, that does not have many good run defenders.
So I'm not saying I want to pigeonhole myself and say, like, you've got to get Zal and Young, you've got to get J. Sean Barron because those guys can defend the run.
But also, I don't really know who starts at defensive end if you draft a Malachi Lawrence.
I don't know if he could start day one with his run defensive issues right now.
Gabe Accus, I think projects well to be a good run defender, but it wasn't there in college.
Are you putting it all on Jalen to him a low while then as you're starting defensive end?
So there are a lot of things the Colts have to consider,
but part of me is looking for a guy that I can play on early downs
because run defense is so vital nowadays in the NFL.
It's kind of being back to when Allen played football back in the 90s
where it's like running football is in vogue again.
It's important.
Teams are coming out here with six offensive linemen, 13 personnel,
and they want to run the football.
You need to be able to defend the run.
Like you want to swing for that high upside pass rusher,
but you have to defend the run nowadays.
and you can't have liabilities at defensive ends.
So in a draft class where, like, yeah,
R Mason Thomas was a good run defender in college,
but short arms, smaller frame, didn't test super well.
It's kind of concerning to see how that translates.
And some of these other guys as well,
like I mentioned with Ocas and Moore and all of them,
it's hard to find that run defending defensive end.
So maybe you go that direction.
Keltrick Falk, if he's there in round two.
He's like a defensive tackle slash defensive end,
but huge, huge, very good run defender.
So he would help in that regard if he's there.
But a lot of options.
Pick your flavor.
I guess I'll throw it to Jake,
and he can talk about some of the flavors he likes in this class.
Yeah, I think Keldrick Falk, among, like, the first round edges,
is a guy that gets lost in the shuffle a lot because there's so much debate between
Bailey and Reese and, you know, where does Rubin Bain go?
And then you have, like, Cassius Howl and Keldrick Falk are the guys that just don't get
very talked about very much.
The good news for the Colts needing an edge rusher, even though,
Like Zach pointed out, there's really no one that fits perfectly and fits the urgency of the position.
I think there's going to be more available this year than last year.
Last year, by the time the Colts picked, there were very few edge rushers taken.
You know, Donovan Ezraku was a guy who got some first round buzz and was taken right before them.
They, of course, then took Jalen to him a low-out, who's the second edge.
And then after that, it was like Nick Scorton and Ola-Ola-Dajjo to Tennessee.
So it wasn't a very poppy edge group in the second round.
year, much different this year and a big variety of guys.
I do think there's the possibility for some of these guys who are widely considered
to be first rounders to be available in the second round.
T.J. Parker is a guy that's been thrown out there a lot as a potential second rounder who does
make sense. Good power profile has been productive but took a dip in productivity like
everybody at Clemson did last year. He, I think, is probably your best case scenario.
there's a couple widely regarded first round guys though
Cassius Howell who didn't test elite
and he's got very very short arms
like historically short if I'm not mistaken Zach
I see an avenue for him to go into the second round
don't know how well he fits the Colts
but he's someone who is pretty highly regarded
and then Aki Mesidor that's someone who he's 25
he a couple years ago tore ligaments in both his feet
And so even if you pick up the fifth round option on him, he's going to be 30 years old at that time.
So there's very, he's a very, very good player, as you would hope, being in college that long.
But, you know, is anyone going to be knocking the door down to make sure they get this guy top 25, top 30?
Like, he could be there.
And then there's the guys we all know about Zion Young, Malachi Lawrence, Gabe Accus, R. Mason Thomas, and then Derek Moore as well.
So the good thing is they have options.
I think most realistically your high-end, T.J. Parker's there, but you might wind up going and getting yourself a Zion young, even though he, I think his stock has very much been like top 40 lately.
Malachi Lawrence has been going up as well. I think Gabe Accus is probably the one who is most likely to be there at 47, even if you trade down a few spots, you might be able to get Gabe Accus.
So it's almost foolproof.
You can get somebody.
I just don't know that somebody is going with that perfectly.
Right.
Well, you know, there are people that watch football
and there are people that know football.
And I guess for any everydayer that is listening,
you guys are spoiled by the end.
insight provided by both Zach and Jake, because until I did a teeny bit of research,
I had no idea who these guys were.
It takes a lot for us to get on your level of knowledge, though, Alan, you play.
Well, yeah, playing gives me, you know, I guess, a different sort of insight.
sight, but how you guys break it down, how they fit arm length. And here's how I really know
that you know what you're talking about because of the way you pronounce it, Yacchus.
Yeah, because if you look at it and you don't know, you'll say Jekas.
Or worse. I've heard worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So just supremely impressed by the
amount of work you put into to this to know guys that, you know, in most cases, aren't going to be
here. So it's an awful. I remember when I would broadcast how I had to learn so much about
that team. And then after the game was over, how to hell do I flush all this side of my brain?
I can't get this out of my brain. You know, I don't need to know anymore about this deep.
defensive end that used to wrestle bulls in the offseason, but I couldn't get it out of my brain.
And I didn't get a chance to say it on the broadcast because the sucker didn't make a sack.
But anyway.
