Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - Indianapolis Colts: Jonathan Stewart Joins to Discuss Carolina Panthers, Colts Running Back Duo

Starting point is 00:00:00 The Colts need to get right performance in the worst way, but there's an old familiar face standing in their way this week. Let's get to it. You are locked on Colts, your daily Indianapolis Colts podcast, part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. All right. Thanks for tuning in and making us your first listen of the day. This is your daily podcast covering your Indianapolis Colts, part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day.

Starting point is 00:00:45 And today's show is brought to you by PrizePix, which is the easiest and most exciting way to play daily fantasy sports. Go to prizepix.com slash locked on NFL and use code all lowercase locked on NFL for a first deposit match up to $100. Welcome to the show, everybody. I am Jake Arthur and he is Zach Hicks, of course. You know the two of us from HorseshoeHuddle.com. And we're joined by a very special guest today.

Starting point is 00:01:10 He's a former pro bowler, first-round pick, the Panthers' all-time leading rusher, and the owner of one of the best running back aesthetics in NFL history. It is Jonathan Stewart. Welcome to the show, man. Thanks for joining us. Oh, man. Thank you, man. Thanks for having me on despite the Panthers season so far, but I think we're in alignment right now. Yeah, I think both sides are going through. The Colts, it's not going super great either. Obviously, a lot of familiarity there, though. So far,

Starting point is 00:01:45 about midway through the season, what's your impression of, of the Frank Reich led Panthers team? You know, I think, you know, for the most part, I think a lot of people that are, you know, smart football fans understand what the process is like when you have a new coaching staff, new, I don't care what you say about, you know, drafting a number one, you know, pick, especially a quarterback, there's, there's a learning curve. And, you know, you know, I think the offensive coordinating situation is now, you know, set. But with that, you know, there's, there was a learning curve there for everyone. Your scheme and things you want to do, you might not necessarily have all the pieces that fit your scheme.

Starting point is 00:02:30 So you're having to figure out what it is that actually works for the guys that are on your squad and the guys that are healthy. Talk about depth issues throughout the whole entire season. I mean, I feel like a lot of teams have depth issues now that you think about it. But I think, you know, as a football fan, you have to hit the reset button. And if you do that, you know, one in six isn't so bad, especially if you're in this division. At the end of the day, you're two games out, and you still got a lot of games left to play, including some division games.

Starting point is 00:03:18 So you rally some games together, and you stay positive, and you show up to games as a fan and continue to cheer these guys on and just be positive about what's going on with the coaching staff. I mean, this coaching staff, I think they're doing a great job. I think last game showed a lot of what is to come. Being able to win tough games like that, it's hard. It's easier when things are going well from one side of the ball and then to find the momentum at some point in the game, but to never find any momentum on any side of the ball. And then to be able to take a six minute drive down on offense and

Starting point is 00:04:06 win a game that, that strikes me as a team that is being coached well. Cause that's all about execution. Yeah. No, I want to get back to this Panthers team obviously here in a second, but since we have you on the show, it's such a unique perspective when it comes to running back play.

Starting point is 00:04:21 The Colts have a really interesting dynamic going right now in their running backfield. They have Jonathan Taylor who they just gave a really interesting dynamic going right now in their running backfield. They have Jonathan Taylor who they just gave a big extension to one of the best running backs in football. And then they have Zach Moss. Who's the second leading rusher in the NFL, a really, really good one to punch famously.

Starting point is 00:04:36 You were part of one of the best one, two punches in NFL history. What is that dynamic? Like when you have two running backs that are playing at such a high level and two really good running backs? How does that dynamic work with the other guy next to you? Obviously, you want your carries, but it's productive for the offense. Yeah, man.

Starting point is 00:04:53 I think as long as the offense is driven to produce in the running game. I mean, my first couple years, our offensive coordinator, Coach Davidson, he, you know, was all about running the ball. I mean, it would be fourth and five or third and ten running draw and just make something happen. It's either a draw or we're doing a smoked smitty. But, you know, as long as you're committed to the run game, that means there's going to be carries available for both.

Starting point is 00:05:34 And not that, you know, there's like a, oh, I want the carries type of mentality. But as a running back, you want to make an impact. Especially considering the fact that Zach Moss proved himself to be worthy of having some carries. And so now if this was the other way around where Zach Moss was on the bench and Jonathan Taylor was playing in the beginning of the season and we never got a chance to see Zach Moss, we wouldn't be saying, oh, we should be giving both of them carries, right? But in this case, now you have two guys that are fresh. You've got two fresh backs that give a defense a different taste. Defenses don't like that, especially the types of backs they are.

