Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - Indianapolis Colts' DeForest Buckner, Kenny Moore II Shine in Blowout Win vs. Carolina Panthers

Starting point is 00:00:00 The Colts got a big lopsided win on Sunday, but they've got one more game until they could be riding high into the bye week. Let's get to it. You are locked on Colts, your daily Indianapolis Colts podcast, part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. Hello, hello. Thanks for tuning in and making us your first listen of the day. This is your daily podcast covering your Indianapolis Colts, part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day.

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Starting point is 00:01:18 and zach they needed that one uh three game skid got away from home, which is a place that they just seem to not be able to win. This is about to be a stretch where they're not home very much. They got this one out in Germany next week, bye week, and then they got the Buccaneers. So a nice little break from their losing tendencies, it seems. But yeah, 27 to 13. You'd love to say it was a team a total team effort but uh it was a kenny more and defensive team efforts uh kenny scoring 14 of his own points in the defense uh making a rookie quarterback and bryce young look like a rookie so yeah looking back at it i obviously didn't i wasn't able to get in yesterday to give my thoughts. But just 24 hours later, what has really stood out to you? We'll go ahead and start with the offensive side of the ball.

Starting point is 00:02:11 There's a lot of issues on offense right now. And I don't think a lot of the issues come down to scheme or protection or receivers getting open or running backs. So basically, when I say a lot of issues, I think the quarterback play needs to be a lot better. At the end of the day, the quarterback planes get better when, when your entire offense is purposely going into a shell late in the second

Starting point is 00:02:35 half, because they're scared of their own quarterback turning the ball over and they're, and they're realizing that it's more advantageous to do run, run, run and punt it back to Bryce young and the Carolina offense for the entirety of the fourth quarter, that's a problem. That's a problem. Like the passing game was just not there whatsoever in this game. I know at the end of the day, Gardner Minshew finished with what, like 127 yards and a touchdown and no turnover. So it

Starting point is 00:02:59 looked better than some of the other games, but it's not like he wasn't even being like a game manager in this game because he wasn't even being like a game manager in this game because he wasn't really managing the game he wasn't getting those first downs and keeping drives moving it was a not game destroyer is kind of what he was playing in this one he wasn't destroying your your own game by playing horrible football he was just throwing the ball in the dirt instead of two defenders all game long so yeah i think when you look at this game, you know, the Colts offense just wasn't good enough whatsoever. And they're lucky their defense was. And a lot of it starts and ends with the quarterback play.

Starting point is 00:03:33 Like I'm not saying it's only on Gardner Minshew. The scheme could have been a little bit better at times. Yes, the offensive line could have been a little bit better in the run game. Running backs could have hit some more holes. But overall, I think when you're looking at the main issue from this one and why it didn't work is Gardner Minshew had a really poor game and on top and another thing on top of that which I'm sure you're going to want to talk about here too is uh the Josh Downs injury was big the Josh Downs injury was really really big uh early in this game yeah for sure because I mean that's their guy who is a chain mover I mean Isaiah

Starting point is 00:04:02 McKenzie is fine but they're just not the same player. And that is someone who Minshew has been chaotic as their starting quarterback, but has been able to lean on Josh Downs quite a bit as someone who is closer to the line of scrimmage and can get things rolling. And so that vacancy is pretty big. I, let's see how much this has to do with each other. But it was actually announced by Ian Rappaport on what's today, Monday, that the Colts worked out Sammy Watkins, free agent, wide receiver, veteran Sammy Watkins. And, you know, do they expect Downs to miss a little bit of time? Cause he's had, you know, I don't know if it's the same injury. I don't want to speculate. But, you know, he missed some time with the knee injury during the offseason as well. And then, you know, this one was something that he kind of had was dealing

Starting point is 00:04:53 with this week. And then he was questionable, kind of a game time decision coming into the game, was able to give it a go, but, you know, wound up not being able to complete the game. So Sammy Watkins, the Colts worked him out. He's been an outside receiver pretty much his whole career. So I don't think that's like a direct replacement for Downs by any means if Downs were to miss more time. But certainly sitting Downs this week in Germany against the Patriots and then having the bye week to give him a to give them a couple of weeks to rest.

