Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - COLTS SQUAD SHOW: Still PRIME | Jonathan Taylor Drives the Colts Offense Into A Big Contract Season

Episode Date: June 12, 2026

Jonathan Taylor has been so good that he's barely been mentioned this offseason - but can he still drive the Colts' offense in a contract season? We'll discuss J.T. and his murky future in Indianapolis, dive into a running back room filled with mostly unproved young players, and in honor of the historic NBA Finals comeback last night, we each look back at our favorite all-time Colts comeback! Find and follow Locked On Colts on your favorite podcast platforms:  🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/podcasts/locked-on-colts/  📺YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLdpxJspi1hMh5HL7ExpWOQ Give the squad a follow on X/Twitter @Schultz975, @JakeArthurNFL, @ZachHicks2, @allenpinkett, @LockedOnColts, and @ColtsOn_SI, as well on TikTok and Instagram!  Locked On NFL League-Wide: Every Team, Fantasy, Draft & More  🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/podcasts/lockedoncolts  Everydayer Club  If you never miss an episode, it’s time to make it official. Join the Locked On Everydayer Club and get ad-free audio, access to our members-only Discord, and more — all built for our most loyal fans. Click here to learn more and join your team’s community: https://lockedonpodcasts.com/everydayerclub Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! FanDuel Today's episode is brought to you by FanDuel. From the opening whistle to the final kick, Let There Be Goals on FanDuel.Visithttps://FANDUEL.COMto get started now. Square If you’re starting a business, or running one that deserves better tools, Square helps you sell, manage, and grow without slowing down. Right now, you can get up to $200 off Square hardware at https://square.com/go/LockedOnNFL. Indeed Listeners of this show get a $75 Sponsored Job Credit to help give your job the premium placement it deserves at http://Indeed.com/podcast. FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Colts Squad Show. I'm Derek Schultz, and I just realized it's been months since we talked about the Colts best player. How is that even possible? I'm Zach Hicks, and yeah, it has been a while since we've talked about Ashton Doolin, so I'm excited to talk about him on tonight's show. I'm Jake Arthur. And tonight we're going to talk about a nearly impossible decision that the Colts have coming up. And I'm Al and Pinkett, former Euler. We're going to talk about my favorite position I might know a little bit about it. Nation rise up. It's the Colt Squad, everything Indianapolis Colts every week. Covering all the big hits and game changing plays from the Circle City the way only the locked on podcast network can. It's time to squad up. The Colt Squad Joe starts now. Welcome to the Colt Squad Show. Once again, I'm Derek Schultz, longtime indie sports talker and calmness for the Indianapolis Business Journal. I'm joined by a

NER name legend and a long time NFL running back, emphasis on running back for tonight's show, Alan Pinkett. Also the Locked on Colts Daily host duo of Jake Arthur and Zach Hickser here. Of course, your first listen every day. I didn't do an audio word search for Jonathan Taylor on the locked on squad show, but if I did, I'm guessing there would only be a handful of mentions of the Colts best player on the show this offseason in the last couple of months. That's because he's just so good and he's so reliable.

And so he's not really topical. because you feel like you've got that guy who's going to take care of you. But let's give him his flowers tonight in the final edition of our returning review. Our returning review, of course, will be JT, still behind the wheel, still the driver, and still not even really slowing down when it comes to the Colts offense and being the key lynchpin there will lead off with that in segment number one. In segment two, we will talk about, I think what Jake sort of alluded to in the cold open, the contract status question, right?

Another contract year for Jonathan Taylor doesn't feel like that long ago that he was in the camper with the late great Jim Ursay, right? And it was controversy central at the beginning of the 2023 season. We'll talk about the age as well and JT moving forward and leaned in to Allen a little bit too because he went through this as a player during his career. And, you know, running backs have a little bit of a more shorter, if you will, shelf life at that position. So we'll talk about that in segment number two. How big of an issue is the rest of the running back room, especially after a season from DJ Giddins and you look at the rest of that depth chart. And you look at the rest of that depth chart. And then we'll step away from the running backs all together and talk about,

you know, I'm going to try not to mention the shirt that I'm wearing tonight and make it about the Knicks again. But favorite all-time Colts comeback. I thought about favorite all-time Colts meltdown because we could do that too, but let's keep the vibes happy here on the show. Don't do that. And not touch the negative stuff. But guys, look, no signs of slowing down here for Jonathan Taylor. I understand the second half of the season, right? That was a sign of slowing down because when you look at the first eight games, kind of like what you saw with the Colts, the first eight, nine games last year, it looked like he was going to be playing his way in MVP contention. Of course, that didn't ultimately end up happening. But still a career high,

tied a career high with 18 touchdowns. He went over the 1,500 yard mark for the second time in his career. In the last three seasons, he's played at least 14 games, 500 yards, 1,400 yards, he's still just 27 years old, Zach. We'll talk about the contract and all this other stuff that's still coming up. But man, it's nice to have something that you can kind of set it and forget it. And that's what the Colts can do with Jonathan Taylor. Still, I think the key cog of this entire operation. I do think he's a key cog for sure.

Yeah, Jonathan Taylor easily, like if you go pound for pound, like according to where he plays, like his position across the league, like outside of Quentin Nelson, he is the best player on this Colts team, right? Like, he has been a consistent player for a long time. I know he's had some injuries in recent seasons. but whenever he's been healthy, he has been one of the best running backs in football. And I do agree that he is a major, major cog in this machine. One thing that I think we've done a good job on this show, though, of pushing back on narrative-wise when it comes to the Colts,

is that there are some run-first football team. And Jonathan Taylor kind of pivoted from being, like in 2021, he was the entire offense. He was the focus of the offense. He was the start, the middle, and the end of the offense. and Carson Wentz was a, you know, a recurring guest character in Jonathan Taylor's life story in 2021, where last year he kind of took on more of that closer role. I was actually just looking at the numbers here because I really wanted to have just the numbers to back up my argument. But when you look at where the Colts were with their rushing offense last year,

just according to EPA per play, in the first half of games last season, the Colts were a middle of the road rush offense. They were around 14th best. in EPA per play, right? And obviously, again, Jonathan Taylor is at Bell cow, the biggest part of that. In the second half of football games, though,

the third and fourth quarter, the Colts were not only the best rushing offense in football. Like, if we're going just EPA per play, it's one of the greatest rush offenses that has ever touched the football field. Like, it is one, like, more than doubles the next closest team, right? In terms of how many points were added, almost all of Taylor's rushing touchdowns came in the second half of games.

