Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - FREE AGENCY: Does Trey Hendrickson Make Sense as an Indianapolis Colts Target on the Open Market?

Starting point is 00:00:01 Pass rusher, Trey Hendrickson is finally free from the Cincinnati Bengals. So will we finally get that reunion with Luana Rumo? Let's get to it. You are Locked on Colts, your daily Indianapolis Colts podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. Welcome to Locked on Colts, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network. Now the number one sports podcast network around. Hello, everyone.

Starting point is 00:00:35 My name is Zach Hicks, your resident film nerd. of Horseshoe huddle.com. And I'm joined today by Destin Adams from A to Z Sports, your guys favorite Colts guy out there, besides me and Jake, obviously. We love Destin here on Locked-on Colts, even with this gyrating camera that you guys can see on YouTube today. But Destin is here to talk all about free agency,

Starting point is 00:00:57 and we are going to break away a little bit from the sobbing over the Alec Pierce decision, from talking about Daniel Jones with the transition tag, and just talk about other free agency aspects for this Colts team before Monday kicks off the biggest event of the NFL calendar. We're going to kick it off obviously by talking about Trey Hendrickson because can we really go in offseason without talking Trey Hendrickson at this point? So we'll spend the whole first segment just talk about the pros and cons of that veteran pass rusher. Then we'll dive into some other free agent targets. And I know Jake and I have talked about a lot this off season, but we're going to get Destin's viewpoint on a couple guys. and also look at how maybe Bobby O'Caricay shakes up this linebacker free agent market.

Starting point is 00:01:40 We'll talk about that. And then to close it out, there's been a pretty active trade market in the NFL this offseason, including DJ Moore getting traded today, Trent McDuffie getting traded a couple of days ago as well. So could we see the Colts get in on that trade market, whether it's trading away players or trading four players. We'll close out the show with that. But Destin, kicking this off with Trey Hendricks. because he is the big money man here in Indianapolis. I don't think there's ever been a player who's made

Starting point is 00:02:09 in Indianapolis like Colts fans or content creators like more money the last two years than Tram and Tramendrickson. So we are talking about him for maybe the final time. And because obviously free agency starts Monday and we'll see where he ends up. But if he's finally free from the Cincinnati Bengals, the Colts don't have to give up any draft picks to go after him. So as long as they're able to move some money around, like we all expect them to be able to do by Monday.

Starting point is 00:02:35 They can actively negotiate with Trey Hendrickson, a player they tried to trade for, we all assume they tried to trade for during last season. Yeah, I mean, Trey Hendrickson's been linked to the Colts so much. You'd think he was a cold at one point. Just one of those great former Colts that we talk about all the time. Instead, he's just a almost cult 20,000 times,

Starting point is 00:02:55 it feels like over the last year and a half. Yeah, he's officially going to be available. I think that makes it way more appealing, for a team like the Colts that was struggling to feel out if Cincinnati was ever really interested in pulling off a trade, if it felt like they were just talking to themselves on those phone calls, like the rest of the NFL felt like when they were talking to Cincinnati about trading for a star player. So the fact that he's going to be available is appealing.

Starting point is 00:03:22 And it makes sense the Colts have such a clean slate in the edge rusher room that you feel like they'd have to at least negotiate there. Now, I think when it comes to Hendrickson, the big part here is going to be there's so many teams that need to upgrade their pass rush, and there's only one Max Crosby team out there. Only one person's going to pull off that trade. And if Max Crosby's off the board, it feels like Trey Hendrickson's going to be that next guy that's going to slide up on those teams boards.

Starting point is 00:03:49 Now, the Coulter not typically the team that's going to win a bidding war if it comes to free agency. So does Trey Hendrickson like Lou Aniromo enough and like Marlon enough that he wants to play for those guys enough to take a slight pay cut to be in a spot that he wants to be in. He just spent the last year in a place he didn't want to be in. So I feel like that may play in the Colts factor, but I also think the Colts have put themselves in a tough spot because they're not going to hit Monday with priority one being Trey Hendrickson.