Starting point is 00:05:25 That's certainly something they could look to do. But no, in general, Downs leaving Ogletree, you know, he's got the foot as well. That's someone who has been able specifically with Minshew to kind of give the Colts a spark downfield as well. Cause he's kind of a mismatch. So those two guys not being out there, hopefully they're not both

Starting point is 00:05:46 missing against the Patriots because this is another very winnable game for them, an opportunity for them to build some momentum. But yeah, those two being out is not great. Yeah. And the big reason why is, you know, Josh Downs is their quick win wide receiver. We talked about a lot on this podcast throughout the season is when the Colts need a productive gain, whether that's on first down, you're trying to get five, six yards just to keep the sticks moving. If you're on third down, third and long,

Starting point is 00:06:11 third and short, whatever, and just trying to get those conversions, having your quick win wide receiver, who's that quick separator to get open against advantageous matchups is such a big asset to have in this offense. So when you lose that and your quarterback's not playing well whatsoever,

Starting point is 00:06:26 you just lose all symmetry in your passing game. Like there's just nothing going on there when it comes to the passing game. So they had to rely a lot on RPO passes and pop passes trying to get the base defense, trying to get Carolina out of their base defense, and they just still weren't able to do it. I'm really curious to see what Shane Steichen does going into this next week, because obviously Bill Belichick is going to look at that and say, Hey, we just need to run base defense all week or all game long,

Starting point is 00:06:51 but put some bare fronts out there with Lawrence guy and some other really good run defenders that we have. And they're not going to be able to run the ball on us. And, and obviously again, you're going to make Gardner Vince, you have to beat you, which he really can't do right now. So I'm curious to see if the Colts kind of lean on, Hey, maybe Kylan Granson can kind of be that quick win wide receiver, get him out there in the slot backside on empty personnel against safeties and against linebackers. Or maybe you move Michael Pittman Jr. into that role, put him into that weak side number two guy,

Starting point is 00:07:19 more of a slot type receiver and let him just win with his big body over the middle of the field and get those easy little chunk gains that they need over the middle. So they got to do something with it because Josh Downs is such an important part of this offense. I think we all saw it this past week and when your quarterback's not playing well and you don't have your easy separator who can get you those positive yards, that's a recipe for disaster in the passing game, which falls onto your run game and lowers rush success rate in the run game as well. So yeah, they really got beat up really bad by this Carolina defense because of those factors. And again, at the end of the day, the quarterback needs to play better. There were

Starting point is 00:07:54 guys that were open. There was two targets to Alec Pierce where Alec Pierce was open on both of them that just weren't even somewhat close. Yeah, they weren't even somewhat close. There were multiple other ones where Minshew had guys down the field and he got to his first hitch and then panicked in the backfield despite there not being a rush and and falling down outside the pocket or throwing it in the dirt like it just wasn't a good game from him I know he's a backup quarterback but he is a veteran player you just need better from him going forward if the Colts want to make the playoffs or at least get to 500 this season. Yeah, and they don't have to be like big game-breaking plays whatsoever.

Starting point is 00:08:31 I mean, they can be just the routine things. You were just – one play that stuck out to me when you were just talking about that was there was a little dump off to Jonathan Taylor on like a third down or something where it was just really low. Taylor had to basically fall down to get it. But I think it was Drew Ogletree was right there just on like a, a shallow curl that might've got them the first down just routine stuff like that. Again,

Starting point is 00:08:51 he's a, he's a veteran player. That's the kind of stuff you expect him to be able to adjust to. But yeah, that's the kind of stuff we'll, we'll talk about it more before the end of the show, but you know, they know how defenses are going to play them. So it's like, how can