Alan, I guess I want to ask you, I guess, in this regard where when it comes to the draft,
you know, you don't get into the weeds as much as like Jake and I do.
But how do you view it when you have guys like, you know, like Malachi Lawrence, for instance?
Yeah.
like a very athletic, somewhat productive player at a smaller school,
and you're comparing them to like a guy who is productive at a bigger school,
but we always talk traits, traits, traits, long arms, great.
Like, how do you view it as someone who not only played in the league,
but also has been broadcasting for a long time,
like the projection versus like what a guy probably already is right now?
Well, you look for a certain skills.
And I mean, level of competition does matter.
But I think back to when I was playing a guy named Charles Haley, who came out of the school like James Madison, you know, he was a pretty skinny kid then.
But somebody had an eye on him and knew that, you know, whatever he possessed was something that was going to work on the next level.
So you do look at certain traits.
And then I think that's where some of the metrics come into play, you know, 40 speed.
you know, shuttle speed, watching them go through different agility drills, you know,
to be able to see if they have the right type of movements.
Are they coachable?
You know, so a lot of times I would favor someone who has played at a larger school with,
who's played against better competition.
But sometimes, you know, folks just jump off of the tape.
you know, and when they jump off the tape like that, it's usually because in one year they've developed so much that, you know, when they were recruited, they were a mediocre player and somehow the light bulb came on and all of a sudden, boom, now they're ready for the pros.
So it's hard, but looking at the names and talking about the names that you guys had mentioned, the one guy I thought would be a good,
maybe the top second round or available in the second round was that a key messador but for some
reason i believe that he's going to go into first i think there's i think he's got more value
because he was on a team that went to a national championship and these gms and scouts
you know they put a lot of weight into teams that that go all the way because now you're not
just talking about a team that played 11 games you're talking about a team that's
that played what, 16 games and were productive in all 16 games.
And, you know, if it wasn't for those two defensive ends for the University of Miami,
they wouldn't have made it to the national championship.
You know, so to me, they have more value.
And I hear what you're saying, Jake, about dudes already 25, you know.
So by the time he gets to that fifth year, he'll be 30, you know.
but, you know, he's playing like a grown man now, which may give him even more value.
He didn't have to, you know, go from, you know, being a kid to being a grown man.
He's already a grown man.
So that would be who, if he was available, I think that's the guy.
If they were going after Edge, Akim Messidor, but he's the one that stands out to most of me.
But I don't think he's going to be in the second round.
Yeah, 25 years old, highly productive in his last two years, had a bunch of injuries early in his career of college.
Very, very, very similar profile to Laotu, Latu, who went in the middle of the first round back in his draft year.
Different draft classes, obviously, because in this one, there's multiple, like, A1, you know, edge rushers, but I still think Messador will probably go in round one, just with his production profile the last two years.
You guys remember watching scary movies as a kid and doing the fingers,
over your eyes thing where you just kind of look like that.
You may want to do that when we go over Chris Bowerd's edge history in the drafts.
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We'll get back into the current draft situation
a little bit later on in the show
because we kind of ran against time there
and I have some other things that we all want to kind of discuss
about the Colts and their day two picks.
But let's go back and look, you know,
like I mentioned, I don't think it's any secret.
Chris Bowerd has had some hits in the draft.
Chris Bauer has had some misses in the draft.
The hits largely have not come at edge.
The misses largely have come at edge.
and it's not been the best track record in the world.
And I think what is so, you know, when you really sort of go through it, Zach,
and we've talked about this in previous episodes,
but just to kind of like, I actually just typed it out, you know,
with the round and then the overall pick to see the amount of draft capital
that they put in that position.
I mean, lay out to a lot to a couple of years ago as their first pick
and the first defensive player off the board.
That goes without saying, but another one on quitty pay.
And then most of these other guys were top 50 level guys.
Camoco Torei 22nd overall.
Ben Banagou, 49th.
Dio was 54th.
J2amala was 45th.
You know, you go on and on and on through this list.
And, you know, for all that they've given what they've gotten,
certainly has not been what they have hoped for.
Yeah.
And, you know, I'm not trying to defend Chris Ballard by any means here.
And I know it's going to come off that way for everyone who's just tired of
of Chris Bowdo at this point.
But I think the process has been mostly correct, right?
Like you want to keep spending at that position.
It's a premium position.
If you're going to spend premium assets in the draft,
you want to keep spending them at edge rusher.
Edge rusher is a position that you want to keep adding to.
So I think the process of wanting to add edge rushers makes sense.
And I also don't think he's been pigeonholed into taking like the same guy over and over again,
right?
Like we see that with some GMs, right, where they have that type and,
And heck, I've made a lot of my living in this industry as being a guy who has identified Chris Ballard's types.
But when it comes to edge rusher, he has changed quite a bit.
I mean, you look at Ben Banagou and Kamoko Turi, right?
We're not like kind of productive but not super productive players in college who were hyper athletic, bendy speed rushers to the outside.
Those just completely whiffed, right?
So then he goes for the quidipa, who was an ultimate project as well.
like the traits were just otherworldly, right, in Quitty Pay.
