Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - COLTS SQUAD SHOW: O-Line OPTIONS | With Depth Concerns, We Look At Some O-Line Prospects for Colts

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

A lot of the focus this Colts' draft season has been on EDGE and wide receiver, but they'll have to address some depth issues, too. On the latest Squad Show, the guys take a look at offensive line depth possibilities in the later rounds, and target other areas on the roster that need some non-starter help. Plus, exploring the possibility of a future NFL Draft coming to Indy and the potential for replacement referees this season. Find and follow Locked On Colts on your favorite podcast platforms:  🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/podcasts/locked-on-colts/  📺YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLdpxJspi1hMh5HL7ExpWOQ  Give the squad a follow on X/Twitter @Schultz975, @JakeArthurNFL, @ZachHicks2, @allenpinkett, @LockedOnColts, and @ColtsOn_SI, as well on TikTok and Instagram!  Locked On NFL League-Wide: Every Team, Fantasy, Draft & More  🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/podcasts/lockedoncolts  The 2026 Indy Draft Guide is here!  150+ write-ups on the 2026 NFL Draft class, plus how each player fits the Colts, and an in-depth dive into Chris Ballard's draft history and usage of draft picks. Order now: https://draftguide.gumroad.com/l/indy26 EVERYDAYER CLUB  If you never miss an episode, it’s time to make it official. Join the Locked On Everydayer Club and get ad-free audio, access to our members-only Discord, and more — all built for our most loyal fans. Get one month free of the Everydayer Club with code MARCH. Click here to learn more and join your team’s community: https://lockedonpodcasts.com/everydayerclub Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! TurboTax This year you’re getting a major upgrade — Intuit TurboTax now has in-person locations nationwide. Visit http://TurboTax.com/local to book your appointment today. FanDuel Today's episode is brought to you by FanDuel.Right now new customers can bet just five dollars and get two-hundred and fifty dollars in bonus bets if your first bet wins. Visit https://FANDUEL.COMto get started — Play Your Game. Indeed Listeners of this show get a $75 Sponsored Job Credit to help give your job the premium placement it deserves at http://Indeed.com/podcast. Rugiet Get 15% off your treatment → https://rugiet.com/lockedonnhl Rugiet. Performance medicine for men. Rocket MoneyLet Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. Join athttp://RocketMoney.com/LOCKEDON FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Colts Squad Show. I'm your host, Derek Shultz. And when it came to me playing sports as a kid, I was always a UDFA. And I'm Zach Hicks. I'm excited to talk about the best position group in football, offensive line. Poor Derek. I'm Jake Arthur, and offensive linemen are the backbone of America. I'm Alan. Take it former Oiler. And if the Colts are going to have success this year, it's going to be because of this group we're going to talk about right now. rise up. It's the Colt Squad, everything Indianapolis Colts every week. Covering all the big hits and game-changing plays from the Circle City, the way only the locked on podcast network can. It's time to squad up. The Colt Squad Joe starts now. Welcome into the Colt Squad show. I appreciate that all you guys are on topic while I'm talking about like fifth grade sports at Middle Brooks Elementary School in Connecticut. I'm Derek Schultz, long-time indie sports talker and calmness for

the Indianapolis Business Journal. I'm joined by a nerd name legend and long time NFL running back, who is not last pick on the playground on the mean streets of suburban Virginia and Alan Pinkett, along with the dynamic locked on Colts duo of Jake Arthur and Zach Hicks, your first listen every day. And authors of the indie draft guy, we're going to keep beating you guys over the head with it. Get your copy today if you haven't already. One week from tonight, the stage will be set in Pittsburgh as we get to ready, get ready to welcome in a new NFL draft class. And while the Colts won't be picking that night, at least with not where they sit today, that's not going to prevent us from keeping the draft convoy going on tonight's show.

We've talked edge. We've talked linebacker. We've talked a lot of the positions that center around the Colts day two picks. But what about day three? We're going to talk about a depth need. Offensive line? Really? Really?

That's what we're going to do in segment one of the show. I don't think anybody would categorize it as a major need, not with some big pieces coming back, once again with obviously mainstays like Quentin Nelson and then a couple of younger guys who the Colts really like at Jayla Travis and Bordalini, et cetera. But we'll talk about some day three offensive line prospects, lines, excuse me, rounds four through seven that the Colts could be interested in. And then in segment two, we'll talk about the other depth spots that they need to address. We spent so much time talking about the starter needs for the Colts, but there are depth needs elsewhere as well, not just offensive line across this roster. and we're going to talk about those in segment number two. Could Indy and the Colts host an NFL draft?

They're going to check off Pittsburgh next week. They've already done what? Cleveland, Detroit. They've done a bunch of Green Bay. They've done a bunch of Midwestern cities and locales already. Could Indianapolis be next on that? I've actually had some private conversations about that with some, a few folks who are in the know and have some interesting nuggets when it comes to

Indianapolis potentially being someday an NFL draft host side. And then, oh, no, the replacement reps might be coming back. We'll see, right? We're going to talk about it on the show. It's one of the big league-wide headlines throughout the last couple of days. But getting back into the draft conversation, guys, I know some folks probably see the title card on the YouTube episode or they're going to their podcast platform to listen to Locked on Cold Squads show.

They're thinking, really, you're going to lead off with the offensive line guys, round four and round five. I'm not going to try to get too much in the coach speak here. And I know, Zach, you're a huge homer when it comes to offensive line prospects, but you can never have enough, right? Depth at offensive line, always important because pretty much always, you're going to have issues pop up at those spots. Yeah, no, absolutely.

I think Chris Ballard actually said it really well at his end of the season press conferences. You always need to add on the offensive line because the five guys you go into the season with are rarely ever the five guys you end the season with, especially on the offensive line. injuries pop up, unforeseen circumstances pop up like we saw with Brayden Smith a couple years ago. And it's a league that's just so starved for offensive line play.