Starting point is 00:09:07 you combat that? We've seen it as a cautionary tale back in 2021, when they kind of had to hide Carson Wentz a bit, the run game was working. But that's not something you're going to be able to guarantee. So is it an advantage to know exactly how defenses are going to play it we'll see i mean there's a reason for it you know there's a reason why they're doing that so yeah uh before again like i said we'll talk about that before the the show's over but we're also got more for you when we talk about the defensive side of the ball which was a lot more exciting to watch against this

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Starting point is 00:11:24 I actually had a few people on social media coming after me saying like Gus Bradley still needs to be fired. The Colts defense wasn't good enough in this game. Like, look, I know this Panthers offense is a train wreck. So it's not as impressive as it would be against any other team to say that the Colts defense held an offense to what 3.5 yards per play had five sacks had three interceptions, two of them being picked sixes had five sacks, had three interceptions, two of them being pick sixes. But look, at the end of the day, they got the job done. They shut down an opposing NFL offense, and they were able to get the win in this one.

Starting point is 00:11:58 I mean, it was so bad on for, like, the Panthers' offense versus the Colts' defense that, again, the whole second half, the Colts were just doing run, run, run, punt it right back, let Bryce Young get us some more points by throwing it to Kenny Moore. And that was pretty much the whole entire game plan there in the second half. So yeah, this Colts defense was dominant. I thought it was a really interesting game plan by Gus Bradley in terms of, you know, we still saw a lot of the cover three. Obviously, Gus loves his cover three, a good chunk of that in there. But there was a lot of Tampa two, a lot of cover two. And that's really where Gus Bradley got his start in the NFL you know he was with those early Tampa teams during the early days of the Tampa two so he was getting a lot of those Tampa two looks out there and and that's where Saguna Luby's interception came in actually was a Tampa

Starting point is 00:12:38 two Tampa two coverage Saguna Luby runs with the vertical tight end route turns and gets a nice little interception so see a little bit of variation from Gus Bradley in this one some two high looks I know you guys complain that it's all single high it's all cover three look we got some old Matt Eberflus type stuff in there with the Tampa two and the cover two and and you know at the end of the day the Colts defense was really not too concerned about this passing game that the Panthers had and and if you look at what the results were they really didn't have a reason to be too concerned about this passing game that the Panthers had. And, and if you look at what the results were, they really didn't have a reason to be too concerned about this Panthers passing game. They, they absolutely shut it down from day one or from minute one in this game all

Starting point is 00:13:13 the way until the end. Yeah. And the huge gripe recently has been the cornerbacks. Cause you know, they, they played it real risky with this young group and then some of them started to fall out with injuries and everything. But some guys really, really stepped up, you know, Jalen Jones. If you look at pro football focuses, grade 84.7, second highest graded defender this week. I thought Daryl Baker Jr. bounced back nicely with a 74.7. You know, again, just about every game he's played this season, you look at it and be like, oh, that was awful.

Starting point is 00:13:45 He didn't, I think he gave up a couple receptions, but I didn't think there was anything egregious out there. I thought he played tough and looked more confident. You know, and early in the season, that was a player where, you know, maybe was a little lackadaisical on coverage. And I just didn't really see that. And, you know, they weren't scared of uh of the

Starting point is 00:14:07 Panthers passing game but like the Bryce Young Adam Thielen connection could have been pretty clutch in this one if they would have allowed it to be uh just for one example but again I thought in coverage the the defense stepped up really nicely now who knows what the plan would have been because Tony Brown got got injured on the opening kickoff, and he was the big goat of last week. So would he have been the guy? Who knows? But regardless, they hid that well because Darryl Baker Jr. came in and played pretty well.

