Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - Indianapolis Colts Grab JT Tuimoloau Round 2, Make PUZZLING Pick Round 3

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Starting point is 00:00:49 Post your jobs for free at LinkedIn dot com slash locked on NFL. Turns and conditions apply. Hello, everyone. My name is Zach Hicks from your favorite film nerd over at Horseshoe huddle dot com and draft nerd, I guess, this week as well. And I'm joined, as always, by Jake Arthur, our boots on the ground for the site. He's over there at Colts facility recording from his car right now, like he usually does on draft night. We are here talking about the Colts new additions.

Starting point is 00:01:17 They drafted Ed Drusher, JT to email low out in round two. It's going to be a tough one for me, but I'm going to get there. I'm practicing to get there. I'm practicing nonstop JT to a Malua in round two out of Ohio State and then cornerback Justin Wally in the third round. We're going to talk about both of those picks today and then preview a little bit of day three,

Starting point is 00:01:38 my favorite day of the draft coming up tomorrow. But first, Jake, let's talk about JT. Two-way Malo Owl here to start off the show. And this is a guy that you saw at the Ohio State Pro Day this offseason. You talked very highly about him when we did our entire Ohio State show a couple weeks ago. And I believe you also had him in your final mock draft for the Indianapolis Colts. So well done, sir. Well done. You you've got that one correct there. So what did you like about JT that that really made you one talk about him highly after the Ohio State Pro Day and

Starting point is 00:02:13 then to I mean have him in that final Colts mock draft. Yeah, man. Thanks for pointing out all those things that definitely makes me feel good heading into this one. But no, this this guy is absolutely stout. He is really good against the run. He doesn't get pushed around. But he's also got enough like athleticism and bend and he's he's really good when you hear guys talk about converting like speed to power and everything. I I've said this a couple times now. So I feel like I'm probably getting annoying with it. But like, I've said this a couple of times now, so I feel like I'm probably getting annoying with it. But like since last year, I feel like I missed pretty good on Jared verse. I just overlooked him a lot. And guys with a blend of power and athleticism and stuff. That's going to translate to the NFL somehow. And this guy is for me, I really like college production when it comes to edge guys. And he's got it. He's been first team all big 10 three straight years. And let's see, in those three years, he has 40 tackles for loss and 21 sacks. And the college football playoffs,

Starting point is 00:03:19 he had like six and a half sacks, he went on a crazy few game run there. So this guy is ascending. He has I mean, playing in the Big 10 and playing against the competition he played in weekend and week out. And in the playoffs, he's playing in NFL caliber guys every single week. And so when you've got the size, again, it's not even just like the height weight because he's like, 6465 about about 260 but he's got nearly 34 inch arms as well and like ten and a half inch hands so like This guy would have to absolutely bomb out of nowhere to not translate to the NFL somehow Like I think at minimum he's gonna be a very good run defender for the Colts with a lot of like pass rushing upside.

Starting point is 00:04:06 I don't think he's going to be like a Kamoko Toure like super bend the edge fastball type of edge rusher. He's much more going to be a power guy that does have some flexibility to kind of run the arc a little bit. But overall, I just think he's really well rounded. And I think he's a three down guy. You're not going to have to take him out in a bunch of different situations, which to me means that, you know, fast forward to next year, you've got all these important defensive ends that are going to be coming up on free agency. He may be a dark horse to be a starter next year.

Starting point is 00:04:41 You know what I mean? Like you may be looking at JT to a Malo out and and layout to lots of is your primary defensive ends for the long term moving forward after this. Well, I mean, I dare I say it might happen this year, he might start some games over quiddy pay just because look, quiddy pay has no tie to this new regime coming in on the defensive side of the ball. So nothing's guaranteed for the guys who have been here. You know, it's an open competition in camp and a player like JT just fits what Lou Anarumo wants out of his defensive end. You look at what he's had the last couple of years in Sam Hubbard there with the Cincinnati Bengals, who is another guy who's a big, long, athletic, uh, defensive end that plays the run really well.