Starting point is 00:04:20 They're going to hit Monday and priority one is most likely still going to be Alec Pierce. Yeah, and Daniel Jones as well, you know, after Daniel Jones sees what his market looks like. So that is a great point to include there. But I expect the Colts to at least make the call on Trey Hendrickson. It's just like you mentioned, it's going to be difficult to outbid like a team like Washington, right, who has been all in with these veteran players the last couple years with their quarterback on the rookie contract. It just makes a lot of sense from Washington's perspective. Dallas, we know, is aggressively making some calls about edge rushers.

Starting point is 00:04:53 Max Crosby obviously included it, I think, in terms of what they're going for. Chicago, I think, could be involved in Trey Hendrickson. So it is going to be a very tough market, I think, for the Colts. And like you said, it comes down to how much he values Luanna Rumo, Marlon Hobby as well at the defensive line coach, or Marion Hobby at defensive line coach. So, yeah, there's going to be a lot of factors at play here. But just looking at Hendrickson as a player and kind of looking at the pros and cons of

Starting point is 00:05:18 going after him. Since 2020, he has third in the NFL in Sacks among edge rushers, only behind Miles Garrett and T.J. Watt. he has 74.5 in that six-year span. So averaging well over 10 a season, and that's with him only playing seven games last year. Obviously, again, that overlap with Anirumo in Cincinnati is big. That's where his biggest production came.

Starting point is 00:05:39 Two 20-Sack seasons in Cincinnati under Lou Aniromo. But that is kind of the past. You know, it's a couple years ago. If we're looking at just what last year looked like, limited to just seven games with that. Was it a hip injury, Destin? Or I think it was a hip injury last year. that kind of left him out of some games.

Starting point is 00:05:58 Now, the talk in Indy during the combine was that most teams around the league feel as if he probably would have been able to play through it if he was in a situation where he was under a contract that he felt was helping him out in the longevity of his career. That obviously wasn't the case. So I do think the hip injury mattered last year. But from people around the league, they seemed to think he was a guy that probably could have played through it if he was in a better situation. Yeah, and then just adding to that, even though, even if it wasn't as serious as what it seemed last year, you still got to be a little concerned about a 31-year-old player in the NFL having that limited amount of action in a season. So he's going to turn 32 during next season. In December of next season, he'll be turning 32 years old.

Starting point is 00:06:43 Edge rushers have a little bit more longevity than the position like receiver or running back, but there still is that expected falloff coming soon. So if you give him like a three-year contract, is he playing all three years on that contract? probably not i don't think he's getting to that third season maybe not even the second season so this might be like a one year mercenary type thing uh and then one more factor i wanted to throw in here dustin before i throw it back to you just to give your overall thoughts on this fit he was a pretty awful run defender in Cincinnati throughout pretty much his entire time uh so i do worry about a player who's getting older who just wasn't a very good run defender anyway right throughout his whole time giving him that kind of

Starting point is 00:07:22 contract that might be close to like 30 million dollars in the season you know 28 million dollars in the season, whatever it's going to be. I do worry about that kind of player because it might turn into like a designated pass rusher situation. And then he's not really impacting the game in every single way, like a Miles Garrett or a T.J. Watt or some of these other guys who are making similar dollars. So I think there are some pros and cons here. Obviously, he gave the Colts an elite sack creator that they haven't had in a long time. But there are a lot of risk with his age, the injury last season, and already some of the deficiencies in the run game that he showed the last couple years. I think a big part of it also is just going to be figuring out what they want in terms of,

Starting point is 00:08:03 is this signing that's going to happen at Edge Rush or someone that they want the best year of that contract to be in 2026? Or is that somebody that they want to kind of grow into that contract in the 27, 28 range of when their best ball is going to be played in Indianapolis? And if the answer is you want the best ball to be 2026 and you're going to make a lot of different moves to try and fix this defense quickly, then I could see why Trey Hendrickson ends up being the number one guy on that board because I think that would equal that. But if the answer is that you want to be good in 2026 and compete in 2026, but also look towards 27 and 28 and just continuing to ascend a little bit on the defensive side of the ball, then I do think it's a little bit harder to buy. into the Trey Hendrickson for a large contract type of mindset. Now, I think we'll find out a lot of that in terms of how the Colts decide to create this cap space they're going to have to create because if the way they do that is releasing or trading players to where their cap doesn't just leave the books in 26, but also leaves the