Starting point is 00:06:15 I mean, they're solid big backs in consideration to the rest of the league. Guys that know how to run downhill, make one plant, get upfield, but also know how to make guys miss in the secondary and stuff like that. So, you know, I think what they got is something special. They can build on that for sure. If I were them, I would just, you know, stack that offensive line and just continue to get some depth there, find you a nice um addition to Pittman and you're not far away on offense yeah um not defense that's another story oh yeah that

Starting point is 00:06:57 defense is tough we had kind of a whole roast session about it throughout the week uh you kind of alluded to this earlier you know when you've got a young team, new coaching staff, it's a process. So from the outside on the face of it, you know, the Panthers one and six, it looks like they're not a very good team. And Bryce Young has been underwhelming. The Colts have seen a lot of that as well. You know, Anthony Richardson, rookie got banged up. Not everything was super flashy. What what how can you dispel some of the myths that maybe people from the outside who don't know better are saying about the panthers i mean you see you see these types of teams every year um it reminds me of the miami dolphins like um three years ago or four years ago.

Starting point is 00:07:45 But, you know, everyone, you know, said, oh, here's the same old Miami. They got a new draft pick and they're not good. Draft picks don't make you good immediately. You have to build your team, especially like I said, you have a new offensive coordinator. You have a new defensive coordinator, new scheme on defense even. You're running a 3-4 now. But I think right now the guys that are on that defense, as they continue to get healthy,

Starting point is 00:08:14 you're seeing a defense that's actually pretty strong. That's one of our strong points right now as the Carolina Panthers. But, I mean, these are guys that are learning how to win at depth, learning how to win games that, you know, guys are put in situations that seem impossible almost. And so we haven't been out of a lot of, like the first, I think the Atlanta game we could have won. You know, just a couple plays, a couple hiccups there. But, you know, this is a team that's not

Starting point is 00:08:59 been getting blown out by any means by every team that they've lost to. So what they're doing in the locker room, man, it's definitely some growing pains, right? And you need that if you're going to be a good team down the road. Because at the end of the day, once you learn what it feels like to lose and you learn how guys respond under pressure, that's when you really learn how to win games. Yeah, I think on paper, this isn't a super exciting matchup. I

Starting point is 00:09:37 think between the Colts and this Panthers team, I think there's potential there for it to be a pretty good matchup. But Jonathan, thanks again so much for taking out some of your time to talk with us. Catch him on the Believe in Panthers podcast and on Twitter slash X and Instagram at JonathanStewer1. No T. JonathanStewer1. Thanks again. Prize Picks is the largest daily fantasy sports platform in North America. They're the easiest and most exciting way to play DFS. It's just you against the numbers.

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Starting point is 00:12:49 And then when you're looking at the Panthers, their whole team is riding a pretty good high after getting their very first victory, despite their offense having a really bad season, their defense not having the greatest season either. I know on paper, this is a boring matchup, like you said, when we were talking with Jonathanathan there but i don't know i think that we could see some fireworks just because these defenses are so bad and you have the panthers offense finding a little bit of a groove and then the colts offense playing fairly well as well yeah i'm getting real colts browns vibes like now the panthers defense is not what the browns was but like no one expected those offenses to do what they did. And I really think that, like you said, I think there's a chance for some fireworks here for both sides to kind of get right. Cause I know Bryce Young hasn't really,

Starting point is 00:13:35 you know, he's been a little underwhelming as well compared to when Anthony Richardson was out there and what CJ Stroud has done. But yeah, real opportunity. The Colts are kind of open for business defensively, just kind of letting everybody do their thing right now. I think when you look at it, you obviously have to look at the Colts' run game. It's an opportunity for them to kind of – they don't think they did anything wrong, but kind of correct abandoning things in the second half last week. It's what was working, and it's the clear area to attack the panthers defense so i mean shane steichen seems to be the type of guy who is going to identify the weakness and attack it for as long

Starting point is 00:14:17 as it's able to be done um so that's kind of the big x factor for me here is it seems so obvious that will the Panthers just give up everything to take away the run and make Gardner beat them because that hasn't gone well so far this season. Yeah, well, the Colts are really running into an issue with opposing defenses is these opposing defenses when it came down to like the Jaguars game, for instance, they were in base defense for pretty much that entire game. They were daring the Colts to throw the ball and it didn't work out. You go to this past game against the Saints, the Saints were in base defense all game, but they were dropping their