Starting point is 00:05:21 And he's a really good complimentary rusher. And I think that's the way I would describe JT when watching his film, is just he's a guy who compliments disruptive rushers. You know, he is not a player who is going to have this sky high pass rush win rate. Like he's not gonna be up there with the top pass rushers in the league,

Starting point is 00:05:39 but what he does do is he pressures the pocket, he sets a hard edge while rushing the passer, and then he knows how to disengage from his guy when the quarterback is moving in the backfield. So when you have guys like DeForest Buckner and Leatu Latu, who they are so quick getting off their blockers and they're so quick getting into the backfield and making those quarterbacks move, I think it's really good to have a complimentary piece like JT who can just get off of his blocks and finish plays We saw a lot last year where a lot of his sacks weren't really on that like first initial rush

Starting point is 00:06:11 Getting a super clean win and and getting the guy down. It really is Displacing with your hands early driving back with power and then working your hands again to just create that disengagement And finish the play for a sack It's never gonna be these super clean rushes from him where he's getting the quarterback in one and a half seconds. With him, the sacks are going to be at the two and a half second mark, at the three second mark, three and a half second mark. But when you have disruptors on the other side who are forcing the action to him, and then he can disengage and finish plays off, it just makes your entire defense better. So when we're looking at him as a pass rusher, it's not going to be with these

Starting point is 00:06:47 high end traits, these super, you know, super gaudy numbers with him, but he's going to be a very good compliment to what the Colts have. And then the real impact is in the run defense. I mean, he is a force player in run defense. He has long arms. He's physical at the point of attack. If you dare to put a tight end on him, you're going to be in a lot of pain because he just gets those tight ends off him in a hurry. And then I mean, when you leave him unblocked, he makes you pay for leaving him unblocked.

Starting point is 00:07:14 He crashes downhill with a ton of speed and aggression and he finishes plays in the backfield. So from day one, you're going to get just a top end run defending defensive end. I think he had like the fifth highest pro football focus run defense grade among defensive ends in this class this past season with some good upside as a complimentary rusher. I think this is a high floor, maybe a little bit of a low ceiling, but I think this is a very high floor type pick. And when we look at Chris Ballard's tenure with the Colts and where he's

Starting point is 00:07:41 missed at defensive end in his career, it's been a lot of swings on those guys who are high ceiling, very low floor, the Ben Banagu, the Kamoko Tureis, Quidipay to a degree. I mean, Pay has put himself in a good floor in the NFL, but Quidipay was also kind of that, Dio D'Angbo's kind of that as well. He's kind of missed on these picks swing for that high ceiling where a guy like JT is not gonna have the high RAS the high athleticism scores or the high upside as a pass rusher But he's just gonna be a good NFL player Just a rock solid NFL player and look when he's missed so much at edge in his career as a general manager I understand just getting a player who fits Luana Rumo Who's gonna be a pretty solid player for you and you're going to be, you can be comfortable starting him on Sunday.

Starting point is 00:08:28 So, I mean, I think he's going to have a big role this next season. I think he's going to get out there and play a good chunk of snaps. And we'll see if that leads to Quidipay walk in after the year. But I think he's going to be a big time role player for the Colts this season. Yeah, I still think they could look to add a guy who's like a designated pass rusher type, like an Elijah Ponder or something like near the end. But this, I think really, really, like you mentioned,

Starting point is 00:08:54 raises the floor of the group, because I do see him kind of in the same vein as Quiddie Pay, but like a bigger, longer version. And then obviously, you know, much younger with a cleaner entry history than Tyquan Lewis. So you're getting a guy in here who is kind of a younger, more durable version of some of the guys you've got there.

Starting point is 00:09:15 And again, he doesn't have to be such a niche player either. Like him and Quiddipay are both like three down players. There there's just, there's not much not to like here. Again, you're probably not looking at a perennial 10, 12 sack guy, which is fine. But if you got him in the second round, if he's giving you Quidipay's production, that's fine. Like that's perfectly good and well with me.

