Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - Indianapolis Colts: Healthy Jonathan Taylor Set to Dominate Again in 2024?

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Starting point is 00:00:46 What up, what up, y'all? This is Jake Arthur and Zach Hicks of HorseshoeHuddle.com. And today we are continuing our positional reviews, previews, I guess you could say. We did quarterback yesterday. We are now on to running backs today. Talking about the obvious star of the group, Jonathan Taylor, who might be fending for RB2 scraps between Trey Sermon, Tyler Goodson, and Evan Hall. And then we go to the bottom of the roster and a couple of actually pretty interesting

Starting point is 00:01:15 guys in Xavier Scott and Trent Penix and how they maybe fit into the fold as well. So Zach, let's obviously go ahead and start with Taylor. So I did this very high-tech mathematical scientific table of his career stats here. Audio, sorry, but maybe check YouTube for a second or just pull up pro football reference on your side. it just goes to show here, he obviously had that major hiccup two years ago when he got injured. But if you look at last year, he is on the rise again. And it's very obvious when you look at that week 18 game against the Texans, when he exploded again for like 175 yards or whatever it was. But you can see the touchdowns per game and the yards per touch are both back up. I mean, besides the eyeball test, which is very clear that he's starting to look like himself again. It's just, it's good to see that we had the four snaps and like one exchange, whatever it was between Taylor and Anthony Richardson last year. And that was one of the most exciting parts of the

Starting point is 00:02:27 Colts even drafting Richardson last year. But, you know, Taylor had the contract situation and the ankle all throughout last offseason. Richardson was fine, you know, getting acclimated as a rookie, did some nice things. But by the time he was taking off, Taylor got back and then it just never met up. Richardson got hurt pretty much right away. So both of them are healthy right now. Richardson back from his shoulder. They're fine tuning some things, but he's for all intents and purposes, he's back. So him and Taylor getting that chemistry together on, you know, option plays, just general handoffs, even, you know, dump offs in the backfield. How does Taylor want it? What, you know,

Starting point is 00:03:11 what velocity, what, you know, what height range. So all those really fine details are already getting hammered out now. And those two aren't going to have to be playing catch up and learning each other on the run this year. Yeah. And one thing I do want to make note of with Jonathan Taylor, and I'll go back to your graphic here and I'll actually talk about the graphic a little bit for for audio people. You know, with this, you see, obviously, that two year stretch to start his career, the 2020 and 2021 fantastic stretch, thirty five hundred total yards in two seasons. Just one of the best players in all of football. I mean, a truly great running back.

Starting point is 00:03:46 It was a great offensive threat. But I do love, you know, with these last two years, only 21 games played. I don't love that, obviously, but we're talking about him having this down stretch of games and this down stretch of play where he's got 1,800 total yards over the last two years. So basically in 21 games played, which is a little bit over one season, he's got 1,800 total yards. And that's him struggling. That's him not being at his peak because those first two years were so fantastic.

Starting point is 00:04:12 So getting Jonathan Taylor back to start this season and hopefully healthy, hopefully ready to go to start this year, I mean, it's going to be a massive, massive boost to this team. There's a big reason why the Colts were able to hammer out that deal, and they didn't ultimately trade him last year, is because of the potential that he adds to this offense. And there were a lot of times when he came back last year, it still didn't look perfectly right. Now, he was getting acclimated to an offense that he was only really seeing

Starting point is 00:04:40 in the offseason. He wasn't really participating in because of his injury. He was working with a quarterback he wasn't really participating in because of his injury he was working with a quarterback he wasn't used to working with he was working with a run scheme that he wasn't super familiar with you know a lot more out of the gun and a lot more down getting downhill from the gun rather than being under center so it was a big adjustment for him but I can't imagine a better scenario for all of us watching Jonathan Taylor than seeing that week 18 game last year. That week 18 game just eased so much inside me about Jonathan Taylor because when you look at running

Starting point is 00:05:12 backs, you know, when that first injury happens, it feels like they just keep happening. You know, injury, injury, injury, injury, and these guys just never get back to that dominant self they once were. And we see it with running backs, man. When they hit that cliff, they tumble over it and they just keep falling downhill. And for Taylor, you know, if this was what he was going to be before that Week 18 game last year, if that was what he was going to be the rest of his career, that's still fine.

