Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - Indianapolis Colts: Jelani Woods, Evan Hull Among Winners of Training Camp's Biggest Battles?

Episode Date: July 23, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Camp starts tomorrow and we are going to tell you who is going to win the hottest position battles. Let's get to it. You are Locked On Colts, your daily Indianapolis Colts podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. All right. Thanks for tuning in and making us your first listen of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. All right. Thanks for tuning in and making us your first listen of the day. This is your daily podcast covering your Indianapolis Colts, part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day.
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Starting point is 00:01:01 What's up, friends? This is Jake Arthur and Zach Hicks of HorseshoeHuddle.com. I'm your resident media member for the site, and Zach is your resident film genius for the site. And today, we are on training camp eve, Christmas eve for football season. Camp officially gets underway for the Colts on Thursday, but they do report tomorrow on Wednesday. Players get out there. We'll talk to some players. We'll talk to Chris Ballard. So we'll have much more coming there. So right now, this is really our first day or our last day without football. So we're going to tell you what we think the hottest camp battles are, truly who the biggest competitors in that those battles are and who we think is going to win.
Starting point is 00:01:47 So first up is the one that has been one of the most polarizing throughout the entire offseason, but it does have a couple of quality options in it. That's Dallas Flowers and Jalen Jones at cornerback. We're also going to look at the depth of the running back position. No mystery that Jonathan Taylor is the top dog there, but we know that he's not going to play 100% of the snaps. It's situational football and Shane Steichen has always used multiple running backs. So we'll see what goes on behind that. And then we have got to figure this tight end room out. What roles are guys going to play? Who might make the final cut because of it? And who's even going to play the most? So we'll go through all those things. But first things first, this is a passing league still, Zach. The Colts third cornerback spot,
Starting point is 00:02:35 it appears to be a two-horse race between Dallas Flowers and Jalen Jones. Now Flowers opened up last season as the starter, but suffered that very unfortunate Achilles injury in week five, which ended his season. Jalen Jones comes in as a seventh round rookie and looks really, really good for the part. Now, does Jones keep hold of that or does Flowers get his spot back? So I'll leave it up to you. You know, who are you leaning more into on this one? Yeah. So I actually had an article on this for Horseshoe Huddle the other day, and I think this is just the most fascinating camp debate and camp battle that we're going to be watching this offseason because, to me,
Starting point is 00:03:13 it's truly a wide-open battle. It could really go either way. I know that you mentioned when we talked about minicamp a little over a month ago that it seemed like Jalen Jones had the slight edge in that, like he was getting more of the first-team reps.. But look, Dallas Flowers was the guy all last offseason. He was the guy those first couple of weeks. And and honestly, I would argue his game against the Los Angeles Rams was one of the best cornerback games we saw from a Colts corner all last season. It's unfortunate how that game ended because in overtime, he tore his Achilles and out for the year. And now we have to deal with, you know, talking about the potential of a 27 year old corner coming off a major injury with only having a couple hundred snaps under his under his belt.
Starting point is 00:03:54 You know, what does the outlook look like for him? But for me personally, I think I would lean Dallas Flowers in this battle purely because, you know, schematically, I think he matches up better alongside Juju Brents than a Jalen Jones does. I love Jalen Jones, and you're going to make the case for him here in a second. And I can definitely see him winning this battle as well. But for Flowers, I think as long as he's fully recovered from that Achilles injury, that's a big, big if because we've seen, you know, players take a step back, obviously, in the past. But as long as he's fully recovered from that Achilles injury, he has the long speed that you're looking for on the other side of juju brents brents can can win and press man coverage he can win and press coverage he can do some bail
Starting point is 00:04:34 stuff uh and you can drop him back into deeper zones but because of the long speed deficiencies and and his ability to turn and run with players like we saw what you know with nico collins and that that finale last year against the Texans, you really want to have a corner on the other side that you don't have to roll coverage over top of. You know, a corner that you can really trust on that backside to turn and run with players and, you know, pinch guys to the sideline and do all the things that you need when getting vertical.
