Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - Indianapolis Colts' Anthony Richardson Gets First-Team Reps, Josh Downs Flashes

Starting point is 00:00:00 Anthony Richardson took all the first team snaps yet again. What does this mean for the Colts? Let's get to it. You are Locked On Colts, your daily Indianapolis Colts podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast your first listen of the day. This is your daily podcast covering your Indianapolis Colts. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. I am Zach Hicks, your film nerd over at HorseshoeHuddle.com.

Starting point is 00:00:46 And joining me today is Horseshoe Huddle's boots on the ground and a guy who I could not come up with a funny alliteration to name him today. So Jake Arthur, Jake Arthur, who has been at Colts camp throughout the entire course of this whole offseason here. Again, we're going to do our daily update that we give you guys. We're going to talk about the Colts offense in training camp, talk about the Colts defense, and then open the floor to all of your guys' questions at the very end. So if you guys are joining us here on YouTube right now, throw in some questions,

Starting point is 00:01:15 some things you want us to talk about in that final segment. If not, then, yeah, we do have a couple things that we can talk about and really go back into. But starting off before we go into the offense, talk about some news and notes because we didn't miss yesterday because there was no practice. So we didn't record yesterday. So the things that happened yesterday that we missed are the Colts signed wide receiver Amari Rogers, or I guess they claimed him technically, which is actually something I wanted to talk about here. The Colts are going to have the fourth spot in the waiver wire until week three this season. So the one benefit of being really bad one season

Starting point is 00:01:49 is you have really high waiver priority and they're able to grab someone like Amari Rogers, a former third round pick of the Green Bay Packers, spent last season with the Houston Texans. Now before we get too excited about this addition here, Amari Rogers is the player who has had eight fumbles and like 25 career touches in the NFL. Most of those fumbles did come on kick return or punt return duties. So for some people saying like, oh cool Dallas flowers can play corner because Rogers can return. No,

Starting point is 00:02:17 I do not want him returning kicks. Absolutely not. The corresponding roster move they did was the wave johnny king and they also tried out a trio of veteran running backs yesterday divine ozigbo which draft twitter we we adore that that name right there one of our favorites we stand forever and ever uh running back kenyan drake of alabama and i think he played for miami for a while in the nfl and then benny snell former pitts Pittsburgh Steelers running back. So a lot of veterans that have had a lot of carries in the NFL.

Starting point is 00:02:55 Mike Chappell, a legend here on the Colts beat, did kind of say that he expects the Colts to make a signing running back going forward. I don't know when that's going to be or if it's going to be one of these three guys. But he said you expect another running back to be brought in. In injury news for today's practice defensive tackle DeForest Buckner left practice early with a foot injury or as our guy Shane Steichen like say you know just a little foot you know just just a little foot that's all he has a foot uh and then uh in positive injury news Darius Rush rookie cornerback uh he did return to practice from his shoulder injury so Jake now they got all the news and notes out of the way, what did you see from the Colts offense in practice today? Yep. So it was the second day in a row that Anthony Richardson took all of the first team

Starting point is 00:03:34 reps. And that was noteworthy because he's had plenty of days where he's taken first team reps. He was the first guy taking first team reps, it's the first time two days in a row you can go back to otas and all that that he's taken all of them so it was like what does that mean uh so i asked coach steichen after practice and he said it was basically just to catch him up and get him extra reps since he missed monday with that nasal procedure so unfortunately not much to read into that yet because you know i kind ofased it, you know, is this the new plan? Should we expect this going forward or whatever? And it's like, no, I think they'll probably continue to rotate.

Starting point is 00:04:12 So probably nothing to it, we'll see. Because earlier in camp, he did say we'll start to notice what they're doing with that. So nothing right home there. So statistically, AR was a little better today than he was tuesday or when our last practice was thank you tuesday um but overall their performance was pretty similar um you know there were some issues with timing you know throwing behind guys or just like throwing too late in the route like uh his his inaccuracy in the red zone was something we noted a couple of days ago in detail.

Starting point is 00:04:49 So when you're throwing in the back corner of the end zone, you know, that's, that's a play that has to have a lot of touch on it. You can't just like loft a high laser back there. Cause it's almost never going to get caught. And he did that today with Alec Pierce. And it just looked like the result of being too late in Pierce's route. You know, he was already too far over. So that's just kind of the stuff he has to iron out right now.