I mean, he ran like a 6-5-3 cone.
It is absurd what he was doing.
And that was a big projection.
And it just didn't ultimately work out, right?
So then he starts taking more like NFL ready guys, right?
Jalen Tui Malowow, who was a fifth year senior who had played in the college football
playoff, long arms, power profile, looked like he was ready to go from day one.
And Leotu Latu, a 23-year-old rookie pass rusher who had, what, 25 sacks in his final two seasons.
or whatever it was, right, in college.
And it's all kind of just been the same result regardless of what direction he goes.
So it's kind of just the way the draft goes.
It's just unfortunate that a lot of the misses have come at such a premium position.
And I kind of go back, too, to remember what the stigma was on Chris Ballard early in his tenure
from like 2017 to 2020 before Michael Pittman Jr. was selected.
It's like he can't draft wide receivers.
Every wide receiver he drafts, like whether it's a late round guy, whether it's an early
around someone like Paris Campbell, he keeps missing at wide receiver.
And then he went on that stretch of getting Michael Pittman Jr., getting Josh Downs,
getting Alec Pearson here.
And now it's like, oh, he's pretty good at drafting wide receiver now.
So it's just kind of how the draft runs.
You run hot and cold.
A lot of it is a guessing game at the end of the day.
You do as much work as you possibly can, but you never know what a guy's going to look like at
25.
You can try to project it all out and hope that a guy at 24, 25 is a star.
and ready to go with your franchise, but you never know.
It's just unfortunate the way it's worked out at edge rusher.
And I would be so much more critical, I think,
if it were just the same type of guy that he drafted over and over again.
If he kept drafting the Ben Banagoo profile over and over again,
if he kept drafting Quitty Pay profile of unproductive guys,
but he keeps trying different ways.
I mean, it's so funny too.
And Jake and I joke about this a lot,
and I'll throw it to Jake after I say this.
But Jared Verse was very much his type of pass rusher,
going into that Laotu Latu draft, right?
Everything from the explosive numbers to the arm length to,
I think he was not super young,
but he was a little bit younger than Laotou Latu as well,
while also being like a senior bowl guy.
So like everything fit what Chris Ballard had looked for in the past.
But he decided to go with the hyperproductive player in Laotu Latsu,
was something he had really never done.
And that was the one time it went the other way, right?
Where the hyperproductive guy is probably not as good as the other one.
I know last year it got a little bit closer between the two, but it's just the nature of the game.
It's an unlucky business sometimes.
And because we have so much data on Chris Ballard as the Colts GM, we keep just adding more tallies to this.
But I think the process has been good.
I like that he keeps throwing assets at it.
It's just they keep missing.
And that's, you know, at the end of the day, it's a results-based business.
And the more misses you have lead to you getting fired.
And while you could say that you have a good process,
with it by keep going after the premium position,
you have to eventually get the results
or you're not going to, I mean, I guess
he's stayed in his job for a long time, but most
GMs are not going to stay in their job for
a long time if you keep not getting
the results with it.
Yeah, I've got someone on Twitter right now
who keeps saying that it
would be a bad idea to draft an edge
just because he doesn't think Chris Ballard could do it.
And it's like, see, you can't do that.
Like, you just, you have to keep trying.
Like, you can't solve all your problems.
It's like quarterback, right?
Just on the side of the ball.
Yeah.
You just keep doing it.
Imagine if they had that mindset with Alec Pierce, right?
We don't draft receiver because outside of Michael Pittman Jr.
We have not been able to draft receivers correctly.
And you don't draft Alec Pierce, who now is making, yeah, making a ton of money for you.
So, yeah, you can't have that mindset.
He's had the right mindset.
He hasn't been scared of taking edge rushers.
It's just, I mean, I think Latu can be fine, but like he's missing a lot.
Yeah, I like, I like Lato.
I think he's productive.
He's just not where everyone wants him to be.
but like Chris has tried just about everything.
Like you look at taking quidipay and Dio back to back.
Now granted,
Dio was coming off in Achilles,
but he would eventually come back from it.
And, you know,
he did fully come back from that Achilles to the point where it wasn't something
you thought of anymore after a year or so.
Taking those two absolute super freaks back to back,
one of them should have panned out.
The fact that neither of them really became stars,
it's kind of an outlier.
And then Laiatu Latsu,
the first defensive player on the board in that draft,
super productive with a deep pass rush bag, mind you.
It's not like he was a raw pass rush.
His tape was the best pass rushing tape out there.
And then, you know, I look at Terrell Basham
was a modest move in the third round.
Should have been a decent third round pick.
I didn't love the Gary Green pick back in that era.
but like the Titus Leo swing was a, you know, that was, that was an upside swing very late in the draft.
And that obviously didn't pan out like most seventh rounders don't.
But the guys tried everything at like all stages of the draft, different like flavors of, it just, you get bad luck.
And something no one ever talks about is probably the fact that this contributes to it.
I've got to imagine defensive line coach is the highest rate of turnover on this.
staff, is it not? Like, have they had a defensive line coach for more than two years in a row?