Starting point is 00:09:38 He might even be a better run defender, we'll see. Well, yeah, I think he's a better fit for this system than Quidipay because Quidipay, good run defending guy, but he's at like 250, you know, 260 at best is what Quidipay plays at. And in this system, you want your defensive ends to be doing a lot more five tech, you want more six tech, six I, so they're going to be taking on more double teams and taking on more offensive tackles at the point of attack. Quidipay is a good run defending for what Gus Bradley's system asked him to do. I don't know if it's going to translate as well for this system,

Starting point is 00:10:09 where Quidipay is probably best in a wide nine, crashing downhill. So I think this is just a good pick for the future with Louie Anarumo. We'll see if it lasts more than one year, obviously, with Anarumo and Ballard and Steichen, but I think this very much fits what Anarumo wants, and I almost guarantee that Anarumo was like, yeah, give me this guy. I very much like him here.

Starting point is 00:10:27 So, yeah, maybe he doesn't have the upside as other pass rushers that were there, like a Landon Jackson or I mean, a Mike Green. We'll we'll we'll mention Mike Green here, even though I'm glad the Colts did not take him. But, you know, you get a guy like JT who is very beloved in locker room, comes with that championship pedigree very productive in college and Fits what this team is looking for so overall very very solid pick I mean if you're putting like a grade on it

Starting point is 00:10:52 It feels like a very good like BB plus type pick you know you're not swinging for the fences to get that a plus But you know what you're doing you're getting a good solid player in here. That's gonna contribute from day one So very much like that pick but coming up we have a controversial pick from the Colts. They went cornerback in round three and a cornerback that most draft boards had quite a bit ways down. So we'll talk about Justin Wally here in just a second. As a small business owner, your work doesn't end when the clock hits five. Your business is always on your mind, which means when it's time to hire, you need a partner who works just as hard as you do. And that's where LinkedIn jobs comes in. When you clock out, LinkedIn clocks in. LinkedIn makes it easy to post your job for free, share it with your network and get qualified candidates all in one place.

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Starting point is 00:12:17 Again, they surprised everybody in round three by going with Minnesota cornerback Justin Wally, a player who was outside the top hunt 100 for most big boards. I will say that Daniel Jeremiah had him had him in at 97 on his final big board. So there was some love for him in the draft community. But, Jake, before I give my just nerdy scouting report on Wally from everything I saw here, what was your reaction when they made the selection of a cornerback when they had, you know, offensive line needs and offensive linemen on the board there? I, I don't hate the fact that it was a cornerback because like, you know, there were, there were some guys on the board who would have been adequate picks around that range.

Starting point is 00:12:56 You know, we, we saw Porter was still around in that area as aria Thomas was around in that, in that area. So like there were was around in that are in that area. So like there were guys that were being picked around that 80th spot that would have been good picks for corner. I have not watched Wally yet. I didn't expect to be thrown for a loop already by the 80th pick, especially by the Colts considering, you know, we typically know what they covet, but this, this team has gone rogue. You know, cornerback was one of those positions where we knew what the archetype was.

Starting point is 00:13:32 But now I don't think we do anymore. I mean, Lou Anarumo is in so that's a little different. But like, Mike Abraham was an outlier. Jaylen Simpson to a degree was as well. And I mean, Isaiah Rogers was, but he was a kick returner. Like that was his main purpose. And he had the ability to take the ball away. This guy is small, you know, 510. I think 190. He's got short arms as well, but like oddly large hands for his size.

Starting point is 00:13:59 I asked him without trying to be rude. I asked him and we asked Chris Ballard, you know, what is it about you? Cause like, you don't necessarily, without looking at your tape, you don't scream early round pick really. And, you know, he, he mentioned he's got a lot of versatility. Like he could play inside outside. He could play safety as well.