Starting point is 00:05:13 To me, as an observer who is not a coach, I would say his biggest issues right now really are just that timing and anticipation with those routes. But also he probably holds onto the ball a little too long right now. Early in camp, he was, I'm not going to say frantic, but he was pretty quick doing things. It looked like he was maybe jittery. But now that's almost slowed down.

Starting point is 00:05:39 I'm not going to say too much, but it's noticeable that he needs to get the ball out a little quicker. So those are some things they'll iron out. Again, it was another day of people after practice heaping praise on his preparation and ability to correct his mistakes and want to learn from what he's doing wrong. Quentin Nelson talked very highly of him, Coach Steichen, of course. So that's stuff that he'll try and get ironed out. I will say a positive thing about that is he tends to get better as practice goes on. It's like, he can kind of fix things on the fly because they did a two minute drill at the end of practice. And not only did he get a little better, but like he was leading guys, but like

Starting point is 00:06:22 throwing rockets to lead guys. Like he hit Michael Pittman a couple of times in that two minute drill where like, there is no way that the quarterback could have got that because he led him really well on, on a slant route. And again, with the, with the velocity that no one else on the roster has the ability to make. So that was good. I will say it was a little better of a day for Richardson in, in his defense. I called it a shaky day the other day,

Starting point is 00:06:50 not the greatest day today, but a little better. There were some rookies who had a couple impressive plays. Josh Downs had a really kind of Julian Edelman esque reception, like from the Superbowl against the Falcons, him and the defender were kind of colliding andman-esque reception, like from the Super Bowl against the Falcons. Him and the defender were kind of colliding, and the ball was just bobbling around in the air. And as Downs fell to the ground, he came away with the ball somehow. I don't know how he did it.

Starting point is 00:07:15 It seemed pretty improbable. But Will Mallory is starting to make a really good impression as well. He's another guy stacking those days. Spent the first week on week on pup but came back like he was never hurt uh he had a nice one-handed catch from gardner menchu during 11 on 11s right in front i think it was chris lamans and i think it caught lamans off guard because he kind of froze which allowed mallory to turn up fielding and gain some more yards so um the the rookies had an encouraging day i would say

Starting point is 00:07:46 i have no clue how they're gonna how they're gonna stack this tight end position i i really have no clue because again we've been pretty adamant on this podcast here that jelani woods and kyle and grants and are for sure the top two guys but i mean you got three guys right after that though that it's like man like it's it's tough like because you have the rookie and Will Mallory, who's stacking really impressive days since he's come back. Then you have Drew Ogletree, who's running with the first team at times and doing some good things. And then Moali Cox, you know, the veteran that always will get his chances and stuff like that. Be really interesting to see if they keep four even. And if they do keep four, who are those other two guys?

Starting point is 00:08:23 Before we move out of the offense, though, Jake, we have to go have to go to the stingometer the stingometer when it comes to the offensive line what did you see from the offensive line today do you see any major issues or still still pretty decent from the offensive line not really I I didn't count very many sacks all together from all units today there was one group sack i think against menshu with the second unit um but one thing so quentin nelson was asked after practice like how do you guys gauge your effectiveness on the offensive line in a setting like this where it's it's hard to judge because it's not like full contact and he said you know we are going live like on the lines we are full go like we're doing what we can. So are they.

Starting point is 00:09:06 So he said basically how he judges it is what they're doing in the run game. Are running backs getting to the second level or are they not getting touched until five yards away? Like that's how they're judging it. How effective is the run game? And really throughout camp, there have been some big holes. sure there's like any other there's plays where you know tackled behind the line of scrimmage or right at the line but there's been plenty of big plays as well uh so so far the the line is looking pretty decent they're not like they're not noticeably letting guys get killed like we've seen you know in in especially last

Starting point is 00:09:42 year was was pretty bad and no real changes to the rotation or the lineup so far when especially when it comes to first team it's been the same five guys for first team first team is gonna be those five until something happens there weren't really many shake-ups uh danny penner kicked over to right guard with the second uh you know i think he got some reps with the third as well, so that Wesley French could play center. This might be cross-training for them for Penter. Get him some more reps at right guard in a setting that won't kill the team. Jordan Murray had been the third team right tackle. Dan Skipper, who they just signed, he was there today. I've got to expect him probably to kick