I don't know that they have. So they get new coaches and they're all the time on the defensive front,
oftentimes coming from the college level. I mean, they have Marion Hobby coming in from the NFL this time,
even though, again, just took a pit stop in college. So we'll see how that works. But I've got to
imagine the rapid change of defensive line coach has got to play a role in this as well.
Yeah, and one thing I want to add real quick before we throw it to Alan is not all of these edge rush or draft picks have been complete airballs, right?
I know that they feel like.
I liked a lot of the picks.
Well, I think it's because, like, they feel like they've all been absolute misses because they never became that star player for the Colts, right?
And I understand it, right?
You want that star player at Edge Rusher.
But, like, Quitty Pay and Dio Dengpo are both making over $20 million a year in the NFL.
Or I think Quitty Pay is making like $18 million a year, whatever it was.
and dio is like just over 20.
Latu will make over like $20 million a year
in a couple of years as well with his projection
that he's going on.
And maybe you can blame that just on free agency,
but like these are NFL players.
And to get that out of the draft in general is pretty good.
These are starting caliber players in the NFL.
It's just none of them have become the edge rush or the Colts need.
And that's where like the miss has come in.
But it's not like they've all been the Ben Banagoo pick, right?
Where these guys are out of the NFL by year five.
So, yeah, like, I know Ballard plays it up probably too much that, like, they got decent production out of pay and in Dio, but I don't think they're dead like all awful.
It's just none of them have been like the answer to the problem.
But isn't that kind of like the underlying Bowerd problem just in general?
Like I think we would all agree the Colts have had good players.
They just haven't had enough great ones.
Yeah.
And Edge Allen is, you know, as you know, just like quarterback just on the other side of the ball.
it's a game-breaking position, you know?
You either have that guy or you don't.
Yeah, that's great that Chris Ballard drafted a great, you know, running back and a left guard and, you know, off-ball linebackers and things like that.
But edge is a position that, you know, you have to, you got to hit big on.
Well, so I will start my answer with a question.
So this, because this will be my first draft, my first Chris Ballard draft.
And you say he's been here 10 years, right?
What year is this for Shane Seichen?
I mean, I'm supposed to know.
Four.
And entering years four.
All right.
And so is this Chris Ballard's second or third head coach, or maybe even fourth?
Third.
He had one year Pagano, then Reich, then Stuyken.
And technically, they almost hire a manual.
Jeff Saturday.
They had 36 hours or maybe not.
even 36 hours of Josh McDaniel.
Right. Yeah, you, you, you might, you might figure out where I'm going with this.
But it just seems odd to me that the GM has the top say over who gets drafted over the head coach.
The GM doesn't do any coaching.
I guess what I'm saying is usually a GM would consult the head man.
And for the football team to figure out because the head coach is going to know what the greatest need for the team is more than the general manager.
I always look at the general manager is handle the contracts, okay, handle the business end.
Let us take care of the football end.
And, you know, one of the reason why you are getting good players, top 50 players, but are you getting the right fit?
are you getting the right player for your scheme?
Are you getting, you know, the player that because of the strategy you use is going to shine?
And the coach knows that better than the GM would.
And so I guess my question is, does Shane Stuyken get in Chris Ballard's ear and say,
I want this dude that this dude is going to make the difference?
And I don't know.
And yes, general managers have great knowledge of the league and understand what players should hit and shouldn't hit.
But they don't coach.
The coach is coach.
So I'm just of the opinion that why didn't Shane Stuyken and Azir saying, this is the player I want?
Yeah, I will say from my experience of doing the build of Ballards, where I look at all of Chris Ballard's draft history and see the common.
I will say we've seen drastic changes depending on who the DC is and who that
I don't know.
Yeah.
No,
no,
you're good.
Yeah.
No,
because some GMs do stick where it's like guys had to hit these certain
thresholds,
but we've seen it at a lot of positions.
And that's why I think like at edge rusher,
it has been a lot of different types of guys, right?
Jalen Tuamolo is as different as it can possibly get from Ben Banagoo or from Kamoko
Turi.
Right.
Right.
They can engulf those players with his length.
his size, right?
Where those guys are built like, you know, they're built like tight ends, essentially.
So, yeah, he has changed.
It just hasn't worked, unfortunately.
And it's, you know, it's kind of just what have the draft just kind of a crapshoot,
right?
Do we know if there's input from the head coach?
Yeah.
I'm sure that they consult and they talk.
Chris is actually pretty flexible and giving to coaches.
Like Loua and Arumo has been given more.
specifically than any assistant coach I can ever recall.
It's insane how much Lou is given.
That I have seen, yes, is he has yielded to the D.C.
You know, does he yield to the head coach?
Yeah, I know there's definitely players Shane Likes in the draft that he's tried to go for,
but like it takes a little maneuvering or hoping they slide there.
I know under Frank Wright, he used to get Frank Wright guys.
Like, that's where Paris Campbell came from.
from was Frank Wright fell in love with Paris Campbell's workout at Lucas Oil Stadium during the combine.
So Chris is willing to give coaches the guys they really want to stand on the table for, you know.