Starting point is 00:05:36 But it's not what he was. And that would have been just a very tragic thing to see, especially for Colts fans who are so used to seeing injuries derail really great players. But seeing that Week 18 game where the Colts were essentially in a playoff game, again, with their backup quarterback who was struggling to throw the ball that entire game, they were essentially in a playoff game. And Taylor was looking like the best offensive player on the planet that game.

Starting point is 00:05:58 Like he was unstoppable in that game. He looked fast. He looked strong. He was making guys miss. Even on obvious rundowns. He was making guys miss. Even on obvious rundowns, he was making dudes miss and creating yardage. His touchdown run was vintage Jonathan Taylor. So it's just great to see, you know, it was great to see him back being the running back that we once knew. So we're riding sky-high expectations, sky-high optimism into this offseason when it comes to Taylor and, and just excited to see what he can do in this offense. Muted again, vintage me.

Starting point is 00:06:31 One of the big things I'm looking at here with him is there is no Zach Moss this year. So you're looking at him being probably a dominant workhorse again, you know, just dominating those backfield touches like we've seen before. Cause even when he came back last year, there was a lot of mixing it up with Zach Moss. Eventually, it started to lean very heavily towards Taylor. But now you don't have anyone else on the roster that's even close to that. So his health is going to be paramount. I think we're both a little

Starting point is 00:07:01 surprised there hasn't been anyone else added. I think the Colts tried to. In the offseason, there was rumor they had been talking about A.J. Dillon. They wanted Zach Moss back. After the draft, Chris Ballard was asked if running back was a consideration, and it just never really materialized for them. Not that they wouldn't have done it but um i i do imagine it's at some point they don't want taylor to touch it 350 375 times you know i think they want someone to be able to take some of that pressure off of him and ideally it not be anthony richardson for the most part yeah i i'm with you i do think that ideally they want him want him closer to like 300 touches rather than being in the 400s or 500s like he was early in his career. But I do think it's going to be, this is the Jonathan Taylor show for the first time in two, three years, whatever it's been since 2021. This is going to be his show.

Starting point is 00:08:13 You know, they extended him. They're paying him big money to be out there and they don't really have backup plans behind him. I think it's going to be a lot of Jonathan Taylor out there this season. And we're going to have to see him, you know, really carry the tote this year and do what he can for this offense to be effective. But I did want to touch on the Anthony Richardson thing real quick. The impact of having him with Anthony Richardson is massive. Just what you can do to dictate what you want to, like what you want to do on offense, you can just dictate so much on opposing defenses. You can have just so many different forces pulling defenses apart and

Starting point is 00:08:46 condensing them. We saw in the first Titans game when Zach Moss was out there, this wasn't even Jonathan Taylor, but when Zach Moss had the 56-yard touchdown run, we saw the impact of having Anthony Richardson on that play did for that touchdown because Anthony Richardson did a read option. It might have been a triple option, but I think it was a read option play where he's holding that safety just because of the threat of his legs, which caused that crease for Zach Moss to hit the open seam of the middle for that long touchdown run. So when you project the whole season of Jonathan Taylor with that, where Taylor is much more explosive, much faster,

Starting point is 00:09:19 much better at making guys miss than Zach Moss, it's easy to see the excitement and see the potential in this offense. So if Jonathan Taylor is healthy, if Anthony Richardson is healthy, and they can really just have these guys going at full speed all year, I mean, watch out opposing defense. Just watch it. It doesn't even, like, Richardson doesn't even need to run for 1,000 yards. Just the threat of him running will open up so much for Jonathan Taylor.

Starting point is 00:09:42 And we talked about this last year, but now it's more a reality going into this year because there's nothing holding these two guys back. So seeing these guys on the field together in that running game, in the passing game too, it's going to be a fantastic thing to see for this offense. Yeah, I totally agree. Because you think of that and it seems like some big, huge thing,

Starting point is 00:10:01 but it's literally as simple as freezing a linebacker or a safety for just like a quarter of a second. But that quarter of a second costs them the offensive player getting a step or two on it. So like or just leverage or an angle like it is so critical. And as long as Richardson is going to remain a dynamic, explosive running threat, which he hurt his shoulder. It didn't hurt his legs. I don't see why this, we don't pick up where we left off this time last year saying that it's going to be a top five running team.