And a lot of wins and losses come down to how good your offensive line plays, right? When the Colts offensive line got their teeth kicked in against Pittsburgh, right? It led to their worst loss of the season up to that point, right? They got absolutely beat down in Pittsburgh because their O line couldn't stand up against that Steelers pass rush in that game. So when the offensive line is clicking, the culture, one of the best offenses of football, when they had their down games,

when they had their down moments, you can see that this team was not like a playoff caliber team by any means. So offensive line is the backbone of the NFL, and it's a league that is starred for depth, starred for starters for a lot of teams around the league. Look at poor Justin Herbert and what he's had to deal with in the chargers the last couple years. So it's a very vital position.

And I absolutely love offensive line play. I played offensive line in youth football for, you know, half a decade when I was playing back there, back then. So it's always been one of my favorites. And I love talking the draft offensive line. I think there's a lot of good players in this. And the Colts need a lot of depth up front. They lost Danny Pinter to the Baltimore Ravens.

Raiden Smith went to the Houston Texans, and he was a starter last year. So even though you feel fine about their starting five with Jalen Travis stepping in after he got some work in his rookie season, the Colts do need some depth players. They don't have a swing tackle, which is one of the most important positions in football. They don't really have any interior depth that has played in the NFL outside of

Dalton Tucker. And it hasn't been great results when Dalton Tucker has been in there for the Colts. So I do think that addressing this in the draft is vital. In my opinion, you should be spending two to three draft picks on the offensive line in every single draft. and the culture in that position now. And I think it's a good draft to need it. I think there's some offensive tackles that fit. I think there's some centers, especially on day three that fit. Jager Burton from Kentucky, fantastic athlete with good size.

Logan Jones won the Remington Award last year at Iowa. He's a bit older and he's got shorter arms so he might fall to day three. But he looked so much like Danny Pinter on film. So I think they could find a pretty good center prospect on day three. But looking at some tackle, just throw them out there real quick. Jake and I have talked a lot about Demetri's crown over from F&M. He might be getting some day two buzz now alongside Travis Burke from Memphis, who Jake and I were talking about early, getting some day two buzz. But even outside of those guys, there's a couple of dudes I like on day three, like Drew Shelton from Penn State, Nolan Rucci from Penn State as well. The other offensive tackle out there,

I think both fit the Colts exceptionally well. Then you can get some more experienced guys like Higin Tross from Missouri. I was a first team. all SEC guy last year who's getting some buzz. So a lot of good fits for the Colts in this draft. And again, I just want to reiterate, you should be drafting two to three offensive linemen every single year unless you want to end up like Chargers or the Texans, the last few seasons. Always draft offensive linemen because you never know when they're going to need to get out

there. Yeah, just based on principle, you always need offensive linemen. Just, again, like, if you're translating it specifically to the Colts, I mean, we love Tanner Bordellini. Berenhard Riemann, but both of them have missed starts in each season of their careers because of entries. Borderline two years in a row now concussions. I think Ryman has at least one or two as well, at minimum one.

So that's your left tackle and your center, arguably your two most important pieces on the line. And you lost the two key backups to that as well with Danny Pinter and Jalen Travis being the swing tackle now moving into a different role. But another thing people don't really discuss. a whole lot with swing tackle is they play even when they're when someone's not injured because you use a lot of heavy formations the jumbo tight end or extra offensive lineman whatever you want to refer to it as that guy always plays uh luke tanuta has 35 career reps in the NFL and

Blake Freeland's career PFF grade is like 51 and then he broke his ankle so like there's a lot of there's a lot of what it's there and the most important spot. So like Zach said, at the point that the Colts need offensive linemen in this draft, I think it's pretty good. The guys he mentioned, I like them a lot. Matt Goldman from the, for Michigan State is a nice center candidate as well, I think. There's some good ones out there. Logan Taylor, another interior guy. I know Zach had mentioned Fernando Carmona from Arkansas earlier in the process as well. So I think they're going to wind up with a at least not picks in this. By the time I put out my final mock, I'm going to give them a trade back probably

in the second round and then give them a sixth for trading either of like Anthony Richardson or Kenny Moore. So you wind up with a couple extra picks. That's all the ammo you need to go get more, more offensive linemen. And I think, again, just translating it to the Colts and why it's so important is your quarterback's coming back from an Achilles and you're in the final year of Jonathan Taylor. you're going to run the hell out of the football this year, or you should at least. So offensive line, offensive line, offensive line, and then beyond that, you probably need to grab another running back as well because you, I think, need to richly invest in the run game this year, and that means it has to start up front.

Well, you know, the quarterback gets all the love, you know, because he's the one with the ball in his hands, but, you know, without a doubt, the most important unit, in the field is the offensive line. And you know they are important based on the Christmas gifts that they get from their running backs and their quarterbacks. True. I believe what? The Colts offensive line last year got all got custom golf carts from Jonathan Taylor.

So that's just letting you know that he values them on the line. but not only, you know, does the offensive line a backbone, but a healthy offensive line, an offensive line that can stay intact. In fact, I'm sure you can look at teams that win or have a winning record. Most of their offensive line has stayed intact. I can think of one year where the Chiefs went to the Super Bowl. Well, guess what? their starters played that entire year.

So if you can be lucky enough to have your linemen stay healthy during the year, but that's a big if, then you've got a better chance of winning. And I like the fact that the Colts are in an advantageous position because they have their five starters. So by the time they look at the office of linemen, which should be, you know, rounds four through seven, you can still find good depth that offensive line. But what I hope they do, and I think JQ alluded to it,

is, you know, you've got some that specialize in pass blocking and some that are badasses when it comes to run blocking. I think the emphasis needs to be on run blocking, offensive linemen because you're right with that Achilles tear that Daniel Jones had, they are going to have to probably run a little bit more. But I think I say run blockers more because the passing system that Shane Stuyken has doesn't mean that they have to block that long on the offensive line. I mean, usually the ball is. out. You know, it's three steps, five steps, ball is out. So the defensive line doesn't really

have a chance to get to the quarterback. So if there's going to, you know, be a reliance on one strength over another, yeah, you still want them to be able to pass block. But I wouldn't mind having five Clinton Nelson's on that offensive line, you know, that type of, and I think offensive line is also a mentality. I think, you know, I always liked an offensive lineman who, you know, would breathe heavy on the offensive line, would blow his nose on the field by just holding it like that and just letting the snot come out, you know, didn't wash his clothes all the time. It's the big ugly. Yeah, I mean, I've rarely seen a pretty offensive lineman that is. good.