Starting point is 00:05:00 And I think Flowers fits that better than Jalen Jones. I don't think we saw Jones get burned too often last year by any means. But, you know, Jalen Jones, I'm still wary of the combine speed and some of the stuff we saw in his film at Texas A&M. He plays a little bit more conservative on the underneath routes because he knows he has his speed deficiencies. So I think a guy like Flowers alongside of Juju Brents makes more sense than Jones and Brents where you have two corners who aren't really the fastest, like quickest type players. I'd rather have like the mix and match
Starting point is 00:05:30 of, you know, I'm not even saying Flowers is small, but like a smaller speedier corner and a Juju Brents who's this big, long, massive press up in your face type corner. I just think that makes more sense to me. But again, you're going to make a good case here for Jalen Jones. And I don't disagree at all. But to put some numbers to what I'm saying here, Dallas Flowers last year was the second highest coverage grade among all Colts corners, according to PFF with a 70.6, one of only two players with a green coverage grade. So that's a that's a good thing for him right there.
Starting point is 00:06:00 I think I think he had his best game of his career. And again, in that week four game against the Rams, he had two pass breakups and a tackle for a loss in that one, was really shining in that outing. And I believe he also had a 17% forced incompletion rate, which is tied with Juju Brents for the best on the team as well. So Dallas Flowers did some good things, only four starts last year, but I think he did some good things in those four starts and as long as he's back to being that Dallas Flowers this offseason that would be my slight winner in this really tight cornerback battle in training camp yeah I think athletically you probably have a little more upside there with Flowers and before I completely shatter my own argument I do want to you, you know, give Flowers his flowers, so to speak.
Starting point is 00:06:49 I do really like him. There's a couple games that stick out to me that were against better competition. Obviously, the Rams game when Puka Nakua was just murdering everybody else in the secondary. I thought Flowers had a really strong showing. You know, it wasn't just Nakua. You know, Matthew Stafford was absolutely dealing. And I know this was a preseason game, but the Eagles game I thought was big. That was kind of the dress rehearsal that the Colts had. That's when Anthony Richardson really played. That was the biggest dress rehearsal the Colts had in the preseason. I thought Flowers had a strong showing in that one. Again, showed the confidence, the aggressiveness to break up passes,
Starting point is 00:07:23 which I really like. But with that all said, there's nothing about this offseason coming from the Colts side of it that doesn't indicate Jalen Jones has the inside track. They've talked him up all offseason. Now, Chris Ballard, Shane Steich, and everyone, they've all gone out of their way to say, hey, don't forget about Dallas Flowers. But they also say how much they love Jalen Jones. And being a seventh round pick that played like an early round pick, truthfully, throughout the season, who should have had no expectations, but came out and kind of saved the day. You know, if you were getting Daryl Baker Jr. or Tony Brown level play from him all season, it would have been a train wreck, even more than it was. So Jones is five years older than Flowers and not coming off of an Achilles injury. Five years younger than Flowers. Younger,
Starting point is 00:08:11 younger. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Flowers is 27. Jones is 22. So he's five years younger and not coming off of a serious lower leg injury. Plus, you know, from what we've seen during the off season, they've been splitting first team reps on that outside cornerback spot, but it's really been Jones going out there first. Yeah. So I think the Colts thinking of it really is it's his job to lose now. You know, Flowers will get his opportunity to make his case, but, you know, Jones kind of has to lose the job. I think we all talk about Flowers a little more glowingly just because Jones doesn't really provide you with sexy play. He's pretty solid in coverage, but he doesn't get a bunch of picks. He doesn't get a bunch of pass breakups. He's just
Starting point is 00:08:59 kind of sticky in coverage, but he's lengthy and he makes life difficult for receivers. And that's kind of evidenced by only giving up 54.4% of completions when he's targeted, which was tops on the team. And through a very long stretch of the season, things kind of started to go a little more downhill when he hit the rookie wall, so to speak. But through the cushiest part of the Colts schedule, when they were facing some pretty crappy offenses, he was putting up numbers in terms of opposing completion percentage that were rivaling like rookies from a lot leading up to that. Like he was rivaling,
Starting point is 00:09:39 not just his own draft class, but one of the best rookies in terms of the last several years and giving up completions toward him. So I do think just looking at it from a Colts perspective, they're going to allow Jones to have it unless Flowers beats him to it. Again, at 22 years old, you know that's a guy who maybe you have on the roster for seven, eight more years at 27 years old. I don't know that you could say that with flowers. Now, if flowers comes out and looks much, much better, they're not going to say, hold on old geezer. You're too old for this. Like they'll, they'll give him the job if he earns it. But I just think they probably see a lot more positives in having Jones be that other corner. As a 27-year-old, I'm glad that you pulled back on calling 27-year-olds a geezers here.