Okay.
Reggie Wayne has gotten a couple of his own guys like Josh Downs and Ad.
Mitchellon or Reggie Wayne guys.
So I think Ballard is pretty good with that.
Okay.
Didn't somebody do that for Kenny Moore, Jake?
Didn't somebody like go to bad because Boward was like, I'm not going to bring in.
I know we're talking about like a UDFA signy, right?
But like,
Well,
he was,
he was picked up on waivers as a rookie,
uh,
Kenny was.
And he was like real apprehensive about it,
but I've someone convinced him otherwise.
Wasn't it a Jamie Moore?
That was one of Jamie Moore's.
It might have,
yeah,
because Jamie Moore was southeast at the time and Kenny came from
Val Dostas.
So it was probably Jamie Moore going to bat.
Yeah,
that was one of Jamie Moore's big,
uh,
big hits before he became,
uh,
the bigger name that he is in the organization,
I believe.
For sure.
gotcha so that's good that you know it is the sign people are going to get mad because when
they listen to this are going to be like there's the locked on squad show you know cap it for ballard
but it is the good sign you know Zach you mentioned process to have these open dialogues
and conversations because clearly there have been general managers in the past that have been
my way or the highway right a lot of a lot of the way you can summarize chris ballad i think is
the process has mostly always been right it's just the results haven't been there and eventually
you do have to judge off of results, but I never really think the process has been awful with him.
It's just the results have not been there. And that's just part of the game.
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So I saw this earlier today.
And I understand this approach because when you don't have a first round pick,
I think you are thinking about this.
But I was reading a, guys, forgive me, because I did read the Indie draft guide and all that.
But I read a lot of other stuff too.
and I saw a national person write about the cult's draft class,
well, this is a chance for them to continue to build out their depth.
And I'm just thinking myself, well, God, we just went through free agency,
which was a chance for them to build out their depth, right?
And now, okay, great, we've got a draft class for building out our depth.
And now, you know, you're kind of in a position where, yes, depth is good,
but you need guys in front of your depth pieces at a couple of these positions.
And, Zach, we kind of ran out of time in segment number one,
but I wanted to sort of shift it back to that in a way
because we've focused a lot of our episode here on edge.
As you mentioned, they need a guy that can come in
and step in and compliment La Tzu Latu right away.
I'm not even talking about, oh, you know,
they need a 12-sac guy at that position.
Nothing like that, just somebody that can start.
Because I think we all agree that to him all,
I was likely not that guy,
unless he makes a gigantic leap in Westfield to be that player in 2026.
And do you have to approach the draft class
if you're Chris Bauer and company that way
where instead of maybe leaning towards
and you mentioned he had he's kind of moved all over the board,
but instead of leaning towards like the Tracey,
projecting out OA's prospect guy with a day two pick,
maybe somebody that has perhaps a lower ceiling,
but you're more confident can come in
and play meaningful snaps next year because that's what the Colts need?
To a degree.
I think it's a great question.
and it's a great conversation to be had in the room for the Colts because couldn't you say
they did that last year with Jalen to him a low-ow-ow, right, in round two?
And you barely got any snaps out of him because he wasn't ready to play.
Because here's the thing with the draft, whether it's high ceiling, low ceiling, high floor,
low floor, whatever it is, they're all projections.
Every single player.
The first overall pick is a projection.
The 256 overall pick is a projection.
So I understand it to a degree where it's like, hey, this guy can give me.
snaps day one.
I think there's a high floor.
We use high floor a lot.
I said it a lot in the draft guide.
Jake said it a lot in the draft guide, right?
High floor, high ceiling, low ceiling, all that.
But all these guys are projections.
There's always a place you want them to go because currently the current status of what they are,
especially after they're getting done doing all of their 40 workouts and their their vertical jump workouts.
These guys aren't even in football shape right now.
They're in workout shape currently.
So they all have this like molding to be to get into the player that you want them
to be. So yeah, there are times where it's like, yeah, you want to just get a guy who's ready to go from
right now, but sometimes it can bite you in the butt like it did to a degree with Jalen to him a low
out last year, right, where he was this high floor, low ceiling guy. And I didn't even see much
of a floor last year because he barely played, right? So I think at the end of the day,
it's all about the comfort level you feel with your draft pick and where the guy can be
because it's so hard to thread that line, right?
where it's like drafting for now over the future because you see it.
We see it with the Colts right now, right?
One bad draft class.
One draft class where it doesn't pan out turns into we have too many holes we can't
plug in with this draft a couple years later.
Because you constantly need that next man up to be thriving for you in an organization.
You need to have this steady influx of young talent on cheap contracts to be able to keep a fully
fledged roster, right?
And what we're seeing right now with the Colts is, I mean,
again, like a second round pick is probably the only guy you can expect a day one starter out of at best.
And they have like three starting needs, right, with wide receiver, defense vending linebacker.
So it's hard to feasibly say we're going to get starters at each of those positions in a draft where your first pick is in round two.
And then you're putting a lot on the plate of a third rounder, putting a lot on the plate of a fourth or a fifth rounder as well.
