Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - How will Jacob Eason fare with Carson Wentz sidelined with foot injury?

Episode Date: August 5, 2021

On today's episode, Evan is joined by Stampede Blue's Stephen Reed to go over all the latest on Carson Wentz's foot injury. With a 5-12 week timetable, there's a chance Wentz misses potentially the first 6-7 weeks of the regular season. How will the Colts adjust without Wentz in the meantime?This is now Jacob Eason's time to shine. For a player projected to be Indy's long-term backup, Eason now steps into the starting role without a single NFL snap logged. Eason has an opportunity to either show the Colts he's potentially the future at QB, or not a solid long-term option.All of this, plus so much more, as the Colts' training camp bad luck continues on. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You are Locked On Colts, your daily Indianapolis Colts podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. Hello everybody, welcome back into the latest episode of Locked On Colts, part of the Locked On Podcast Network. Today's always your host, Evan Sutter, joined by Stephen Reed of Stampede Blue. And we're here for the first time reacting to the Carson Wentz news. A big bummer, Stephen.

I mean, what a way to start training camp for the Colts. You have Frank Wright get COVID-19 and return to practice today for the first time in a week. But Carson Wentz, in his second practice for the Annapolis Colts, after a really strong first few days, injured his foot. He is now officially having surgery on his foot. I believe it was a ligament bone issue in his foot, and he had surgery today in Indianapolis. Officially, the time table, according to Adam Schefter, is 5 to 12 weeks.

That is a massive, massive time frame, Stephen. So it could be either before the regular season when Wentz is back, or it could be up to week eight of the regular season with his foot injury. It all depends on what happens with Carson Wentz and his rehab process. But, Stephen, this is a huge blow for the Colts. All indications are, according to Adam Schefter, Ian Rappaport, and others, that he is going to miss some regular season games with this injury. And if the rehab doesn't go well, Stephen,

he can miss up to almost half the season or at least a quarter of the season for this Colts team. I mean, what's your thoughts on what's happening right now as Jacob Easton is not running the show? But, man, this is really, really tough news for the Colts, especially with the first five games of the season. That is a really tough stretch now. It makes it even more tough.

Yeah. Hey, Evan. Yeah, it's a tough, tough start to the season. It's a tough start to Carson Wentz's tenure here in Indianapolis. The biggest thing is injuries were the big question mark with him in Philly. And he gets here, he goes through like three practices and then gets injured, is going to miss a large portion of the season. From everything that we've gathered, it seems like it's a pretty routine surgery for this. From what Frank Reich said is that he had possibly broken a foot when he was in high school, and it just healed on its own.

And then he did something, and it it cracked and it fractured off. So they've got to go and pull that out. They've got to, I think one doctor popped in, so they might have to reattach a muscle there. So they did say that it was pretty safe procedure. And the only way that he'll miss the 12 weeks is if the rehab and the surge there's some complication with the surgery and the rehab goes bad um or there's some setbacks with the rehab but other than that i think you're going to probably see him back on the the sooner end of that time frame um than we would the later but even if it's the later um i think that the Colts are going to be okay. You know, Jacob Eason had some first-day jitters,

the guy that's running the ones here in the first couple practices. As a reminder, Jacob Eason has never gone against the ones, really, at all. He didn't have training camp last year. He never got to see any game action. I don't know if he was even active for any games last season. So they couldn't even throw him in garbage time to get him acclimated to the speed of the NFL. So this is really the first time he's seeing it for himself as the quarterback. And so I give Jacob Beeson a little bit of a pass here to start the season or start the preseason because, one, he's going up against one of the best defenses he's going to play all season. He's doing it every week.

And, two, he's just getting acclimated to the speed of the NFL in like a real setting. So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt right now. But the timing of this injury really couldn't be worse for Carson Wentz and the Colts because it really does kind of put them in a spot. Like you said, that first part of the season, those first five games are tough. It's probably, you know, outside of Tampa Bay, might be their five toughest games of the season right there, Tampa Bay and Buffalo. They're in the middle toughest games of the season right there, Tampa Bay and Buffalo. They're in the middle, late end of the season.