Starting point is 00:09:08 books later, then I think that would point a little bit more towards the need, not needing to be this year alone. Now, if we see some extensions and some restructures and they push money down the road into 27 and 28, it's going to become pretty obvious that the Colts are really wanting to bank a lot on the 2026 season. So I think we're going to watch that and we'll see where that lands on which edge rusher would be their top preference. Yeah, no, I completely agree. Real quick, though, before we get out of this first segment, where do you fall on it personally? just you not even like what you like what you've heard or anything like that where do you personally fall on signing tr Hendrickson because i think for me i'm leaning towards no like i'm not going to throw a fit if they sign him because we're getting the best sack creator they've had since robert mathis like it's not going to be that upsetting for me but i do think i probably lean towards no even though i want to be like this kind of all-in season next year i just i'm scared of that age and and the contract and some of the deficiencies on film

Starting point is 00:10:12 Trey Hendrickson is the Colts best bet at having an above average pass rush next season. I think when you're looking at the options on the market, I think there are other guys that could exceed expectations down the road. But in terms of giving you a unit that can affect the passer and just be in a much improved unit as a next season, like I think Trey Henderson is the best Band-Aid fit that's out there. So I guess I say I lean yes. The Colts have just put so much into next season. They traded for Sauce Gardner.

Starting point is 00:10:42 They've transitioned tag Daniel Jones. We don't know what's happening with Alec Pierce yet, but if he's back, like, you're going to expect that they're going to have to overpay. So, like, I just think there's so much being invested in the 26th season that your move at EdgeRusher has to have that year in mind primarily. And then you can make other moves to try and fill for the future as well. So I guess I lean yes, even though I think the thought of giving him $30 million is, assinine, but free agency is an asinine place, Zach. It is. It very much is. Coming up, though, we're to continue this conversation about free agency, some of Destin's top targets on the open market. And also, if Bobby O'Carkey hitting that market, changes anything for the Colts

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Starting point is 00:12:52 this conversation going on discord join the club at locked on colts dot supercast dot com to join or even gift a subscription to that special someone i know that's the perfect gift for a loved one out there we're back talking free agency though with deston adams from a to z sports and before we get into some of your targets, Destin. A lot of Colts fans are clamoring for the reunion between the Colts and Bobby O'Caricay. Now, the coaching staff that was here when O'Kareke was here last time is completely revamped, right? The defensive coaching staff has gone through multiple changes since then.

Starting point is 00:13:25 I do find it interesting, though, that the Colts have a lot of Giants coaches or former Giants coaches on staff right now. So Jerome Henderson, overlapped with O'Kareke with the Giants for a couple of years there. And then on the offensive side of the ball, Tony Sprono Jr. and a Colts running back coach as well. We're also in New York at the same time as O'Kareke. So there is a little bit of familiarity still with some of the players on the roster as well, but still drastically different situation.

Starting point is 00:13:51 And for a Colts team that wants to get younger, wants to get faster, like Chris Ballard has said all offseason, does signing or going after a 29-year-old Bobby O'Karek makes sense to you? Yeah, I mean, to me, a lot of us going to depend on, I mean, ironically, one of his former teammate Zaire Franklin and what the Colts decide to do there because to me, I don't see a way that Chris Ballard, who is a linebacker drafter through and through, doesn't look at this class and it's just licking his lips. I mean, there's just so many guys in this class that can work in the 2026 class, which is not a very deep class in a lot of positions. So to me, if you're going to go

Starting point is 00:14:32 out and get a veteran in free agency, I still feel like you're going to want room to play some of these young guys. So like I don't see a world where it makes sense to be this younger and faster that he's decided to patent himself for what the defensive side of the ball is going to be every time he speaks in a microphone this offseason and then go out and you're starting linebackers next year or Zaire Franklin and you bring in about to be 30 year old Bobby O'Caricay. I think O'Caricay is still playing good football though. I think he's coming off good football in New York. I think two years ago he was hurt. He was able to kind of come back this year and play at a high level. level still. I really do feel like he'd be an upgrade to what they had, obviously. And I think

