Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - Indianapolis Colts Draft Target Cam Hart Looks the Part at Notre Dame's Pro Day

Starting point is 00:00:00 A couple of potential Colts really stood out at the Notre Dame Pro Day, and Andrew and I were there to tell you all about the action. Let's get to it. You are Locked On Colts, your daily Indianapolis Colts podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. All right. Thanks for tuning in and making us your first listen of the day. This is your daily podcast covering your Indianapolis Colts, part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day.

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Starting point is 00:01:08 We went and told you about what we saw at Toledo. And then Andrew, Drake Wally, and myself were all out at Notre Dame's Pro Day this week as well. So we're going to go ahead and let you know what we saw there. Because obviously with Notre Dame, they have more draftable guys there. There's more guys that fit the Colts uh so we got plenty to talk about we'll go ahead and start with the the headliners uh the guys who pretty good chance they're going to hear their names called within the first couple days and then we'll type who kind of stood out among the rest of them uh so we'll start with Joe Alt, Cam Hart, and Audrick Estime. Alt doesn't really factor into the Colts whatsoever,

Starting point is 00:01:46 but he's the top prospect. He's pretty much locked into a top 10 pick. So again, doesn't factor in for the Colts, but I thought he still looked really good. Him and Blake Fisher were the only two offensive linemen working out, and you could tell which one of them was going to be the top 10 pick. Yeah, he really could. And just to see the number of offensive line coaches

Starting point is 00:02:07 that were really up close to see Joe Alt work. I mean, you're talking about the Los Angeles Chargers, the New England Patriots, the Jacksonville Jaguars, Denver Broncos. Those were just a few of the offensive line coaches that really wanted to get up close to see Joe Alt. And, and you could just, uh, uh, Chris, uh, famous Chris Ballard saying is you could feel it. Well, you could feel Joe Alt out there, you know, massive human being, but, but he's quick. You can tell he's athletic and, and, and you just see the, the fluidity that he has at the offensive line

Starting point is 00:02:41 position. Uh, yeah, I think he is going to, he's pretty much locked in as a top 10 pick, probably the first offensive lineman off the board once we get to April. And really, he could go anywhere from number five to the Los Angeles Chargers, all the way down to probably number 10 with the New York Jets. So I would honestly be shocked if Joe Alt didn't get out of that top 10. But yeah, great player. He's going to be a franchise left or right tackle for whoever takes him for years to come. Yeah. And we talked to him afterward. He said there are some teams that seem on the left or right side, at least maybe initially on the right before kicking over to the left.

Starting point is 00:03:21 But despite all the noise, all the mock drafts and buzz and everything he's just trying to kind of keep his head down and look forward uh i would urge teams not to overthink this go like just because joe all is the safe bet doesn't mean that there's not also like a ton of upside there like if you want your cornerstone left tackle for the next 10 12 years whatever you go ahead and put joe all on the draft card uh but looking at a couple guys that uh really fit the colts i think pretty well cam hart and uh audrick estimate so we'll start with estimate his heart we didn't even know if he was going to do anything until like the very end uh so the big issue with audrick was the tape was great most of the athletic testing looked really good.

Starting point is 00:04:07 The field workout at the combine was good, but he ran that four seven at the combine, which was puzzling because he's not a burner, but his tape doesn't say four seven. And then here he comes. I don't know if he was just a bad day or whatever out in India at the combine, but Notre Dame clocked him at out in the, at the combine.

Starting point is 00:04:29 But Notre Dame clocked him at an official four or five, eight. You and I timed him as well. I think I had four or five, four on both of his runs. You had four or five, one, I think. Yes. So we had pretty good times on him. And you know, between us and the scouts, we all had in the four or fives. So he, I think he made himself some some money maybe the difference of an entire round because the tape doesn't lie but at the same time if a

Starting point is 00:04:52 guy's running a four seven that's pretty telling so if he came out again at the pro day and ran high four sixes and the four sevens whatever that was going to be a huge issue so now teams know that he has decent speed to go with all the tackle breaking and everything else you see pass protection the athleticism we saw to hurdle things like that they they simulated him you know hitting the hole getting through the garbage and hurtling what a would-be linebacker during his drills as well they really wanted to kind of show off everything he could do uh he was also one of uh one of the primary pass catchers for sam hartman later in the day as well yeah i think he he definitely

Starting point is 00:05:30 made himself some money um i when when you saw his his his 40 at the combine i mean that's that's that was concerning you know because it just didn't match the film you know so he comes out notre dame pro day and he runs that four or five. That's about what you would expect. You know, he's not a burner by any means. He's more of a big bruising running back, but he can still, once he gets in the open field, he can be hard to catch. So yeah, I definitely feel like, like he, he improved on that. And then we even asked him, you know, why, why such the,

Starting point is 00:06:03 why such a difference between what you ran at the combine versus today? And he just said, you know, some days you just have off days. You know, he was very honest about it, which I thought was really good. He said, you know, this is probably something he's never going to have to run again in his life. So he's glad he was able to improve and show teams that what happened at the combine was just an anomaly. So when you look at the tape, I mean, if I don't necessarily think that the Colts will be looking for to add a running back in the draft for where estimate is likely to go third, fourth round. But I think he would be a great fit to back up Jonathan Taylor. You know, he shows that he can pick up the tough

