Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - Indianapolis Colts' Alec Pierce or Parris Campbell: Which Receiver Emerges in Training Camp?

Starting point is 00:00:00 Alec Pierce or Paris Campbell, who finishes second on the Colts in receiving this year? We debate that and much more on today's episode of Locked on Colts. Let's get to it. You are Locked on Colts, your daily Indianapolis Colts podcast. Part of the Locked on Podcast number one listen of the day. This is your daily podcast covering your Indianapolis Colts, part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. This is Jake Arthur, joined as always by my partner Zach Hicks. Today, Zach and I are going to go through each of the Colts pass catching groups, the receivers, running backs, and tight

Starting point is 00:01:00 ends, and we're going to tell you who to look out for this season. We'll also make a case for a pair of veterans and also a couple of rookies to be among the team's leaders in receiving. We know who the leaders are, but who is going to be the Robin to their Batman? All right. So obviously we're going to start with receivers. We know who the top guy is. It's Michael Pittman Jr. No, it's Ashton Doolin. It's Ashton Doolin is number one. Everyone else pales in comparison. We'll get to that nonsense in a second. No, it's last year, it was far and away Michael Pittman Jr. Carson Wentz had kind of one, maybe two guys he was clearly comfortable with. Pittman led the team in targets. He had 129. Next closest was Zach Paschal with 69. He led in receptions by 50, receiving yards by like 700. So that was not close. But Zach,

Starting point is 00:01:54 who do you have finishing second this year? Yeah, so we're going to do a little bit of a battle royale here. I'm going to debate my guy. Jake's going to debate his guy. And then you guys are going to vote on Twitter why I succeeded in my debate. So to start off, my guy that I'm picking is I'm going with the rookie. I'm going with the young guy. I have to go with my guy, Big Alec here, Alec Pierce, the guy who I think there was like a live stream out there that I was on during draft night when the Colts selected him and I was jumping up and down. So excited. And, you know, when you look at this Colts receiver core, it's Alec Pierce.

Starting point is 00:02:28 It's Alec Pierce right behind Michael Pittman Jr. He's got the draft pedigree, you know, coming out of the draft this year. You know they're going to want to get him involved. He fits that Z position super, super well. Was a great deep threat in college, great height, weight, speed guy. And he's pretty developed too. I mean, he was a senior, he played well at the Senior Bowl, pretty good route runner for a guy who, yes, I think he's a tad stiff,

Starting point is 00:02:50 but I don't think it's like, you know, it's not like DK Metcalf's three cone or anything like that. He is a loose athlete. He is a good route runner. And I think that's going to transition really well to start this next season. I mean, when you think of Frank Reich's offense, you think of the backside digs that he wants to run. You think a lot of the Yankee concepts where you can have that deep guy over the top. You're going to want your sixth three

Starting point is 00:03:12 receiver who runs, you know, low four, five, four threes running those kinds of concepts there. I mean, he's going to, he's just going to be a killer on the backside where defenses are going to be so worried about Michael Pittman Jr. over the middle and underneath and those run after catch stuff. Alec Pierce is going to be able to catch those balls down the field. He's going to be so worried about Michael Pittman Jr. over the middle and underneath and those run after catch stuff. Alec Pierce is going to be able to catch those balls down the field. He's going to be able to catch those balls on the sideline. And I think he's going to emerge as the number two guy in this receiver group. You know, we're going to talk about it more with the running backs. I don't think Alec Pierce is going to be the second leading pass catcher on this team, but I do think he's going to be a guy who could fight for, you know, third on the team in targets,

Starting point is 00:03:44 fourth on the team in targets overall, or something like that in year one, which he's going to be a guy who could fight for, you know, third on the team and targets fourth on the team and targets overall or something like that in year one, which it's crazy to think with the Colts, you know, these guys typically don't come in and year one and do that outside of, you know, Michael Pittman Jr. A little bit in his rookie season, but you know, the stars are kind of aligning for Alec Pierce to be the guy this year. So I'm all in Alec Pierce truth. And you can see it right there in my name.