Starting point is 00:15:13 he's in a situation to where he could not come at a very high dollar amount. A lot of times when guys are released and you're going to get paid by their former teams, they're going to take a little bit of a pay cut in terms of that first year because they're already going to be being paid. And in this case, he'll be being paid by the Giants. So I think it makes sense if you're able to move off Zeyer Franklin and then you bring in a veteran off the free agency market. and then you target linebacker once or maybe twice in the upcoming class to really start to add that youth behind a veteran to kind of teach them a little bit. And there's a few different veterans that are on the free agency market linebacker that would work for the Colts if that's the path they take. Yeah, no.

Starting point is 00:15:54 So I think O'Caricane makes some sense. I wouldn't go crazy either way about that kind of signing. I think he's played some good football. But again, he's getting a bit older. I think there was a bit of a step back the last two years compared to what it looked like early on with the Giants. So we'll see. I wouldn't hate the reunion though, but I do think, like you said, it kind of hinges on what they do with Zaire Franklin and his contract.

Starting point is 00:16:15 But looking at other free agents, you know, we talk Hendrickson, we talk Bobby O'Caricay, who are some other guys on your short list that you have circled like, hey, these guys could make sense for the Colts as long as they're able to clear money and work the Daniel Jones and potential Alec Pierce contracts the way they want? Who are some other guys that you have kind of on your short list for the Colts? Yeah, I mean, I think when you're looking at the edge rusher position, earlier we talked about how like if they decide they want the best year of that ed rushers career to be in 2026 on that contract then trey henderson makes sense i think of a guy you're willing to kind of let ascend on that contract like i think boy amoffa from seattle is a guy that hasn't had the like it's not been all gas um in seattle he he's been able to be pulled out been very rotational here and there um but it has made a lot of flashes that i think are enough to be excited about and free agency, which to me has been a lot of Chris Ballard's best free agent signings.

Starting point is 00:17:12 Like that mold of free agent is usually where he's been able to get his best bang for his buck. And I think Boyamoffa is not going to be a guy that is going to end up being a top five paid eddresser in this free agency class, even though I think he should be. And ironically, I think someone that's going to jump into that top five is a cult in-house guy and Quitty pay. And I think Boyamafa is probably going to get less than Quitty's going to get on the open market and I would rather have wayamatha if I was in charge of an NFL team and I think he would be able to start day one opposite of leotu lot too and I think you'd be able to kind of see him ascend

Starting point is 00:17:47 um and during that contract if it's a three year contract like I truly believe he'd be better in 27 and 28 than he's going to be in 26 um but I really do think he's a guy that would make a lot of sense for indie if that's the process they decide to take yeah the cults have always kind of been towing this line of being a like retooling team with that also wants to contend, right? Like, again, I always go back to 2022 when they brought back the whole roster, but with a rookie quarterback in there as a starter. So just kind of that like best of both worlds or I guess worst of both worlds in a lot of ways

Starting point is 00:18:22 as well. And I think a player like boy Mafa just kind of makes a lot of sense from the sense of like, we want to be better next season. I think he's an upgrade over what Quitty Pay just gave them last year. But also, it's not a guy. where like if you have to blow this thing up after the season, you're fine with keeping him under contract the next couple of years. He's a good young player, really great run defender.

Starting point is 00:18:43 I think there are some really good moments in pass rush. And I think he is due for a bigger role. He's kind of like a Samson-Ebacom plus type player for me, where it's like when the Colts went out and signed Abbecom a couple years ago, he was an ascending young player who had his best year with the Colts in that first year of that contract. I think this is like a plus situation where I think he's a bit better than what Ebukom was coming into Indy.