You know, so, I mean, those of the guys can't give them enough credit. And, you know, I'm not as smart as these two everydayers to know who's in the draft. The only one I know is one that I saw from Notre Dame. So I'm always hoping more Notre Dame players can get to the coast. But I guess it's Emil Wagner I saw was ranked 209. So he would be in that spot where you could get him six, seventh round, you know, if that, if he fits the mold of what they're trying to do on offense. But, yeah, I think the Colts are lucky because I think of like the Patriots last year were in dire need of left tackle. And they drafted the dude out of what I want to say was it Georgian.

Yeah, LSU. Yeah, LSU. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I know it was SEC. But, you know, when you play office of line, you got growing pains you got to go through. You know, and, oh, boy, they went through some growing pains with that rookie left tackle. And so the Colts are in a good position where they just need depth. They don't, they aren't looking for a starter. Well, that's why with offensive line, you always draft them a year or two before you actually need them. Never draft an offensive lineman.

I mean, if you draft them early, sometimes they have to play. But typically, for me, never draft an offensive lineman the year that you need them to start. Because it's a growing process. I mean, look at Jalen Travis last year, right? If he was thrown into the fire in week one, I don't think he looks as well as he does in the final month of last season, when he had almost an entire year to marinate on the bench, learn from Brains, Smith, learn from Tony Sparano, Jr. Work in the weight room, kind of get acclimated to the power he's going to see.

And it helps being 6'8, 340 pounds, obviously. But I don't think he looks the way he does. And we saw Barinhardt Ryman, right, and his rookie season was thrown out there in week seven or week eight. And he was dreadful. He was awful. Like his whole rookie season, I mean, he got better late in his rookie season. But those first couple starts, his rookie year was like, oh, my gosh, we might

need to take another offensive lineman. and Will Fry is the same way, right? I mean, we see it with all these guys, but if you give them time to develop, you get them time to marinate on the bench, always draft an offensive lineman one or two years before you actually need them, because odds are you're going to still play them in your rookie year

because you're going to get injuries, but then you don't have to rely on them to be the answer. They can be the answer after they've properly acclimated down the line. So the Colts have always done really well with this. If anything, Chris Bowd has been excellent at how he's handled offensive line aside from 2022. I think overall he's been really good with how he's handled. it. And I think that the Colts are going to be in a good place once they draft a couple more

offensive linemen here to really develop some more guys and get them ready to go. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, sorry, Derek. I was going to say that that's what's made the Eagles so successful on the line other than Jeff Stoughton, of course, but like they've cranked out that offensive line, but anytime someone goes, they have that next guy ready already. And they'll take a guy early and not play them. But, you know, they sit there and develop them. And like, that's what the Colts have done with Tony Sparano Jr. They've done a really nice job. You know, Gonzalez, Bordolini. I mean, Ryman was before that time. But like, yeah, those guys need to, they've sat there and waited at least like a half season or so or a whole year. And I think that's the way to do it.

Because, again, I think, and you can speak to this later on, but like the big problem with offensive line plays, like there's just a lack of intentional development. You know, everyone needs to go right away. So, like, if you give them that time to cook, then they're actually ready to hit the ground running. They're capable players by the time it is time to play. Yeah, and Jacob Zach didn't mention his name, but clearly who they're alluding to here is 2026 going to be a very big year for Blake Freeland. It'll be his fourth year with Colts,

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and access to a group chat with Jake, with Zach, and other listeners of Locked on Colts. link in the show notes or go straight to locked on podcast.com slash everyday or club for more info there. So guys, we were just focusing on the offensive line. I mentioned swing tackle and interior offensive line depth because some of these guys over the years have gotten bumped up. You know, we've seen it happen with Gonzalez and Bordolini and Jalen Travis. And so needs at swing tackle and just interior offensive line depth in general as Danny Pinter's long Colts tenure is now over.

But a couple of other spots, I think really stay. stand out, Zach. And I'm not talking about, you know, like outside wide receiver and second edge. Like, I'm talking like the depth guys, right? The reserve level players. Um, I think a sneaky one actually is third running back, right? Like, that's not a very big depth chart right now that the Colts have behind Jonathan Taylor. Yeah. I mean, honestly, you could even say second running back, right? Like, sure. Yeah. No, you're not wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Like I, DJ Giddins, I think they want him to emerges at second running back, but there's nothing that really said anything about last year. And here's the thing in the NFL, unless you're a top 100 pick, nothing's guaranteed for you.

So fifth round pick last year doesn't mean anything, right? You haven't earned anything to make your way. You're more likely to get cut than to be in line for a backup running back spot this next season. So I think with running back, it's one of those positions where just bring in a bunch of bodies at all times, right? It doesn't matter if it's a bunch of seventh round picks or a bunch of undrafted free agents, low-end free agents, bring in a ton of guys because you never know who's going to catch fire. You never know who's going to gel with your offense or just gel with your system like Amir Abdul last year, right? They had no intention of him actually getting on the field last year, but he ended up jelling really well with what they wanted to do.