Starting point is 00:10:24 up to the second unit at some point pretty soon wouldn't you think maybe maybe I will say though I've never seen pass block grades so low when I looked at his pro football focus from last year though great great so we'll see we'll see is it because he's so tall that every defensive end can get under his reach or all I know is I've never seen multiple games with a 0.0 pass blocking grade before from a player like if you guys want to see something fun go look at that but coming up we're going to switch gears we're going to talk about the colts defense and how they kind of won the day today now today's episode is brought to you by linkedin jobs these days every new potential

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Starting point is 00:12:08 who have been winning training camp so far and some guys who have not necessarily been helping themselves at all. So make sure you're back here tomorrow, same time around four 30. We're going to talk more Colts training camp. All right, Jake. So diving into the defense today, and obviously there's a lot of guys we can talk about here, but again, I think we're becoming, I think everyone here is kind of becoming a big fan

Starting point is 00:12:29 of Daryl Baker Jr. Like this is a player coming into training camp, like you said, when we talked about him earlier in the week, where cornerback seven, cornerback eight, maybe cornerback nine, a player that's just not on anybody's radar. I was actually trying to look back at his preseason game from last year with the Cardinals. I don actually trying to look back at his preseason game from last year

Starting point is 00:12:45 with the Cardinals. I don't think he had a single defensive snap in the preseason with the Cardinals. He did some special team things for them, but no defensive snaps for the Cardinals. That's how low they viewed him. They cut him after the preseason. Colts brought him to the practice squad, and he's been with the Colts since then.

Starting point is 00:13:02 Now he's cornerback one or two in training camp for the Colts and he's doing some great things like I think this is such a fun story to follow and this is why we love training camp because Daryl Baker Jr. is such a big training camp story for the Colts yeah I think he I mean we're only a week and change into it but we're about dang near halfway through camp now and he's got to be the underdog darling so far. And it seems legit. I mean, he's not just like a guy who's showing up with the third or second team and consistently making plays.

Starting point is 00:13:33 Like, he's doing it against Michael Pittman, Alec Pierce. Like, he's doing it big time. And I don't know that there's been a bigger winner of training camp than him because he was given the opportunity because Juju Brents has yet to practice. Darius Rush has missed the last couple practices. This guy has fully taken advantage. Had an interception today. It's the first interception that's been made by a defensive back so far

Starting point is 00:14:00 in camp during 11-on-11s. Now, it was more about the throw from Richardson than it was the coverage, but he was right there and converted the interception. He did his job. So now he's doing a great job. Gus Bradley speaks really highly of him. Ron Milas speaks very highly of him. So if we're talking roster locks, I can't say a lock because there's you and i talked off air like it's a log jam of cornerbacks right now who have a strong case uh but he seems very very likely to make the roster at this point i don't know if he's this year's brain and face on which probably is the case um i mean that in terms of like being cornerback for like all right but like we need

Starting point is 00:14:41 a handful of snaps we need to talk about performance performance wise maybe he'll be better but in terms of playing time i think he's probably this year's face on yeah but no this guy has done himself nothing but favors yeah no and it's really interesting because again if you look at his profile you're like all right like like this is not just a like a preseason guy that you don't think can do anything in the game i mean this is six foot one cornerback nearly 200 pounds 32 inch arms which is the super long arms that you want in this type of system and then he jumped like 41.5 inches in the vertical jump like 136 inches in the broad jump ran a 4-4-3 um did some special teams you know and stuff like that like he's just a really well-rounded prospect coming in. So now that he's finally finding his footing here in the NFL,

Starting point is 00:15:28 like it's really fun to watch his development so far. I'm excited to go out there next week and really watch him up close. Now, a big notable thing that happened on the defensive line was DeForest Buckner went down with that foot injury or a little foot, you know, just, just a foot. He has a foot, but yeah, he has two of them. It's crazy. But what was the defensive line rotation looking like when Buckner went down? Who was that next man up at that three tech position? Yeah. So McTelvin at gym came in and lined up next to Grover Stewart when, when Buckner went out. And that's a guy I've talked about a lot