Starting point is 00:19:05 So I completely agree with that. Do you have a couple other players that you want to go through real quick here in this segment, though? Yeah, I can go a little bit faster than I did on Motha. No, you're good. I think that's one of the top targets I would have. So I agree with going longer on that guy for sure. I think another guy like AJ and Vanessa from Buffalo would really fit

Starting point is 00:19:25 kind of like what Lou usually looks at in terms of edge rushers, a bigger body, able to use a little bit more power. I think he'd probably fit well with what Leatu does. I think you'd be expecting Latu to take another step as a pass rusher if that Vanessa is the guy you go after, but I think it would make sense. If you're willing to draft an edge rusher high and then bet a little bit on a free agent, I think Kingsley Ingabare, I think it's how you say his last name. But, I mean, I definitely could be wrong.

Starting point is 00:19:56 But Kingsley, I'll say that, out of Green Bay. I think he flashed a lot this past year. And again, kind of like Mafa, but even more so, was really only rotational. And I really feel like as you saw the year go on, like he really started to flash more and more, even with his smaller snap count. I think he's, again, the type of free agent that Chris Ballard usually circles, seeing that he was really starting to flash in a small role elsewhere, can he take that step with a bigger role?

Starting point is 00:20:24 I also think he's not going to come at a high enough dollar amount to where the Colts could still draft an edge rusher on day two. and you kind of would be able to have a little bit of a quote-unquote competition come training camp in terms of who's going to start opposite of Latu. It's not going to be the signing that's going to excite fans right away, like, oh, and oh my gosh, we fixed the pass rush overnight. But I do think for the amount that I think he's going to end up getting on the free agency market, he's another guy that I think Quitty pays leaving the Colts. He's going to get paid more than I would pay him.

Starting point is 00:20:54 I think Kingsley's a guy that is going to come at a lower dollar amount, And I think he's going to outplay what Quitty does on his next contract. Yeah, no, I don't disagree. I do love the shout, though, with I Pena S as well from Buffalo, because that feels like such a Luana Rumo type of player where he has the body type I'm looking for. He's had some flashes. I can get more out of him. I don't want to make the one-to-one comparison here because it's very different.

Starting point is 00:21:17 But I remember what Trey Hendrickson was going into Cincinnati, right? A big-bodied flashing pass rusher who wasn't fully put together gets to Cincinnati and becomes this star. I could see Lou viewing it from a similar lens as that with Ebenez from Buffalo. So I do like that as a sneaky signing for the Colts. And then again, real quick, I'm going to push you. Be quick with this one. Real quick with this one, okay? I'm going to put it on you.

Starting point is 00:21:42 Non-pass rosters, who do you got? I mean, earlier I talked about linebacker. Like, I think there are some young options in free agency. But to me, if you're going to go sign a linebacker, because of how much I like this draft class, I would want it to be an older guy. and I think looking at him like if you want to go older, DeMario Davis is the definition of older, Zach. But I think DeMario Davis, even at 37 years old, is going to play at a higher level than what the Colts had at linebacker last year. So if you're able to move on, I think DeMario Davis is a guy that makes a lot of sense.

Starting point is 00:22:12 Yeah, at least you didn't say Bobby Wagner. So I will take that. Hey, you don't want a second team all pro Bobby Wagner on your team next year, Zach? Oh my gosh. Yeah, the pity all pro that he gets every year in the twilight of his career. Coming up, though, guys, that's not. the only thing going for with the Colts is free agency. There's also the trade market, a very active trade market around the league. Could we see the Colts get in on it, either from selling

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Starting point is 00:23:58 every day is we are back for a final time today to talk about the trademark. a big part of why I want to have this conversation is we've had two major trades go down the last couple of days, Destin, from DJ Moore getting moved to the Buffalo Bills today and Trent McDuffby getting moved to Los Angeles Rams a couple days ago. And it does appear to be a bit more active this year. And also in just recent years in general when it comes to trade markets. So I wonder if we could see the Colts get involved here. Chris Ballard has made some notable trades in the past, either trading four players or trading players away. And to kind of start, I do

Starting point is 00:24:32 think we're going to see at least a little bit of movement with them trading away players. Most notably Anthony Richardson at some point this offseason. And maybe after seeing the DJ Moore comp, Michael Pittman Jr. could make more sense as a track. Like I've been thinking all offseason like you'd get like a fifth rounder for him. But if the bills are giving up a second round pick for DJ Moore, maybe you could get like a third or a fourth for Pittman. Like again, you don't do this if you don't get my, uh, Alec Pierce back.