Starting point is 00:10:34 Like I, I think they have huge ability. And like you said, ideally would they like to have Taylor reigned in a little bit or like not have to have a huge load probably. But if they're winning in the second half we've seen that they will run the clock out like Taylor probably will have a very very very large role in this offense because they also don't want to make it the

Starting point is 00:10:56 Anthony Richardson show either they want him to play off of the run game so I'm with you I think it's going to be a super productive group. Fingers crossed as long as everybody stays healthy. So coming up next, you know, we mentioned there's not a lot of depth behind Taylor and he's probably going to be the workhorse, but who physically is up next in line behind him. Buying tickets to events can be frustrating, especially if you aren't sure if the seats are any good, if you can't find last minute tickets, or there's just no good deals in general. However, with killer last minute deals, all in prices, views from your seat, and the lowest price guarantee, game time takes the guesswork out of buying tickets.

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Starting point is 00:13:18 there's three guys kind of fighting for the main RB2 spot. They're probably not going to keep many running backs. So one of these guys may be the odd man out and not even make the roster. But you're looking at Trey Sermon, Tyler Goodson, and Evan Hull. So Hull was really, really popular this time last year. I had just got done watching him at rookie minicamp, and it was him and Josh Downs dominating and looking great. And, you know, you get into training camp and Hull looks fine. You

Starting point is 00:13:45 know, he's, he looks the part. He's not blowing people away. But then week one comes, he tears his meniscus and is out for the year. Kind of a similar story to Anthony Richardson. You never really saw what he could be. So Hull was thought to be someone who could compete for, you know, snaps behind Zach Moss last year, but it just didn't come to fruition. You get Trey Sermon in there, you get Tyler Goodson in there. And then with continued issues with Jonathan Taylor, you know, he had, I think it was a hand or wrist late in the year. He had an upper body thing, whatever it was, had to miss some time. And particularly the Pittsburgh game, Trey Sermon and Tyler Goodson had a huge performance, 17 carries for 88 yards,

Starting point is 00:14:31 which was a 5.2 yard per carry average for Sermon in that game on only 43% of the snaps. Goodson had 13 touches for 79 yards, which is 6.1 average on only 28% snaps. And that game was the bulk of both of their production, but still for the season, Sermon averaged 4.6 a carry and Goodson 6.7 per carry. So in a very limited portion size behind two ball dominant guys in Taylor and Moss, those guys kind of answered the call and they're going to have a really good offensive line to be behind. And as you mentioned, Anthony Richardson changes everything for any running back, really. Yeah. And I think the guy to watch here in this group is obviously Trey Sermon. Trey Sermon was that next guy up whenever something happened with Zach

Starting point is 00:15:21 Moss or Zach Moss was getting a breather or when Moss was out when when Taylor needed a breather it was Sermon that was getting getting those next guy up type of carries he was third on the team in carries last year if you don't count you know quarterbacks getting in there but Trey Sermon was that third running back last year and it makes sense to project him as that RB2 going to this next season Sermon also has experience with Shane Steichen they overlapped in Philadelphia for a little bit. I believe it was two years there in Philly that they overlapped, but it might have only been the one year. So Sermon does have that experience with Steichen

Starting point is 00:15:52 and the system more so than the other guys. He was a third back last year, and he kind of fits that RB2 mold that the Colts look for. They like those bigger running backs. They like those guys who can get downhill and fall forward for positive gains and keep an offense on track. So I think Trey Sermon's got all the opportunity in the world. And honestly, if I were this kid's agent, I would be telling him, look, you're never going to get a better opportunity than this. Like this is going to be the best opportunity you're ever going to

Starting point is 00:16:18 get in your NFL career. So it's on him to come out here in training camp and really solidify himself as that RB2. For Goodson and Hull, I think that these guys are both competing for that third down running back spot or the pass catcher spot. The Colts have always had someone fill that role in the offense. Last year, when Jonathan Taylor came back from his injury, they kind of used Jonathan Taylor in that role. Moss was really interesting, actually, that they kind of used him in that role because he was a really good pass blocker. So he added that upside there, even if he wasn't a great pass catcher. But I think with Goodson and Hull, you got two guys who are good pass catchers. And again, I already know the comments are going to be coming and saying that Goodson's drop last year shows that he's not a good pass catcher. But he is billed as a pass catching running back. That's

Starting point is 00:17:03 what they had him on the team for last year. And Evan Holt, that was his special team specialty in college. That was what he was. He was a good runner, but it was, it was the catching that really sold him to the Colts and other teams. So those guys are going to compete for that pass catching role. You could get a lot of work on, on mesh concepts on, you know, little, little routes over the middle some screen plays I think I think Steichen did some really uh innovative stuff with the running backs in in the passing