Starting point is 00:14:51 strong safety into the box on every single snap. They were having their nickel corners, playing the run really aggressive. So it was like they were in base defense for the whole game. So rightfully so, the Colts will transition into a passing heavy attack but Gardner Minshew's not that kind of guy it is kind of funny though that we're so that you know we had this whole conversation all week about how the Colts abandoned the run this past game where they had finished the game I think with like 23 carries for it was like 160 yards rushing it was around 160 yards rushing 23 carries a good amount for your running backs but because the Colts have run the ball in some of these games 30, 35, 40 times,

Starting point is 00:15:26 we're expecting it to hit that kind of marker every single time they have some success. But I do think, going away from that tangent there, I do think that they are in a good position this week to get back to that running game, get both of these running backs 15-plus carries, hit the ground running, and just kind of rely on your offensive line to win up front in the trenches yes the panthers will probably come out and base defense a lot yes they'll probably bring their safety down and you're going to have to throw them out of that at times in this game but i wouldn't hate the colts to try to attack strength with strength at times in this game that's the one thing i really had against shane steichen with it

Starting point is 00:16:02 like again i'm opposed to running into a brick wall constantly like they were in last week's game. But sometimes you do have to attack strength with strength and just rely on your guys winning that matchup. Now, if it leads to third and eights and third and nines, then you have to go away from it. But until they show they can stop it, keep, you know, keep running it. So I think this is gonna be one of those games where, like, if the running game is getting going early like it was last week keep leaning on it keep relying on it don't turn to gardner minchu too early because we just know who he is uh and especially in a matchup like this where it might come down to whoever turns the ball over a few amount of times it's gonna win and when you're looking at this panthers defense they have six takeaways this whole season

Starting point is 00:16:40 gardner minchu has given the ball away more times the last like two games than the Panthers have all year. So it really comes down to can the Colts play within control and keep things just moving on offense and not turn the ball over? Because again, I think the Panthers offense is going to score a little bit in this game, but I do think they're going to have the Colts defense going to have a little more success this week than what they did last week. Hopefully, hopefully. Yeah, they're they're a real interesting defense because again 29th against the run and that includes a true 28th in yards per carry they're giving up four and 4.7 but they're 30th in scoring they give up 28.4 like you mentioned only six takeaways but both them and the colts are really good at getting off the field on third downs but they're also not getting very many sacks.

Starting point is 00:17:25 They rank near the bottom of the league in sacks as well, I think. So they're just a really interesting group, you know, kind of swarming as Euro Evero knows what he's doing there. So real interested in that, regardless of whether or not the Colts are going to be able to run Gardner taking care of the football is like 0. a one b one c like I don't think this is a matchup where they're going to be able to afford those the there are certain ones where Miles Garrett comes from your blind side yes you're going to fumble nine out of ten times

Starting point is 00:17:57 but the careless ones are like they're real unnecessary ones are just things they're going to have to avoid yeah yeah one more thing I want to throw out though about the Colts defense versus the Panthers offense is these two little snippets with that kind of matchup. One is the Colts have really been getting killed by the quarterbacks who get the ball out quickly and know how to attack the middle of the field, especially at the intermediate level. Even last week with Derek Carr, I know that that was a little bit of an outlier because that was just Tony Brown getting abused in the passing game. But there were a lot of situations in that game where the Panthers were just getting what they wanted over the middle of the field especially with Alvin Kamara out the backfield you go back to earlier matchups in the season CJ Stroud just killing them on those dig routes over

Starting point is 00:18:35 the middle Matthew Stafford killing them with dig routes over the middle those were the quarterbacks that really kill the Colts defense those precise precise, accurate quarterbacks. I'm not saying Bryce Young isn't that, but Bryce Young is still in like a beginner's phase, I guess, in his development. You know, he's not as precise. He's not as on time or in rhythm as some of these other quarterbacks they've played. And we've seen Gus Bradley's defense have more success against those types.