Starting point is 00:14:21 Uh, Chris Ballard mentioned that he's got like really unique speed. Like I think he ran Chris said it was four, three, seven. I think his official time on NFL.com is like four, four. But I get the feeling they think like his play speed is very, very good. Like actually on the field could take the ball away. I think he had twenty seven pass breakups and seven picks for your starter. So that's pretty good. I think the Colts have made it a point to look for guys with high character and

Starting point is 00:14:50 a lot of experience. And this guy obviously checks off both of those things. So again, I don't know about the third round. A lot of places had him even like in the sixth round. I'm not gonna skewer the player because I haven't watched him yet and it does sound like there's some good traits in him but this guy does not seem like a Layup like you know like a Darien Porter or something at a corner back

Starting point is 00:15:19 You can see the plan there if they would have taken him at three But other than receiver, cornerback is probably your most crowded room on the roster right now. Yeah, like this feels like a Mike Abraham, Jaylen Simpson type thing, but in the third round, but I don't think it is because it's an early enough pick to where he's not guaranteed a spot on that opening day roster, but it's pretty damn good chance, you know, so now it means who's the odd man out? Like someone's probably got to go. That's a ton of corners to bring onto the roster. Otherwise, right. Just to add, I have so many things

Starting point is 00:15:56 to respond with that. I hopefully I can do the five minutes here. But one thing I will say to the, you know, Colts shouldn't have taken a corner because they have guys on the roster. We don't know if they have guys on the roster because Luan Arumo has a type and it's Luan Arumo's defense now. So we're looking at guys like Jalen Jones, Samuel Womack, Juju Brantz as potential guys for the system. We have no clue how they internally feel about those guys right now and how and Arumo feels about it. So for me, I never really wrote off corner early in this draft because of that. I was always just more kind of curious on how they approached corner. And whatever, whatever range they took corner, I thought could make sense

Starting point is 00:16:36 because we just don't have anything guaranteed right now on the roster. I mean, technically they have an open spot as the second outside corner because we just don't know, I mean does this new defensive staff like Jalen Jones enough to start him? I would keep them around but we don't know how they feel about that. We know that Lou Anarumo values versatility and foot speed at the cornerback position and Justin Wally has that. These other corners on the roster, Juju Brentz does not have that. Jalen Jones does not have that jalen jones does not

Starting point is 00:17:05 have the foot speed samuel womack a little bit more but you know it's still not even what wally has so i understand uh the colts looking at a corner from that perspective now to go over wally himself i watched a lot of his film after the colts took him here and i still do disagree a little bit with a third round valuation on him but I see the vision. I think this is a good player like you mentioned four-year guy for your starter at at At his school what Minnesota Minnesota? Sorry, it's late at night here for your starter at Minnesota 40 starts in his career a lot of ball production a lot of interceptions a lot of past breakups I thought the film was pretty good for the most part, especially in zone coverage. A very good zone guy, comes downhill really well.

Starting point is 00:17:49 Very good tackler, much better tackler than, again, the Womax and the Joneses that we see on this roster, despite his size. I think that he's got this defensive weapon type of build with him where he can be a blitzer from the slot. He can late rotate over the top as a safety. He can be an outside corner. I actually see him more as an outside corner than a slot corner. Personally, when I watched a lot more snaps there, surprisingly.

Starting point is 00:18:15 Yeah, I I get that. Some people want to put him in the slot because he's smaller. But personally, when I watched him on film, I don't see a slot corner. Like I think the blitzing ability would be cool from the slot, and I think he's a good tackler, but I kind of like him more on the outside. But just so I'm not all just puffing up smoke on him here, I do think there are some issues in man coverage, and I do think he does need to get a little bit cleaner in his technique.

Starting point is 00:18:39 His technique does need a good bit of refinement. So, again, I'm not saying I love this pick. I'm not saying in third round is where I would have targeted him. But I see the vision. I think in year one, let's say Jones wins the outside starting cornerback spot. I think Wally can be a very good dime defender where you can just plug and play him across the defense as like a third safety or as a second nickel, like a second slot corner in some sets and stuff.