Starting point is 00:17:30 game I wish he would have done a little bit more but overall I think he showed the ability to to scheme those guys open so I think this is a good competition open competition it's not the greatest group obviously to back up Jonathan Taylor and if something does happen to Taylor then you know you're not looking at the best group of guys behind him. But I do think these are capable guys of filling roles behind him and doing some good things. So as long as Taylor is able to stay healthy and be that bell cow this year,

Starting point is 00:17:57 this is a fine group to work with behind him. It's not a group that can carry the load if he goes down though. I think that's the biggest thing here and why we might see the Colts look outside at free agency and other avenues to you know add more weapons to this room but for now on paper this is a fine backup running back group behind your starting bell cow running back that yeah that's exactly how I see it assuming Taylor's health they do everything a group of running backs should be able to do. However, it loses a lot of shine if Taylor goes down. That Sermon-Goodson combo

Starting point is 00:18:31 was fine for the Pittsburgh game, but you cannot expect anything really remotely close to that every week if Taylor were to go down. As far as roles go, I think you're right. Sermon being between the tackles, just normal early down runner makes a lot of sense behind Taylor, with Goodson and Hull competing for that. Not change of pace, but the receiving down area. Hull maybe has a little bit of a leg up as a runner. Had a 1,000-yard season, had another 900-plus-yard season as a runner.

Starting point is 00:19:07 Never worse than 4.1 yards per carry in college. And then, of course, 55 receptions as a senior. So he's probably a little more well-balanced. I was getting bullish on him as a pass protector, too, before he got hurt. Yes. So we'll see how that goes. Because that, honestly, will probably be the biggest deciding factor, other than special teams, is how do you do in pass protection? So that'll be a decent little battle to watch during the preseason.

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Starting point is 00:20:51 and seeing them in the preseason. So first up, we got Xavier Scott, who was an undrafted free agent last year, came into camp. I think he was bull banged up at times, so he didn't do a ton in camp. And the Colts really didn't give that many reps to their lower end players last year because they were trying to get their starters into the new system. So we didn't really a ton in camp. And the Colts really didn't give that many reps to their lower end players last year because they were trying to get their starters into the new system. So we didn't really see much of Scott.

Starting point is 00:21:09 But Scott in college, I believe, was University of Maine. I want to say Maine or yeah, Maine, Maine, not Rhode Island. He transferred at some point, but I think Maine was his last stop. Yeah. So University of Maine, Scott was a wide receiver and running back transition between the two things. And I'm really happy when the Colts moved him to running back because he looked a lot smoother and quicker there at running back than he did at wide receiver. But he has that wide receiver background,

Starting point is 00:21:33 can play a little bit wide receiver, can do some return stuff as well and some stuff on special teams. Just a really cool jack of all trades type player. And then Trent Penix from NC State, a player who came into college as a running back I believe he was like a 210-215 pound running back coming into college they moved him to tight end late in his career and he kind of served as more of that hybrid sniffer type tight end running back player like did a lot of things out of the backfield but also in line as well big time special teams player for them at NC State. So he comes into this NFL, comes into the NFL out of the NFL draft

Starting point is 00:22:10 as a six foot, 234 pound fullback slash running back, whatever the heck the Colts have planned for him with really, really good athleticism. Had some big plays last year in NC State too. So two players at the bottom of the roster who have experience doing a hundred different things at the college level that the Colts are saying, you know what, we're betting on just the athletic traits and these guys just getting better at one position and seeing what

Starting point is 00:22:35 these guys can do. So again, I don't know if either of these guys make the roster this year, but having one guy who was a wide receiver and running back in college, another guy who has fullback flexibility slash, you know, tight end flexibility slash running back flexibility. I think that's a really fun running back group at the very bottom of your roster to have. I really hope Pennix sticks around long enough to make it to the preseason because I so badly want to see him as the lead blocker for the kick returner. Him in front of Gould on these new kick returns. I want to see it. I don't want us to be robbed of it. But I am interested to see how they use him.

Starting point is 00:23:11 Like, is it Mo Alley Cox-ish of the third team? Like, how do they do it? Because traditionally, I mean, the Colts included, but the NFL just doesn't use traditional fullbacks much anymore. They use a tight end for it. So I'm pretty interested. Very little college production statistically, so I don't think it's going to turn some leaf to where he's going to be carrying the ball a bunch

Starting point is 00:23:35 or catching a bunch of passes. I think he's going to be kind of a hard-nosed utility type of player. Very interested in both. Scott is a guy who we both kind of had an eye on. I think you spoke with him as well last year. He is, he is definitely interesting. Did a lot of stuff collegiately wore a lot of different hats.