Starting point is 00:10:28 I am 34. So young man, you get back to your room. One thing I will say real quick, because I know we got to move on. But like, if either of these guys can prove that they can tackle consistently, I'll give the battle to them. That's all I care about. We can't have 20 plus percent missed tackle percentage at either one of these corner spots like we had last year so as long as one of these guys can tackle I'm all for it just give me the guy who could tackle better and then we'll figure out the coverage
Starting point is 00:10:52 later honestly that might be the biggest x factor we're not talking about that is incredibly important right right yeah all right so coming up, we are going to shift focus to the offensive side of the ball, and it's not even a starting position, but it is going to be a role at backup running back that is going to see a good bit of action by season's end. When you're hiring for your small business, you want to find quality professionals who are actually right for the role that you're looking for. And that's why you got to check out LinkedIn jobs. They've got the tools to help find the right professionals for your team faster and for free. LinkedIn isn't just a job board either. They help professionals who they help you hire professionals, but you can't find anywhere else,
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Starting point is 00:12:53 Locked On Sports today brings you can't miss analysis, opinions, and news streaming 24-7 on YouTube or on the free Amazon Fire TV channels at part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. Now, Jake, we are moving to a very important camp battle for all the fantasy footballers out there all the people who are
Starting point is 00:13:09 looking to handcuff Jonathan Taylor in fantasy football who are you looking to on this Colts roster who's going to be the running back who has the second most snaps on offense I think that's a that's a clear distinction we're trying to make with this one because obviously if something were to happen to Taylor it's going to be Trey Sermon, likely Trey Sermon. And if you're looking for a whole healthy season of Jonathan Taylor, it's going to be Evan Holt. But just in the totality of this offseason argument, which player do we think has more offensive snaps this year? And for me, I'm going with Trey Sermon. And part of that has to do with Jonathan Taylor's health, but also another part of it has to do with the fact that, you know, the Colts aren't going to give Taylor 100% of the
Starting point is 00:13:50 workload, even if Taylor is completely healthy. So I think Sermon's going to get a handful of carries next year, even like even if Taylor plays in all 17 games, I think Sermon's still going to hit around like 40 to 50 carries, you know, which isn't like a crazy high number, but it's probably going to be more than what Evan Hull would hit if everyone stays healthy in that backfield. Because I think he just fits what the Colts are looking for in their starter or backup running back. They like that road grader. They like the guy who can get downhill and run through contact. I mean, if you look at the players that the Colts had last year, obviously they had Zach Moss last year, who is that similar type of mold, get downhill, be physical, break tackles and fall forward.
Starting point is 00:14:29 And then you look at the player that they were, they offered a contract to, I mean, there were multiple reports about it. They offered a contract to AJ Dillon before Dillon went back to the Green Bay Packers. What does AJ Dillon do? All he can do is fall forward, you know, run forward and fall forward. So the Colts clearly have a type when looking to the backup of their bell cow running back. And that is a player like Trey Sermon. And I think Sermon is going to get a handful of carries next year, especially if there are some games where they really want to limit the workload of Jonathan Taylor. And the other reason why I went with Sermon here, and I'm sure you can debate me on this one here, Jake, or refute me a little
Starting point is 00:15:02 bit. I think a lot of times when the Colts had their starting running back when they went to their third down offense maybe it was because they didn't have a guy like Hole and that certainly could change but it's not like they certain like they went to a specific third down back you know it wasn't like the Naeem Hines role a couple years ago where every time a third down passing situation came they went to Naeem Hines last year it was like whoever the starter was was just going to stay out there on third down to keep their options open. So if Jonathan Taylor plays all 17 games, is there a third down back roll for Evan Hull? Or is it just going to be Jonathan Taylor on a lot of those plays?