Starting point is 00:19:02 Like I think he can be a pretty good versatile piece for your defense. But again, a bit high for me. It's still a little tough there, but I totally see the vision. I think he's a good player on film. I really like some of his background. I like the experience at corner two personally. But for me, I probably still would have had like a fourth or fifth round grade if I did evaluate him. I just didn't really watch corners this year because I had no clue what archetype they were going to go for with Luan Arumo coming to town

Starting point is 00:19:31 because I figured it would flip on its head a little bit. And it certainly did. They went with a smaller corner, shorter arms that has great foot speed. The only thing I knew about Luan Arumo is he wanted fast corners. So it doesn't shock me. They took a corner this high that has good speed because Jones, Womack, and Brents aren't really that fast, you know? So I'm curious to see what happens with the rest of the room now. I think personally there's a better chance

Starting point is 00:19:58 of Wally starting this next season than there is of Womack or Brents starting. And that's more so because of the new system and who had a say in bringing in Wally rather than who had a say, rather than like talent and such. So we'll see if they end up moving someone like Brentz tomorrow, I think it would make sense to move him just because he doesn't really fit this system and also he's not a special teams player

Starting point is 00:20:22 and he hasn't stayed healthy. But we'll see, I'm more optimistic on Wally than most. I still think it's a bit of a reach, but I came around a little bit on the pick after watching some of his film. Yeah, I mean, I'm optimistic about it. And I mean, again, this is a third round pick. So I mean, there's you have a plan for those guys. And a lot of the time, your third round pick is in contention to start.

Starting point is 00:20:48 So it does seem far-fetched considering, you know, Jalen Jones has been a two-year starter. Juju Brentz was an early round pick and the only reason he has been starting is because he's been hurt. But this is a new defensive coordinator and this is an era of Colts football where they're willing to hurt a few feelings to get the best players out there. So I'm not going to discount it, but this being a third round pick, I do think there's a chance the guy could could play a little bit this year. I will say injuries nonwithstanding here because obviously that changed a lot. I think he plays more defensive snaps next season than Womack or Brent's. I think he plays more defensive snaps next season than Womack or Brent's I and honestly If I want to be crazy enough, I might say Jones But I think Jones will have a good chance to win that outside the corner spot

Starting point is 00:21:32 But more than I think he plays more defense snaps and will Mack and Brent's next season He does he does feel like a Womack replacement cuz like they their body types are similar Their roles are similar in their ability to play inside and out like it does seem like a direct one-form replacement for him But it could go even higher than that. Yeah, he's a fun player If you guys can turn on some of the film definitely watch like rewatch the USC game versus, Minnesota Really fun game the Maryland game in the first like 10 minutes of that game He had two pass breakups in a pick six early in that game. And I was watching that one. So very fun film. I definitely recommend watching that.

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Starting point is 00:23:24 So hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, that was recorded earlier in the week and Pacers were up to zero. Thank you. Oh, man. You just messed it all up right there. But guys, we're talking about day three, the day three, day three is coming up for the Colts, my favorite day of the draft where we get to pick out all our favorite random guys who never really have a chance at making it in the NFL, but we all love it. I will say though, when it comes to round four tomorrow, I do think that that's going to be a pretty big selection for the Colts. We saw last year how big that selection was for the team. They got their center of the future in Tanner Bordellini. We're looking at this team right now. They have a massive need at right guard still. I do think there are two player two or three players on the board

Starting point is 00:24:09 that the Colts have starting caliber grades on at right guard. I think I have him right here. Marcus Bowe, Miles Frazier and Logan Brown, I think are three guys of the Colts would be comfortable starting next season at right guard. So I think a guy like Frazier, for instance, we could maybe see them move up in round four to get him and then you feel good about guard. So I do think round four is a

Starting point is 00:24:31 pretty big pick for them. After that it becomes, you know the day three madness of early undrafted free agency. But round four Jake, I think that's going to be a big one because offensive line needs to be addressed and then there's a lot of