Starting point is 00:04:02 If you're on YouTube watching us I'm all in on Alec Pierce this year and I think he's going to be the second leading receiver in this group yeah I mean that that's that's not a bad pick I'm not mad about it and I had the first in here I think yeah I mean he's he was their first pick in the draft it certainly would not be a bummer for that to happen but I'm going to take a leap of faith with my selection. I'm going to say Mr. Paris Campbell, he's going to stay healthy. He's going to play, I don't know if it's 17 games, but maybe 14, 15, 16, whatever. 10, I think we're like eight at this point. Yeah, I think we all would. But I think we've seen in his three seasons what the Colts want to do with him when he is on the field. I don't want

Starting point is 00:04:46 to say he gets force-fed the ball, but they find multiple ways to get him the ball. Now, with Carson Wentz, I don't want to totally throw it away, but there weren't many guys who gelled with him last year, so I'm not going to make that an indictment on Campbell, but Phillip Rivers loved him in the five quarters he played with him. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We've, we've seen it happen before. We saw him develop more as a deep threat last year. I mean, his, his injury that cost him the majority of the season came on a 51 yard touchdown reception. We've, we've seen him do a lot of underneath stuff, you know, jet sweeps, end arounds, things like that. If he is the primary slot guy this year, which it looks like

Starting point is 00:05:31 he might be, I think that'll gel pretty well with Matt Ryan. You know, we saw Paris Campbell very involved this spring with Matt Ryan under center. I think he's going to really dig that speed. And to me, the only thing keeping Campbell from being that second guy are the injuries. So, you know. You know, the best ability is availability. And I think Alec Pierce is definitely ahead already, you know, already on his first day in camp, he's already ahead in that regard. So Alec Pierce, I think, is definitely my guy. But, you know, Paris Campbell, man, if he could just stay healthy, like that Jaguars game in 2020 was great. There were some good moments last year,

Starting point is 00:06:12 too. And then obviously something that you have going for you in this argument is that the scheme touches, you know, the touch passes and all that, you know, Alec Pierce is not really an after, you know, yards after catch guy. In this offense, it's a big yards after catch offense. So Paris Campbell, if he plays, but at the end of the day, the guy who's going to be out there is Alec Pierce. And I do think, you know, there might be a bit of a learning curve, you know, the first couple of weeks, it might be all Paris Campbell and Ashton Doolin out there. But once Alec Pierce steps on the field as that starting Z or maybe starting slot, who knows, we'll see a lot in camp with where he is. Because, you know, the Colts the last couple of years have gone with a bigger player in the slot.

Starting point is 00:06:48 You know, it's been Zach Paschal in the slot over the last three years. And, you know, Alec Pierce kind of sized and speed threshold a little bit better. But, you know, at the end of the day, I think once Pierce settles into that number two role, I think he's going to just fit like a glove in this offense on those backside digs and those deep routes. And, you know, they have a quarterback who can consistently hit those down the field. I mean, Matt Ryan, I think according to NextGenStats, was what, top three in the NFL in deep passing, I believe is what they had. You know, even if it's

Starting point is 00:07:19 not as many shots as it was last year, Alec Pierce, I honestly think Alec Pierce is more suited for deep shots in that deep role than Michael Pittman Jr. is. Honestly, I agree with that. I think, and I'm not trying to defeat my own argument here. That's what I'm planning. You're trying to attack me from the inside. So Alec Pierce, watching him play at Cincinnati, does that not look so much like what Matt Ryan was comfortable with in 2021 with the Falcons? A lot of those deep outside shots. I'm thinking Kyle Pitts, you know, guys like that.

Starting point is 00:07:56 Not, I don't think he's going to have a Kyle Pitts season, but just stylistically, that's just what I keep envisioning in my head is his role. Those just deep outfield, you know, get it to only where he can get it, make him jump and, and, you know, out, out finesse his defender. That's kind of how I see it. And I'm just going to make a quick counterpoint because we know we will have those Ashton Doolin people out there, right? Yes. No, I personally, I do think Doolin will have a nice role in this offense. It could be very Zach Paschal-like. He's one of the guys that does the dirty work, does a little bit of

Starting point is 00:08:31 everything. I do think they like him as a receiver. I just think the other guys are probably going to get more opportunity to get more significant target shares and things like that. The second one person goes down, though, it's Ashton Doolin time. It is officially Ashton Doolin time. Season as they say. Season. Ashton Doolin season. If he gets like two touchdown catches,

Starting point is 00:08:54 it's Ashton Doolin. Actually, I think he had that last year. Three touchdown catches. It's Ashton Doolin season. So a clear victory for me on that one. Coming up, we've discussed the receivers and who can come up behind pitman to lead the group next we're going to talk about a group that probably isn't

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Starting point is 00:11:38 later, go check out YouTube and you'll see what we're talking about. Oh, yeah. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, now we're going to talk about the most dangerous group on the Colts offense. That's the running backs. They're outstanding on the ground. Of course, Jonathan Taylor is the best running back in the league, Titans fans, but they can also be so, so dangerous catching the ball anywhere on the field. You know, last year, Naheem Hines, a little bit of a down season with receiving. I think we both would say it wasn't totally his fault. I mean, as a, as a rookie in 2018, he had 63 catches in 2019. It went down to 44. Was that

Starting point is 00:12:22 Jacoby Brissett? Yeah. Of course didn't, didn't get the Andrew Luck treatment like he probably would have wanted, of course. Back up to 63 in 2020 with Phillip Rivers. And then down to a career low 40 with Carson Wentz last year. I wonder what the common denominator is in his good season. Yeah, man. I don't know. Maybe real inconsistent quarterbacks. I don't know about that. No, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe rolling consistent quarterbacks. I don't know about that.