Starting point is 00:15:36 I think that's where the distinction comes on who's going to win this battle for most snaps between Trey Sermon and Evan Hull. So for me, I'm going to go with Sermon just because I think Taylor's going to take a lot of those third down snaps from Hull. And I think he's going to get a handful of carries and rotational snaps where I don't know how many snaps Hull's going to get. But Hull, if they do want to make him the Kenneth Gainwell of this offense, like he certainly has a role that way. It's just I don't know if that role is going to materialize this season with a healthy Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, and I'm kind of with, you know, I've always argued for Jonathan Taylor to be more involved in the passing game and everything. I don't think you necessarily have to take him off, but let's just assume everybody's health.
Starting point is 00:16:23 And for me, I think that means Jonathan Taylor is going to just dominate the majority, especially the majority of the early down stuff, which is going to kind of, you know, put Trey Sermon on the back burner. And I'm with you. Like if I've tried to make this distinction before when talking about this, because back in, in mini camp, I talked about Trey Sermon getting the snaps when Jonathan Taylor wasn't there. And it was kind of like the Michael Scott gif from all the Trey Sermon truthers out there. They were like, Oh my God, it's happening. It's happening. And we're like, hold on, pump your brakes. It's only if something happens to Taylor.
Starting point is 00:16:51 So if something happens to Taylor, yes, Sermon is going to be the guy that goes out there and gets the snaps. But let's, fingers crossed, assume Taylor's health. You know, we have seen that, you know, they can bring in a third down guy before. That wasn't a strong argument last year, but the whole running back room is kind of a hodgepodge because, you know, Taylor was in and out. And, you know, they're trying to figure things out with Trey Sermon and Tyler Goodson. And, oh, yeah, by the way, we're also assuming Evan Evan Hall wins this battle between him and Tyler Goodson.
Starting point is 00:17:22 But that's what I had in my roster prediction. So we're rolling with Hull here. So, you know, I'm kind of mostly going off what I saw from Hull last summer and last spring. And that was really good. And, you know, by no means is a meniscus injury like a huge deal anymore. You know, it cost him his whole season, but it was just because it was how he explained to us this spring. It was kind of a special meniscus injury, so to speak. But he's not like an explosive guy, but I think he's got savvy between the tackles when he runs. I think he's, you know, he's likely to lower his shoulder, but I think he could kind of slip through things. He's, you know,
Starting point is 00:18:04 smaller in stature, obviously very good receiver, which is going to do him well. But I really think he's improving in pass protection, which is going to be a huge deal. I think the guy, him and Tyler Goodson are a wash when it comes to receiving, but to make him win that battle, you know, I think it's going to come down to pass protection. and ultimately I think that will really help him see the field more than Sermon because Sermon I think something has to happen to Taylor but with Hull I think they want to get him out there as that guy that can catch the ball and you know be reliable but also you know when he gets the ball do something with it and not just speed because it's not his game but you know fight for some extra yards on the outside maybe you can get him against a corner and pick up two,
Starting point is 00:18:49 three extra yards. Um, that's just a guy. I think they're going to be really interested in getting involved. And, you know, I, we know he's a good pass catcher. I'm going to bank on him improving in pass protection and he's serviceable as a, as a runner between the tackles as well from what we've seen before. I mean, we, he played in one game, so he's got to kind of prove me right there. But yeah, I'm going to say whole just assuming Taylor's health hole is just kind of by proxy going to have a little more usage than sermon will.
Starting point is 00:19:22 Yeah. I think ultimately it comes down to, you know, Shane Sagan in his career has down to, you know, Shane Sagan in his career has always had, you know, running back by committee. So he's had a guy who's been the bell cow first and second down. He's had a third down back and he's had to change a pace back. You look at Philly, they had, you know, what was it? Boston Scott was there. They had Sanders, Miles Sanders, I think his name and then kind of gained. Well, you know, it was a three headed monster they had, but he's never had a running back like Jonathan Taylor, you know, that super bell cow superstar potential type player.
Starting point is 00:19:50 So it depends on how much he wants to take that player off the field. If he wants to go back to his past and go to a third down running back role with an Evan Hull, I think he has a solid player there who can be his Kenneth Gainwell. But how much does he want to take Jonathan Taylor off the field for specific downs or for specific plays? I think ultimately that's what's going to come down to in this battle. So all you fantasy football people out there, half point PPR, 25 team leagues or whatever the heck, the deepest leagues you can go. That's a way you throw it at Evan Hall maybe there. But, you know, maybe get Trey Sermon to be your standard league 14 team, like, safety guard for Jonathan Taylor. You can probably talk more fantasy football than I can, Jake.