Did you say that with the entire second, like throughout the season? Second half of games, sorry, second half of games. Third and throughout the season? Throughout the whole season. Because that's impressive because they took a big downturn. That was even with, so even like if you don't include those last parts when Jones got hurt, it was even better than that. Like we're talking probably the greatest rush offense in the history of football. If you just look at the second half of games throughout the year, but especially in the first half of the season.

because that's how dominant was. And if you even think back to all of Taylor's biggest plays last year, right, the dominance against the Tennessee Titans, right, mostly exploded in the second half of that game. The Atlanta Falcons, right, running that long touchdown around second half run, the Chargers, whatever, multiple second half touchdowns, Raiders second half touchdowns. The Colts did a great job last year of not relying on Taylor

to be every single aspect of the offense. He was an auxiliary part of the offense. He was a huge auxiliary part. He was the Mariana Rivera. of the offense, right? Second half of the season, right? When they weren't getting those early leads, you didn't have the closer coming in.

So it felt like, oh, the Colts offense is so reliant on Jonathan Taylor because, look, in all these losses, he's only running for 40 yards, only running for 50 yards. But that's because they would be winning the game in the first half, and then he would close it out in the second, right? That's where your closer would get the saved. So I think, again, like Jonathan Taylor, none of this is a slight on Taylor whatsoever,

because he was the top three to four running back in football last year. And the first half of last season, he was arguably the MVP of the lead because it is that valuable to have that closer. But I think that the Colts have constructed something really cool in offense when they are clicking on all cylinders where we are going to pass to score early to set up this dominant running back in the second half of games. So Colts fans would get upset. They'd be like, oh, why is Taylor only have five carries in the first half?

Because we're going to give him 20 in the second half as long as things are going right. and he's going to look like a superstar there. So last year was a fascinating season because of that disparity, like the first half of games, he would have five, maybe 10 carries and not be super productive. And then he'd go off for 120 yards in the second half, 130 yards in the second half, break off an 80-yard touchdown in the second half of games.

So the Colts had a really good thing going, and Jonathan Taylor was a massive, massive part of that. So while I don't think the Colts are like this run-first offense, and again, Alan and I for sure, like we're pushing back on that a lot, last season. They were still a run-focused offense, especially in the second half of games, where if they needed to close you out, they had Taylor there to be your top-tier closer.

So it was a really cool dynamic they had in Taylor, even at his age, even off of some of the recent injury-plagued seasons he had had a great season last year. And I expect a lot of that to continue going forward. He's truly unbelievable. And I think through the Atlanta game was still on pace to break the single-season rushing record. was a legitimate MVP candidate, the only non-quarterback you could really make the argument for. When you look at like just pure running numbers, like, because a lot of guys get boosted up because, you know, they catch a lot of balls. They're multifaceted.

But you look at like yards after contact, miss tackles force, 10-yard runs, all that stuff. Jonathan is right up there in the top of the mix with everybody else with James Cook with Derek Henry, Bejohn Robinson. like he's up there with the cream of the crop still. And again, it was so impressive considering he was able to maintain all that and still had a shot at the rushing title into the last week, despite, you know, Daniel Jones going down. And Zach mentioned this the other day. With Philip Rivers in there, they were shotgun only.

You know, you can't have Philip Rivers coming out from under center. And that greatly affected the run game. You look at, you know, Tanner Bordellini missed a game. Berenhardt. Reimann missed a little bit of time, which caused a major shuffle on the offensive line for a couple weeks. Braden Smith missed the final five games, I think, so you had to get Jalen Travis out there. So Daniel Jones going down and all the shuffling on the offensive line in the second half, I think affected it because I think when you watch Jonathan, you can really tell when he's kind of sussing out the blocking and trying to figure out the offensive line.

because he looks very uncharacteristic, and he doesn't, he doesn't, like, it doesn't feel like he has the same vision as he normally does, at least to me. And I saw that a lot down the stretch. So I'm just hoping the continuity throughout this offseason, having their starting five, having Jones back, like, I think that'll be big. But yeah, truly unbelievable. It's just such a shame that yet another historic season. And he's had two of the greatest Colts running back seasons ever with no playoffs to show in either of them.

And don't forget, this is a Colts franchise loaded with Hall of Famers, Marshall Falk, Eric Dickerson, Lenny Moore, Edron James. Even Joseph Adai had an incredible run for a while. And this guy has left all of them in the dust to some degree in some of his season performances. And like just as a team, they have not had the success. So like I feel like he has kind of gone greatly underrated because he hasn't been able to be ushered into the postseason with some big performance. He did as a rookie because, I mean, when they when they went against the bills, he had that 257 year performance against the Jags in week 17 and then went and faced the bills. So, I mean, he got that to a degree, but he wasn't Jonathan Taylor yet, you know. So as great as we know this guy is, I still think he flies.

of the radar a little bit and is a little underappreciated across the league. Well, with last season being my first to seriously watch the Colts, it was a treat to see Jonathan Taylor run. And I can tell you just from being a back and I look at a lot of different things, a lot of different traits. He's not only explosive when he needs to be. but to me he's a very heady runner, a very smart runner, someone who knows how to read his blocks,

you know, to have the correct speed in the backfield while you're approaching the line of scrimmage so you can accelerate accelerate. A lot of backs will just accelerate running to the back at the offensive linemen because they got to find that speed that gets them up there quick, but not too fast where you can't read the block and make your cut. And I think that he was excellent at that.