So I think just identify several fits that make sense for what they're looking organizationally, whether it's a big bruising back who can just get those physical yards. That's kind of what I'm looking for in this draft or a pass catcher or another lightning bug type player, whatever it is that they're looking for. Just identify it and just bring in a handful of guys and may the best man win. You know, get in shouldn't get anything handed to him because he hasn't earned that. So I think they're in a good position to just keep adding at that position. And even if it has to be like another Amir Abdullah type signing,

you know, that's the nature of the running back position. position at this point in the NFL. But yeah, I absolutely think running back is a sneaky need in this draft. I wouldn't hate them grabbing one on day three. Honestly, we talk starter at linebacker a lot, but I think depth linebacker, special teams ace linebacker is a massive need for this team right now. I mean, outside of what, outside of Carlis and a GK, who else? And Akeem Davis Gaither, they don't have anyone locked in.

Devin Barrasook. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I have been talking all about Devon. Exactly, right. Making my point for me there, Jay, thank you. I think they could add two to three linebackers in this draft, honestly, or two guys and and then a high priority undrafted free agent to be like a special team's ace or depth player. So I come back to linebacker as like a position that just needs multiple players.

And then I think another one you just got to throw in there is corner again. Corner is kind of like offensive line, right, where just draft them every year. because like offensive line, I know offensive line, you start five guys, but corner, you're starting three guys, right? And on dime situations, you have four guys on the field, right? You're going to have guys play a lot of snaps at corner, and your fifth or six corners, one injury away from being a defensive player for you. So I think it's just one of those positions where if you identify a guy you like at a

pick, even if it's like round three, round four, and you feel good about three guys on your roster, I wouldn't hesitate to make another corner selection because these guys going to get on the field early and often. So those are probably the three big ones I'd identify, like just keep adding linebacker for sure. But corner and running back, I think make a lot of sense too, Derek. Yeah, so I have running back as one of the, you know, sleeper needs. Because, I mean, DJ Giddens, I think he was active for like eight or nine games.

And if you take away the blowouts when he was out there, he really had no role. I think the only game they were intentional about really using him was. there was a game early in the year and then like at the end against the Texans. So like because Giddens doesn't play special teams, he essentially had no role last year. And then you list his Bentley the fourth is your next guy. So you need someone, I mean, at least with decent vision. And they have to be, I think, either a plus player when it comes to violent running and just keeping your feet moving or they have to be very explosive. One of the two.

Like you're not going to find another starting level. running back probably like just find someone who has a special trait like even tyler goods and had a lot of juice able to bounce it to the outside he was a good pass catcher i mean that's a replacement level player but he had utility you know uh so just you could find someone like that because giddens has not earned the right to to not be replaced or be in competition for his spot i had this this one i think is probably just because i studied them in the draft God and I never want to find an excuse to get them, but the backup tight ends. Now, this is a future thing because you have very little room for anybody this year.

But Tyler Warren, of course, but Mo Alley Cox and Drew a Will Trier both signed for one year. You're looking at Will Mallory, who it's just not going to happen here in Indy. And then Carson Tout, who's probably a two, three year project that may never pan out because he's a basketball player. He's a practice squad guy that's next year. He's not making a roster. Yeah, he'll be developed for like two or three years and they'll see what happens with it. But like this time next year, Tyler Warren is the only guy that's really relevant. So you got that.

And this is a decent class. Like you could get a guy who's like a good blocker, like my guy Nate Bo Kurcher from Texas A&M who has some solid hands. Eli Raritan, Allen from Notre Dame, I love him. I think nose tackle is another big one because you invested a lot in three tech this year. but Derek Nottie and Tim Smith are your only guys backing up Grover Stewart right now. Zach and I have done our best to kind of highlight some options in the draft recently because it needs to happen. And then my last one is slot, just because you got Justin, assuming Kenny Moore gets traded. You have Justin Wally going over there.

And the only guys you have behind him are Wyatt Echler and Rob Carter Jr. Rob Carter Jr. is from the CFL. And I'm not sure that Wyatt Echler has ever had to snap in the NFL. So you've got other defensive backs that could play that, but then you'd be pulling him out of position. So I think you at least need a backup slot coming in. I mean, probably at a higher priority than a free agent, but I think those are some of your unspoken depth spots that are kind of important. Well, the position that sticks out to me the most in terms of needing depth is linebacker because you have so few people there. And you not only need them to be run stoppers and, you know, able to defend the past,

but you need them for special teams. You know, linebackers are great for special teams. The more linebackers you have on your kick unit, you know, you actually can send a message to the other team by how fierce you play on special teams. They can really set the tone. And I find that when you have more linebackers, on your special teams units, you're going to do a lot better. So definitely need some depth there. I hear you about running back. I think that DJ Giddens is going to be better this year

by virtue of the fact that it's going to be his second year. So, you know, he won't be, you know, eyes wide open and everything is new anymore. He's been seasoned a little bit. And I expect him to to play better. And right now, I guess he's the tallest running back that they have. I agree with you that running back is a potential position that they can add depth at. But I would like to see more, you've heard me say it before, more diversity amongst the running backs. I mean, is there any way we could get like a 6-2-240 pound back that's got good feet? You know, I think everyone's looking for that.

Yeah, I've even thought, would the Colts ever need a fullback? That's a rarity. I get, you know, Baltimore has fullbacks. You know, I guess you can use the tight end as an H-back, full-back substitute. But a true full-back is a ass kicker, you know, that if you can have them on office and they are good on special teams also. So I don't think this offense allows itself to have a fullback. But if you, it wouldn't hurt to have that big bruiser guy in there every now and then.

That's just my take on it. I think can't have enough cornerbacks, you know, can't have enough defensive linemen. But, I mean, we got 53 slots. So you're looking at what, probably eight offensive linemen on the active roster. You're looking at, you know, maybe nine defensive linemen, but what, three or four linebackers? It's about four running backs, sometimes three, depending on where you got to go. And it'll probably be three since you're going to have four tight ends. So it's good to have that depth, but all.

at the same time that they're drafting for depth, you know the NFL is all about players. It's good to have depth, but you know, you got to try to find guys that you would not have any hesitation starting. And those are hard to find, but that's how you build your team is with players, not drafts. Yeah, just kind of a parting thought on running backs.