Starting point is 00:20:31 But I think Sermon's your safer bet in standard leagues. And then PPR leagues, you're probably wanting Hull. Yeah, I would say so. Because you're really looking to handcuff S to Taylor in that instance. But otherwise, if you're looking for probably the higher upside on points and PPR, it's definitely going to be whole. Cause I don't really recall sermon even being very involved in the past. Again, when he was out there,
Starting point is 00:20:55 it was kind of good. Sin was that guy. Cause the only time sermon needed to be used, good sin was available as well. So I don't think sermon is going to be super needed in the passing game. No, no, for sure. For sure. But coming up guys, available as well so yeah i don't think sermon is gonna be super needed in the passing game no no for sure for sure but coming up guys we are going to talk about this crazy tight end room um we have no clue how to break it down right now but we're gonna try to break it down here
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Starting point is 00:22:24 FanDuel, official sports betting making the most out of your summer. FanDuel, official sports betting partner of Major League Baseball. All right, so tight end. Who's going to make it? What is going on? Can anybody help? Can anybody stay healthy? So we've talked about kind of by proxy, Kylan Granson and Mo Alleycox. Those are the guys who the Colts probably feel most comfortable and safest starting if the season was at the end of this week. But Jelani Woods, you miss all of last season after having a pretty promising rookie campaign. Drew O'Wilcher had some good flashes last year as well, but had, I think, one or two concussions. He had at least one or two injuries. And then obviously at the end of the season, he had some off-field issues that kept him off the roster. So those guys, you mix
Starting point is 00:23:16 in Will Mallory as well. He's kind of the dark horse in here, but honestly, it's someone who we have talked about potentially winding up being the leading receiver among the group. So right now, I think we're going to primarily focus on Woods, Ogletree, Granson, and Allie Cox. But man, I think this really comes down to not necessarily who is the starters, but who's going to have the most snaps. You can kind of look at it the running back way as well, because if you followed along with us this off season, this is all going to be about roles and specialties. It's when it comes to Shane Steichen's offense, it's,
Starting point is 00:23:57 I don't think it's going to be any one guy that like dominates all the snaps and everything. And Zach, you've got more snap share statistics from last year to kind of further explain this. But, you know, you got a guy who, you know, Jelani Woods, he's going to be kind of a big play threat in the passing game. Drew Ogletree is kind of creeping into that Mo Alley-Cox role. Kylan Granson is kind of a jack of all trades. So if you had to kind of put your finger on it right now,
Starting point is 00:24:23 how would you throw guys into certain roles? And I mean, only so many guys can make it. I doubt they carry five tight ends. Yeah, I mean, who knows that even carry four tight ends this year? I mean, most teams carry like three in the Colts carried five going into last year. They obviously put Jelani Woods on IR to start the year. So it ended up only being four. But that's still a lot for most teams. Most
Starting point is 00:24:46 teams don't carry four tight ends. Or if they do, they usually have one that's kind of like up and down between the practice squad and not really like a full time roster guy. So it was crazy to see the Colts even carry that many last year. But if you look at the snap numbers from last year, you know, the only two players to surpass 400 total snaps, which is not a very high, you know, standard here, this is not a very high standard here. This is like half the offensive snaps on the year where Moelle Cox and Kylan Granson, Drew Ogletree was close behind with the high 300s. He was likely going to be the leading snap getter last year if it weren't for everything
Starting point is 00:25:18 that happened late in the season with him and with the injuries he dealt with early in the season. And then Will Mallory was in the high 100s. Angelani Woods obviously didn't play last year. So I think ultimately it comes down to who becomes the best blocker or who's going to lead the snaps. And my money would be on Drew Ogletree as of right now. But look, guys, I wouldn't be shocked if it's Mo'Ali Cox.