Starting point is 00:14:37 Another player I thought in the secondary did a good job, at least against the run. Julian Blackman came in, made some nice flash plays, especially late in the game, a couple of consecutive tackles for loss. I thought that was really big because in the second half, the run game for the Panthers did get some things moving. Still maybe a little worried about that run defense, but again, no Grover Stewart, which is rough, but you got guys like Ade Ade stepping up

Starting point is 00:15:06 Eric Johnson's growing a little bit so that's nice to see I know you've got to be pretty thrilled with what you've seen out of Adebore oh my gosh I had to tell me Adebore I mean he had the most fun two-play sequence ever and I've ever seen in a game I know I keep going crazy about this but in the first quarter of this game or I think it it was the, I think it was the second quarter. So in the first half running down a big kick return, this is a 285 pound defensive tackle playing on kick coverage. And he chases down the, you know, this is the big return the Panthers had where the,

Starting point is 00:15:36 the returner returned at like 40 yards to the 40 yard line. But the guy who ran the guy down was at a Tomi at a bar, again, 285 pound defensive tackle. And then you go over to the fourth quarter in this game, he's getting some snaps late because the Colts are blowing out the Panthers and he splits a double team and pass rush gets, comes down with his first sack of his career. Just the,

Starting point is 00:15:56 just the duality of that is so cool to me, seeing a player do those two things. But no, again, this was just a great overall game by the Colts defense. I think the scheme was defense. I think the scheme was fine. I think the players played well. Darrell Baker Jr. to go piggyback off what you said, only allowed four receptions on eight targets for 19 yards in this game, had a pass breakup as

Starting point is 00:16:15 well. Very few yards after the catch, which the Colts defense was great in this one at limiting yards after the catch. I mean, they struggled with that in recent weeks, but in this one in particular, they were just great. I think J they struggle with that in recent weeks, but in this one in particular, they were just great. I think Jalen Jones on the other side only allowed like one yard after catch in this game as well. So those two players played really well. I thought the Colts defensive line all game long was just getting after it and just abusing

Starting point is 00:16:37 this Panthers offensive line, even on the rushes where they weren't cleanly beating their guys. They were still making Bryce Young feel panicky in the pocket and, and pushing those tackles and there's guards right into his face. And again, shorter quarterback, slender quarterback. He's going to panic when you start getting that pressure closing in on him.

Starting point is 00:16:54 And we even saw in the Kenny Moore, Kenny Moore pick six, the first one in the first half where the pressure starts closing in, which came from two really crazy contributors came came from Isaiah Land and Jacob Martin, were the two edge rushers that caused that pressure. But it led to Bryce Young flicking it out to the flat way too late, Kenny Moore capitalizing with the pick six. So, yeah, just a really, really strong day overall from this Colts defense.

Starting point is 00:17:19 And luckily, again, this is going to kind of segue into our next segment about next week's game the offense they're facing next week is just about as bad as this panthers one uh quarterback play especially is pretty similar uh maybe they have a little bit better of a run game with the patriots but this is another matchup where this colts defense needs to stack good performances and they need to come out this next week and show that they are a good defense again and, and make us all forget about that new Orleans game. I still have it a little bit in the back of my mind,

Starting point is 00:17:49 even though this Carolina game makes me feel a little bit happier. I still have a little bit of that new Orleans game in the back of my mind, but this was a great step in the right direction for the Colts. Yeah. And I loved seeing the Colts like leaders really step up and kind of take control. Cause DeForest Buckner had another game where he played out of his mind. And I thought within context when the plays were made were pretty good. When that really stuck out, he had a tackle for loss of four yards when the Panthers were backed up

Starting point is 00:18:15 deep in their own territory on second and five. And then that is when Bryce Young got pressured by a couple of guys on the very next play, throws it out to Chuba Hubbard. EJ Speed kills the play on the very next one. Punt, you know, just stuff like that. The timing of it's really good. And Kenny Moore obviously had the two pick sixes. That is awesome. And if that's all he would have done all game, that would have been awesome.