But outside of that, those first five games are just absolutely brutal, and to do without your quarterback one for that is really, really tough. Just to reiterate the first five games of the schedule here, Seahawks, Rams, at Titans, at Dolphins, at Ravens. That is a murderer's row of a schedule. And if Carson Wentz misses all those games, it's all in Jacob Eason's shoulders. And like you mentioned, Steven, Eason had a rough go of it

in the first few days of training camp, one touchdown, three interceptions. He did bounce back a little bit today. He went around 65% completion percentage, no touchdowns, no picks. But what's your expectations for this Colts offense now with Jacob Eason on board, who wasn't expected to take any snaps this yearts offense now with Jacob Eason on board who wasn't expected to take any snaps this year, but now with Carson Wentz on board, it is a baptism by fire scenario for Eason if he does miss regular season games where the Colts are going to find out right away if Eason has a potential starting quarterback in the NFL.

If all goes well, he could be the future post-Wentz. If not, now the Colts know he's not their answer. Yeah, it's a great opportunity for Jacob Beeson. He's really going to get an opportunity to come out and show what he can do. And it's going to be good for the Colts too, because like you said, it's going to let them know whether he's a legitimate option there at the quarterback position. And Chris Ballard and Frank Reich have been huge on Sam Ellinger all offseason. So I think that he might be one of the guys that they kind of peg as their backup quarterback for the future.

But Jacob Beeson, if he performs well, it gives the Colts options, whether that is they go ahead and let Carson Wentz rehab a little bit longer so then the Colts can potentially keep that first-round pick from the Eagles and only give up that second round pick. It also increases Jacob Eason's potential trade value from a team. You would obviously have him throughout the rest of this season and potentially in through next season, but you'd be in a spot where you could franchise tag him and trade him to another team if you want, or you could potentially trade him here at the deadline.

I don't think they'd do that this year just because of Carson Wentz's potential injuries. But it gives him an opportunity, gives Jacob Eason an opportunity to really see what he can do, and it allows him to put some good tape out there. And I think he's got the weapons to do it. In terms of the offense itself and the dynamic. I don't think it's going to change much because the Colts are going to be a primary run first team.

They're going to rely on that offensive line. Jacob Beeson is going to get plenty of time to throw and he's got a huge arm. And so I'm excited to see what he can do. I expect them to be as Quentin Nelson, the offensive line, Frank Reich, everybody says they're going to be running the damn ball. And so that's going to be a big focus on their offense. And I don't think that was going to change too much, whether it be Carson Wentz or Jacob Eason back there.

I think, honestly, Stephen, we could see a situation where the Colts offense reminds me of 2019 when Jacare Bursette was quarterback, where Frank Reich kind of limited the playbook a little bit for Bursette once Andrew Luck retired shockingly. Very run first team, a lot of checkdowns. We've been hearing a lot of training camps so far. Eason checking the ball down a lot. Maybe that just gained some confidence with his first real reps as a starting quarterback in the NFL. But I think from an offense perspective, maybe it's tapped a little bit into the negative side where maybe unless Easton gets super comfortable over the next six weeks, those deep shots probably go away for a little bit until he's comfortable. Probably a lot of the 2019 version of the Colts offense, we're going to see Easton under center if he does get regular season games.

A lot of Jonathan Taylor, a lot of Marlon Mack, a lot of Naeem Hines out of the backfield. Paris Campbell will be a weapon as well. Michael Pittman. I think his offense will look very similar to what we saw with Jacoby Brissett if Wentz does miss time. I think that's a good comparison

because Frank Reich didn't have a lot of faith in Jacoby Brissett. I will say in terms of pure quarterbacking, I feel like Jacob Eason has a much higher ceiling than Jacoby Brissett ever did. So he really does have the potential to put out some wow throws. Jacoby Brissett never – I mean, he just didn't have the arm for that.

He didn't have the anticipation for it. Jacob Beeson can do that. But I think to start the season, that's exactly what you're going to see. You're going to see Jacoby Bursette 2019. You're going to see Andrew Luck 2018 to start the season where it was a lot of like safer throats to build that confidence to say, okay, yeah, you can do this. Look what you've done so far. I think you're right that they're going to be using Paris Campbell a ton.