And, you know, the thing I admire the most about him is when you think about it, most full-time running backs, their shelf life is about six years. It's just you get beat up so much and getting hit every play. And that's why you see in contemporary football now, Each team has two running backs that split to duties. You know, and the Colts, unfortunately, haven't found that guy that can compliment Jonathan Taylor because he is in every down back. He's shown that he can pass block.

He's shown that he's a reliable receiver out of the backfield. And his running style is one that, you know, kind of hard to describe. because he's got the acceleration. He's got good flat-out speed. Doesn't look like he's running fast, but he's running by people. But at 228 pounds, it's got a lot of power. You know, but here's the thing I'll say that benefits him the most.

Is this particular offensive system that Shane Steichen has put into place? And I think, Zach, you said it best. he was a closer. And, you know, I know there was a lot of talk early in the season about, oh, we got to, the culture such a rushing team, we got to stop them, you know, and teams would sort of game plan to stop them in the first half while Colts are throwing the ball over their head. And then, you know, in the second half, he would, he would, you know, take care of business.

You know, but I think this system is. is one where when all the pieces are clicking, they cannot be stopped. And that's why it's so important to get a Daniel Jones back. Even when Daniel Jones had the broken leg thing, it still altered the offense enough to take away from Jonathan Taylor's closing ability. But in those first eight games, oh, man, defenses couldn't figure it out. And so it's important, as good as Jonathan is, it's important for that system to stay intact.

And for the health to be good, what all the key components, the key players on offense to be healthy. Because when they can do that, they can like the scoreboard up. They'll put 40 up a game if they can do that. Yeah. And one thing I want to add real quick about Taylor is I really thought the days of the home run, hitting we're done going into this past year because he had a lot of ankle injuries. He had a lot of lower body injuries. And I thought, okay, he's going to be a high success rate guy, a guy who reads his blocks, uses his vision and his power to be a consistent like four or five yard per carry guy.

But I don't see the explosive plays really coming anymore. Oh my gosh, he came out. Just was hitting the explosive plays again. He looked like 2020, 2021, Jonathan Taylor again. and some of the ways that he was able to turn the corner on defenders. I mean, you think of that 80-yard Tennessee run. You think of the Atlanta run, the way he turned the corner along the sideline, a couple of these other, like, longer runs or even some of the ones that just broke for like 15 to 20 yards, where I think most running backs, they would have been like five to 10-yard runs. It was truly special to watch what he was able to do last season.

And I really thought we weren't going to see that type of Taylor again. So hopefully this continues, but man, it was a blast. to watch him just hit his prime yet again last year. Yeah, it really was great. I mean, the walkoff in Germany was certainly the high point of the season, and that was just kind of one of those where this guy can't be stopped, right? I mean, that's what it felt like in real time. And I don't think that went away.

I still think Taylor has that in his bag, but it's about refound, refining that. And to Jake's point, kind of having the success of the team mirror the success of the individual. and unfortunately for JT, that's not happened too much in his career. When we come back on the Colt Squad Show, Jonathan Taylor told reporters this week, including Jake, that he wants to be a Colt for life. Will the two sides make that happen? We'll talk about it when the Colt Squad show returns.

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I am Derek Schultz. We're talking about Jonathan Taylor in our final edition of the returning reviews that we've had a lot of fun with over the past couple of weeks. As I mentioned in the first segment, guys, a contract year, which is hard to believe for Jonathan Taylor, we're already three years removed from all the fireworks. It ended up getting smoothed over, but there was a time there where things got pretty nasty.

If I remember right, the agent was kind of tweeting some stuff too. Oh, yeah. Some Colts fans, yeah, weren't real appreciative of the agent. it sounds like that relationship has really been repaired over the past couple of years and it's helped that Jonathan Taylor has become such a productive and important player and continue to show himself as such to the Colts. And he talked to reporters during mandatory mini-camp this week and mentioned the fact that he wanted to be a cult for life.

Now, he's only 27 years old, so I don't think his next contract necessarily is going to be the lifetime contract. But I think the Colts, Zach, are a little bit, in an interesting position here because when they dug in three years ago, the running back market was in a much different place. Now, not that it's exploded. It's not the quarterback market, but you saw what A chain got or you saw what Sequin got.

And I think you're thinking to yourself, hey, you know, cost of business is going up. I think for Jonathan Taylor, it's definitely more of a buyer's market than a seller's market, if you will, if Taylor is in that boat. But when it's when he comes to. extension or timeline or things like that, you know, kind of what do you think about the scenario here that the Colts find themselves in with their start running back? Yeah, it's a really tough conversation, I think, because on one hand, you know, part of my brain says at the end of the day, you'd rather have good players than not have good players in the NFL.

Sometimes we overanalyze this stuff where it's like, oh, you can't pay this running back. You can't pay this position. You can't pay this with all, you know, put all your money at corner, all your money at edge. But I think at the end of the day, you just, you need talent on your team. You need top-tier talent. And Jonathan Taylor is that top-tier talent. On the other hand, though, this is a guy who he's 27 years old. So he's not terribly old, but it is kind of getting up there and running back age.

He also had almost 1,000 carries in college as well. We always have to factor that in with a player like that. And it's not like he's been this perfect clean bill of health in the NFL, right? He had multiple years there with a lot of injuries piling up on him before he had a very healthy season last. year, which was great to see. But again, if you would have asked this question to me last year, I would have said, you probably don't give him that second contract or that third contract, so to speak, because the injuries had been just piled up.

But now because he had that great season last year, it makes you rethink things. I think the best way the coach should approach this is you let him play out this season, show that last season wasn't just like one last flash in the pan before the injuries come back with him. let him play out this season. Because at the end of the day, like, A-chan just got $16 million per year. You're already going to be paying that for Jonathan Taylor, at least, right? I don't think it has much potential to go too much higher at this point.