Starting point is 00:18:39 Uh, but he had a couple of big plays, you know, he had a third down tackle on Bryce Young in the first quarter, uh, he had a third down tackle on Bryce Young in the first quarter that forced a fourth down and a punt. Like those guys are just stepping up and it's not just in spurts. It's like throughout the game that they're making these plays and just those plays that come with a little less fanfare, like defensive tackles getting their hands in the air. I think Buck had two pass breakups, two pass breakups as well.

Starting point is 00:19:05 So really good to see those guys stepping up throughout the game and just not letting things slip through their fingers. Cause you know, three straight losses in the defense has not been great throughout. It's good to see them take that personally and then carry it into this next week, which we'll talk about here shortly. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:19:23 guys, we're coming up. We're going to talk about this Colts Patriots game coming up in Germany. It's going to be a really fun matchup. We're going to preview what we want to see happen in this Colts game. What we want to see from the Colts offense. Can they bounce back? And what we want to see from this Colts defense.

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Starting point is 00:20:22 on the Patriots point total against the Indianapolis Colts in Germany next week. So visit FanDuel.com slash locked on and kick off the NFL season. FanDuel, official partner of the NFL. All right, Jake, so we're looking ahead to this Patriots game, and obviously the Colts have some injury concerns. We don't know the status of, you know, will Juju Brents be back for this game? Will Braden Smith touch the practice field this week?

Starting point is 00:20:46 Will Josh Downs or Drew Ogletree play? I mean, those are some big, big players right there. And, you know, before we really even get into talking about this game, Jake, I feel like the Colts almost certainly should rest anyone who's even kind of iffy for this one. Like, don't rush someone back one week before the bye, especially on an overseas game where there's already going to be some jet lag like i'm not saying take this game as like another mini buy or anything and sit a bunch of players but if you have like like josh downs for

Starting point is 00:21:15 instance this this week against the carolina panthers was a true game time decision where he's going to test out the knee and not be 100 playing in the game if that's the same situation going into next week don don't play him. Just don't play him. Like there's no need to push it or to rush it. Let these guys heal up and give them two weeks to get healthy if they need it. But yeah, a couple of injury concerns coming into this one. Isaiah Franklin's another one in there who might be out another week if he, you know,

Starting point is 00:21:40 if his knee doesn't feel better going into this Germany game. Yeah, because this is already a really disruptive week because, I mean, what are they leaving for Germany with like three days or something? Like you can't just take that whole time to acclimate. You got to practice. You got to get ready for this thing. You got to probably do more media, I got to imagine.

Starting point is 00:21:59 So not doing too much. And some of these guys who are already on the fringe. I'm right there with you because like Braden Smith, that doesn't seem likely on kind of a short week. Josh Downs, eh. And, you know, you could – this is one where you could call up like K.J. Hamler to help out behind Isaiah McKenzie in this one for Josh Downs. Like those guys together could probably get the job done.

Starting point is 00:22:27 I've got to imagine. And with Ogletree, to your point, no, Kylan. Granson is back. You have Will Mallory, who's right here. You've got guys who can step up and kind of fill that void. Yeah. And, you know, if Daryl Baker has to play again, they've clearly not shown a lot of confidence in him.

Starting point is 00:22:45 But Juju Brents, whether or not he plays, you alluded to this, is not a potent passing game by any means. I don't really think you're scared of Mac Jones too much. So I think you're right. I wouldn't push it too much with these injured guys, but looking at the offense, you know, we've talked about some things that, you know, kind of got us in the dubs a little bit about them. Bill Belichick, regardless of what your strength is, he's known for taking that away. So, obviously, that is the run game. Luckily for the Colts, they have the luxury of having Jonathan Taylor

Starting point is 00:23:21 and Zach Moss. Jonathan Stewart, who we talked to last week, said that that changes things for defenses because it's two fresh, powerful running backs all the time. So what would you look at considering these injuries and considering we know how the Patriots defense is going to play the Colts? How can they counter that in this matchup? The Colts need to find some way to throw defenses out of base like look you you can run on base defense in the NFL you can do it but it's so much harder than running against lighter boxes obviously there's there's so many studies and stats that prove this that that back this up where it's simply easier to run against lighter boxes you have one linebacker in the box and four

