Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - Indianapolis Colts NFL Draft Talk: Kelee Ringo or Julius Brents in Round 2?

Episode Date: April 6, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You've heard us talk about quarterbacks almost every episode this offseason, but now it's time to flip to the defensive side of the ball and talk about draft corners. Let's get to it. You are Locked On Colts, your daily Indianapolis Colts podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast making us your first listen today. This is your daily podcast covering your Indianapolis Colts, part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. This episode is brought to you by FanDuel Sportsbook,
Starting point is 00:00:49 official sports partner of the NFL. Make every moment more. Visit FanDuel.com slash Locked On to get started today. I'm Zach Hicks, and I'm joined today by not Jonathan Hagler, not Jake Arthur, but Rashad McGinnis, one of my colleagues over there at HorseshoeHuddle.com. You guys can also check him. What's your podcast you do with John Ledyard?
Starting point is 00:01:10 I love that podcast. Audibles and Analytics. Such a great podcast. You guys, if you're into some of that draft stuff, go over there. They break down some great stuff. And obviously, Shad does his podcast with Destin here with Horseshoe Huddle. So you guys can hear Shot everywhere. And before we get into our topic for today, yes, Jonathan Hagler was going to jump on with me,
Starting point is 00:01:29 but he had something come up. And if you guys are not really interested in the cornerback talk, go listen to our thing earlier yesterday. I think Jake did a live stream talking Anthony Richardson with a guy. So don't worry, you guys still got your quarterback fix. But Shot and I, we're both draft nerds.
Starting point is 00:01:44 We love the draft. And it's kind of been breaking our heart a little bit I so don't worry you guys still got your quarterback fix but shot and I we're both draft nerds we love the draft and it's kind of been breaking our heart a little bit that you guys are only interested in the quarterback this offseason because typically man we're just you know I'm putting out like hundreds of draft articles like I'm still doing a little bit of that but like yeah we're getting some good conversation going about draft stuff but this year it's just Richardson Levis that's all people want to hear about so you know if you guys actually want to hear some draft nerds talking about the draft, that's what this episode is for. We're going to talk about cornerbacks, cornerbacks that the Colts could target here on day two, on day three, maybe of the NFL draft. And, and shot,
Starting point is 00:02:17 I told you before we jump on today, I have my big three. I call these my big three corners that I think the Colts could like at pick 35, pick whatever if they trade back, maybe 79 if they get lucky and they still have that pick. But I think these are my big three. I think Indy's going to love this draft cycle. And that's Kelly Ringo from Georgia. Awesome cornerback.
Starting point is 00:02:39 We'll talk about him first. Julius Brents from Kansas State and Darius Rush from South Carolina. So let's talk about Kelly Ringo here you guys can see my little header if you're on YouTube that I have Kelly Ringo C3 because I think this cornerback is the perfect fit for Gus Bradley like if you think a classic cover three Gus Bradley type of corner I think that's Ringo from Georgia yeah and he's a classic Chris Ballard height weight speed guy right you know he's a Tracy guy that that's when Gus Bradley and, and Chris Ballard has a baby. It's Kelly Ringo, you know, uh, definitely a great athlete.
Starting point is 00:03:14 You know, I love the way he takes away inside leverage from, from the quarterback. I mean, from wide receivers on the outside, you know, he, he, he turns, he turns his back almost toward the quarterback, and he has this little side kick step that he does when receivers try to release on him. And it's so smooth the way he does it because he's such a big guy. You wouldn't think his technique would be that good, but he's actually solid with his technique.