Starting point is 00:19:02 You know, Lamar Jackson back in week three, you go back to what the Titans game against Ryan Tannehill. Ryan Tannehill was able to get the ball out a little bit, but it still wasn't very effective or productive yards overall. So I think when you have the quarterbacks who are struggling or whatever, going into the Colts matchup and struggle with their accuracy and getting the ball out in rhythm, the Colts defense has played a little bit better. And then one more thing I did want to throw out there too,

Starting point is 00:19:23 for the Colts defense is when Gus Bradley was hired to be the Colts defensive coordinator a big part of that was because Frank Reich was terrified not terrified of playing against him but hated playing against Gus Bradley's defenses absolutely hated them uh throughout his whole career the like the biggest reason why he wanted Gus is because when they put when Carson Wentz and the Colts played against the the Raiders the year before they gave the Colts offense a lot of fits. So it's something that Gus that Gus Bradley's always kind of had a little bit of success against Frank Reich and those offenses. So we'll see how that matchup goes. Obviously, Frank knows that defense well because he was around it all last season.

Starting point is 00:19:56 But Gus knows Frank really well, too. So it could go the other way as well. So we'll see if the Colts defense can bounce back. We'll talk about that again in our final segment here. But it's going to be an interesting one. It's such a big game for this Colts defense. They need to bounce back in this matchup or it might be donezo for them this whole entire season. Yeah, this is definitely one of those ones they really have to win because everything on paper says they should. I mean, the statistics, I think, for the Panthers are a true reflection of it. You know, 27th on offense, 25th in scoring.

Starting point is 00:20:28 They're giving up a lot of sacks, tied for 26th, 31st in passing yards per attempt at 5.8. That was a Frank Reich key passing metric that he always said needed to be much higher. That's one way he measures passing game success, and that's not reflective of his offense right now. So, yeah, that's going to be much higher. That's how one way he measures passing game success. And that's not reflective of his offense right now. So yeah, that's gonna be really interesting. So guys, we got more for you coming up here in a minute. We're going to give you our final predictions, let you know what we think is going to happen. Folks, I have a problem that I have zero intention of getting help with and that is ordering food all the time.

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Starting point is 00:22:48 And to get there, when you look at your crystal ball and you get your final score here, what has happened to lead to that? I think it really just comes down to which offense gives up fewer sacks and turns the ball over a few amount of times. And again, when you look at the stats on the year, the Colts defense has been better at generating turnovers than the Panthers defense. The Colts defense has been better at getting sacks than the Panthers defense. And I think that's going to be a huge aspect in this game.

Starting point is 00:23:17 So when I'm looking at my crystal ball and looking at how the Colts got this victory is what I'm predicting the Colts getting the victory this weekend. I think if a lot of it comes down to that, I think these offenses are going to move the ball steadily. It's not going to be gigantic gash plays unless it's on the ground. Cause I just don't think either of these passing offenses are really like that explosive. They have, you know, two explosive running games or what could be explosive running game for the Panthers.

Starting point is 00:23:38 Cause the Colts don't have defensive tackles right now. So I think it's going to be one of those games where it's going to be three yards in a cloud of dust, four yards of the cloud dust for these offenses. And we're going to be just ripping our hair out, watching these defenses, try to get any kind of stop whatsoever. But I do think it's going to come down to those few drives where,

Starting point is 00:23:57 Oh, the Colts got a sack here. The Panthers are facing a third and 12. They're not going to get that third and 12. They're going to throw some wide receiver screen and get stuff for a two yard gain. And then on the other side, again, again if if Gardner Minshew has like two or three fumbles and the Panthers are starting in plus territory then obviously they're going to

Starting point is 00:24:12 get some more points there but I think ultimately the Colts are going to come away with this game with more sacks a couple more turnovers with their defense and that's going to be the deciding factor I do think it's going to be like a big high scoring game I have 31 to 27 Colts in this one but I do think ultimately, again, the Colts are gonna be able to run the ball really well. Their passing game is going to be efficient and effective for the most part. It really comes down to just don't turn the ball over

Starting point is 00:24:33 and don't have negative yardage plays. Keep everything going forward. Keep your defense fresh on the other side of the ball and good things can happen. But yeah, you know, I don't think this is a matchup between two great teams. Obviously, this is two teams that are struggling right now, but I do think the Colts are the better team with more talent

Starting point is 00:24:49 and honestly the better coaching staff right now too. So hopefully they can get it done this weekend, but I do think ultimately it's going to come down to those sacks and those turnovers. Yeah, I agree. I like your – you said 31-27 on the crossover. Is that right? Right.