So I don't know what the right answer is with this with the Colts.
I have gone back and forth, Derek,
where Malachi Lawrence, I think, is a great example of this,
where if you think he's got the highest potential in the class
and he's there at 47, you probably got to take him.
But, like, does he fit what you need right now in 2026?
Probably not.
So how do you weigh that out?
Do you just still swing for the fences?
Or do you get a more NFL ready guy for this season that you need to win games in?
I think it's a debate they're going to be having for the next couple of weeks.
here and I don't know. I think I'd be fine with either answer. It's just we're going to see what
that answer is here at the end of April. Yeah, I think the results a little backwards here because
again, you want to ensure you have starters through free agency because those are established
veterans who you know who they are, which allows you to draft guys, even in those same spots,
but it gives them the time and patience to grow and develop and not have to be thrown into
these starting roles. And their three biggest holes,
right now are starters and they're difficult even for first rounders to come in and start at.
That's edge, base edge, Mike linebacker, and outside wide receiver.
For them to get a starter out of any of those is going to be pretty unlikely.
They're going to be probably committee on all of them.
Maybe they can get a starting mic if you get like a Jacob Rodriguez or someone or
I don't know if they really are comfortable with moving Akeem Davis Gather to Mike.
And then if you get, I don't know, Kyle Lewis or if you think Jake Golda is more of a will or something,
like there's stuff they can do at linebacker to make it work,
but you're probably not getting a great starting edge anywhere in the draft right now as a rookie.
And then you're almost certainly not getting one at receiver.
So it's the free agency isn't done.
Like they probably will go do a couple things and free agency notable moves after.
the draft depending on what they get but you would love to enter the draft with a little more confidence
than you have right now but as far as depth in general though like other than those spots that we
mentioned you are missing a backup center i mean tanner borderlini has missed time with concussions
each of the last two years uh you need a swing tackle corner is pretty loaded until guys start
dropping like flies if that happens again like last year uh and you would probably like safety be to be a
tad more competitive.
And if you could get a genuine backup to Grover Stewart, that would be great.
Then he has swing offensive tackle too, Jake.
They have a lot of knees.
I did say that.
Okay.
You probably need someone to push DJ Giddens.
Yeah.
Like, you got a lot of stuff to do.
Hey, they're going to trade back in round two.
We already know that.
Derek and Jake, we know that from experience.
They will.
Chris Ballard has averaged almost nine draft picks per draft class.
He's sitting at seven right now.
They're going to trade back at 47.
It's not enough.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I have enough picks.
Well, I'm going to speak generally.
Maybe it won't be so specific to the cults,
but generally speaking, depth in the NFL is a fallacy, all right?
Because you got 53 spots on the team.
So that means you're going to allocate so many people to so many positions.
Depth is one of those things you have in college.
I remember covering teams that had seven runnybacks and they put every single one of them in the game.
You know, you're not going to have that in NFL.
So what you need are players in the NFL.
And I think, Jake, you hit it right on the head.
You're looking for starters.
You know, anybody you bring in, depth is just one of those things that, you know, you're just my second starter.
You're not this backup that, you know, I can groom and grow.
No, you come into the NFL, you've got to be ready to play now,
especially with a, what, career expectancy of three and a half years.
You got to come in ready to play.
So from a coaching standpoint, you're looking for players, for starters.
You know, so building depth in the NFL can't do it.
because you don't have enough spots on the roster to, you know, try to accumulate debt.
You just got to have people that you can throw it there and get the job done.
Yeah, it's just kind of one of those things like, you know, if I buy a house and I'm renovating it, like I need a kitchen before I need a front porch, right?
It's nice.
I need the front porch, right?
I want to have the front porch, but I need the kitchen.
I got to cook in there, like my meals and things.
like that. And it just feels like right now the Colts roster in certain spots, like, it's great that
you have these, these ancillary things and you have these people behind them that are good backup
level players, but you need starter caliber players at a couple of these positions.
I thought of an analogy. So you just jogged my memory. I thought of an analogy this morning.
It's like you're setting up a town. And like you got these boring positions that you got,
like you have to have infrastructure, like roads and utilities and all that stuff. You can't be
just like splurging on like adding a bunch of restaurants and like cell phone stores and stuff like that
that's amenities that's like added stuff you can't get to that stuff without having strong
infrastructure in a place and sometimes i think that is what is missing to be fair though the
infrastructure is built with hitting on your draft classes and yes it is and they're still feeling
the ramifications of that bad 2023 draft that i mean that's yeah that was a 12 man draft that
bombed. Yeah. And I will say that no team has depth. Teams figure out how they're going to win.
Are we going to win on offense where we have to outscore other teams or are we going to build up a badass defense and just stop everybody and the offense will eventually score?
Well, if you live in Indianapolis, infrastructure is a good analogy because we all know what bad infrastructure looks like here.
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And when I saw this earlier today, I was just kind of going through, you know, NFL news.
And it's a little bit quiet right now, right?
Because everybody's prepping for the draft.
So it's all projection stuff and things like that.
But I'm going through some mock drafts and things like that.