You know, this conversation may have felt ridiculous was five, six, seven years ago. But as we've seen in the last couple of years, it feels like everything's sort of doing a 180, right? Where it's, and Alan, you've got to be a big fan of this. Just the resurgence of the need at running back. And, you know, teams going after run stoppers on the other side of the ball too, right? It's kind of a, the NFL and football is just an evolving, changing game.

And some things that are in vogue, don't always stay in vogue. And then, you know, copycat league, right? Somebody find success in this area. Then other teams try to copy that. and then four or five years later, it just feels like it cycles all over again. Yeah, one thing, yeah. Oh, sorry, I just wanted to say real quick,

one thing that we learn, one thing that we learn with history and football and anything, everything cyclical, cyclical, is that I say? There you go. Yeah, like it just. It all goes in a circle. Nothing disappears, right? Nothing disappears.

What was in vogue in the 80s or 90s comes back in a big way. But, yeah, Alan, I'm sure you're a huge fan of all this. Yeah, I am, you know, because you, you, you, I guess, throw the ball to score, you know, the old adage, but you run the ball to win. And I just, I thank the Eagles for bringing back the run, the importance of the run. But what has happened, you know, I guess my time in football is the defense is always trying to catch up with what the offense is doing. Because the offense dictates, you know, what kind of play it's going to be. The only time I've seen the defense dictate what was going to happen was when the Bears had the 46 defense.

And I remember I was playing then. And, you know, for two years, people were trying to throw the football against the 46 defense. Guess what? You can't throw the ball against the 46 defense. If they're rushing everybody, they got you outnumbered. But somewhere along the line, you know, folks figured out, oh, we can run against this thing. Yeah, in fact, we'd be in the backfield. They line up in the 46, check to a run because you can gash them.

But it's not just the formation 46. They had some hellacious players at each position that could carry out that scheme. But I digress because it's always the defense catching up to the offense. And one of the things that's happened is the offensive line, you know, got a little smaller because they needed to be a little more athletic to deal with these real fast defensive ends. You could find a defensive end at 225 pounds. But then the offense decided, let's just run the ball down their throat and got much bigger offensive linemen. And now that 225 pound edge rusher is only playing, you know, in a series maybe two or three times because he

can't withstand the pressure of a 340-pound tackle wearing on his ass. You know, so it's always, it's always changing. And yes, I'm happy to see the running game come in. And I think what has happened in the NFL, I know I've gone long, is teams have figured out you need two running backs. You can have a bell cow, but you can't run that bell cow all game long. you can't give him 40 carries. You need to have, you know, two running backs and hopefully two different styles of running backs

because that puts so much pressure on the defense because they get used to chasing one running back a certain way. Another running back comes in. He may be a little bit fast or maybe a little bit slower, but they have to adjust their speed. And that plays to the advantage of the offense. Chicago, Kansas City, Detroit, Green Bay and after next week, Pittsburgh. The NFL has spent a heck of a lot of time in Midwest or Midwestern adjacent cities. Could Indianapolis and the Colts be a future host of the NFL draft?

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Derek Schultz from his backyard Riffle Ball League and Fairfield County. We appreciate you being here tonight and hanging with us as we are just now days, not weeks, days away from the 2026 NFL draft. And speaking of, we've had a very Midwestern flavor here lately. I don't know how to categorize Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, to me, has, like, much more Midwestern vibes than Northeast vibes. I think Midwest, you know, Pittsburgh as a city is, yeah, Pittsburgh as a city is sort of like Missouri as a state. Like, it doesn't, it's not really Midwest.

It's not really south. Like, it's hard to sort of pigeonhole Pittsburgh. I really like Pittsburgh, by the way. But these other ones, obviously, you know, Detroit, Green Bay, Chicago. I mean, we're talking like real Midwestern, Big Ten country sort of cities. And Indianapolis has such a great reputation for being a tremendous host city for sporting events. They've had a Super Bowl, even though that was, you know, we're talking about 13, 14 years ago now. They just had the men's final four and entering the rotation for a lot of collegiate events and U.S. Olympic swimming trials and things like that.

And you would think that they would be in line to eventually host the NFL draft. And of course, with that, the Colts would become sort of the host team, sort of like what the Steelers are going to be next week. but I had a conversation with a couple of people that are involved in city and tourism and sports leadership. And they're actually sending a contingent to Pittsburgh just to sort of check it out and see. Now, I don't know how feasible it would be. I understand that the city has a very packed convention calendar, but I would have to think that you would make room for an event that, Zach, honestly, I think the NFL's attendance numbers are grossly overstated,

if I'm being totally honest, I'm, you know, to think that there were like 600,000 people in Green Bay, Wisconsin is absurd to me, right? But clearly there is a big following and people go and taking it away from Radio City Music Hall has been a huge success for the league. Would you like to see it here in Indianapolis

so you can maybe make a second pilgrimage besides just the NFL combine or I guess the third pilgrimage besides just the combine in the training camp for Zach Hicks of parents here in Indy? Oh, gosh. I'd have to do a live show the whole time to get through it. That would be the only way I think I would go to an NFL draft is if I'm constantly working throughout the night just to sit there and watch it as a fan. For me personally, I'm just speaking more so for myself. Sure. I just don't know if I could do it. I don't know

if I could do it, guys. But go through all the stuff you mentioned there. As your resident East Coast guy here, I'll gladly give you Pittsburgh to the Midwest. Not that it's a bad city or anything. It just, it does feel more, more Midwest. Like Philly is northeast, right? And that's in the same state there. Pittsburgh is absolutely Midwest. So I would count this as Midwest in my heart, in my head here. In terms of the NFL draft in Indy, you know, again, as the East, as the East Coast guy who's just more of someone who visits Indy, I think Indy is a fantastic place for any kind of event like this, such a walkable city, such a city where like it just feels so natural to go to big events in that city, right? It's not overly populated. It's not overly crazy like some of these other

cities and I think it's something that can be feasibly done. I just think the one thing that does hurt Indy with all this is the NFL draft being out there. It's like the NFL likes to separate where they're putting things. So they don't like to just keep putting everything in one city, right? Because if they wanted to, they would give everything to L.A. Or give everything to New York or everything to Dallas, right? Keep it in those big hubs where a lot of people would be.