Starting point is 00:12:45 No, I don't know. I don't know. But I would, you know, the bet probably starts at what, 63 catches for him this year? Yeah, I'd put the over under at 60 and I would take the over. I would too. And honestly, while we're talking pass catchers here, like I know I just fought for Alec Pierce. I like Paris Campbell. But if we're talking about second leading receiver in terms of catches this season, I think it has to be nine times easy. Yeah. I think we're,

Starting point is 00:13:10 yeah, I think we're in agreeance there. Cause yeah, the rules were, we were going by position groups, but overall second on the team receiving at least receptions that that'll be Heinz. I'm sure. Right. And the biggest thing that people don't talk about enough and, and you know, we're not really doing our debate here. We're both just going to be completely agreeing with each other in this section before we get back to fighting in the last section. But, uh, Naeem Hines last year had his career high in snaps at wide receiver.

Starting point is 00:13:35 I think it was like 140 something, uh, weirdly enough despite his low catches and his low receiving total. I think it was only like 40 catch it or 40 snaps at receiver behind Cordero Patterson with the Falcons last year and Cordero Patterson was basically a hybrid wide receiver running back so the Colts got Naheem Hines out at receiver a lot you know I if you I think it comes out to like 10 snaps a game or something like that or eight snaps a game something like that and he was getting some real snaps at receiver especially down the stretch they were putting him in the slot and using him in a lot of motion ways to free up Jonathan Taylor

Starting point is 00:14:08 in the run game but I think we could see even even an increase in that you know up to 200 250 snaps out at wide receiver because you know we talk about this wide receiver depth chart we talk about these players but Naeem Hines is the second best weapon in the past game on the Colts team. You've got to get him on the field, even if he is the second running back behind Jonathan Taylor. So if that's more slot snaps, more wide receiver snaps, just more two running back sets, you know, I think they're going to have to be creative with getting on the field. And Matt Ryan's the type of quarterback that can actually utilize him.

Starting point is 00:14:39 Yeah, totally agree. I think this version of the Colts offense, you know, as long as the tools are there and staying healthy, Matt Ryan is still there. I think other than with Andrew Luck in 2018, this is going to be the most open and versatile Frank Reich will be able to have his offense operating. I think we both now have seen that Jonathan Taylor and Naheem Hines are very much entering or are in their prime. And Frank Reich's going to want to be able to do stuff with that, get them both on the field at the same time. It's been an absolute love affair between Naheem Hines and the Colts and Matt Ryan and all that this spring. Frank Reich even said, you know, if I played fantasy, I think I would invest heavily in Naheem Hines.

Starting point is 00:15:25 Matt Ryan has shown mad love towards Hines. Didn't Chris Mallard say in his postseason press conference or something that we need to get Naheem Hines the ball more? That was one of his big things he said. I'm in complete agreement. Naheem Hines, after 2020, didn't look like a scat back or backup running back. He had five yards per carry on the run. I think, he had like five yards per carry on the run. I think it was 4.8 yards per carry in the run game. He had his career high in receptions and receiving yards.

Starting point is 00:15:53 I think he was like third in the NFL among running backs and catches. And again, as a runner, I mean, if you watch that playoff game against the Bills in 2020, you would argue that he was the best weapon the Colts had on offense in that game. I mean, he had a few humongous runs best weapon the Colts had on offense in that game. I mean, he had a few humongous runs that kept the Colts in the game late. He's a guy who just needs to get the ball more. And even, you know, and it's funny, we're talking about this section here about pass catching running backs.

Starting point is 00:16:14 And, you know, it's like, oh, nine hines. But Jonathan Taylor has been outstanding in the pass game as well. Yes, absolutely. It is insane how you can just get the ball in his hands, no matter like whatever you're doing. It could be a screen. It could be a swing pass. It could be in the run game.