Starting point is 00:24:58 So that's going to be the big part of it. but if they do ink Alec Pierce to an extension, I mean, in this receiver market, maybe it makes sense to trade Pitman for like, again, like a fourth or maybe you get back a third while giving a fifth or something like that. Maybe the Colts could do something like that. Yeah, I mean, I think the Colts would be crazy to not at least raise their eyebrows a little bit when you see DJ Moore go for a second.

Starting point is 00:25:22 And I believe Chicago also gave a fifth. So I don't know what the trade calculator brings that in at, maybe a third, maybe a little bit. It probably plays it in as like a mid third because I think it was a late second that the bills are given up. So a late second for a fifth and a player, that's like an earth. That's basically like a mid third value for DJ Moore, who the bills are on the hook for like $40 million guaranteed the next two years.

Starting point is 00:25:49 And he's like 30. He's like 29, 30 years old. That's crazy good value for the bears to get that back. Yeah. And to me, if the Colts can get a top 100 pick, like even if you look at those comp picks, come in the third round that these teams are going to get granted here in the next week or so. Like to me, I'd pull the trigger.

Starting point is 00:26:06 Like I think getting off the cap hit that would be there for for Pittman, most of it, obviously, you're going to be on the hook for some of it. But getting a top 100 pick, no matter how the evaluation comes in there, I guess, if it's a second and you give up a pick to also do it with Pittman. Like I would have did the DJ Moore trade exactly to anyone that wanted it if I were indie. And I think this seeing that happen has to make you raise your eyes a little bit. I think Anthony Richardson is obviously an interesting one that you're going to,

Starting point is 00:26:34 he's going to get traded eventually this offseason. Where is it and how does it go play out? I mean, everyone's favorite spot for Anthony Richardson this offseason has been the Vikings. And now everyone seems pretty certain that Kyler Murray's heading to Minnesota. So if Minnesota is not the landing spot for Richardson, where is it that you trade him? Are you getting a pick for Richardson?

Starting point is 00:26:55 Is it a player for player swap? and you're getting somebody at a position you need. It's a risky but high upside type of player that you can get somebody to buy on Richardson the same way. It's possible. I think cornerback Jalen Jones is another one that he's a young option in the secondary doesn't seem to be a scheme fit for Lou. So maybe his best ball could be played elsewhere

Starting point is 00:27:19 and you can get a pick in a year that the Colts don't have a lot of picks right now. It could make sense. I think the last one would be, if they're able to figure it out. I mean, do you trade Zaire Franklin if a linebacker needy team calls? Yes. If someone wants to take him, I think the most likely situation would be you cut him.

Starting point is 00:27:39 But it feels like every day you see teams say, we're going to cut this guy, but we're going to give you 12 hours to offer trades for him. So if that's what the Colts do, and they find a team out there that is needy for a linebacker right away, I know fans are not the biggest fan of Zeyer, at this point of his career, but he still plays at a high level at times. Like, I think he has parts of his game that can be very useful to certain defenses.

Starting point is 00:28:06 So I could definitely see a world where the Colts make an announcement that they're going to cut Zaire Franklin if no one calls and they're able to flip him for a sixth round pick or something. So if that's the case, then like I would do it if you're going to cut him anyway. Yeah, look, I would love that. I think not to throw cold water on it. I'd be shocked if they got anything for Jones or Zire Franklin. on the trade market. I kind of view Franklin trading away as like the similar to Jermain Pratt being potentially

Starting point is 00:28:31 traded last off season where you're going to hold him and hope that somebody makes a trade for him, but you'll probably just ultimately release him if that's the path they want to go. I do think they could get something for Pittman and they'll certainly get something for Richardson, but we'll just see how that goes for the Colts. But, you know, there's two sides of trading, right? There's trading away players and there's also trading four players. And I have a couple guys on here. One, absolutely not going to happen.