But they like to have that diversity. They like to throw like Super Bowls to different states. I'd throw the draft to different places. So I do think part of something that hurts the Colts is the fact that they have the combine out there and they don't want to have those overlapping events. Like those two, like two of our biggest events in the same city, I think is probably, and maybe once they do move the combine out of Indy, which has been in talks for a while, then we could see the draft being brought to Indy. I think the Colts, I think personally we would lose in that. Like I would lose personally in that tradeoff. but I do think that that could be more on the table once the Colts eventually do lose the scouting combine.

So we'll see if it ever does come to Indy. But in my opinion, as someone who visits Indy once a year, twice a year sometimes, I think it's a fantastic city to have an event. Everything's so walkable. I mean, Jake and I have walked around the city tons of times together and my few times out there. And I'm always amazed by just how you can get from A to B so quickly and all these events and all these places. So I think it would be great for the draft as well as it is for the combine. But I do think part of it is that NFL wanting to have that diversity of cities part of their calendar.

Yeah, I think Carly said it during the owner's meetings. And if I'm paraphrasing basically, like the draft is the way for the NFL to give like the smaller or like more inclement weather places an event without having to give them the Super Bowl. because they like to give the Super Bowl to like the big bustling cities, the warm cities, or a place that has a brand new stadium. And the Colts just, they don't have any of that. We got really lucky with that February weather when the Super Bowl was here. But the draft is way more up the Indianapolis's alley in terms of like big NFL events to host. And Zach is right.

I do think you probably want to spread the love a little bit when it comes to where they put the draft And, you know, I don't think they've had it in any of the warm cities or anything, but like having the NFL world be an indie in February, basically March because it's the end of February into March. And then the end of the following month already come back, they probably don't want to do it much. With that said, I do think we'll probably have it here at least once just because it feels like that's a natural progression. And like if the city of Indianapolis goes and puts a good bid together, I don't, you know, whatever committee it is that chooses, like surely a lot of these people have been here during the Combine or experience that Super Bowl and figure, yeah, like Indy does things really well. I think I think the rest of our NFL, you know, world, our orbit would be perfectly fine with that.

So I think at least once, Indy will get it. I do know they have kind of a central location, but then they do little things throughout that city as well. So like if you set up shop at like White River State Park at the amphitheater could be like this stage. And then you have like victory field right there. You have the zoo right there. You could do military park. So like in the downtown Indianapolis itself, I think is set up perfectly to host because again, everything's very close. but you have these and you have the canal right there.

You have all of these very hostworthy locations all in one pocket within probably a half mile of each other. So I think the city of Indianapolis would do a very, very good job of doing it. And I mean, if that's something Carly really wants to set in motion, then I'm sure that it can happen probably within the next five or something. years that any gets one. Hopefully. So the only problem with having

the draft in Indianapolis is it makes too much sense. You know, you know, everything is, like you said, within walking distance. It's so convenient for everyone.

You've got your hotels downtown, all your restaurants downtown. Everybody can be You've got different locations, but sometimes I think the NFL likes to spread the love a little bit, you know, because nothing's really going on in Green Bay in April. You know, so let's give to them and acknowledge the fan base, you know. But I think the NFL probably looks at Indy and says, they really don't need one. They've got the Indy 500 where they bring in people. they're going to have something to go along with the NCAA basketball tournament,

whether it's Final Four or, you know, one of the stages, they're going to get that. They have other events that are in Indianapolis and the Combine, you know, which has become a big spectacle. But the draft has really, it's amazing to me to see how that draft has evolved because 40 years ago. go when I was drafted. The draft was all on one day, held at the Marriott Marquis, and it was 15 minutes between picks in the first round, 10 minutes between picks and the second round, and then five minutes for the rest of the picks.

And the first round took four hours. So I'm kind of glad that they have split it up amongst days. but, you know, I got picked in the third round so you can, and there were some, there was some thinking that I could potentially go in the first round. So having to wait around that long, even now waiting to be picked at the end of the first round, you're like, damn, did they forget about me? You know, I thought it was a good player. Did they forget about me?

but, you know, I think about Brady Quinn in the green room just waiting to get picked. Or I remember Aaron Rogers, how they touted him so much. And I guess he made everybody pay for that when he finally got picked by Green Bay. But I think it's just a matter of time before Indy gets it. but I think the NFL feels this need to spread the love to some cities that, you know, may not be used to getting big events, but Indy is already used to it and can handle it. Yeah, I'm fascinated to think about where they would do it if it would be, you know, there's a lot of space if you've gone to Lucas Loyal Stadium for a Colts game.

That little quadrant of downtown is not super populated as far as buildings. you know you have like the NK. Hurst Bean lot and you've got like Stadium Tavern and a few other spots but for the most part it's a little bit wide open. I feel like Georgia Street or something like that would be too constricted. I know some folks have talked about, you know, let's have it at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. There's just logistically speaking. Yeah, you don't want to. It's not close. It's not close enough to the rest of the downtown. Well, that's there, but it's there, but it's not. Yeah. But I agree that, you know, I'd like, to see it selfishly. I'd like to see it someday. I think Indy would do some cool things that are

that are new and forward thinking because that's how they are as an event city. That's why they're known the way that they are. But yeah, I mean, we'll see if it ends up happening. It's something, it feels like an annual conversation we've been having, but do know that the folks in India, at the very least, are looking at the feasibility of the whole thing. I mean, I never thought like WrestleMania stuff would come here and look. We're eventually going to get that too. So, not that those two things are the same, but it's, you know, the NFL draft is so over the top that sometimes it feels like WWE, doesn't it? Especially like the big bear hugs with the commissioner and all that.