Starting point is 00:03:38 You know, I think he has a little trouble tracking, but I don't think that'll be a problem with him at the next level because the process is good. You know, you see some of those guys that don't have elite ball production in college, but you like the process, you know, then pretty much that'll change at the next level. As long as the process, they good, he gets his head around, he finds the ball when the ball is in the air, he doesn't panic, gets a little handsy at some times, but that's pretty much almost all these cornerbacks that we're looking at and we're evaluating at this level. I think he is perfect for those vertical matchups in the cover three that he's going to
Starting point is 00:04:10 get a lot. And the size and his length is going to bother guys out on the boundary, especially when he gets a chance to squeeze those wide receivers toward the sideline, which is what he's fantastic at. Yeah, yeah. I think he's a guy where, if I'm talking like a pure man coverage scheme like if i'm only doing press or i'm doing some off man and stuff like that i'm nervous with ringo like i just i don't think he has the lateral ability to to be a stout corner in that type of scheme but when you're talking this cover three where you're going to be up at the line every now and then maybe doing some bump and run type stuff pinching to the sideline like
Starting point is 00:04:43 you said but typically you're going to be in that back shuffle that he loves to be in and he is if you guys don't know there's two types of techniques when it comes to getting depth at cornerback you know you can backpedal like everyone is taught when they're a little kid or you can do the alabama and the georgia type thing of side shuffle you know you can shuffle backwards and you're kind of breaking on those in breaking routes. And it kind of gives those big lanky corners more of a, more of a advantage than kind of having to transition out of that back pedal. It, you know, it takes more steps to transition out of that back pedal. So if you're side shuffling back, you can transition in earlier.
Starting point is 00:05:16 And it's great with those big lengthy guys, because you're typically having to play through contact more doing that because you're opening it up a little bit more, but I think Ringo is perfect at that. He had some really, really good reps on film Cedric Tillman he had a really nice interception against Tillman in that in that Tennessee game this year yeah I'm sold I'm completely sold if he's there at 35 I know that there's temptation to trade back especially if they end up moving pick number 79 Hinton if they end up moving pick 79 you want to move back but I think of Ringo's there at 35 you just got to pull the trigger like cornerback is that important and I think he's that
Starting point is 00:05:52 much of a good fit like the early early results might not be great because he's a little handsy but I think long term he's such a great fit in that Gus Bradley scheme yeah and when you look at even when you talk about the body size he's such a different size guy than what cornerbacks you have in a room. You know, we're talking about a room that consists of Isaiah Rogers, Kenny Moore and Dallas Flowers. You know, you need that big physical cornerback that Gus Bradley likes. Gus Bradley probably looks at the rest of the cornerback room and is like, where are my guys? You know, I know there's a couple of guys that we're hoping, one in particular, that they're targeting free agency. That would be another guy right in this kind of mold that we're talking about. But Bradley wants to get some of those bigger bodies in here,
Starting point is 00:06:32 man. Do not think for one second he's not pounding the table for a guy like Keely Ringo and these other two guys that has great size as well. But I think Ringo is just the best athlete of those guys and the best just pure cornerback for his size at the position. Out of these three that we're going to discuss. Yeah, I agree. And I think he's the most NFL ready. I think he's the guy from day one you feel comfortable putting him out there.
Starting point is 00:06:57 Like you're not going to put him on an island every single rep, but you feel comfortable enough with him out there on an island. Now these other two guys, I think they're more in that raw mold here. Julius Brent's from Kansas State. Some really, really good stuff on film, but inconsistency and the lack of long speed definitely do show up. And then Darius Rush, the former wide receiver, moved corner at South Carolina. Which of these guys do you have higher currently on your board? Because I think they're pretty close for me. They're both upside guys. They're both raw guys, but I love both both I think both are great for this team I have Darius Rush just a tad bit higher than Julius Brent just because
Starting point is 00:07:30 like Darius Rush has bad reps and you know we talked about it earlier we talked about his matchup with Rasheed Rice but the the TCU game just give me nightmares and I told I talked to you about it I believe that was yesterday I may have DM'd you about it, telling you, watching Julius Prince guard Quentin Johnson just gave me nightmares. But one thing that I do like about it is that he wouldn't be asked to do what he was asked to do at Kansas State in this Colts system, you know, this Gus Bradley system where he's just carrying – pretty much carrying guys vertically.