Starting point is 00:16:28 Just get the ball in his hands and good things happen. And he's a weapon in the pass game. Short, intermediate, and long. We've seen him score or make big plays on all of them. As a rookie, he squashed the reception, the receiving issue right away. 36 catches on 39 targets. And for the vast majority of the season, he didn't have a drop. I think there was only one incompletion in his direction until the last week or two.

Starting point is 00:16:59 Kicked it up to 40 receptions last year with Carson Wentz as his quarterback. So, I mean, Jonathan Taylor can catch. That's not a thing anymore. Matt Ryan is his quarterback who likes to throw to running backs. Both of these guys are going to get fed the ball as runners and receivers. Look at Matt Ryan throughout his career. Recently, Cordero Patterson, Mike Davis had plenty of receptions. Devontae Freeman, the proof is all there throughout Ryan's career. And look at Naheem Hines and Jonathan Taylor's receiving numbers, you know, throughout their careers now. I just think it's very obvious they're going to be heavily utilized in the passing game. Yeah, no, absolutely.

Starting point is 00:17:39 I think one of my favorite plays last year was there was a snap where nine Hines is in the backfield as the running back. Jonathan Taylor was out as like the Z receiver on the outside. And the play call was fake handoff to Hines. And then a quick screen to Taylor on the outside, which netted like 15 yards, you know, just any way that you can get these two running backs on the field in the past game. Cause you know,

Starting point is 00:17:59 there's so many guys out there that say, you know, running the ball doesn't matter. Running backs don't matter, but they're playmakers. You know these are guys that if they get the ball in their hands they can make things happen so in an offense like this with the colts where it's so much mesh it's so much run after catch it's so much uh predicated on making guys miss you want the ball in your running backs hands in the open field and we have a guy like nine hines who can run routes like a receiver and a guy like jonathan taylor where he just touches that ball in the open field he's going to make guys miss those are real real weapons right there but but you know we're talking running backs here i really want to get back into

Starting point is 00:18:32 into just arguing with jake here so i don't even really want to talk running back anymore uh so up next guys we're going to talk about the tight end group i'm going to pick one tight end jake's going to pick a tight end and we're going to hash it out and see who will be the second leading receiver in this tight end group. I can't take it seriously. Once again. All right. So yeah, we're jumping into this tight end group. And because Jake was so gracious to give me the stage on the first section with Alec Pierce

Starting point is 00:19:02 and let me make that selection, he gets this one. He gets to take the first section with Alec Pierce, and let me make that a selection. He gets this one. He gets to take the first guy here, and unfortunately he's taking the title sponsor of our podcast. This is the Kylan Granson podcast, so you take it off with Kylan Granson here, Jake. I thought it was the Curtis Brooks podcast featuring Kylan Granson. Oh, that's what it was. Okay, we'll mention Curtis Brooks in this as well, but talk about K and Granson, we'll hit on Curtis Brooks in the outro.

Starting point is 00:19:29 No, I'll take the layup. I think Kyle and Granson is the easiest answer. We know Mo Alleycox is the tight end one. It's the first time being asked to be the guy because Jack Doyle has now retired. But Granson, he's going into year two. Smart guy. He's been in the system for a year. He's going to have a quarterback now that's very tight and friendly with Matt Ryan.

Starting point is 00:19:52 We're going to have to start calling this the Matt Ryan show also, apparently. Well, yeah, we knew that. We knew that coming in. Yeah, of course. But no, I think he's going to fit very well where someone like Mo Alley-Cox is probably going to get some downfield shots and some red zone stuff. Colin Granson, I think, is going to get some underneath, probably some things up the hash, lots of yards after catch opportunities. Maybe feature some of the things the Colts wanted to do with Michael Pittman a couple years ago as a rookie just kind of make it kind of a basic route tree but give him a lot of opportunities to catch the ball on the run and create but no I think Kylan Granson

Starting point is 00:20:32 if if you know we didn't see a ton of the athleticism last year just with the ball in his hands but there was such a small sample size but I hope we get the opportunity to see it this year and since I think he'll be doing a lot of more underneath stuff, going up the hash as well, and kind of stretching linebackers down, down the middle, I think he'll have the opportunity to finish second in receiving. I know that's the easy answer,

Starting point is 00:20:58 but there's a reason why it's the easy answer. I'm sitting here like biting my tongue. I'm like, Oh, I just want to add more to his argument. So guys don't listen to the last few podcasts just listen to my argument here but obviously drew oh no i'm just kidding it's jelani woods is the guy i'm taking here jelani woods i think is a guy who if we're talking second leader in receptions in this tight end