Starting point is 00:25:03 Okay, so I have 31-24. I think I really liked your score prediction, but I'm going to give the Colts defense just like a smidge more credit, I guess, and keep a field goal off the board there. But, no, I agree. I think the Colts run game will be able to be pretty effective, and when you can do that, that opens up play action. That gets you up early on the down and distance. We know Gardner likes to get those quick shots going. If Kylan Granson is back, that would be really big for them. I think him and Josh

Starting point is 00:25:35 Downs over the middle of the field creating yards after catch opportunities, I think that'd be big. And then I think one of the biggest things that we're going to have to see, and you mentioned it, is the sacks, because it's just not been there for the Colts lately. They still have the guys there, but I think you're also kind of seeing the effectiveness and presence of Grover Stewart and how that plays into it, him not being there. I know off the tackles, the Panthers have kind of struggled

Starting point is 00:26:03 keeping pressure off the tackles they've kind of, the Panthers have kind of struggled keeping pressure off the quarterback. I like Ebucom to come back with another sack this week. Quiddie Paye has been kind of dry lately as well, so I can see another sack for him. It's going to have to come off the edge. I mean, DeForest Buckner is going to do his thing. Whether or not he'll be able to get a sack, we'll see, but I really am counting on the edge guys to get back into it and be a little more productive than they have been the last few weeks. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:30 Yeah. And I think a big thing too, in this game for the Colts is getting ahead early and, and kind of establishing yourself as the better team early in this game. Because one thing I did want to devote a whole segment to this week, but we just didn't have enough shows was Gardner Minshew is so game flow dependent at quarterback. And it's been so obvious these last couple of weeks where when the Colts are

Starting point is 00:26:50 ahead and when he's able to be that quarterback with the lead, which actually it goes back to those two games that he came in for Anthony Richardson, he came into those games with leads. And those are probably his two best games of the entire year where he just didn't turn the ball over. We was able to keep everything kind of contained and in front of him. And he had really good football games against both the Titans and the Texans. Now, when you go to these other games where he's starting from start to finish and he's

Starting point is 00:27:11 the guy from from the minute one of the game and you have the ebbs and flows of an actual game, you have the times your team is losing the times where your team needs a quick drive here to get back into it. He's not really that quarterback, you know, like like he's not like again, I know the Cleveland game. He was able to get back into it he's not really that quarterback you know like like he's not like again I know the Cleveland game he was able to get some things going a lot of those were on all sides by the defense you know getting the ball down the field and getting things going that way but for the most part he's such a game flow dependent quarterback to where if his team's ahead and he's in the team's rolling he can play more contained he can play more get the ball out okay

Starting point is 00:27:43 we can be a little more conservative and I can take my shots every now and then, but when that game flow is going against him, when the team is losing, when on the other side of the ball, his defense is getting a stops. That's when you get, when you start seeing like the happy feet, that's when you see the inaccuracies. That's when you see him forcing some throws him, you know, when a sack is about to happen, him still holding onto the ball and getting hit from behind. That's where you see a lot of those things happen. The mistakes happen when he feels like he has to make plays. So if the Colts can come out early in this game, score early, score once or twice early,

Starting point is 00:28:13 get that lead and make Gardner Minshew, the game manager, easy game flow type of quarterback, then they have a good chance of winning it. But if it gets into a game, like it's been the last couple of weeks where it's a shootout, where he needs to score 30 to 40 points in order order to win that's when you're going to see more mistakes and that's where the turnovers happen so hopefully the colts can get ahead of it early and

Starting point is 00:28:32 they can just keep him in cruise control the rest of the game and that's how they can win this football game against the panthers i like it cruise control that's going to be the tag on this episode uh but no i i mean i'm looking for this one they need it bad three and six is not going to be the tag on this episode uh but no i i mean i'm looking for this one they need it bad three and six is not going to be a good look fall into a team that was one and six coming into it uh again they've got a really important stretch they got the patriots in germany they've got the buccaneers coming up the bi-week sandwich in there as well so really important stretch coming up from them they need the win we both think it's gonna happen yeah yeah i definitely think uh you got this is i don't want to say must win obviously because we're at the point in the

Starting point is 00:29:08 season where every game is a must win but yeah they have to finish strong going into the buy obviously you want to go 2-0 going into the buy at least get one of these going into the buy so you can convince yourself that there's brighter days ahead uh but just get healthy like going into the buy get some positive momentum going into it and roll after that but every day is don't worry but back with you guys on sunday after the game it's gonna be a bit of a later show because i believe the colts play at four this weekend right jake i think they play i would have to look i'll be honest i have not looked yet i believe they play at four this weekend so guys will be with you after the game and if you guys don't already make sure you're following

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