So I think it's just smarter to let the season play out so you can see, again, if any injuries pop up again, then you always had the franchise tag at your disposal. That would probably be your prime franchise tag guy next season if you have to and you can use that to parlay into a conversation to new deal if things go well this year for the Colts. But yeah, running back is just a tough position because, again, when these guys hit that wall, I mean, they fall off quickly, right? I mean, if you're not Derek Henry, the second that the wall hits, I mean, you're out of the league.

Guys, like, I always think of like the Cowboys running backs the last couple years, right? DeMarco Murray and Ezekiel Elliott, right? These guys went from like top five running backs in football to like the next minute being unplayable and out of the out of football. Right. Like it's not like some of these positions where, oh, you just go from being a great receiver to a good receiver. You go from being a top five player to out of the league. Like it's when that fall off happens, it happens.

So I think the Colts need to be aware of it. But again, if he comes out this year and runs for another 13, 14, 1,500 yards, right? Like, and he's healthy all year. It's hard not to just bring back a really good football player, right? Like you front load the contract, obviously, give him like two to three years. and you feel good about it. But yeah, I think it's a conversation that we're probably having next off season for sure. I would definitely wait this season out with him.

But if I were him, I wouldn't want to wait this season out, right? Like, you just had your first healthy season in three years. Like, you should be pushing for that new contract. So it's going to be really interesting behind the scenes. But, yeah, I want to see him stay healthy one more season. And I'd be fine with extending him if he does, you know, two to three years, front-loaded contract, get a market value of 16-17 per year. But I think for me, this should be a conversation we're having next off-season if he can prove

that he can stay healthy for one more season. Yeah, I think under normal circumstances, if this was a team that was in rhythm or just building up what they're doing, it's a no-brainer. But this is kind of a make or break here. So, you know, no one knows if Shane Steichen and Chris Ballard will be around. no one knows if Daniel Jones will be around after this. Like, I think reinvesting in a running back who will be about 28 by that point would be an interesting thing to saddle, like a new GM with, or like,

even if you're just trying to reimagine how you're going to build this, or like what you're going to do with this team beyond this, you know, because this whole thing could look so much different how we're talking about it next year. Again, like running back is just, it's a greatly depreciating asset. It's just, it's very hard to reinvest in a running back unless you know what the environment is going to look like the next year or two or three. You know, now if you're talking about Quentin Nelson, that's kind of a regime proof type of guy. There's no one who doesn't want to Quentin Nelson. Do they want to pay a guard 20 million plus dollars?

Probably not, but it's Quentin Nelson. I mean, I think you do because you got to protect your quarterback. no matter who's back there. So I think you're like, hey, I have three other rookie contracts on the line. Of course I'll pay Quentin Nelson $20 million. That's my only little pushback there. You keep going with your point, though. Oh, no, I get it.

Yeah, I get it. But it's like, I think Jonathan is elite. And like as far as like true running backs go, there's probably maybe only a couple who rival him. But he's not like, once that running goes, he doesn't have much else to offer. He's not a hundred catch guy. like Christian McCaffrey. That's how Alvin Camara has stayed relatively relevant is because he can catch the ball. Derek Henry is a freak of nature battering ram.

Like Jonathan, I think when he starts to fall off, like it will be maybe somewhat gracefully, but maybe not at the price you want to pay. Like right now he represents the highest cap hit in the NFL among running backs just for this year. Now when it comes to total cash, he's starting to slip down. inside the top five to ten. You know, there's other guys that are becoming more expensive. So I'm with Zach, all that long-winded answer to come back to it. I'm with Zach.

I think you wait this year because I think that's what the Colts will want to do, especially now Carly isn't pulling all the strings in terms of football decisions, but big stuff like this, Chris is going to go to her about it. And she's very practical. Like she's not going to really get caught up in a lot of emotions. and she may even think back to the tough decision Jimmer, say, had to make with Edron James. You know, Edron James was unbelievable, but even he had to be parted with at some point, you know? So, again, I just don't know that this is the environment that it's such a layup decision for the Colts to extend him before the contract runs out next year.

So I listened to Jonathan Taylor's presser today and did hear him. him say wants to be a cult for like. By the way, there's not a single player in the NFL that wants to be traded. You know, they all want to be with the same team for their entire career. There's just so many benefits community-wise, financially, with being on the same team. But, you know, let's get to the running back position. The other thing that Jonathan really pointed out to me, was his team of people that are keeping him healthy. And he talked a lot about, you know, recovery, having his body recover and, you know, being in the perfect shape to go into practice, to go into training camp,

to have his body be ready to go into the season. even as far as right after a game, what is it you do to get your body ready for the following week? You know, and, you know, I think because of that, his longevity is a little longer. I wish we had had that knowledge way back when I was playing about some of the methods to recover or have a team of people, you know, to, you know,

manage your body to make sure that everything is okay. And I would love to see them get extended, but every team in the NFL is so scared to pay a running back because they're getting hit all the time, more susceptible to injury. And their skills diminish probably the fastest out of any other position, unfortunately. And so the plus side is he's in a contract year

and there's nothing like a contract year to motivate you. But I'm glad you guys mentioned it. I could see them doing a franchise tag on him next year or at most a two-year contract. Because, unfortunately, I hate to say this, paying a running back is a losing proposition. Now, there's only one running back I'm aware of whose skills never diminished the entire time he played. That was Barry Sanders. Because he retired so young.

Yeah. And he walked away. Right. He's the only one. I would say Emmett Smith had a hell of a line. I'm not taking anything away from Emma Smith's talent. He had a hell of a line. But at some point, you become too expensive at that position.

And it's going to happen where the Colts will probably have two running backs that will end up being cheaper than a one, Jonathan Taylor. That's sort of where we're headed. But I would love to see them maybe extend by a year his

contract just out of good faith since this is an organization that likes veterans and considers it family. Well, I'm your family. I'm probably the most important person in your family. Take care of your family.