And I've started to see, I mean, Jeremiah, I love forever has been considered a lock first round pick.
But now he's getting like locked into the top 10 and potentially like even the top five.
And apparently, you know, this is relevant to our audience because they share the AFC South.
And it's the one team in the division that the Colts still consistently beat.
I'm sorry, no offense, Alan.
But this is two ties to you.
Your Notre Dame ties and then your Titans ties because I'm seeing a lot of buzz about Jeremiah,
I love going number four to Tennessee.
Yes, I'm seeing that too. And that's when being good ends up being bad for you a lot of times when you're a top player.
Because you end up having to go to a spot where, you know, it would be a shame.
Yes, I'm excited for Jeremiah, I love to go as high as possible.
But it looks like he's going to go to a team where they're going to be totally reliant on him.
and he's going to get beat up and out of the league in three years,
where his counterpart, you know, Judarian Price,
is probably going to get picked up by the Seahawks,
come in as a complimentary piece, play for seven or eight years,
maybe win a couple rings, and we'll say,
well, which one was better, which one had the better career?
You know, and that's why when I started to see some shuffling
with teams picking up running backs here in free agency,
you know, it made me think,
because I was thinking,
oh, don't let Jeremiah Love get to Kansas City.
If he can get to Kansas City, oh, my God,
with my homes in the backfield.
But I think Titans wouldn't be so bad of a place
because you do have an up-and-coming quarterback, you know,
so if you have the quarterback position solidified,
and he can improve a little bit.
They won't be as reliant on the running game.
And I think contemporary NFL now is you got very few teams
who just have one horse that they lean on.
You know, like Philly depends on Sequin.
Baltimore depends on Derek Henry.
But most places now have two running backs that carry the load.
And I think that Jeremy,
my love would be served better if he could go to the places where he could be one of two.
But going to Tennessee right now, I just, I'm not, I don't have a great outlook because I know he would get beat up there.
Yeah.
And, you know, again, I don't want to make too many, I don't, we're not a Titan show, so I don't want to go too long on the Titans here.
But I just, I just think they need to go edge rusher with that pick.
Robert Sala has had hit.
We saw it last year.
You got a coach here.
Right.
Well, Robert Sala was able to get that beat up 49ers team to be an adequate defense last year, right?
Which was a great accomplishment in itself.
But when he has coached his best defenses, like early on his crew with San Fran and with the Jets when he was the head coached there,
Quinnon Williams and all those edge rushers they had, Jermaine Johnson and Will McDonald,
that's why they were such a good defense, right?
Because they're a pretty static defense.
And if you're going to be static, you need to win with your four-man rush.
We go back to his time with Sanfran, obviously with Nick Posa,
and I think he coached Buckner there for a little bit as well,
and Eric Armstead, and Dee Ford was on his last legs there.
Like, you had to get home with four, right?
And right now when you look at Tennessee's front,
they have Jeffrey Simmons, they have John Franklin Myers,
pretty good interior.
I mean, Simmons is incredible, but Franklin Myers is pretty good as well.
They don't really have a ton at the edge.
And if you can get a Ruben Bain in there, and we've already talked about it so much on this show,
so it kind of lumps into the theme of the show, it's hard to find edge rusher outside the top
10 in the draft.
Look at most of the top edge rushers in the league.
You're getting them very early in the draft, whereas a lot of the best running backs,
I mean, you have Sequin, you have Bejohn, and even Gibbs, who are early picks.
But, I mean, Jonathan Taylor was a mid-second round pick.
You can get above-average running back play outside of round one.
It's hard to get above edge rusher play outside of round one.
So when you have a premium pick like that, you have your quarterback,
if your defensive coach who has the static style of defense that's relying on a four-man rush,
get an edge rusher in there.
Like, I think love would be awesome with Cam Ward,
and I think they would find some good things with it.
But like, get an edge rusher.
I think it makes so much more sense.
It wouldn't be sustainable.
And to your point, when you talk about edge rushers,
I remember when the Texans first came into existence.
And at the time, everybody in Houston thought that they were going to pick Vince Young.
You know, he's from Houston.
He went to the University of Texas, won a national championship.
Who did the Texans pick with their first pick?
Mario, yeah.
Wasn't the conversation back there, Reggie Bush versus Mario?
Mario.
Yeah, it was Reggie Bush versus Vince Young.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, Reggie Bush versus Vince Young.
and they take a defensive end.
They're all the best of those three players.
Well, no, Reggie resourge late in his career,
but on their rookie contract.
Yeah, I think Mario Williams is still the best career of those guys, right?
Yeah, probably.
Yeah.
We're not talking enough about Matt Linerk, guys.
We usually do.
It is interesting, Jake.
We're in a situation here where the Colts don't have a first round pick
because they traded it in a big deal,
sauce gardener, right?
Jags don't have theirs because they traded it to get up.
to Travis Hunter. So you've got Titans 4 and then you've got Houston way in the back in the
pack in 28th. So if you, you know, I always have my eye on what the other teams in the division
are doing. But I do think that it's an interesting talking point to see, you know, what those
teams decide to do and what's going on with those squads. Yeah. And I will say this about Houston.