They're going to be using nine Hines a ton. And you're going to be seeing Marlon Mack and Jonathan Taylor get a ton of reps. You're going to see Molly Cox and kind of grants and get a lot of reps as well. I left out Michael Pittman jr, but he's, I think he's potentially going to be a wider super one this year, whether that's Jacob Easton thrown in the ball or Carson Wentz. And so I do think that you're going to see a much more watered down offense. I don't think you're going to see the boots, the quarterback rollouts,

all that that you would see under Carson Wentz with him under center. But I think you're still going to see a pretty aggressive offense in terms of not, I don't think you're going to see it. The playbook limited to a point with, as they did with Jacobi reset because they just didn't have faith in Jacobi reset to make throws. I think they're going to have faith in Jacob Beeson to make the throws. I just don't know how aggressive Frank Reich's going to be in terms of

putting the ball in his hands every time, which it's a little different from, from Jacobi reset, aggressive Frank Reich's going to be in terms of putting the ball in his hands every time, which it's a little different from Jacoby Reset, but it's still a much more watered-down offense than what you would expect from Frank Reich if Carson Wentz was a quarterback. BetOnline is the fastest and easiest way to bet on all your sports action. Baseball scenes and full stringer track all the action over BetOnline. We'll be right back. as teams prepare for their runs to the playoffs. Head to the website or use a mobile device right now to sign up today and receive a 50% off welcome bonus to your first deposit. The promo code is LOCKEDON, L-O-C-K-E-D-O-N. Bet online. You're an online sportsbook expert.

Let's say, I mean, just from the scenario we heard yesterday before, quickly, I think Colts and Wentz just decided to go with the surgery. But I think this is a really good scenario for the Colts. Even if Wentz does miss games, I'd rather Wentz get the surgery, have no issues lingering into the late part of the season where there was rumors illustrated from Adam Schefter that Wentz is mulling over just resting this for a month or six weeks before the season started and playing on an injured foot throughout the season.

I feel like getting surgery now is the smartest option because you don't want to have a less than 100% Carson Wentz because that would have limited your playbook. If Wentz gets hurt in the middle of the season instead, their Colts are really in trouble there as far as making a push for the division and the playoffs. I think what the Colts and Wentz decided to do pretty quickly after the news came out and getting surgery instead was the right move.

What do you think? Absolutely. I think the surgery was kind of the no-brainer move for them because in the long term, that's going to be the best option for them. Yeah, he could have gone and tried to rehab that, but if he was able to rehab that, he'd still not have his mobility. There's a chance that he injures it even further and he's out longer or that he just need the surgery. And so when this

surgery itself is one of those safer surgeries where the rehab timetable, yeah, it's a pretty wide gap between five and 12 weeks, but you know that 12 weeks is going to be probably your absolute maximum. You feel pretty comfortable about that here at the very beginning of the preseason because you've got five weeks still after the preseason, and then you're looking at potentially six, seven games in the regular season prior to when it's potentially returning or the latest that he would potentially return. And you're looking at him possibly being available for week one if the rehab and everything goes well. So I think that everybody freaking out saying that the season's over

or the Colts need to trade for a potential starting quarterback, I think that might be a little bit overblown at this point. I still think the Colts have a good enough roster that through that first five weeks of the season they could realistically go two and three, one and four, and they're still not going to be out of the AFC South because I don't see Tennessee really running away with it. Let's talk about Jacob Eason for a second, the quarterback, Steve, because he was a 2024th round pick by the Colts.

The reason why he was picked is because the traits were off the charts. The quarterbacking was the issue with Eason's consistency with his throws, the mental acumen of the game, but according to Marcus Brady and OTAs, Eason did make a leap in the mental acumen part of quarterbacking. So that's a big plus. Obviously, as Frank Wright, next to him, and a good coaching staff on the offensive side to really learn from over this important period of Easton's development,