But from a business standpoint, it's just the running back position, you can always find somebody bigger, stronger, faster. Yeah, and it's just hard to succeed. It's one of those positions that it's very hard to, and some of the elite ones do this, it's hard to succeed in a vacuum. You need to have other things around you be going right, right, in order, especially to win. I mean, you know, there have been a lot of teams that have been great running backs that have been

four or five-win teams. So, you know, that's the other thing. It doesn't, you know, when we talk about impact positions, it doesn't register the way that a dominant edge or a dominant wide receiver or obviously a great quarterback does too. So I think that kind of factors in, unlike, you know, during your era, Alan, where it absolutely did. In fact, it was even more important in some cases than the quarterback. But, you know, back then. But I just think the Colts are in an interesting position because there is, we all are, I think, optimistic. about or this is the period of the off season where you start talking yourself into things

that this can be a good team but there's a not so outlandish scenario that everything goes wrong and then they blow it all up and at that point it's really irrelevant whether taylor is still very good at 28 years old because you're probably moving on from everybody not just jt yeah no for sure um so it's going to be interesting um i think if i were the colts i think the happy middle ground, if Taylor stays healthy this year, is you look at it for like a two, I think you give them like two year extensions with one and a half, get like,

with a lot of guarantees in the first year and only a little bit of guarantees in the second year, that's kind of the happy middle ground, right? Where you still are getting some guarantees in the second year, but the Colts have an out if there is something that happens with the injury relation there. Because I would like to see Taylor retire a cold. I think we'd all,

we all love it when players retire with the team that we watched, right? it's just there's so much up in the air of this organization right now in running back position like alan has said like like everyone has ever said about it it's just like every single NFL players a depreciated value right again we're taking the humanity out of this every single NFL players the depreciating asset but running backs especially depreciate faster than most yeah it's like that range rover that you take off the lot it just right it depreciates a little bit more than the Toyota Camry the running car I ever had I had one of those oh did you This episode is called Rangerover. This episode brought to you by Rangerover. The running back room behind Jonathan Taylor. Not so great, but there are some youngsters who will, at the very least, have the chance to climb. I think it's a very interesting training camp and position battle coming up here in the next few weeks. We're going to talk about that when the Colt Squad show returns next.

I forgot to add everybody back to the stage. Sorry about that. We're back on the Lockdown Cold Squad show. I'm Derek Shultz, Zach Hicks, Jake Arthur of Lockdown Colts. Alan Pinkett is here as well, former running back, lending his running back expertise as we continue our returning review with Jonathan Taylor. So getting beyond Jonathan Taylor, DJ Giddens is back. And then there is a lot of newness on that depth chart behind him.

Rookie Seth McGowan, Ulysses Bentley, the fourth who's actually been with the team. And I'm just hoping he makes the team because, God, that is a hell of a name. And then Lincoln Perry as well, part of that depth chart too. Zach, I feel like you and Jake are the people that we lean on for this stuff because I haven't watched a ton of film of any of these guys. I mean, we obviously saw DJ Giddens in action last year and it was not a great rookie season for him. But what are your opinions on some of the guys and making up the depth behind Jonathan Taylor or at the running back position? Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's like the worst thing ever. It's just a lot of unknowns when it comes to the running back room behind Taylor.

Taylor where with DJ Giddens, I know we were all pretty excited about him going into his rookie season, but nothing's a guarantee for you when you're a day three pick, especially if you're like a fifth or a sixth round pick, seventh round pick. And that's kind of the range that Giddens was in. And he was a healthy scratch most of the season because he wasn't able to fight his way on the field in a running back room again

that wasn't that strong last year, right? If you could just do the little things, I think he could have cracked that lineup, but he wasn't able to do it. and he kind of had to take a red shirt season. Now, some guys are able to learn from that and thrive the next season. We've seen plenty of cult players do that. Will Fry's I always bring up as like the biggest example of a red shirt rookie season

that came out his second year and was a good NFL player, you know, or at least a passable NFL player. And that's the hope for Giddens, where he can kind of take the lessons he learned from year one and apply them here in year two. And I think Gidon, and I think Seth McGowan can also be a good like short yardage guy and like auxiliary type player for what Jonathan Taylor is. But I don't think there's anybody that really inspires hope if Taylor were to go down. Like I don't think there's like a bell cow really in this running back room.

They would kind of have to be more of a committee approach where like Giddens gets some of the early down stuff. McGowan gets some of the short yardage and red zone stuff and just see what they could do with that. But yeah, we'll see. These guys are going to get their chance to earn the spots behind Taylor. Now the Colts always have the option of going out and getting a a veteran on the open market still like they did last year with Amir Abdullah. But yeah, these guys are going to get their chance at least to start training camp and

we'll see if they can really earn their spot. I will again, just put this out there for the hundred times this off season. You will be the second running back on the Colts if you can pass block. So tell all these young kids in the running back room, whether it's Lincoln Perry, Ulyas Bentley, or it's someone like DJ Giddons or Seth McGowan, pass block and you will be the second running back this year. Amir Abdullah got the running back two spot because of pass blocking and then special teams as well. Just show that you can do those two little things and you will be that second running back because last year, like first half of the season, Jonathan Taylor, big credit for the strides he took as a pass blocker.

But when the Colts started to struggle with pressure like from the Pittsburgh game, the Atlanta game, the Kansas City game, a lot of it was because Taylor's past blocking reverted back down to being very bad. And they just need a guy who can take that off his plate or at least take it more of that office plate, you know, because, again, that's where the offense really started to crumble a little bit in the middle half of the season. So, our middle part of the season. So Seth McGowan, please just pick it up, pick up some run blocking or pick up some pass blocking. DJ Giddens earn that spot by pass blocking. No block, no rock. These guys just show me that you can pass block and I'll call that a win for these young backs behind Jonathan Taylor this off season. Yeah, Derek, credit to the guy who you cheat on us with Jake Quarry, I was on with him yesterday, and he asked me an entire Ulysses Bentley question.

So I really appreciate that because of the name. And then a big Ulysses fan, yes, Jake Quarry. He rolled that into a British accent for quite a while and we had good fun with it. It's amazing. They still let him on the air, but yeah, that's great. I loved it. I love it. No, but like, I know it's far-fetched.