Starting point is 00:08:04 And with his lint in a way he disrupts guys throughout their route that's what I like about him with that physicality he disrupts the timing of wide receivers all the time throughout the route you know and he's going to get called for a lot of that early on until he gets a feel for how things is so I do like that about Julius Brents but I just think Darius Rush has the best height, size, and speed combination out of him and Julius Prince. So that's what I do like about him. I think his makeup speed is pretty good when the ball gets in the air. Sometimes he panics though, and you can tell it's really obvious on film, but the kind of lint that both of these guys have,
Starting point is 00:08:41 you know, it's kind of like you're splitting hairs when you're talking about uh prospects so i'd just rather go with the faster guy when you have similar profiles like that and i think that's darius rush by far yeah yeah no i agree i think julius brentz is a phenomenal athlete phenomenal for sure like he great athlete i think honestly if we were still in the matt eberflue scheme like you already send that pick in at 35 because if you're only asking to cover those short zones and occasionally drop a little bit deeper oh man that is a perfect fit that is a little bit more in this Gus Bradley scheme he's gonna have to open up and get vertical which again the long speed comes in Quinton Johnson is a phenomenal wide receiver and just had his way with him at times it was it was a good little battle but it was just the low lights for Brents were were low
Starting point is 00:09:24 lights for sure um yeah it was just a couple of bad Brents were low lights for sure. Yeah, it was just a couple of bad reps that was really bad. But it wasn't like he got dominated throughout the game. No, he had an interception in that game, if you're talking about the second one. On a short fade ball. It was a short fade that dug him through. Oh, my God. Such a terrible throw.
Starting point is 00:09:43 It was awful. It was awful. But it was a good rep by Brent. Yeah, it was a Such a terrible throw. It was awful. It was awful. But it was good. It was it was a good route. But a good rep. Yeah, it was a good rep for sure. He had a good position on it. Yeah. So if we're talking about these big three guys, I think all three are going to be really much in play for the Colts in the second round. Maybe the third round, maybe Rush gets there in the third round of Brents. Yeah. One of those guys might get there in round three. But overall, the way I view it is Ringo's most ready guy to play. He's the guy you're going to take higher. Brentnts and rush i think are both high upside guys rush is that former wide receiver is going to give you some good ball production and then brents is that
Starting point is 00:10:14 guy who he might he might be like another rocchia sin type in the nfl where he just consistently locks it down just doesn't have like a thousand interceptions or anything like that but that's a good corner to have so i think these big three i but that's a good corner to have. So I think these big three, I think it's a good chance. One of these guys ends up the Colts if they end up going corner and round two this next month. I think if, well, I think one of those guys probably makes it to 79. It's so realistic with such a deep corner graph, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:39 you're looking at so many guys, you know, we reeled off a bunch of them, but when you're talking about specific Colts fits, I think these three guys fits fits that kind of mold, you know we reeled off a bunch of them but when you're talking about specific coach fits i think these three guys fits fits that kind of mold you know and i know we'll talk about some other guys a little bit later but with the the amount of depth in this corner class i think it's realistic that you can see one of these guys definitely make it there at 79 you know if the coach are going to trade back at 35 then you know keely ringo's probably out of the picture because he should be a top 40 pick yeah yeah yeah for sure coming up guys we're going to trade back at 35, you know, killing Ringo's probably out of the picture because he should be a top 40 pick.
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Starting point is 00:12:10 All right. All right. All right. okay yeah i usually go nba and i went nba all right all right all right let's get into some more corner talk here and i'm gonna throw out my first guy and this is a guy you and i were talking a little bit before the show i like jacorian bennett a good bit from maryland i think this is a guy where as of right now he is an athlete playing corner like he's not a cornerback like he does a lot of good things like don't get me wrong I'm not trying to say that he's like this super hyper raw guy like there are some good things on film but what you're getting when you draft him is an athlete that I can mold you know this is a four threes guy uh jump I think he jumped like 40 inches as well like just super explosive super fast really really smooth and quick feet on film as well uh gets up there and gets competitive and press.
Starting point is 00:12:46 And then on top of all that, has experience as a gunner. I think he blocked a kick on kick on like, I think it was on a field goal this year. He blocked the kick against Michigan. Did that, was a gunner. It came up through the JUCO route, Hutchinson Community College, and worked his way up to Maryland and became a starter too. Like impressive journey, special teams background.