especially he does start games this year. Bazooka for an arm, Stephen. He can throw the ball really 60-plus yards down the field if you need him to. What's your opinion of Easton, the Steve because we haven't talked about much in the podcast he did only he didn't even sue for a game last year is it just a true retro year for Easton in his rookie year but now entering in a year too many thought or not many but some thought maybe why not just roll Jacob Easton this year now this is a trial by fire period for Jacob Easton where the regular season does happen and he plays the first let's say two to six weeks of the season this is a situation for Jacob Eason to really

show his worth and to also have the cold sea like I mentioned at the top of the show what he is so what's your thoughts on Eason the quarterback and what he can do as positives and as negatives I think the big thing for Jacob Eason was the the mental aspect of the game. And then the other part was he throws the ball at one speed. And so that was one of our big issues with Jacoby Brissett, too, is that he threw the ball at one speed. But Jacoby Brissett didn't have anticipation like Jacob Beeson does. And Jacob Beeson can put a ball in a spot. He's got a great arm. He's got an absolute

cannon. It's a really kind of a physical specimen, like the type of arm he has. And so I think if he can get that mental side of the game down, which Marcus Brady seems pretty confident in, then he could really probably surprise some people because he's got everything you look for in that quarterback. Aside from the other part with him is you really got to work on the mechanics to get his accuracy because a lot of times he'll throw and he'll try to brush it and try to throw too hard. And so that means a lot of times he'll try to brush it and try to throw too hard. And so that means he a lot of times will throw high. If they can get him in a groove, which from the looks of it, a training camp is what they're trying to do in terms of throwing the short ones

to the running backs, all those check downs, the short crossers, things like that, you're trying to get him in a groove so then he doesn't feel like he has to like rocket the ball in some place. Because when he tries to rocket, he usually changes that arm angle or that that release point, and it ends up going a little bit too high. And so with him, he's got a great arm. And if he can get the mental side of it down, and they can really kind of get him in a groove, he's got the potential to be a pretty darn good starting quarterback. Now, those are a lot of ifs, and they're pretty darn big ifs. And if he is a little bit slower from the mental aspects of the game,

you know, he played poorly that first day of training camp on Friday. Again, that's his first action, so I give him a little bit of a break. Played a little bit better today, and I'm excited to see what he does for the rest of the week and then into that first preseason game because that first preseason game, for a lot of people, that's a game that you just try to make it through without an injury. For Jacob Eason, it's really going to be a barometer at how well he's done to this point

because he's going to get a ton of playing time because he never got any last year. So Colts fans, the Colts coaches, they're going to find out a lot about Jacob Eason here at the next two weeks. Speaking of Eason, we just went over in depth there, Stephen, about his strengths and his weaknesses. And quite honestly, I'm actually excited to see what he can do over this next couple of weeks in

training camp. And then into the preseason, because he's been getting a lot of reps with the ones, obviously throughout the rest of camp preseason, we began to start our snaps, which I'm doing in the regular season as well. I'll be getting the starting snaps. So Easton is really intriguing as a quarterback prospect,

strong arm. We'll just have to see how far it's coming, the mental aspect side of this, Steven, but we have to cover this part of the Carson Wentz injury because I think it does play a huge factor potential what the Colts will do how long they sit Carson Wentz out the conditions on that trade that the Colts made they get the third round pick in this year's draft but it's a conditional second round pick if Carson Wentz does get 75% of the snaps it's a first round pick if it's 70% of the

snaps and the Colts make the playoffs, it's still a first-round pick. If it's below those thresholds, Stephen, it's a second-round pick for the Colts. And I did the quick math. 17 games, you divide it by six. If Wentz misses six games, that's under the 70% of the playoffs. 67% right around there? Yeah, so around 5% of the games if Wentz misses that, Stephen,

the Colts automatically get a second- pick instead of a first round pick. So it's something to watch for there. If Wentz does fail when he gets back from his injury, I think the Colts might just protect themselves here and sit Wentz the first five or six games just in case. You know, I've jokingly said this on this podcast and on Afternoon Pancakes before, that my entire thought process going into the season was that they would