Starting point is 00:25:41 Like, again, we always talk about this. I don't know if, you know know it's a good sign for all these other guys and Marley Cox is tight end one again but at the end of the day he's the one who blocked like he's the one who blocks besides Drew Ogletree one of these other guys needs to step up as a blocker and I don't think it's gonna be Kylan Granson because we kind of know what he is but can a Jelani Woods be a serviceable blocker this year if Jelani Woods can be a serviceable blocker this year. If Jelani Woods can be a serviceable run blocker, he's going to get 800 snaps this year. He's going to get 700, 800 snaps because his upside as a pass catcher, along with being a serviceable run blocker, would make you never take him off the field. Same with like a Will Mallory even. A Will Mallory can be
Starting point is 00:26:18 an above average run blocker. Why would you take him off the field? He's got the athleticism in the hands that you don't ever take him off. But as of right now, I would lean Drew Ogletree because he's shown the most growth as a run blocker. He's got a great size, great physicality. He did some really good things in the run game. But man, if you ask me who's going to lead this group in receiving yards, I don't know, man. I truly have no clue.
Starting point is 00:26:40 It could be anyone from Mallory to Ogletree, Granson, Woods. It could be Mo again. It could be Mo. Who knows? Who knows with Mo? Mo's always around. He's become the Ashton Doolin of the tight end room in terms of just survivability. But yeah, I would lean towards Drew Ogletree just because of that run blocking right now.
Starting point is 00:27:00 But again, it comes down to what Jelani Woods and what Will Mallory and what, you know, Granson even can show in that department to gain more snaps this next season. Yeah, I think that Ogletree is probably going to, let's just say everyone stays healthy through camp and, you know, everyone takes at least a little bit of step forward in their progression. I do see Ogletree leading in snaps just because we've already kind of seen it. They've gotten him involved not only in blocking and pass blocking, but in-line blocking as well, which if you can do that, you can stay on the field. So he may lead in snaps, but I think that Woods is going to have a role
Starting point is 00:27:43 regardless of whether or not he could block a breeze coming through a window. You know, like he's he offers something that not everybody can do. Like he's huge. He's athletic. He's a dangerous pass catcher. So I think he'll probably be the leading receiver of the group. Ogletree will get the most snaps. And then you kind of see where Granson falls in, you know, behind there. In this instance, I think Mo Alley-Cox is kind of, you know, if Ogletree and Woods are looking good,
Starting point is 00:28:15 I just don't see the reason to have Mo on the roster. It's a numbers game. I mean, I like what he's been able to do, but I just don't see them carrying five tight ends. Because Will Mallory, I think, I think he's got the makings of being a very reliable pass catcher. I mean, at worst he is, has reliable hands that can move the chains and that's always going to have a spot on a roster. But yeah, I honestly, like if, if all of, if again, like I mentioned, if everyone takes a step forward and stays healthy, I think Mo Alleycox is probably the odd man out,
Starting point is 00:28:51 but where does Kylan fall in the pecking order? Because the past couple of years, it feels like he has been the one to be relied on to be able to do the most, whatever role they need filled. He's there, you know, he's not a bad pass catcher. He gets separation he has some yak ability we've seen him do some things downfield but because joannie woods and drew ogletree probably offer more upside does that make him you know the third guy because again will mallory always getting better reliable hands moving the chains i'm very curious what happens
Starting point is 00:29:24 with grants and if all parts are equal yeah i will say this real quick before we get out here and we'll see if you guys agree with me in the comments but i don't think there's like say we keep four on a tight end this year there is no order of four players or any particular four players that would shock me like you could you could sell me on any of these five guys being cut or traded this offseason and it wouldn't shock like Jelani Woods and Kylan Granson would probably be the most shocking but like if Woods has a bad camp and doesn't look like himself I could easily see him being a cut candidate I could see Kylan Granson being a cut candidate if guys like Mallory and Ogletree and
Starting point is 00:30:01 Woods take big steps I could see obviously Moe and Ogletree I mean probably not Ogletree and Woods take big steps. I could see, obviously, Moe and Ogletree. I mean, probably not Ogletree either, but I could see any of these guys being cut candidates. I could see any of these guys being the starter. I could see any of these guys being the fourth string. There is no order of this tight end room that would surprise me, and it really is this year's cornerback room, just with fewer spots to fill. Where corner last year, it was a wide-open competition
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