Starting point is 00:16:03 so far in my camp notes on here. He's just been really steady, both as a run defender and an interior pass rusher. So that's really no surprise. You maybe would have thought Taven Bryan, but they probably don't think Bryan is as well-rounded as a Jim in order to play more regular snaps. So that was pretty impressive. Later, when it was the two-minute drill and they were kind of going to a pass rush package,

Starting point is 00:16:30 a dang bow kicked inside to tackle, which, of course, you love to see that. You know, they had a good-looking, fast bunch of guys out there, but you didn't have Samson Abouk, and you don't have Buckner. But it was good to, you good to see them continue to rotate Dio Dengbo around to kind of take advantage of some opportunities there. But I think altogether, even despite Aboukham not being out there and Buckner leaving, we're kind of starting to get a sense

Starting point is 00:17:00 of what the rotation really is. Consistently, Titus Leo has been out there as the the second team leo you know taekwon lewis is missing time of course on pup abukim is out um but then you know tave and brian mctelvin a gym inside uh with um of course i can't think of it right now, with Khalid Kareem as the big end. So I feel pretty confident in who they like most as their second wave of defensive linemen. Okay. Was it Titus Leo that came in, though, in those situations at the very end when Dio switched into defensive tackle? Was it Titus Leo that played with the first team or who who else kind of came

Starting point is 00:17:45 in there i think he got some reps with the first team if i remember correctly okay okay so titus leo now making some way i mean like you said like you've been saying you know he's not flashing per se but they like him enough to get him these valuable reps he's he's a speed rusher guy it makes sense to get fast guys who can get upfield yeah yeah yeah no for sure now you do have the note here that says aqm's new role i'm terrified to hear what that is like i'm proud of the colts no so i'm proud of the colts for this one so al-qaeda muhammad was never a bad player when he was here he was he was a good player for the role he probably should have had which was supporting cast on the on the defensive line and a quality you know run defender who could

Starting point is 00:18:32 provide some pass rush but he was eating away snaps from younger guys who needed those developmental snaps that was everyone's big gripe so the colts let's just say if this was matt ibrafusa out there this would not be the case aqm has been going like exclusively with the second and third team titus titus leo is not having his snaps taken away from him which is great we're seeing khalid kareem out there which is great because it's like you signed this guy you know twice as a restricted free agent again you want to see what he's doing aqm is just eating some of these second and third teamers up but we are not seeing it at the expense of younger guys who we want to see those developmental and like i'm dead serious like i, like, you think that's hilarious.

Starting point is 00:19:26 You put a whole note in our outline. Yes. This is to say, Al-Qaeda Mohammed is playing with the third team. Well, that he's not taking away developmental snaps from guys. That's so important. Like, and I knew you would want to hear that. See, it's bringing you much joy. That's so funny. i thought that they were

Starting point is 00:19:46 having almost like a stand-up rusher no no linebacker no it's the guy they signed to a minimum contract like two weeks ago is actually playing with the third and fourth teams but if this was matt eberflus if this was matt eberflus he he would have been in for Ibukim immediately. Oh my gosh, this comment here is so funny. He's the Udonis Haslam of the team. I can't believe you put a whole note in there that he's playing with the third team. That's the kind of training camp coverage you get from us, guys.

Starting point is 00:20:20 Now coming up, we're going to throw it over to some of your guys' questions and really dive into what you guys want to hear about this training camp so far. from us guys now coming up we're gonna throw it over to some of your guys questions and uh really dive into what you guys want to hear about this training camp so far this show is brought to you by underdog fantasy august is here and you know what that means the official start of fantasy football drafting month get championship ready for your home league by trying out best ball on underdog fantasy all you do is one live snake draft no waivers no trades underdog set your best lineup every week try it out with underdogs

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Starting point is 00:21:28 So good. I needed that today, Jake. It was a long day. Let's go with a quick one about your hat, Jake. Someone would ask what kind of brand your hat is. We'll just answer this really quick. Yes. I mean, if they want to throw me free hats for this, sure. But this is from Branded Bills. There you go. Let let's see they have not just indiana they got a bunch of different states out there but they're they're pretty cool i like them i have two different hats of this actually there we go i think i have three now that you mentioned it perfect perfect uh techno gamer 16 how has ej speed been looking is he primed for that huge breakout or just a regular breakout which which I love the positivity there. I will preface by seeing

Starting point is 00:22:05 EJ Speed has been out the last two practices with a little injury, but Jake, how was he looking before he went down with that injury? Yeah, no, he's been generally fine. Him and Zyre Franklin together is as thunderous of a run defending tandem as you can imagine. There were a couple times where Speed was there to lead the charge against runs on the outside off tackle. And so I can't make any judgments based off pass defense so far because that was kind of the big question we had about him. But as far as run defending, business as usual for him, which is really positive.