Yeah. I think put it right there in the circle. Put it right there in the circle and you can have fans on all the different streets. And then the background, you've got the World War II Memorial. Yeah. So that'd be a great, you can have a circular stage. Exactly. Have the first ever circular stage.

Exactly. That'd be pretty cool. Yeah. I mean, I just know how much Zach loves crowds, so I know he's excited about all of these ideas. I would need as many people there as possible. Yeah, I would need an elevated booth away from the crowd and I'm working the whole time. It's the only way I go to a draft. I would love it for the city of Indy.

I'm sure a lot of people would enjoy it. But honestly, even having the draft on in my computer while I'm working on other things, it's like, oh my gosh, can we get to the next pick already? Like, just give me the names on a list and I'm fine. I don't need the spectacle. But I know, you know, the NFL makes a lot of money on it. They love it. So it is what it is.

Honestly, I can't go to the draft, but I think Cincinnati would do awesome, too. Any excuse to go to downtown Cincinnati is okay with me. You would have never said that 10 or 15 years ago. But Cincinnati found itself, didn't it? I mean, Cincinnati is a lot of fun now. All the stuff on the banks and things like that. It's really cool. Could we relive one of the NFL's most embarrassing blunders at the beginning?

of this NFL season. We'll talk about that when the cold squad show returns for a final time next. And we're back on the locked on cold squad show. Sorry, I'm so used to having commercials there that I completely forgot that we didn't have one there. So I ended up hitting wrong buttons. I'm Derek Schultz back for final time here. Sorry, it's, you know, 10 o'clock and I'm getting old and maybe just more forgetful when it comes to age and nighttime stuff.

Zach Hicks, Jake, Jake Arthur, and Alan Pinkett here as well. So as you probably saw, just nationally headline-wise, as we sort of step out from Indianapolis and the Colts and the NFL draft, the league has started onboarding potential replacement officials, the expiration of the CBA with the NFL referee association. So just like NFLPA, there's an NFL RA that expires at the end of May. And they've been negotiating for a long time now. I know it's been over a year, still have not made progress on a new deal. And even last month during the league meetings in Arizona, the owners passed a series of rule changes to give league staff in New York City some more authority when it comes to helping officiate games via video feeds if replacement officials are used in games.

This is reaching back a bit because you have to go back to Andrew Lux's rookie year. And I don't remember why I remember that it was Andrew Lux rookie year. but that was the last time that you saw replacement referees used in games. It was the first couple of weeks of the 2012 season. And Zach, I mean, it's so famous that we call it something, right? The fail Mary still lives on in NFL lore because of the replacement refs. And one dude's doing this and the other dude's doing this. And there's actually that shot that the photographer took.

I think it was a Monday Night Football game, if I'm not mistaken. I remember it was Packer Seahawks, right? Yeah, Packer Seahawks. And that's the last time that we had, you know, replacement referees. And I'm sure the officials know that when they're working out these sort of organizations. Like, hey, look what happened. The last time he didn't give us what we wanted, I would like to think that a resolution here is imminent. But the fact that we've even gotten this far and we're, you know, six, seven weeks out,

whatever it is from the expiration. I think at the very least is a little bit unnerving if you're a football fan. Yeah, no, absolutely. And I'm not going to go full workers' rights on here like I usually, like me and Alan usually do when it comes to, talking about the NFL when it comes to contracts and money and the way they penny pinch at times. But it's absurd that, you know, multi-billion dollar industry can get to the, like, it's every time that one of these union contracts expires or comes up on their expiration date, we get talks of the league shutting down.

We get talks of replacement refs coming in. It's like, I mean, you're making so much money in this league. And because you want to keep these refs at part-time, because you don't want to give them full benefits. and everything. You want to keep them as like contracted employees instead of full-time employees, which would actually probably raise the product of what you're getting from refs, right?

If you had them, I don't know, full-time employee, right? They work throughout the season. And in the off-season, they go to training camps to essentially figure out where they went wrong and how to properly referee some things. I don't know. Maybe that would improve the product of your sport. But I digress.

I don't want to go too far to all that. Yeah, it's embarrassing. And here's the thing, though, Like for everything, for like, I know that the fail mayor was such a huge thing. But the state, the state of refereeing in the NFL because the NFL does not invest in refereeing, I mean, was it last year, right, where there was an interception? I think it was Riley Leonard's first interception in the NFL where it was a 50-50 ball. And like, was it Alec Pierce?

No, it was Michael Pittman Jr. Patman. Caught the football and went down with it. And then the defender put his hand on it after the fact. And they called an interception. It was the exact same thing as the fail-marriage is not a high-leverage situation. So we see this from regular NFL referees as well because they're part-time employees, invest in them and develop them and train them properly.

And maybe we don't get this situation. But yeah, it's just, it's frustrating in general how they handle these things. And the last thing anyone wants to see as replacement refs out there because, again, like, if we think regular refereeing is bad, wait until you see people who don't even get that limited training that they give the regular referees or limited, you know, exposure to what they want to be called and and all these things. You know, it's just, it's just bad. And especially with, I mean, we are seeing, I don't want to feed into the conspiracy theories here,

because I'm not as far as some people are. But like, we've seen in major sports recently, right, the betting scandals and the major gambling scandals and all that stuff among people associated with the league. And every miss call leads to more scrutiny. now because of all those scandals. Not saying that every miscall is that. I don't even think most of the miscalls are that. I think there's a lot of human error in this.

And it's been lightweight since the beginning of time. But you just open yourself up to so much more scrutiny for no reason because you're penny pinching against part-time employees. It's just ridiculous. And the fact that we get here every time that the contract comes to an edge because it's, oh, it's cheaper. There's hire new part-time employees. Like, develop your employees, invest in your employees, and you'll get a better. product but you know I said I wasn't going to go into the tangent I went to the tangent

five separate times there but Jake what are your thoughts on this I do have two big schools of thought here so like the NFL has always had an issue with like it's it's wild to me that people as important as the officials can't be invested in like this as full time of place because it's like how often do you see like the bios on guys like I'm a water salesman and I coat like I ref big 10 basketball and NFL on Sundays. And it's like, I would really like for you to just do this one thing. But they can't because they're part-time employees. Like, that's always been a bit crazy to me.