Starting point is 00:24:44 town on the board from like Damien Martinez, Malmond and junior Jack Kaiser, Ty Robinson, Joshua Farmer. Like there's a lot of good names on the board still. Yeah. Right guard is by far the biggest need remaining. Like we had that as a toss up with tight end is the biggest one on the entire roster coming into the draft. They obviously filled tight end in a big way. So I was kind of hoping to see offensive line in the third round. But I mean, there are still got some guys

Starting point is 00:25:08 there. Right now it's bring me Bo or bring me deaf. No, I want I really a guy who moves like that. And is like that athletic. I want to see what he can do from the guard spot. So Bo and Frazier for sure bring me those those guys. Uh, they're going to be, they've been really looking hard at swing tackle options as well. Uh, Gerard Christian Lichtenhand from Oregon state. Uh, that's a big sleeper for a lot of people. I think they would really like him. Uh, Caleb Etienne from BYU is another Bryce Cable do from, uh, Kansas. And then a couple kind of versatile interior

Starting point is 00:25:47 inside outside guys, Bless Harris from TCU and then Josh Carlin from UCLA. So there, I do still think there's a chance we see two offensive linemen in this one. And those are guys I know that they have kicked the tires before the draft. So those guys make some sense. Just keep going with the trenches.

Starting point is 00:26:09 We still need more defensive tackle as well. Yeah, I definitely feel like we're gonna see two offensive linemen taken tomorrow. Certainly a guard in the fourth or fifth round. And then we're certainly gonna get that developmental offensive tackle in like round six or seven. Like that one is almost certainly happening.

Starting point is 00:26:25 That's Caleb Etienne right there. Yeah, Caleb Etienne or whoever it's going to be there. Hinton from from Michigan. I think they really like him as well. Chris Hinton's kid. So I certainly think that could be an option. We have a comment here about the defensive tackle depth that's still available. Dion Walker, CJ West and ESP. I think that could be a good spot to go.

Starting point is 00:26:45 So there's a lot of talent. Jacob, I'm going to ask you a couple of questions here about day three and obviously get my answers as well. So we'll say for you personally, I know you just said Marcus Bose, maybe that was your answer, but who's one guy that's still available on day three that you just want this cold steam to take? So I'll only say guys that I know they liked that I can see like a clear plan. So Bo is definitely one of them. Jack Kaiser, I think fits a big role as someone who can be a direct

Starting point is 00:27:16 backup linebacker, but also be a core special teamer. That's how he got onto the field initially at Notre Dame and really started earning playing time and trust. And I think he really is willing to embrace that role. They need to replace Grant Stewart. I mean, he's bigger than Trevor Denbo, but they need to replace Trevor Denbo as well. So Jack Kaiser, I think there's interest. I think there's a clear plan, Bo, as well. And then I do think they're gonna wanna get a running back. Harvey going off the board early

Starting point is 00:27:51 kind of chapped my behind a little bit. But Damien Martinez is someone we've been looking at quite a bit. Ollie Gordon interests me as well, another guy that's really good in past bro. Jeffrey Bassa, I mean oh yeah I mean it's a family show uh but Jeffrey Bossa I mean the dream is still alive it's still alive yep I mean he fits he fits indeed and he is another safety term linebacker who I think is almost better than Carlis was like I think boss I like don't get me wrong. I do like Jalen Carlis, and if he's the starting will this year, that's fine with me

Starting point is 00:28:33 But I like bossa even more and I mean linebacker they can upgrade that they can upgrade that so why not try I? Had no clue you're a big Jeffrey bossa fan, but more you learn, I guess. Yeah. Breaking news here. I mean, this is my weekend. This is, this is man. I'm ready to be hurt. Right.

Starting point is 00:28:55 Perfect. Perfect. Now flip it back on you. Who were you found on the table for? Yeah. Just to mention a couple other guys, Devin Neal at running back as one of my favorite players in the draft. I would, I would love to get him here.