Starting point is 00:24:01 down linemen it's much easier to run the ball than when you have three base linebackers in there, four down linemen, and a safety creeping down, which we've seen the last two weeks against the Indianapolis Colts. You know, the New Orleans Saints were having their nickel looks, but they were bringing down their nickel corner, bringing down their safety, and just stacking the box. This past week against the Carolina Panthers, they're running some bare fronts, getting some five defensive linemen out there,

Starting point is 00:24:24 as well as bringing down their strong safety. They were selling out to stop the run, and the Colts passing game has not been good enough to throw defenses out of it. Now, this next week is going to be big, because if you look at this Patriots defense, they've been vulnerable this year. It's more vulnerable than really any Bill Belichick defense has really ever been. They're really banged up, really injured.

Starting point is 00:24:43 It's just not a super great unit on that side of the ball for the patriots this year you have to find some way to throw the patriots out of base defense if they're going to sit in base defense all game against you you're going to get killed if you can't if you can't throw them out of it because if they take away that run game they're forcing you to third and nine third and ten with gardner minchu you're already cooked before the drive starts you know before, or before that drive gets going. So yeah, they need to find something in the passing game, whether that's more empty personnel, where that's leaning on more middle of the field RPOs, whether that's more high lows and just quicker reads for Gardner Minshew, whether that's like taping Gardner Minshew's feet to the ground. So he's not like jumping around and, and sprinting

Starting point is 00:25:21 in circles all the time. I don't know what the solution is right now, but I really do think there needs to be a sit down with Gardner between Steichen and the offensive staff. It's like, hey, we need to get this passing game going. What is working for you? What's not working for you? Where do you feel most comfortable? And we need to lean heavily on that because the last two weeks have just not been good enough

Starting point is 00:25:40 from that position. And then you start leaning on more things in that passing game just to keep drives moving. They need a higher success rate. They need more third and ones, third and twos, third and threes, rather than these third and nines, third and tens, where there's just no chance of conversion. It's a big week for the offense. It's a huge, huge week for the offense just to get that passing game on track and seeing if they can actually throw a defense out of base defense for the first time and in you know three four weeks now yeah and something they did uh to that point a correction they made that i i thought worked pretty well was getting jonathan taylor more involved in the

Starting point is 00:26:15 passing game again 22 yards does not stick out much but five receptions you know there was a couple in there that i think got called back because of penalties and things like that. But I thought Taylor's involvement in the passing game was really productive in general. And it's something I would continue to do because that's that's every single time the coaching staff out there and only has to beat one guy, like a lot of times that can be paid or like, I would keep him. I would keep getting him involved in it. Just, it doesn't have to be these dump offs right outside, like get him going over the middle on these angle routes or anything. Just, you know, keep that going. That's something Gardner can do. Maybe now over, over the middle of the field could be tough at times,

Starting point is 00:27:04 you know, he likes to get his little happy feet but that's something I would keep doing I didn't involvement he seems to be good for one beautiful pass to a tight end per game so I would keep dialing those up but yeah all I know is I'm they're not it's not going well for New England but i'm still worried that's a team that sacked the colts nine times just last year in the game that got frank reich fired now vastly different personnel but bill belichick still knows what he's doing and like he's still facing a quarterback that's not blowing the doors off anyone by any means uh so i'm not taking this patriots team lightly considering what they just did to the Colts last year.

Starting point is 00:27:48 Yeah, yeah, for sure. It just needs to be a get right on track game for this Colts offense. Need to be able to run the ball again, but especially again, throw defenses out of base. That is the most important thing going forward for this Colts team. If they cannot do that going forward, they will not get to 500 this year. They will not even get to seven wins this year if they can't do that because you cannot win in the NFL without throwing defenses out of base. So we'll see if the Colts can do that against the Patriots this week.

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