But at the same time, like, I can't think of a lower point than what officiating has been at than in the last couple years. Like, it has gotten to a fever pitch. And it's not just like me noticing that like just, I obviously intimately watch the Colts games week in and week out. I see how ridiculous some of these calls or no calls are, but it's across the league. You see it all over social and it's never been louder and more rampant than right now. And it's like if the Colts, or not the Colts, but if the NFL is going to budge a little bit and invest more,

and it's like, well, can you guys do a better job at some of this stuff that you've been doing for 15 years? Right. Like, they're going to get more training and they're going to be more. involved and everything, but at the same time, it's like, most of these guys have been doing this a very long time and are missing elementary things. So, like, I don't know, it probably needs a big overhaul and a recommitment from both sides. Like, it's, it's tough just because, like, I wish they were doing their jobs better, but I also understand that they need to have more resources. It's just like, I just think we all want the officiating to be better, because it's

not good right now. Well, and I understand that, but here's my thing, right? I've worked in retail the last 10 years, right? The last 10 years of my life, I've worked in retail. You guys know how that grind is, even when you just go in there and get some quick shopping done. It's a pain working in retail. And one thing I've always noticed from multiple stores, multiple leaders and stuff like that, if you have an issue storewide with certain things, right? It's like, wow, every employee is struggling with this thing, every single employee. Then there's something reflected on the culture in the store in the culture of the business, in the culture of at the very top. So when you have referees struggling, like you said, Jake, at this low point that we

haven't seen in a long time, that's reflective more on the league to me than it is on the refs. That is the product that you are willingly putting out there. And I know that product pays my salary, so I don't want to go too crazy on all this, but, you know, like, that is on the league, man. Like, I know the individual refs have some ownership on this, too, because they are the ones making some mistakes. But if there's more than one guy making mistakes, there's multiple, there are dozens of guys making mistakes. It's systemic. Yeah.

That is systemic. And it's on your organization. And it's on your league. So like the league bears most of the responsibility here for me. I don't know the direct stuff of the, of the conversations going on between union and league. So I can't comment on where the impasse is at right now. But if we're just talking about the general state of officiating and where it's been, it's more on the league than anybody else right now. Well, I think the reason why they don't make them full time, and there's every reason to make them full time. But I don't, I think the reason they're not full time, it's because they're not enough games. You can understand it being full time in baseball, 162 games.

You can understand full time in basketball. What is it, 82 games, something like that. You know, you just have, what, 20 games, counting the pre-send. Maybe the team that goes all the way is going to play, what, 22 games? So, and it's every week. It's not like it's, you know, three days in a row that you do it. So, but still, still, I think the product would be better if you had full-time refs. But I think that, you know, the advent of instant replay and the camera, all the different cameras you have,

sitting over their shoulder, you know, has, I don't think, given these referees more confidence, it's made them less likely to make a call because they don't like being overruled. You know, so I think that has something to do with it. And I think if we had replacement refs, do you see how the coaches try to bully the officials now? What do you think they're going to do with replacement reps? Yeah. I mean, there's going to be no. respect with the

refs and even with the players. And I'll have to say this because I'm not a big fan of the refs. But when you see something happen at full speed and then you go and you slow it down, nine times out of ten,

those guys were right with the decision that they made. So what they possess is a skill. You know, so why we don't honor that and make them full time. I agree with all of you would make the product much better, knowing that you have a full-time official, someone dedicated to just doing football. But I'm sure if they were full-time, their

salaries would get jacked up, you know, and in the field. Benefits. It's benefits is the biggest part. It comes to money. Like, for example, I think what should be allowed to be challenged should be broadened, but the NFL doesn't want the games to take longer and take away from the product. And it's like, you know, but like if you're able to challenge this thing and then the league in New York is helping make the correct decision, because like there's just some things that like affect a game, a call that affects light in the game that could have been challenged or whatever. Yeah. And just like an example I keep coming back to in my mind is like the, remember what opponent it was, but the Colts had a game later in the season where I feel like

it was the Texans. It's going to be Houston where the Kenny Moore pass interference? No. Okay. So it was Houston, I think, but like, uh, can you be fairbairn, like hit an extra point that didn't go through the uprights. Yeah. And it's not reviewable.

It's like, all scoring plays are supposed to be reviewable. And it, like, what, what are we doing? How is it possible that this is wrong? And then an unfortunate part is, like, from my perspective. effective on the beat, whenever there's like a key officiating thing that goes wrong or needs clarification after the game, we ask for a pool report where we get to actually, like a representative gets to speak to the officiating crew after the game to get clarification on it. And they don't have to be very revealing or even admit they're wrong. They often don't. They just explain why the

call was made the way it was in the moment without much reflection on it. Yeah. And then three days later to come up with an apology. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's funny with the, with the kicking the extra point, that's one of the few things like, you know, how baseball is doing the ABS challenges and stuff where,

because mostly in football, almost every call is subjective, right? There's no real objectiveness to calls outside of what, off sides, false start and extra points being missed or not missed. Like, passing interference, you can never do a video challenge of a pass interference

because you'd call it. every play then because guys are touching each other every single play if you're going my letter of the law. So yeah, I do agree with you on the extra point thing. That was one where they certainly could have had the technology to overturn it, but probably a conversation for another day. Thanks so much for joining us on this latest edition of the Colts squad show where we never buck away from controversy. We're always talking about it. Next time it'll be NFL draft week when we get to speak to you again. We'll be back with you Tuesday night at 9 o'clock. As always, Colts news cycle never ends.

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