Starting point is 00:29:05 Joshua Farmer, I think would be a really interesting one as well. Small, small Monday and junior. We've talked about him all off season. He's got some injury concerns, so we'll see if the Colts go that way. I'll also throw out Dan Jackson from Georgia because he just kind of fits the vibe of what they're going for this off season of guys who stayed with one college program and walked on and had to grind their way up to get to where they were. Two more quick questions here, Jake, that we got to throw in before we get out of here.

Starting point is 00:29:33 One we know they're taking a quarterback tomorrow. We know for a fact they're taking a quarterback at some point. Which quarterback is it? Is it Shadr Sanders? Jake, come on. Come on. We got to bring the circus. No, it's not. So obviously, that's been a huge topic of conversation, I'm sure in media

Starting point is 00:29:49 rooms across the league right now. Something we've been talking about is so Chedurp Sanders as a player is not a day three player. Like, is he a first rounder? Maybe not, but he's not a day three quarterback. Like he could come a first rounder? Maybe not, but he's not a day three quarterback. Like, he could come in to the Colts and perhaps be their steadiest quarterback right now. But if you don't like the personality, then he's probably off your board altogether. Personality is not a round grade thing. If you don't like a guy, like it not as a player like if you have problems with who he is kind of as a person or his personality you're

Starting point is 00:30:30 probably not gonna take him at all and I think that's why he's falling so much yeah don't put a grade on personality that's it's a total turnoff or not you know what I mean yeah but oh I guess I guess I could probably answer your question though. Like, get to my question, man. Well, I wanted to talk about shooter for a minute. But no. So I think the obvious actually, there's a bunch of guys that can go for Quinn Quinn yours is who they've really done the most work on. I see that I don't love it. But I see it. Again, I wouldn't, I would not be for

Starting point is 00:31:07 that. Riley Leonard probably has a little more utility. And I think they probably like him a little bit as well. And there's an extra layer to it we haven't really discussed and that is Shane Steichen and Riley Leonard both have Philip Rivers in common. They both have good relationships with him. Riley Leonard has been training with Philip Rivers. And Shane Steichen and Philip Rivers are obviously very good friends. So I think Shane probably has a leg up in getting information about Riley Leonard

Starting point is 00:31:38 that not every team necessarily has. Yeah. So those are two guys that feel like the most likely to me. You obviously can bring in like Max Brosmer and we've talked about cam Miller, like I like him too. So, um, Deandre Smith is a guy I could see brought in for like rookie camp or a UDFA or, uh, not Deandre Smith is the coach. His son. I was like, who is, I was like, who is Deandre Smith? No, no, no. Donovan

Starting point is 00:32:05 Smith is the quarterback from Houston. His dad is Colts running backs coach Deandre Smith. Okay, okay. It's it's late. It's late and if I don't go to bed soon, I'm probably going to see the hat man. So oh gosh. Yeah, he's a horrible. He's a horrible man to see. But yes, yes, I think it'll be Riley Leonard to get around to answer my own question there. I think it's going to be lettered in round five or six there. And then real quick, yes, I think it'll be Riley Leonard to get around to answer my own question there. I think it's going to be lettered in round five or six there. And then real quick, Jake, real quick on this one. Okay, real quick. Guarantee one player, one player on day three.

Starting point is 00:32:32 Guarantee the Colts taking them. Go. Quick, quick, Jake. Okay. Kaiser, Kaiser is my guarantee. Yeah. It's too late. Too late for us to be up. Your turn. Fast.

Starting point is 00:32:48 All right. I'll go. I'll go Caleb ETN. That's who I'm going to go with in like in in round six or seven because they're going to get that athletic odds tackle. He fits everything. They look like he is Luke Tanuta. He is Jack Wilson.

Starting point is 00:33:03 He's an absolute mountain of a tackle. Like I see the fit there. Absolutely, absolutely. Well, we want to thank you guys for making us your first listen of the early, early morning. We have 250 of you guys in here and we love every single one of you. So thank you guys for making Lockdown Culture first listen today and every day. Now for your second listen, check out Locked on NFL Draft with Damian Parsons and Keith Sanchez. Find Locked on NFL Draft on YouTube where we list your podcasts. If you guys don't already, make

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