I'm not saying that their offseason work at offensive line is going to pay out because they've
gone for a lot of veteran guys on the offensive line. But I do like that they're going into the
draft without saying that we have to draft offensive line with our first two picks, right?
They could still draft an offensive lineman, right?
Because even with signing Braden Smith and bringing back Trent Brown and they got multiple
other veterans and I think Wyatt Teller they signed as well, right?
So all these guys on their last legs, they could still draft the best tackle available
at 28.
But it does give them some freedom where, as Alan says, right, they're sitting there with
the Neil Hunter.
They're sitting there with Will Anderson.
Hunter doesn't have much many years left.
What if they went like Messador at 28 as well,
just to add more fuel to that fire, right?
Now they're not pigeonholed.
And I think like this is why the Texans have got this leg up on the Colts in recent years.
Where Chris Bowitt, I think, again,
most of his process has been fine as a GM,
but missing on draft picks and going into the draft with holes,
we don't see the Texans really ever do that.
Like the Texans hit on every draft pick they ever have the last like four years,
Every single pick turns into gold, and they don't go into the draft with holes, even if it is guys who are probably washed up and guys who maybe won't be like solutions for them.
But they at least go into the draft with like something there that they feel decent about.
The Colts were going into the draft with Jalen Carlyse starting Mike Linebacker right now.
And we don't even know if Jalen Carlis can stay healthy at this point.
Well, I think the Texas, I think part of the success is they're waiting to find that dude who smokes weed through a gas mask.
Yeah, that worked out for them, huh?
That worked out like that.
Well, I remember, they didn't even draft him, though.
They got him after Miami.
Right.
But yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's funny how that, yeah, that ended up happening for them.
But, you know, when we talk about just kind of going into this time and, you know,
we're two weeks away from draft night and smoke screens and all the talk that ends up happening
and, you know, shows like this one, I mean, we're all kind of in the same boat, right?
we're looking for content, so we're reacting to things.
But, you know, just kind of the general disclaimer.
Am I right in saying this, Zach and Jake, like, be very careful what you see, what you hear,
really, especially on Facebook, but that's true 24-7, 365, not just around the NFL draft,
but because, you know, as we creep closer and closer to that, I think people just sort of get bored.
And I swear that this stuff, some of this stuff just kind of comes out of nowhere.
Yeah.
And I would also say people who pay.
attention to the Colts and like we we have a strong understanding of the Chris Ballard Colts.
If something seems unlikely or just untrue about the Colts or like would that really leak
out of the Colts? It probably is false. There are a lot of guys out there who just don't have good
sources, national guys who don't have good sources inside that building and they come up wrong
a lot and they make very strong takes and predictions about
the Colts right before the draft every year, and they're always wrong.
This is not, not to two our own horns here, but like, stay local for your, your news on the
Colts, especially this time of year.
We are the ones who spend all year round studying what Chris Ballard and Shane Stuyken and
Lou Anerumo like.
We know that Chris Ballard would rather shoot one of his scouts in the head than let one
of them leak information to anybody.
That's just how it is.
Like if four national guys come out and say something about the Colts before the draft, it's probably a bunch of crap.
Yeah, I will say, I think we all kind of got surprised by the Laotu-Latu selection, right?
Because it was very anti what Ballard had gone in the past.
But I think of the last three drafts locally, right, in the indie media market.
So not just us.
Like, I'm not even trying to just pat ourselves in the back here.
But I think almost everyone in this market had the Tyler Warren selection and Anthony Richardson selections before.
Like who in this market was predicting any other quarterback but Anthony Richardson two year or three years ago.
Some people were trying to say let us.
Right.
Not really in this market though.
We have Stephen Holder on every year and it was a clean sweep.
You, me and him all predicted Anthony Richardson like the day before the draft.
And we had been talking Anthony Richardson for a while.
Yeah.
And then last year, I mean, not even just Colts media guys.
That was a layup.
Colts fans were saying it since September of last year.
Tyler Warren was going to be a cold.
And even as we got, you know, because the rumors go flying in draft season, right?
You don't, they could go this way, they could go that way.
Did anyone ever break from, from Tyler Warren throughout the whole draft season?
Jake and I were trying to find content to not talk about Tyler Warren every day because we do it was going to.
The question was more so would he go before the Colts pick, right?
Because if he was there, we all knew he was going to be the pick.
We started to talk Colston.
We thought we were going to have to talk a little bit of Colston Loveland because
Warren would go would be the first tied in and that Colston
Loveland would be the Colts tied in but it flip-flops so yeah it was it was always
going to be a tight-in probably Tyler Warren but yeah I mean even even with the
lot to year it was a surprise that it was a lot too but we had mentioned Dallas
Turner making a lot of sense potentially Jared Burst
latu latu was just the one who was least ballardy of the edges and that's the one
that went with and it would have been Dallas Turner if Atlanta didn't take Michael
Pennix Jr. at number eight and they went with their original guy they were going to take,
which was lot too.
Lot two should have been top 10 to Atlanta.
Right.
Right.
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