Starting point is 00:13:06 I think this is a guy where if you're sitting there in round four and you see that profile and you see what he's been through and see how he's gotten to where he is, that is the type of guy I want. Because day one, I can throw him at gunner and know I'm going to get a top tier gunner. And then one day I might get a pretty good corner out of him. So when I'm identifying like day three type guys, I look at that type of profile right there and I say, okay, there we go. Day one, you're going to be something for me. And maybe even later, you're going to be something even better. Yeah. You know, from talking to teams, you know, that's what they look for. They look for the
Starting point is 00:13:36 athletes on day three that can play special teams. Those two things is things that they're going to bet on every time when it comes to day three. And I really like Ja'Cory and Ben's game. I mean, athletic profile is off the charts. You know, I think the ball production could be could be better. But, you know, he's so raw that like if you could just get the process down with his athletic traits, you know, you can have something there. You know, in Isaiah Rogers mode, Isaiah Rogers was one and it's just a special teamer, but the process was always good with him even throughout college. So it naturally translated over to the NFL when a lot of people thought that he was too small or he was limited, limited physically. But I don't see that any of that with Ja'Cory and
Starting point is 00:14:20 Bennett. A guy that I'm looking at is Eli Ricks. Eli Ricks started out at LSU, was on the famous LSU team that went undefeated, was arguably college football's best team, you know, and he got a lot of playing time then as a freshman. He eventually transferred to Alabama and I got a chance to see him at his pro day and he looked good, man. He was moving well. He's he's a bigger guy. We know that, you know, the coach like bigger guys. I think he he challenges receivers at the line of scrimmage. So so whatever team that that does pick him, you want to use him at the line of scrimmage. You want to let him allow him to use this length. He's at active hands. Very, very active hands at the line of scrimmage. He's perfect for those bigger body guys that you may match up with.
Starting point is 00:15:06 He's a bigger body that you can throw at those guys. If you ask him to play man coverage, it won't work out well. His lateral movement is not great. I don't like him in off coverage. I think he reacts slow when he's diagnosed and routes. He's not particularly fluid. But these are things that, you know, you hope you can coach and you can coach out of him. You can work on his technique. I think his feet are a little choppy when receivers break down.
Starting point is 00:15:30 But those are things that, you know, with practice reps and just continuing coaching, you can't coach that physicality and that length, though, that he brings instantly from day one. And he's been to two proven programs where he's played a lot and he's had a lot of snaps throughout the COVID years and the years after that, you know, at Alabama and at LSU. So the pedigree is there. You just that's somebody you might take a gamble on, you know, on day three. And who knows what he might produce? Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? I love Alabama corners so much. I just think that, you know, they come into the league at such an advanced level in terms of understanding how to run match coverage how to do step kick at the line of scrimmage and press you know that's a big Saban thing as well yeah that's why I love Jalen Armour Davis last year out of Alabama I just I like those types of guys those guys who are long physical and come from that Bama scheme so yeah I'm all for it I actually like Tony Brown back in the day too who's on who's on Indy right
Starting point is 00:16:22 once upon a time right once upon a time once upon a time, right? Once upon a time. Once upon a time there. So my next guy, I'm going to go kind of a deep cut here. And I've talked about a lot on social media and talked about him in some articles and stuff. UAB corner, Starling Thomas the fifth. Now this is a guy who I don't believe he got the combine invite. He did shine at the Shrine Bowl, a fairly good week down there at the shrine bowl, a bit of a smaller guy. You know, I think he's like five, nine, like one 80, not, not the, not the biggest type of dude. But when you look at his profile, oh my gosh, I love it.
Starting point is 00:16:53 Four to eight, 40 times, four to eight, four to eight, super explosive. Now he didn't have the greatest agilities, but neither did Isaiah Rogers. It's kind of the same type of thing there um if you look at like i like to do these things where i filter things on pro football focus like their advanced stats and stuff like that okay and and if you would if you do filters on this past season from cornerbacks that are draft eligible and you look at forced incompletion rate so how many targets or how many targets came that corner's way they forced an incompletion on if if you look at force and completion rate and look at completion percentage allowed against and you look at like the top five to ten guys in each of those you'll see devin witherspoon you'll see dj
Starting point is 00:17:33 turner you'll see uh you know all these top to your corners and then you see starling thomas up there starling thomas what in the world are you doing here yeah yeah i think he allowed a reception on 37 percent of his targets last season uh only i think he had like a 29 percent forced incompletion rate so 29 percent of the targets that came his way he forced an incomplete pass now he was tested down the field a lot too like a lot of these were getting targeted deep down the field and he made plays on the ball and he broke up a lot of passes like Starling Thomas, the fifth. And oh, and another thing to go to his profile, special teams background punt returner last year for the team played some gunner as well. So I think when you're looking at him and you're looking at like an Isaiah Rogers type in that round six to seven range, like this is the type of guy you target. A guy who is hyper athletic, hyper fast, had a good offseason at that Shrine Bowl, and had some amazing stats to back it up there at college.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Like, he got better every year. First team all-conference this year as well. Like, Starling Thomas is a guy where, you know, late day three, again, I'm pounding the table to get that kind of profile. Yeah, man. I saw you first mention him, and when I instantly, you know, the 40 times always grab my attention, let's be honest. You know, I saw 4-2-8 in the headline, and I was like, holy, let me click this.