Starting point is 00:23:56 I wasn't blown away by him as a running back last year, but he was, he was always the last guy. He didn't get a ton of touches. Like you mentioned, even in practice. I do. was always the last guy he didn't get a ton of touches like you mentioned even in practice um i do i definitely want to see him more involved as a pass catcher even just in practice though because like that's obviously his background he's kind of he's kind of a bigger evan hull type when it comes to offensively what you can do with him so it is definitely a couple interesting guys

Starting point is 00:24:22 now if you're talking either of them being able to crack the roster, I would say Penix probably has the edge. I don't think either of them make it. You know, both of them are more likely to be practice squad guys. But I think Penix, if you had to pick between the two, probably has a little more of the edge because he's a little more unique. His skill set is more easily utilized for the Colts on game days. Yeah. Xavier Scott has to go through Tyler Goodson and Evan Hull

Starting point is 00:24:55 to make the roster. So that's very tough to go through those two guys, especially Hull, who was in the same draft class as him, and the Colts took him higher and obviously invested a little bit more in him. Where Penix, depending on what they have envisioned for him, because again, I have no clue if they have him envisioned to be a fullback or like a legit running back or what, or be like some kind of hybrid player. Because if they have him to be like a legit running back, then it's just Trey Sermon in front of him because he fits the Trey Sermon mold, like the size and the speed and the physicality.

Starting point is 00:25:27 If they have him envisioned to be a fullback, great. There's nobody in front of him. He's the only fullback on the roster. Maybe a Kylan Granson is technically in front of you there, but you got to see what you have right there. And then if you have him at a tight end, hybrid type player, again, he's kind of the only player on the roster besides maybe Granson who does those things. So Penix, I think has the better route

Starting point is 00:25:48 to making the roster, especially like what you said, with the new kickoff rules, you have no clue how that's going to factor into the bottom of the roster. You know, when it comes down to the final five or six guys that you're keeping on your roster, are you prioritizing linebackers or fullback type players over the the you know the four two speed cornerbacks that are 180 pounds who really can't win in that mosh pit that is now the new kickoff rules you know do you do you value guys like Penix a little bit higher who can you can play in between the tackles you know so to speak on those type of plays so I think Penix has a better shot here I'm really interested I'm just so interested in what they do with him because I've kind of compared Shane Steigen's offense in the NFL to like a Big 12 offense. It's very Big 12 and how it operates. It's very Chip Kelly and Lincoln Riley in a lot of just manipulating space with good, like interesting athletes, and just having those

Starting point is 00:26:46 athletes at every position that that pulls players away from your intended place that you want to go having a guy like Penix, though, he's so collegey, like he's such a collegey archetype of player, he is a college playing like sniffer back or H back type player. Or if you want to go into like real triple option type stuff, like an Air Force fullback type player. Like he kind of is those type of players to me. So I'm really curious to see if they like, if, you know, they signed him quickly. Like if they have an idea of, you know,

Starting point is 00:27:15 these certain packages, we want to have a player like Penix on the field. And again, that might be Kylan Granson this next year when it comes down to real NFL games. But I'm curious if they have an idea for Pennix, because that's such a unique looking player on film and such a unique looking player just on paper that I'm really curious to see what they have planned for him.

Starting point is 00:27:35 And as everyone is wondering, 9.5 Raz for him. Yeah. Now that's from the fullback position. Like for the running back position, it probably goes down a peg. But when you're being moved around and you're being asked to block and everything, like the dude is a really good athlete for the position. So yeah, I'm, I'm interested to see this group. I'm expecting a lot, a lot, a lot of Jonathan Taylor.

Starting point is 00:27:57 And then if he ever, you know, gets banged up, that's when we'll see the rest. But I mean, it might, it might even be like in 2021 with how much he dominated the backfield. We'll see. Yeah, yeah, we'll see for sure. You guys let us know in the comment section, though, of this video if the Colts should sign another running back

Starting point is 00:28:15 or if you guys are cool with running it out there with Trey Sermon, Evan Hull, Tyler Goodson, Xavier Scott, and Trent Pennix. Trent Pennix obviously being our favorite here on the show, as you guys can tell. And if you guys don't already make sure you're following at locked on Colts at Jake Arthur NFL and at Zach Hicks to all on Twitter. Also subscribe to us on YouTube or every list of your podcasts.

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