put Carson Wentz on the pup list with some freak injury and they would have him miss the first six weeks guaranteed so then they can keep their first round pick uh then I saw what the schedule looked like those first five weeks and said there's no way they can really do that because that'd be just a terrible idea to set your starting quarterback through those first five games at this point I'm not sure that it's a bad idea you see what Jacob Beeson can give you you'll give him four or five games and you make sure that Carson Wentz you play it that the Colts right now have to play this so incredibly conservatory, just conservative with Carson Wentz because they have had now two all-time great style quarterbacks leave because of injuries. With Peyton Manning with the neck,

the Colts voluntarily moved on from him to go with Andrew Luck. And then Andrew Luck, they were not conservative with him. They pushed him, and he retired. So you don't want to make the same mistake again with Carson Wentz that you did with Peyton Manning, with Andrew Luck, more so with Andrew Luck than Peyton Manning. But you don't want to make that same mistake. So the Colts and Jim Irsay, Chris Ballard, they're going to be hyper-conservative with Carson Wentz to make sure that he gets back, and he is 100% when he comes back.

So there's, I don't see it likely that he's available for week one, but I do think that they're probably going to look at that week five, week six range. And then if he's not 100% by then, I don't think that, I don't think he's going to play to week seven, to be honest. Like that's, that's when I think he's going to come back is week seven, week eight, because as we've said before, Chris Ballard likes them picks. And if, you know, you roll with Jacob Beeson, you get through those first five games of the season and you're not completely behind an eight ball in the AFC South, go ahead and let Jacob Beeson play a couple more series.

You let Carson Wentz get the last half of the season where the games are a little bit easier with the exception of the Buccaneers and the Bills and potentially a trip out to Las Vegas, I think. You go ahead and let those games play out and let Carson Wentz get into his group going into the playoffs and And you just kind of go and you keep your first round pick. And if you've realized that Carson Wentz really isn't the real deal, isn't what you want,

then you can move on next year and you've still got your first round pick. I feel like, I feel like right now, like this was because this is a lesser injury in terms of potentially what it could have been with a foot injury but because this is a lesser injury it gives you a wider time frame for rehabilitation I think the Colts are going to be really really conservative with this and they're going to put it so there's mathematically it's almost mathematically impossible for them for him to get up to the 70 threshold and if he misses like you said six games i think that's right around like 65 67 percent of the season uh if he plays in every offensive snap from then on out that that guarantees the Colts keep that first-round pick.

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for 15% off at BiltBar.com. Just to reiterate again for those listening, Seahawks, Rams, Titans, Dolphins, Ravens, first five weeks, week six for the sixth game is at home against the Houston Texans who, with the Deshaun Watts situation, he still doesn't want to play for the Texans. That could still be an easy win, even if Jacob Eason starts for the Colts at quarterback. Week seven is where it gets interesting, Steven. At the 49ers, home against the Titans. Then you have a cupcake schedule for

a couple weeks with the Jets, Jaguars. Then at the Bills, Buccaneers, at Texans, Patriots, at Cardinals, Raiders, and at Jaguars to finish out the season. So I think week seven at San Francisco could be a realistic time frame for Wentz. Miss the first six weeks. If East can keep you afloat, like around a 2-4 record. The Colts went 1-5 with Andrew Luck in 2018. Maybe they can go on a magical run again. But I have to throw this out there, Stephen, because it's really something that the Colts should consider

if, let's say, the worst-case scenario occurs and the Colts, let's say, are 0-5, 0-6 through this stretch without Carson Wentz if he does miss that first quarter of the season. I mean, it has to cross your mind if you're Chris Bauer. Let's say they're already out of contention for the playoffs. They're 0-5, 0-6, and Wentz hasn't played a single game yet. Do you just sit out Carson Wentz? Do you just put him on that 12-week time frame where he's out at least through the first eight or nine games of the season? The Colts maybe have one or two wins by then. Can you position yourself where you guarantee your first-round pick?

And you are in a good spot at that point, I have to imagine, with potentially a top-five pick projected through the halfway point of the season. I mean, it has to cross Chris Bauer's mind. If the Wentz experiment doesn't work and you have this going on, you could draft a potential QB of the future if Easton flames out and this Wentz injury kind of derails our season before it happens. Yeah, I don't see that being – I don't think Chris Ballard has that bone in his body because that's just effectively like thrown in the towel.