Starting point is 00:28:55 The other two, I think would be interesting. to call about. The first one is the one we actually have to bring up, which is the Max Crosby potential. Like everyone's talking about Max Crosby. Short answer, the Colts don't have the picks to get Max Crosby. They gave all that ammo to get Soss Gardner. So that, you know, they don't have the ammo to get Max Crosby. It would be awesome to get them. But that's just not in the cards for them. But I think two that makes sense to at least call about for the Colts, linebacker Tremade Edmins from the Chicago Bears, who's still like, I think he's only like 26 years old. He's been in the NFL for like a decade.

Starting point is 00:29:28 It feels like at this point. He came in at such a young age that I think he's like 26, 27 years old going on to his third contract soon. And then Jonathan Grenard, the pass rusher from the Minnesota Vikings. I do think Renard, with how nice his contract is the next couple years, might take a top 100 pick to get him. Like I think you'd have to flip like a second or a third probably to get him. But he's been a very productive pass rusher in his career. at both stops with Houston and with Minnesota and, again, a very feasible contract for the acquiring

Starting point is 00:30:00 team. So while I don't think they have any chance of getting Max Crosby, I do think I would at least make a call about Edmonds and Grenard and just see, see if you can work something out. Again, you want to keep some picks if you're the Colts, but I think they would at least intrigue me and they would make the Colts defense much, much better for 2026 and beyond. Yeah, I mean, I think Jonathan Grenard would be a great fit. I mean, I think when you look at his body of work. I know this past season wasn't the pass rush year that he had had in years past. But he fits what Lou likes on the defensive line.

Starting point is 00:30:33 And I think when you're looking at guys that could be a Band-Aid fix for 2026, we mentioned Trey Hendrickson earlier, I think Jonathan Grenard would probably be in that category for me in terms of being a Band-Aid fix that can play right away and fit what Lou needs. I don't know if the Colts are in the place to get rid of a day two pick. and that's what the reported interest is. So could the Colts finagle a way to make a deal whether or not give it up a second or third for him?

Starting point is 00:31:02 I mean, if you get into that realm of conversation, I think it's definitely worth discussing. If Kyler Murray wasn't going there, I would love to find out a way that you could send Anthony Richardson and a pick for Jonathan Grenard, and that be how you kind of maneuver around getting rid of a day two pick. But if Kyler Murray is going there, I just don't see Minnesota being the team trading for Anthony Richardson.

Starting point is 00:31:27 So that'd be my dream trade in terms of how to optimize this Anthony Richardson trade, if you can. I just don't think it's plausible at this point. I don't think I need to spend much time talking about Max Crosby, though, in terms of, I can't imagine what Las Vegas's answer is when we call and say, so we can start with our 28 first round pick. And if the Colts trade their 2028 first round pick and don't have a first for the next three years, the NFL is going to start trying to pull up the NBA's rules in terms of how many picks you can trade in a row. The Colts are going to create rules in the NFL if they do that.

Starting point is 00:32:06 So that's not going to happen. Tremaine Edmins is interesting. I mean, the Bears are going to cut him if they can't find a trade. That's usually the best thing you can hear is a GM on the other side of the phone is, oh, they're going to cut him. So that value can't be too high. Trade Edmonds is a guy that would be a high-level player in terms of what the Colts could add. Again, to me, I'm not trading for a linebacker to play day one if Zaire Franklin's on the roster. If Zaire Franklin's on the roster, I'm not making that trade.

Starting point is 00:32:35 If Zyre Franklin's not on the roster, sending a day three pick for Edmonds, and then you also can go out and draft a couple guys in the upcoming class. The Colts are going to add two comp picks most likely in this next week or so. so they have some maneuvering they could do. I think Tramaine Edmonds would make a lot of sense if the Colts can figure that out. Yeah, Colts are going into the draft as of right now with five day three picks. We'll be more after they're able to trade Richardson and again, potentially Michael Pittman Jr. So they'll have the day three ammo to maybe make a Trimane Edmonds call.

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