Starting point is 00:18:47 That's instantly what I thought. So it made me curious about him, and he's really smooth, man. He's a smooth cornerback for – I wasn't expecting to see that. He was a pleasant surprise. It's one of those guys, and I'm sure you've done this. You go to watch somebody else, and then you just see this other guy over there and you're like why have i not been paying attention to him why have i heard about him you know it was uh i tell destin about it all the time i throw it in his face when he was watching jelani woods after he was drafted by the colts and then i went
Starting point is 00:19:19 and i was watching don tavian wicks i'm, who the heck is this guy? He was destroying people. And so I asked the beat writer that we had on about Dontavion Wicks and fast forward a year later. Now that's Destin's favorite receiver, by the way. So I never let him forget. But Starlin Thomas was one of those guys. You watch him, and he's at a smaller school, but he's so sound technically and fundamentally,
Starting point is 00:19:45 and he's a a smaller school, but he's so sound technically and fundamentally, and he's a freak almost athletically, you know, so you want to give that guy a shot, especially just because he's not the ideal size to go early. But if he was at a bigger program, he would have a different set of eyes on him. He'd be talked about entirely different. He'd be amongst these groups of guys that they're talking about on early day too, because I think he has that type of potential. It's just the exposure and the level of competition is a concern. But I think he has the opportunity to make this to legit make this team and challenge for playing time down the road. Of course, I think he'll earn his bones on special teams.
Starting point is 00:20:18 And, you know, if you just hang around long enough, opportunity presents itself i mean remember baltimore game two years ago when the coach ran through the whole secondary and had almost a place kicker out there at safety you know so just hang around man just hang around find a role uh just go from year to year and eventually you'll get your shot and i think he's one of those guys that can end up sticking long term yeah last thing i'll say about him is you know uh he he was up against Flowers a lot at the Shrine Bowl, which that's a first-round wide receiver that you're going against. In those matchups right there, you know for a fact that it's heavily skewed towards wide receivers, and he was out there still competing. I know, it sucks, but he was out there competing.
Starting point is 00:21:00 I hate what I was, man. It's so tough for those cornerbacks, I feel for them. Yeah, and the last thing I'll say about him, too, is it sucks that we weren't able to have Hag on here because Hag was telling me the other day, he's like, he's known that kid since he was in, like, ninth grade. Like, he trained that kid back in the day. Really? Yeah, so Hag knows him from quite a bit back.
Starting point is 00:21:16 The Colts are interested. He has the top 30 visit with the Colts, I think. So that's what we'll say about Starling Thomas. I love him. I hope the Colts love him as much as they're kind of showing, and we'll throw in one more corner here, Shad, and you kind of mentioned him before we recorded here. Now, if we're talking size,
Starting point is 00:21:32 this is the weirdest size profile I've ever seen from a corner. We're talking a 6'1 guy who's 166 pounds, right? Isn't he like 6'1"? He's 6'1", 166, yep. 6'1", 166 pounds right isn't he like 6'1 he's 6'1 166 yep 6'1 166 he spent his whole career at a power five conference like they couldn't get him above 166 that's that's crazy and his physical profile man i mean he's athletically test well he ran a 435 and a5 had a 1-4-8 split 10-11 on a broad jump his vert was around 38 you know in a ball products he has the best ball production in college football you know six six pick sixes uh five interceptions as a freshman you know he was all freshman he's just ridiculous
Starting point is 00:22:22 when it comes to his ball production but he's so small man like that's just ridiculous when it comes to his ball production, but he's so small, man. Like that's what my, when it goes with my strength, my strengths and weaknesses, I got them listed. My first weaknesses is like, he's just really small. He's really small, but he plays with great instinct, anticipation. They use them as a blitzer. He's really good closing and makeup speed. I think he's best when he's off coverage, But he's shown the best ability so far out of the guys I watch. I mean, besides the Christian Gonzalez and Devin Witherspoon, just the mirror and match guys. Like, if you watch him, he's really smooth when he's flipping his hips.