But arguably the running back who has the most utility to the Colts behind Jonathan Taylor for game days is Ulysses Bentley because he plays special teams. And like, he probably can't run the ball very well like in an NFL regular season game, but he can catch it. Like Seth McGowan has his issues. DJ Giddens has his issues. Ulysses Bentley got a little bit of action early in the year last year playing special teams. So I don't think it's super far-fetched. If I had a dark horse to make the Colts roster at running back, it'd probably be him. But aside that, with Giddins and McGowan, I'm a little more encouraged because I, like,

I've been pretty down on Giddens all off season up until the last couple weeks. He looks like, he looks a lot more comfortable out on the field right now. It's just practice and it's not pads, but he does look different than he did last year. He was boring last year in practice because it looked like he was probably overthinking things and just literally trying to execute exactly what the play called for without creating on his own like he did at Kansas State, if that makes sense, just trying to do what is asked of him without letting his instincts as a running back take over. And as a result, you know, he ran into traffic a lot and there was just not a lot of extra yards

there for him to pick up. But he's been making a lot of big plays so far this offseason. He had, God, I think he had two big runs during OTAs. He had a touchdown run of over 10 yards during mini camp this week. And then McGowan has looked pretty good as well. McGowan's not as explosive as Giddens, I would say. But he is like such a determined runner. I was making a comment to someone else the other day.

I was like, there's nothing he does that isn't at 100% effort. he's just he's really fun to watch because he's just he looks like he is trying so hard at every avenue what he's doing so i i'm pretty encouraged by what's behind them i'm just going to kind of wait with baited breath before i say someone's ready to like step up because number one like the thing i keep complaining about is special teams i need to see in training camp that either of these guys are ready to compete there because last year tyler goodson big time special teamer. Amir Abdullah, big time special teamer. Those guys were available and active every week. DJ Giddens was someone they were really high on, but was active for nine games because he had

no special teams background. He wasn't a past protector. He didn't have intimate knowledge of the system. So I'm hoping another year in the system for Giddens, understanding all that stuff. Another year with the same running back coach, D'Andre Smith, maybe some special teams. And then I I like McGowan's ability just to, you know, if you need a guy to go in there and get two yards, he is going to absolutely get those two yards or die trying. That's just the type of guy he is. So I don't think they have any stars behind Taylor. And if something were to happen to him, I think they would take a major step back as a rushing team.

But I think it would maybe be passable. I'm encouraged by what I've seen this offseason to think that it, that they're, could be a compliment on this team. But, I mean, we got to see pads get put on first. But I will say it looks better this time this year than it did this time last year. So I look at the economics of the running back room. And, you know, one of the things I see is you got a seven-figure running back. And you're trying to be as cheap as possible with who's backing them up.

because that's how you stay under the cap. Now, when you're trying to be as cheap as possible for the guy that's backing up Jonathan Taylor, you know, that's a third day guy, some kind of free agent. You know, there's a big difference between a running back to get drafted on day one and day three. You know, the day one running back is your home run hitter where the day three guy, usually you're looking for them to do special teams only and maybe spell the running back a little bit. But here's what happens to running backs. If they're a good running back in college, they're not playing a single snap of special teams.

You know, they are counted on to run to football. So now all of a sudden they come up to the NFL and you throw them on special teams. And it's almost like an insult. It's like, wait a minute, I'm a runner. What the hell are you putting me on pump return team for to block this 250 pound defensive end? That was one of my arguments when I went to Green Bay. It's like if you're going to put me on a punt return team, put me back deep. Don't put me blocking this ass wife who's over there who outweighs me by 50 pounds.

But if you want to stay in the league long, look at the guys. who did play Amir Abdullah, what, it was his ninth year. He figured it out. Yeah, he figured it out. The way to stay in the league is special teams. You know, but I will say that I agree with Zach, the first one that shows that they can pass block

will be an adequate number two. And you're looking for someone who can spell Jonathan Taylor, but he's just so good at what he, he does. And, you know, we talk about Seth McGowan getting short yards. Jonathan Taylor weighs more than he does. You know, so Jonathan Taylor can get those same short yards as Seth McGowan. You know, I would love to see, though, there be some diversity in the backfield in terms of style. You know, I think all the runners that they have now are pretty much clones of Jonathan Taylor. You know, not talent-wise, but there's no differentiation.

And so I would prefer to see that. And lastly, I'm willing to give DJ Giddens a pass because I think about my rookie year, I think it was trash. You know, so sometimes as a rookie, it's a year where you just have to learn how to be a pro. I have confidence, all the confidence in the world, he will come back being a much better player in his second year because he would have figured some things out after going through his rookie season. You know, one of the big things you go through as a rookie is you've been watching these guys play while you're in college. Every Sunday, you're turning TV on and you're watching these guys play. Next thing you know, you're in camp with these guys. and there's there's a little bit of idolatry.

There's a little bit of looking up to these guys, you know, until one of them, you know, smacks you in the mouth, or then you got a man up and smack them in the mouth. And then you figure out, oh, okay, they put their pants on the same way I put mine on. And they're just another player. So now I can go out and play. So DJ Giddens is going to be much better. But I just think the economics of the room dictate that you're not going to have

strong second back. Yeah, I mean, we'll see in Westfield. This is definitely one that I think a lot of us have circle to see how this plays out. I think this is very much up in the air. And you wouldn't say that about several other positions that are on the Colt step charts. So while it may not be great, I think RB2, RB3 and how it lays out is certainly interesting here moving forward. When we come back for a final time on the Colts squad show, the Monday Night Miracle in Tampa,

Lux Superman Dive against Casey in the playoffs. There are plenty of epic. all-time Colts comebacks. We'll talk about a few of our favorites next. Back for a final time, locked on Colts squad show. Thanks so much for being here. I always like when we kind of play the remember when game on the show. We usually do that during the final segment because there's a lot of fun Colts history and a lot of times focusing on the fun history is better than focusing

on the present status of the Indianapolis Colts. But I was thinking about this during the NBA finals comeback slash meltdown because that's really what it takes. And when we talk about some of these Colts comebacks, it also took some melting down from their opponents to make them possible. But, you know, I had mentioned a few of the most prolific ones. I think I'm going to go with a little bit more of a deep cut for mine. But, Zach, I want to start with you. And look, full disclosure, I know you didn't really start following the team until 10 years ago before you dove in head first to the Colts. I'm assuming you're going to choose something from that era. But when I say comeback in Colts in a positive way, so

no mentions of Minnesota from a couple of years ago. What comes to mind for you? Yeah. So before I say my actual answer, because I'm going to just pick the most obvious one, I think. There has been seven 20 point comebacks in Indianapolis Colts history, right? There's seven 20 or more point comebacks in the history of this organization, right? One of them has come in the Chris Ballard era.