Starting point is 00:06:43 yardage. He's quick in and out of his cuts, definitely athletic. And while he's not necessarily a burner like Jonathan Taylor, he can pick up those tough yardages. And he's not going to be a guy that normally gets stopped at the light of scrimmage. You know, he's going to pick up two to three yards just because of his physicality, you know. So, yeah, i thought he did a great job like you said definitely earned himself some money and uh i think established himself as a mid-round pick in the in this in this april's draft yeah this is a weird year for running backs there's really no uniformity to people's rankings i like you could throw five

Starting point is 00:07:22 different running backs on the board from anywhere you see round one to seven and there's going to be teams with any of those guys in their top three you know like this is just a really weird year for that so you don't know where he's really ranked most commonly but one thing i know for sure is if that four seven was going to stand he was probably going to be a later day three guy so uh he definitely helped himself out. I didn't initially think the Colts would really be into a running back, but we know they wanted Zach Moss back, but just at the right price. And then the fact they were in on A.J. Dillon, I thought was interesting. So if you want a guy cut from a similar cloth, Estimé makes sense. He's a three down back. I mean mean he's not got all the juice that

Starting point is 00:08:05 jonathan taylor does obviously but he probably offers more than anything else you've got behind taylor on the roster and then a guy who makes a lot of sense early for the colts as early as day two you know round two we think uh cam hart now pleasant surprise because for a while we didn't think he was going to work out he's kind of of just, you know, in his, in just regular, you know, casual clothes and had a hat on and stuff and wasn't doing anything until later in the day, finally started loosening up.

Starting point is 00:08:32 He did just the field workouts, but man, did he look good? He, he looked out, he gave major Juju Brents vibes too. Like he's a big lengthy guy and just the way he moved, we were watching his hips closely

Starting point is 00:08:45 uh when he was doing the back pedal things and then the you know back pedal into the interception drills and he just looked smooth out there again like with joe walton blake fisher there were a few defensive backs out there but there was one who was clearly going to be an early pick in the nfl draft and i mean that includes thomas Thomas Harper who had a great day otherwise. But no, I thought in the small sample size, we saw Cam Hart. I thought he looked really good and put a beautiful bow on what has been a really, really good pre-draft process for him. He really does remind you of Juju Brents.

Starting point is 00:09:20 I mean, the way he moves, even his athletic profile is kind of similar, you know, of six foot three, 200 pounds, real long arms and legs, and just his ability to, he's not going to be a burner per se. He's not a four three guy, but he can cover a lot of ground very, very quickly because of those long strides, you know, and that's something that I really wanted to pay attention to yesterday was how quickly he was able to kind of turn his hips. Because with those bigger corners, that can be kind of an issue. But I saw what I saw yesterday. It really looked good, looked smooth, he was able to cover ground, we've seen what he has done at Notre Dame, you know, going up against high quality competition.

Starting point is 00:10:05 That game this past season where he went up against Marvin Harrison Jr. was one of Cam Hart's best games at Notre Dame. So the tape is really good. And if the Colts are looking to add another cornerback in the same mold as a Juju Brents, you know, round two for Cam Hart. I mean, very well could be the spot, you know, 46 if the Colts trade back. At this point, I think you're kind of risking it if you're waiting for Cam Hart to be available in round three. It seems like the longer we go and the more teams look into him, he's getting more and

Starting point is 00:10:44 more buzz and starting to shoot up draft boards let's go ahead and pause this real quick never mind we're alive can't pause it that's showbiz baby anyways let's close the door oh i love going live so much it is my favorite. So after this, we're going to talk about some of the other guys who really, really stood out and probably made themselves maybe a little money and fit the Colts pretty well as well. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. What's the first thing you do if you have an extra hour in your day? Put your dog away for an extended period of time, make sure they get some extra outside time. I'm certainly considering that right now.

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Starting point is 00:13:13 fisher now he's had a really he's got rocky tape he's had a rocky off season uh he measures really well but it's he's it's not been the best athletic testing that you've seen. He definitely seems like a Colts type, just kind of an athletic, traits-y type guy who's raw and you really need to work on. I'd say kind of the same for Javante Jean-Baptiste as well, the edge. Yeah, I agree. Blake Fisher kind of puzzles me because he has the traits. You look, he's got long arms.

Starting point is 00:13:47 He's, he's athletic overall. He doesn't have the best athletic testing numbers. Like you said, I think his RAS is in the sevens. Typically the Colts are looking for guys that are in the high eights to nines, but, and, and you think with, with how his, his makeup is that he would be, he would be better, a better tackle, but he's just, he has some consistency issues. And I think that's the makeup is that he would be a better tackle, but he has some consistency issues. And I think that's the biggest thing that stands out. He still seems like he's pretty raw in his development.