I do think that if Carson Wentz is expected to miss the first five games of the season, I think he's going to miss the first six. Because those first five games, you said it's what the Seattle, L.A., the Dolphins, Titans, and Baltimore are in there, and then the sixth game is the Houston Texans. I think if they're going through that, those first five games, I think that they're going to sit him out the sixth game for sure. Because again, if you sit him out for six games, you're looking at the most games that he

can play is 11 out of 17. If the offensive snap stays about equal through that, then you're looking at 65% of the snaps, offensive snaps. I don't see him coming back before San Francisco if he misses the first few games of the season. If they can get him back week one, I think they're going to play week one. But if they want to take this really conservative, which is something that I would recommend, I would set him out until week six and then pop him in San Francisco, San Francisco, Tennessee.

You get that second Tennessee game and you see what you can do. So I feel like that's probably the most realistic option since now they've opted for surgery that Carson Wentz is going to be out the first six weeks of the season is my guess if I were a betting man and I am not, but yeah, I, I think that that's probably going to be the most likely scenario. Last point here, Stephen, before we close out today's show, just covering the Carson Wentz situation. Also Jacob Houston will have more on the Colts first week of training camp

throughout this week on the podcast with our biggest takeaways, but just your overall opinion of what this season, if Carson Wentz doesn't miss any time, it doesn't matter. That means he's healed really fast from this around a five, six-week time frame, and he's ready for week one, but let's say he misses the first four, five, six games of the season. This potentially derails a season for the Colts, Stephen, where me and you both have very high expectations for them. I think you had them at 12 wins. I'm at 11 wins heading into this season, or you might have had 13 for them. I mean, if Wentz missed the first five or six weeks, you're looking at a potential two and four or oh and six start potentially if Easton does

play him out completely. I mean, this could be a team, unless they have a magical run in the second half of the season, which is totally possible with how their schedule is in the second half, there might be a team that's fighting for that seventh spot in the second half of the season, which is totally possible with how their schedule is in the second half, there might be a team that's fighting for that seventh spot in the playoffs next year. Yeah, I think the expanded playoffs really does the Colts a huge favor. Again, I don't think Tennessee is going to run away with the division this year. So even if the Colts start off 2-3, 2-4, 3-3, something like that, which I honestly think they'll probably end up starting 3-3

for those first six games, 2-4, 3-3. And at that point, you're still looking at, like, probably 10-11 wins in there because – and that's assuming that Carson wins comes back fully healthy and they can run off a few games in there. But you're looking at, like, 10-7, 11-6. Don't know whether that would be good enough to make the playoffs, but I think that it would put them in a spot to contend for the AFC South

because they'd get that second game with Carson Wentz against Tennessee, so then you can at least split that division series. And then you've got the only other division game in there in that span, I believe, is the Houston game, which even though it's against Houston at that point, I still think Jacob Eason might be the starter. I think the Colts should win that game, even without Carson Wentz, even if Jacob Eason really has a rough time of it. The other part to consider is if the Colts go through the first couple of preseason games and Jake Beeson really does struggle, I wouldn't be surprised to see them bring in a veteran quarterback,

maybe give a call to Uncle Phil, bring back Phillip Rivers. It's not like he probably needs much practice time to get back up to speed. You know, you make a couple calls, see if you can bring somebody in. You know, I just feel like they'll do something to keep themselves afloat if Jacob Eason they don't think is the answer. And quite honestly, the sooner you can find out what Jacob Eason can do, the better. And so hopefully he does well. I think we're all rooting for him to succeed

and be just stellar in his first few weeks. But if he's not, that's okay too, and you just kind of figure it out and move on from there. Steven, this is a lot of fun, as always, having you on the podcast today, recapping the Carson Wentz injury, Jacob Eason, how moving forward as the Colts QB won in the meantime. We'll be covering all things Wentz, Eason, how training camp's going for the Colts here on Locked On Colts,

Monday through Friday as we're back in the groove on the daily podcast here. But go ahead and follow Steven on Twitter. If you're not already a Colts fan, it's at NiceReadSteven. Go ahead and follow our Twitter page as well, at LockedOnColts. Stephen, appreciate your time tonight. Thanks, Evan. Have a great one.