Alan, I don't think you're going to get it. But Jake Derek, do you know what that one game is? So the deficit would have had. to be 20 points. 20 or more. Yep. In the Chris Ballard era, one time they came back from it. I don't know it.

It would have had to been one where they were down early. Early. It was in the first quarter and a half of the game. Ballard era. So 2017. It wouldn't have been 2017. No, but actually, that's the second best comeback was I think Jacoby and 2017 came back down like 17 against the Jaguars or something.

Or not Jaguars. somebody that season. So that was the second. You got his ass kicked to get to get some of my. Am I going to be mad when you say it or is it one of those like you, you probably didn't realize that they were trailing by, I don't know, 21-0 or something? So in the year we remember it. So I'll just say it right now.

In the year we did talk about this a lot. Wait, wait, wait, did you say they won? They won the game, yeah. They have to win, yeah. So it was the Cincinnati Bengals in 2020, Joe Burroughs' rookie season. The Colts were down 21-0 early in the second quarter. Then Philip Rivers won an absolute. heater to close that game out.

That was in that middle of the season stretch where Rivers was just carrying them to victories. That was the game where I felt he mastered, he took control of the offense and they took off from there. Yeah, I believe they won 34, 31, but they were down 21 nothing early. And that was in Indy. Yeah, that was in Indy. And I think either the week after or the week before, they had like a big beat down

on like Detroit with Stafford or whatever. So they were just on a roll in the middle of that season there and route to the Colts the latest playoff appearance, obviously in 2020. That was their last playoff appearance with this team. So I did want to go a little shout out for the one big comeback I've covered, which was that one. They also had a very notable comeback again. It was in 2023 against the Pittsburgh Steelers down 13 to nothing on a Saturday game

at home. And we all thought, oh, this is another Steelers Colts game. Colts ended up winning that game 31 to 13 after being down 13. I said they dominated them. Yeah. So those are the two shoutouts I wanted to make for my era of covering the Colts. But I think the obvious one is just the Andrew Luck and Kansas City Chiefs. I mean, that's the biggest one in franchise history.

I think it's the second biggest one in playoff history now. I think it got beat by the Jaguars and Chargers a couple years ago where Lawrence threw like five picks in the first half and they came back in one in that one. But yeah, the Andrew Luck and Kansas Chiefs one is just historic for so many reasons. I mean, so many great moments from that game. I remember my buddy and I were watching. We were watching the games because this is what, 2015, right? So I think I was a senior in high school.

We were watching the game, or 2014. January of 20, wait, no, January 2014, because it was the 2013 season. So 2014, yeah. So I was junior in high school is what it was. And we were watching the games that weekend. And we turned that game off because it was such a beatdown. We were like, we can't watch this. And then they scored like a game or they scored like a touchdown or two.

And we turned it back on just for, you know, like, oh, okay, maybe they might make a game of it. And then you just saw historic play after historic play. Ty Wylton going crazy. The Andrew Luck Fumble Recovery diving over the, I mean, so much. It's the moment. Yeah, it was just. I mean, of Andrew Luck's career, it's the moment.

I think that people most remember. Right. It was just the perfect game for, I mean, not the perfect game, obviously. They were down by like 30 points or whatever it was or 28. But yeah, it was incredible. Very, very fun to watch. And yeah, the highlights of Andrew Lux's career and kind of a glimpse of what he could have been without all the injuries in the NFL.

So yeah, it's easily that one, but I did want to give a shout out to Philip Rivers comeback against the Bengals for sure, because that's the biggest one I've seen. The Colts don't have many comebacks in the Chris Ballard era. I think they only have, I think in the Chris Ballard era, they have two, two comebacks to 14 or more points of the deficit. And there was in 2017 and 20, no, sorry, three, 2017, 2017, 2018, because against the Giants in 2018, they came back down. three scores and then 2020 with Phillip River.

So no big comeback since 2020 for the Colts outside of that Steelers one I mentioned on that Saturday was Shane Stuyken. So shout out to my era of Colts here. But yeah, it's obviously Andrew Luck for sure is the big one for me. Derek, I want you and Alan to go first because I actually wrote down five of my favorites. Oh, boy. I want to see if you guys match either. I have a lot.

I wanted to give sort of an honorable mention to the fourth and one game against New England. That's great. Where, yeah, Belichick goes for it. They hit Kevin Falk, I think, in the backfield. And then he throws a touchdown pass to Reggie Wayne. I don't even remember what the, was it? It was it 17, 18. It was something like that.

Yeah, I think so. My all-time favorite, though, this was in 2008, which was one of my favorite cult seasons. And it gets overshadowed because they, They lost in the first round in the Cyphreys Spurals game in San Diego. They ran off nine straight wins that year to end the year. They were down 2710 in Houston with four minutes left. For some reason, they, a cold score a touchdown. That's not Rosencopter game.

That is the Rosencopter game. Save Rosenfels decides, you know what? I'm just going to jump up in the air and try to get this first down. Spins around. Gary Brackett has the slowest fumble recovery touchdown in NFL history. it looked like he was running in slow motion, but it was like 60 something yards. Rosenfeld's fumbles again.