Starting point is 00:21:18 group it's hard to make that argument for jelani woods i just don't think he's going to see as many snaps as a kylan grants and or moelle cox but if we're talking yards i can make that argument for Jelani Woods. I just don't think he's going to see as many snaps as a Kylan Granson or a Moelle Cox. But if we're talking yards, I can make the argument for Jelani Woods. So that's what I'm going to do here. I'm going to go after yards and yards per catch and big plays. I think Jelani Woods could be the big play option at this tight end group, you know, with Moelle Cox taking more of the Jack Doyle role, he's going to be more of a blocker, more of a guy who, you know,

Starting point is 00:21:43 if they do deep shots and stuff, he'll be the guy standing in. Jelani Woods, on the other hand, is a speedster for his humongous size. He had a high yards per catch last year, a ton of touchdowns last year at UVA in their spread passing attack. And, you know, we've kind of seen over the past couple years that the Colts love to throw in some tight end deep shots. You know, Jack Doyle against the Bills back in 2020 had an out and up for like a 30-yard touchdown. There was a touchdown last year, I think, or I think it was just a deep pass to Jack Doyle last year against the Bucs where it was like a sail route.

Starting point is 00:22:16 And Frank Reich loves those sail routes with tight ends running, you know, running up the hash and then breaking outside after the outside corner gets taken by the post. And Jelani Woods is the perfect guy for that that he's the fastest tight end in this group i mean if we're talking size wise you know he's the guy who can yeah get down there quick enough and he can go up and get it if need be uh and i think he's a guy where if he gets the ball you know in space he can make some things happen after the catch you know we see that with mo as well but again mo's going to be more of the all-around tight end so if we're looking at pass catching, you know, in its entirety, uh, Jelani Woods, I think is going to get a ton of downfield shots and he's going to be, it's going to be very sporadic. I think it'd be like maybe 10, 15 snaps a game. Uh, but when he gets out there, defense is going to have to account for him. So, you know, I'm kind of banking on the

Starting point is 00:23:00 fact that he's going to get out there and get some catches and a lot of passing situations. And, and, you know, if he gets some run after catch opportunities, I mean, it could be, it could be really pretty for him in the past game. Yeah. Honestly, I agree with, with that for sure is we've seen that with like Eric Ebron, for example, it seemed like when he was on the field, it was for the intention of him getting the ball or being one of the first couple reads. And so I, I, I think, especially with him only getting 10, 15 snaps a game, that'll be the intention though, but okay, well, we have this small package for him. Let's get him the ball. At least that probably is, is going to be what it is.

Starting point is 00:23:35 And I don't, I don't see how he wouldn't be the best downfield threat either. Um, just pterodactyl catch radius. He's got the freak athleticism. We know what Matt Ryan likes to do with those deep boundary shots. I just think that's a match made in heaven. But if he's being brought along slowly like a normal rookie tight end would, it's just going to be a difference of opportunity that's the only thing if we're looking forward to 2023 yeah woods may even be the number one yeah um but yeah for the for this year i definitely see him getting probably the most big plays or deep shots it could it could be like when you know for the last couple years people get very frustrated at how Alleycox can go on a little bit of a hot streak. And then it almost seems like he's phased out.

Starting point is 00:24:28 It's like one game. It's like one game a year. Mo Alleycox goes for like 80 and a touchdown or 80 and two touchdowns. And it's like, oh, he's finally arrived. And then there he goes, you know. That's how it was with Naheem Hines a lot as well. Yeah, I will say. To bring it back around.

Starting point is 00:24:44 Yeah, to help my argument guys, just imagine 2018. You had Eric Swope running some scissor route concepts with, with Miley Cox. And that was so deadly. Now imagine Jelani Woods in that role. You know, I'm,

Starting point is 00:24:56 I'm talking, you know, we're, we're talking like 50 yards of catch here. So that, that's my argument. We're going to go 50 yards per catch. Okay.

Starting point is 00:25:02 On, on four catches, but that might be enough for me, the second leading receiver in this tight end group. But I do like Kylan Granson a lot. I think he's going to eat up a lot of those underneath routes and a lot of those underneath responsibilities. But, you know, again, if we're going purely off yards, Jelani Woods might break off enough, like enough big plays to be that second leading receiver in the tight end group.

Starting point is 00:25:28 Yeah, but I'll be gracious enough to give you the W on that one. And with that being the case, that does it for us today on Locked on Colts. Everybody will be back with you on Friday. Zach and I have a very special guest who is going to talk to us about a couple of young potential star defenders that he has personally trained over the last couple of years. Yep. And remember guys, follow us on social media at Zach Hicks too. Remember, follow me first, and then you can go over and follow Jake at Jake Arthur NFL.

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