Starting point is 00:22:44 Yeah, yeah. Adam asked, how was, how has Blake Freeland and Amila Keyor been doing so far in camp? Any chance they cracked the starting lineup this season? I would say so far from everything Jake's been saying as of right now, I wouldn't say they have great chances of cracking that starting lineup because it's been pretty much the top five, but how the two rookies looked so far, Jake.

Starting point is 00:23:04 Yeah. That starting five is going to stay the starting five unless disaster happens, someone gets hurt, or they're just performing terribly, which I don't really anticipate. So a role I could see for Freeland is the extra lineman, the big tight end. Now, it's probably going to be mostly Danny Pinter when the season starts as that sixth lineman the big tight end now it's probably going to be mostly Danny Pinter when the season starts as that sixth lineman we'll see but I could see Freeland getting some snaps out there the Colts tend to do that with young offensive linemen that they really like because you you can't really disrupt the starting five throughout a game even though we've seen the Colts do that

Starting point is 00:23:41 inexplicably sometimes so the way they get those guys snaps is by being the extra blocker. I could see that with Freeland. Ekior has also missed the last two practices. I don't think we have a designation for whatever his injury is. But the last practice he participated in, he got kicked up to second team right guard from third team. So the Colts, he must be doing something that they're, they're liking. There's not much I can really say about his performance.

Starting point is 00:24:09 Cause I mean, he's the, he was the third team right guard for the most part. That group doesn't get a ton of reps. And I don't know that he had had any one-on-one reps against defensive linemen yet, but he's apparently doing stuff that the team liked at least. Yeah. I mean, again, if we're going to project what they're going to be doing for the regular season, Blake Freeland appears to be that next man up at tackle,

Starting point is 00:24:32 whether right tackle or left tackle. If one goes down, he'll be that swing guy. And then it looks like a key or is going to be battling out with guys like Wesley French, Carter O'Donnell, Danny, I mean, Danny Pinter, kind of, but Danny Pinter is probably good, but he's going to be battling out with those guys for that very last spot on the roster. So we'll see what happens with those guys there. Adam asked another question here.

Starting point is 00:24:52 If Zyre Franklin and EJ speak and hold down the linebacker positions, could we see Shaq Leonard as a rush end on passing downs? I will say this as someone who has watched every single snap of Shaquille Leonard's NFL career. I love him as a blitzer. I don't think he can be tackles one on one. That's the thing. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:12 Being a guy who has to have a pass rush plan is different than being a blitzer. But EJ speed actually was an edge defender. Quite. He played edge defender quite a bit in College of Tarleton State, both as a stand-up rusher and with his hand in the dirt. So it would most likely be Speed. Yeah, well, he's an auto.

Starting point is 00:25:33 Like, he can come in and be that auto position, which is to not go on a long spiel here. When you have that 3-4, that 4-3 hybrid defense, which teams run now, when you're in those, like, 3-4-ish looks, whatever, you're going to have EJ speed on the line of scrimmage so yeah ej speed as that auto and base defensive sets which are like what 20 of the time now in the nfl not that much but in those kind of base sets if they go for like an under look then he'll come up on the defensive line and take on like a tight end at the point of attack so it'll be more like ej speed uh being

Starting point is 00:26:03 off the edge i don't think we'll see shack leonard as a passing down speed rusher uh especially because i just don't think he's more qualified to beat an offensive tackle than guys like dio or quitty pay or samson abukam and stuff like that so i i love that thought though it seems i mean that's what madden does they put him at defensive end and have him as a speed rusher uh alex a real question, a real good question that I wanted to ask you too, is how the safety has been looking so far, because with all the hype we're getting of Daryl Baker Jr. and linebackers and defensive linemen, I feel like we've barely talked safety so far in training camp.