Colts get the ball back. Payton hits Reggie Wayne on a short field. Reggie one-handed catch on that. Yes, and one of the great catches of Reggie Wayne's career. And it just felt like, I mean, I think the Colts were, they'd start in the season three and four. I think even at that point they were, they might have been two and four,

something it was early in that season. It felt like a season saver. And then they kicked off that nine game winning streak right after that. That's still my all-time. favorite but man like i mean i remember watching and i was in college the tampa bay comeback jake on monday night football the leaping penalty um you know everything involved with that uh that was that was an epic one an all-time NFL one there are a lot to choose from here especially from the peyton era yeah i don't have that much to add because i have not spent a lot of time

unfortunately watching the colts but the one that comes to my mind and you might have to correct me. It may not have been a comeback, but against Atlanta in Berlin, wasn't that a comeback win? Yeah, I think they had a big. Yeah. So that's what, yeah. I mean, because it did go in overtime, right? They were trailing. They had to get three to get it to overtime and Jones had to, it was what, third and 22 when he scrambled to get it to a fourth and two opportunity for them. So that was, that was big. I mean, at the time, we thought it was like going to be, you know, something that kept their season going strong and ended up being like the last big hurrah of the Yeah, it's the last time, it's the last time we saw him win.

Yeah. And they trill with other two minutes. I mean, they got the ball, right? They got the ball back and had to, yeah. So it's recent history, but it's the only history I've got. Yeah, I will say too. Although I remember, I just, I still remember Jim Harbaugh, as awkward as he was, winning a lot of games and having the captain come back.

Yeah. So was, was the Harbaugh, he? of 95 because that was the year. Because I saw on the list, again, the 20 plus point ones. It was the Peyton versus Tampa. It was luck against Kansas City. There was one from like the 50s.

And then you just saw all these ones from 95 where they came back down 21. That's why he's in the ring of honor now. Yeah, I believe they had two games where they were down 21 nothing, 21 nothing or 243. And they won 27, 24. Yeah. Both of them.

Yep. I saw that when I was looking at the list earlier. Is that one of your choices, Jake? Or what's your choice? Actually, no, so let's go through the biggies real quick, obviously. Colts Buccaneers, they were down by 21 points. They won an overtime. Four minutes left to go.

They make their comeback. The AFC championship game, guys, down by 18 to the Patriots, to get them to the Super Bowl. That was a big one. The Chiefs, obviously, everyone know that, down by 28 points. Then I've got some more modest ones. Derek, you might remember this one. 2002 week 12 Sunday night football Colts in Denver in the snow yes Mike van der jack had been

playing awful but reeled off two late field goals one of them in overtime again long field goals too yes yeah Mike Vanderjack you know as much as we all love him so much was able to save that game and then I think my other one that's a little more modest is Andrew luck's rookie year 2012 of week 13 against the lions. That comeback, you know, Levan Brazil with the big, such a fun game. Donnie Avery.

I think that was a buzzer beater. Luck to Donnie Avery. Was that the one where he threw it to him and he almost outran him into the end zone, like on the drag route? Yeah, I remember that one. Well, Jake, you know, Lux rookie year, the Packers game,

they were down 213. That was a big one too. The orange gloves, Reggie Wayne, Chuck Begano game, right? That's a memorable Colts game, too. That was a comeback. That was, that was, that whole season was, like magical comeback. Yeah, it was great.

That was crazy. That, yeah, that Packers one's one's a good one. By the way, I have a deep cut here for long time Colts listeners. When you mentioned the Colts Tampa Bay comeback, does anybody want to guess who ended up scoring the game tying? Okay, so you're

All right, that's our show for tonight, guys. Thanks so much for tuning out. Yeah, here's another funny one to add in there. Of the seven games the Colts I had that were 20 plus comebacks, 20 plus point comebacks, right? one of them at 28, the other six were all 21 point comebacks. So 21 is the golden number with this franchise. So we'll let team score 21 on us.

And then it's on from there, baby. Like we are coming back from that. Got the right where we want you. Rookie Anthony Richardson almost had their most recent great comeback. He reeled off 20 points against the Rams. Yeah, that was a great game. I think that was 20 to nothing, I want to say. 20 or 21 forced overtime.

and they lost them back. Yeah, but we don't have many in the Chris Ballard era. Was that week two or week one? Two. Week one was Jacksonville because he got knocked out of that game and Menshoe had to finish it. And then it was week two, I think. Yeah.

Well, week that one, too. It was the Ravens game. Yeah. I think he had the concussion. I don't know. But week five is when they played the Titans at home and he got knocked out for the year. Yeah. Because it was his fourth game, but he had missed, he had missed Baltimore because of a concussion.

Yeah, the most, the best thing to kind of show like the volatility of Anthony Richardson is that Rams game, where in the first half, I believe he completed about 20% of his passes. And the second half, he averaged over 10 yards per attempt in that comeback effort. They were just spamming forverts the entire fourth quarter in that comeback. And he hit Drew Ogletree on a couple. He hit Michael Pittman on a couple. We have a comment that here talking about Richardson versus the page. Patriots as well.

You know, if we just limit comeback to being like final drive, you know, I think there's fourth quarter, down seven or down by two scores and coming back to win. I think there's a couple that you can throw in from the Ballard era, especially the Richardson one versus Patriots is really fun. And a couple ones that certainly fall in that category. A couple, I mean, I don't think this was a comeback, but again, we just have to throw it in here because he's a started quarterback again. But like the way that Jacochiqi Brisset closed out the Broncos in that one where he threw

off von Miller in the end. Oh, yeah. He threw off, I think it was von Miller in the end zone and threw it out the quote. I don't know if they were trailing in that one, but we just have to shout out Jacoia Bressett's really quick. Throw of his life, right? That sideline throw was, was unbelievable. It led people to say really ridiculous, irrational things about Jacoby Burset, but man, it was a hell of a throw. Yeah, right, right. That was his hardball run, was that one game at least. Because he was, he was never an MVP candidate, guys. Sorry. Right. Right. Those clips aged very poorly. Thanks so much for joining us on the latest edition of the Colts Squad Show.

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