Starting point is 00:14:12 So if you're a team that's looking to go after an athletic offensive tackle, he's not as athletic as Blake Freeland, but he's got some of the same traits. It's going to take some time to work with Blake Fisher. So if you're looking in the mid rounds for a swing tackle, a guy that you're not expecting to play right away, really need to just refine his game, then yeah, I could see a team taking a chance on Blake Fisher because everything physically is there. It's just about putting it all together on the field. And then John Baptiste, I mean, again, a long athletic pass rusher. He did not work out yesterday. But when we talked to him

Starting point is 00:14:52 after the pro day, Drake asked him a really good question about his versatility and what separates him as a pass rusher. And I think he said being able to use his quickness, use his athletic ability to really get after the quarterback. So again, these are the types of guys that you see teams bet on late in the draft, in those mid-to-mid rounds, day three, because they have those athletic traits. And the coaches have confidence that they're able to mold these guys into quality players. So typically Notre Dame has a few of these guys every single year, just because of the type of program that they are. So it wouldn't surprise me if we saw these

Starting point is 00:15:37 guys go early on anywhere, really on day three, whether it's early for Blake for Blake Fisher, I think Sean Baptiste is probably you're looking at the later rounds on on day three whether it's early for blake for blake fisher i think sean baptiste is probably you're looking at the at the later rounds on on day three but both really athletic prospects that the coaches are going to want to get their hands on yeah when it comes to fisher i think that now they don't go based off rasm they have their own metrics i'm sure right it's pretty comparable i still think it's a little low for them to take anywhere before like round seven. That feels like a flyer type move to me.

Starting point is 00:16:08 Now I have heard buzz of him being like maybe as early as a third round pick. If some team is really intrigued by the potential there. But if he's there in like the seventh round or something, perhaps the Colts make a move if they work him out and he just like really shows out I I think what we know he's capable of athletically plus what he measures as is pretty intriguing but we'll have to see it just seems like there's more there for him than what he's shown and then again of course uh John Baptiste they're love their traitsy, raw edge rushers. The last couple

Starting point is 00:16:48 guys I wanted to mention, linebacker Maris Lefow and the nickel corner Thomas Harper. Now, Lefow is another long, athletic linebacker, off-ball linebacker. Has some problems. We talked to some people who cover Notre Dame. Has some problems identifying run and pass sometimes and can maybe Problems, you know, we talked to some people who, you know, cover Notre Dame, has some problems identifying, you know, running past sometimes and can maybe over-pursue things. That, to me, sounds a lot like Saguna Luby. Could be a special team standout.

Starting point is 00:17:15 That's one thing we heard, you know, get this guy on special teams and let him really show out until he's ready to play defensively. And then Thomas Harper, the nickel corner, every player I heard who spoke yesterday after their workouts, when they were asked, you know, who stood out to you, every one of them said, Thomas Harper, uh, you know, a really solid athletic testing jumped out of the gym with the vertical broad and 40. And, uh, I thought he had an up and down field workout working out with the dbs but his athletic testing was terrific 42 inch vertical he was you jumping out of the gym is the correct term

Starting point is 00:17:53 for thomas harper so yeah a guy that that definitely i don't think he he is he's reached his full potential yet still another guy that's that's pretty raw so you that that's a guy late on day three that you could possibly see taking a flyer on but but i think we if i was is very interesting because of of the need the colts have for for a pass catching linebacker i'm sorry a pass coverage linebacker um yes he does have some some trouble run versus pass, but the way he was moving yesterday in those drills, I mean, you can see why he was Notre Dame's best pass coverage linebacker. So if the Colts are looking to, again, they need to add some linebacker depth, I think.

Starting point is 00:18:40 You have Zyre Franklin locked down. E.J. Speed is entering the final year of his deal. And behind that, because Shaquille Leonard is no longer here, you don't really have much. You have Saguna Luby, which you're like, okay, that's okay depth. But if Zyra Franklin or EJ Speed go down, you could be in a really vulnerable position at linebackers. So it wouldn't surprise me if the Colts look to add a linebacker on day three, another

Starting point is 00:19:07 guy that they could, that has really high athletic traits that they can kind of mold into their own because they've done, they've done it with Zyra Franklin. They've done it with EJ speed and you can probably expect the next linebacker to, to go the same way. So, but, but Leofo is very interesting. I would like to see, dive into his tape a little bit more to see how, how problematic he is as far as diagnosing a play, but the athleticism is there and, and you could see it pretty quickly on the field. Now, can he translate that to the NFL game

Starting point is 00:19:41 and end up being a linebacker that can be used on not only just in passing situations, but on rundowns as well. Yeah, that's exactly right. He's another one of those guys you want to go back and see what the film looks like, because I'm feel fairly confident they're going to take at least one linebacker on day three. And Chris Ballard is a pretty decent hit rate on those type of guys. So I would definitely put Lee Fowl in the conversation. I thought he stood out a little bit, the senior bowl as well. I made a couple mental notes about him. Oddly enough in the run game, if I remember correctly, well, J.D. Bertrand, I feel like made a play in the past game. So they kind of switched roles a little bit there. But that's about it from what we saw from the Notre Dame Pro Day. Hopefully, like us, this has you going back to watch a couple of these guys,

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Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - Indianapolis Colts Draft Target Cam Hart Looks the Part at Notre Dame's Pro Day

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