Starting point is 00:26:36 Yeah. I mean, just to put it plainly, the safety just haven't really been tested much. Like they're there, they're doing a solid job, but they, you know, there haven't really been a lot of yeah they're there they're doing a solid job but they you know there haven't really been a lot of like downfield shots for them to break up whenever the quarterbacks

Starting point is 00:26:51 are going downfield it's usually when the receiver is on an island with the corner um and there's no safety help back there so so far it's going okay i i know that nick cross got some kudos from his teammates a couple times today um you hear julian blackman shouting for him you know positive things a lot of the time because blackman is super animated on the sideline like yes that guy wants to be out there badly he is he's probably the loudest guy on the field without being on the field like he's on the sideline screaming for him um but no i mean nick cross has had really good things said about him from gus bradley you know he even yesterday even i think he mentioned that they want eric johnson to basically do the same things nick cross has done uh to take his game to the next level and

Starting point is 00:27:40 in terms like preparation and effectiveness and things. Nick Cross, the team likes what he's doing. He's putting himself in the right spots. I can't remember if I mentioned it on here recently, but I asked Shane Steichen about that from an offensive perspective. What are you seeing in Nick Cross? He said he's in the right spots a lot of the time now. His preparation is equal in walkthroughs as it is practices. And then, you know, the meeting rooms and things like that. So there haven't been a ton of opportunities for these

Starting point is 00:28:12 guys to make physical plays on the field. But everyone has pretty good things to say about Cross so far. That's good. That's good. We'll do two really quick ones here. Boro Ben asked, what's wrong with Jelani Woods? I'm on the silence today. He is out with a hamstring injury or a little hamstring, as we like to say here. Also, Leonard hasn't been practicing with the first team defense yet. That's mostly because they're ramping up his contact. They're not,

Starting point is 00:28:34 they're not trying to get them out there in full contact yet. This last one is directed right at you, Jake. I swear I didn't ask him, but we were talking right before the podcast. How has that at home even looking so far? We were actually just talking about this. So I'll give you the floor for the next minute, minute and a half here, Jake, to answer this one.

Starting point is 00:28:51 Yeah, so so far it's been pretty nondescript for him. He's just kind of out there. And, you know, as you have mentioned, you know, defensive tackle is kind of a tough gig to break into and be effective right away. Very athletic guy, you know, with a positive frame for the position. You can do a lot of things with him. But so far, just haven't really seen much from him. Again, a week into training camp, so that's whatever.

Starting point is 00:29:20 I can't really say much about it. What do you think about? Because I know you have opinions on defensive tackles acclimating to the league. Yeah, I feel like we'll talk more about this tomorrow when we have more freedom to kind of talk about training camp overall. But when it comes to Atatomi, I think a big thing with, again, with defensive tackles and acclimating is you're asked to do so much early on. You have to be strong into the run.

Starting point is 00:29:44 You have to be able to two-gap, especially if're on on the interior and stuff like that uh be able to hold up against double teams while also working on your hands working on creating two-way goes on the interior against offensive linemen that are jumping you with a lot more efficiency and a lot more effectiveness uh that you just really don't see at the college level so you see guys like like grover Stewart, it took him a two and a half years to really, really become Grover Stewart. You even look at a guy like,

Starting point is 00:30:10 like Taven, Brian on the roster right now, his first year in Jacksonville was terrible. Like it was awful. And then by the time that he got to his final season with the Jaguars, and he's kind of been where he is now, like, I'm not saying he lived up to his first round potential,

Starting point is 00:30:23 but he's been a solid rotational guy and actually looks like a playable asset unlike that first year in Jacksonville. So it takes these guys a while. We saw it with Taequann Lewis a little bit too when he was kind of in the same role. Dio obviously was coming off of injuries, so you could see it a little bit with him. But yeah, these big three-tech type guys that are super explosive but didn't really have to work their hands much in college because they're so powerful and explosive, but didn't really have to work their hands much in college because they're so

Starting point is 00:30:45 powerful and explosive. It takes them a good amount of time. So first week through practice, I'm kind of treating him like an Anthony Richardson right now where it's like, look, we're going to see some growing pains. Let's just, let's just see what we can do with him.

Starting point is 00:30:57 They invested a decent amount of capital in him, you know, fourth round pick and told me there. So like, yeah, I think he's, he'll be fine longterm, but it's going to take a minute there.

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