Starting point is 00:22:58 The technique is there. I love the footwork. But I just don't know if the Col coach will ever take anybody that's under 170 pounds like at cornerback like that is insane that will probably make bradley toss and turn at night if he did that yeah by the way guys we're talking about emmanuel forbes here from mississippi state oh we didn't say his name i realized i didn't say his name i was more joking about his size and i didn't say his name emmanuel forbes yeah no if you guys are looking at like draft sites and stuff and you're like this has to be a misprint like there's no way a guy's 166
Starting point is 00:23:28 pounds at 6'1 yeah no he's like if you watch him he looks 100 like he does his waist is like that big like and he wears the cutoff jersey so you can see it too like he shows it off like that he's thinner than the rest of us yeah he he's a fascinating prospect because like the ball production and the movement ability and he actually comes up and tries to hit like he does yeah he throws his body around it's just when it comes down to the nitty-gritty he does get bullied a little bit because he's he's a paperweight like he really is man i can see jump contested pad because i have some contested balls with bigger receivers it's gonna be just probably a nightmare for him if he can't if he can't bother him with his lint then he's gonna
Starting point is 00:24:15 be obsolete and that's in those type of situations yeah yeah i i know today's nfl is a little bit different about how we it's more important for how guys move and how quick they are and how they can get into those passing lanes but man he is so tiny yeah there's a physical element still involved here and i know like for instance like last year with the colts we all thought brandon face on was a better run defender than isaiah rogers because of size or rogers was a much better run defender than face on last year like easily but again rogers is still like 180 exactly like just the thing azale rogers is 15 pounds on him like that is crazy yeah kenny's like 190 like like these are little corners that the colts have and they're like 180 190 i know when you get in the nfl you could you could probably put on a good 10 pounds or so of muscle and good weight, but that's tiny.
Starting point is 00:25:08 That is so tiny. Mike Hilton is 183. There we go. You know what? Maybe he can get close to that. I don't know. But I love Emmanuel Forbes on film. I love what he can do as a player.
Starting point is 00:25:18 I don't see the Colts being interested in him, but I'm interested. I like him. Just weight alone. Yeah. Like Clark Phillips might be the smallest cornerback in the draft. I think he's like 5'8". He's still 184. It's ridiculous, man. It's ridiculous how much of an outlier Emael Forbes is. I've literally never saw a cornerback with that profile since i've been watching football yeah well you know what this whole draft is about the tiny outliers you know if you want a wide receiver you got to get like a josh downs or or uh nathaniel dell from houston
Starting point is 00:25:56 who are like the tiniest wide receivers i've ever seen we're gonna we're gonna have a top two pick at quarterback who's 170 pounds as well we're gonna have wide receivers and corners going super like this is a tiny tiny class this is what happens when seven on seven football becomes so big everyone's tiny this is you're right about that i didn't even think about that correlation but that's that that makes a lot of sense we're look we're we're for the senior bowl clips that's all we're playing for we're not actually trying to be nathaniel has did it he broke the senior bowl this this year on twitter for sure it's always the tiny guys man all right guys i think that's all we have for today uh we'll we'll be back with you guys tomorrow to talk probably more quarterback that's all we really talk about on this show but
Starting point is 00:26:41 yeah but we'll get in some corner stuff we'll'll get in some wide receiver stuff, some offensive line. We have a whole month still to go until the draft. So we still have a lot more positions to cover than just quarterback and today corner. So make sure you guys are following at LockedOnColts, at JakeArthurNFL, at ZachKicks2, and at ShadMcGinnis all on Twitter. Also subscribe to LockedOnColts podcast on YouTube or wherever you listen to your podcasts.
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