Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - Indianapolis Colts On a Similar Path to Indiana Pacers?

Starting point is 00:00:00 The Indianapolis Colts are a franchise with plenty to work on this next offseason, and they could take a lesson from their brothers across town in the Indiana Pacers. We're actually going to dive into the comparisons between these two teams and break it all down here on Locked on Colts. Let's get to it. You are Locked on Colts, your daily Indianapolis Colts podcast, part of the Locked On Podcast Network. Your team every day.

Starting point is 00:00:48 Thank you all for tuning in and making us your first listen of the day. This is your daily podcast covering your Indianapolis Colts, part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. This is Zach Hicks of HorseshoeHuddle.com, and joining me is our Pacers counterpart, Tony East. He covers the team for us over at Locked On as host of the Locked On Pacers podcast. And I know as I've kind of become a Pacers fan this season, I've been going to guys like Tony like all season. So Tony, I think it's our first time talking, but man, it's been a blast over there covering the Pacers, huh? Yeah, what a stunner. I mean, I thought they would be

Starting point is 00:01:19 one of the worst five, six teams in the NBA. And here we are, December 8th. They are in fifth in the East, over 500 still somehow. It has not been the season anyone expected. So it's their Jacoby Brissett year, if I can try to pretend like I know anything about the Colts. How about that? Well, hopefully they can kind of continue, you know, their hot play towards the whole season, you know, where the Jacoby Brissett year kind of really fluttered there down the stretch.

Starting point is 00:01:47 Hopefully they can keep running this into the playoffs. But today, guys, we're going to compare these two teams, the Indianapolis Colts and the Indiana Pacers, as you know, they're kind of heading in very different directions. We'll find out what the Colts could learn from the Pacers, as well as have some fun and talk about, you know, which players we'd actually take. I know Tony's going to have an easier decision than I will when it comes to that kind of stuff there. But before we get to the really fun stuff, we're going to start with kind of, I'm going to try to paint a picture for you guys. You know, 2020, all of you Indiana fans, you guys Indianapolis fans, stuff like that, watching your two teams and the Indiana Pacers and the Indianapolis Colts are basically in the exact same spot. You have two teams that are continually running it back, just hoping for different results.

Starting point is 00:02:30 You know, the Colts just lost Phillip Rivers. They made the big trade for Carson Wentz. They're going to keep going that retread quarterback route. The Indiana Pacers are running it back with Malcolm Brogdon, Sabonis, Miles Turner. Like they're just kind of going the same exact thing over and over. And what the Pacers did very different than the Colts is when it wasn't working in that 2020 season, they finally decided to blow it up, and they went young. They traded everyone at the deadline.

Starting point is 00:02:58 Sabonis at the deadline. Brogdon after the season. Karis LeVert at the deadline. And they went young. Where the Indianapolis Colts just kind of kept going that same path. After the year, Carson WentzVert at the deadline, and they went young, where the Indianapolis Colts just kind of kept going that same path. After the year, Carson Wentz, they move on from him. What do they do? They go right back to retread and go to Matt Ryan. And for you guys who are here because you're Indiana Pacers fans or you're fans of both these teams, the Colts are what the Pacers

Starting point is 00:03:19 could be if they did not go young. If they just kept that path they were going, they could be if they did not go young if they just kept that path they were going they could be having Jeff Saturday as their head coach right now so I mean they could go you know all these different ways but Tony man like as someone who was watching that Pacers team over and over just kind of again it's not like the Colts were exactly where it's different retreads but just kind of running it back over and over again like what was the reaction for me when they finally decided okay we're going to tear this down and we're going to start, you know, young. Yeah. The big difference in the processes of the teams to me is, you know, I've kind of talked about this before. We're like, you know, Ballard Reich overlap with the, with you start with the

Starting point is 00:03:58 Pacers, like the Pacers differences when they tried the same group a lot, they changed coaches twice. And then they were like, okay, we aren't good. And they realized that it was time. And I think that is a key part of what's made their rebuild really successful is they nailed the timing, right? They got off the train at the right time where, yes, they were bad last year. They were terrible last year, but they had good players that just didn't fit together, which ironically sounds a lot like the Colts this year, who have, I don't know everything about football, but have a lot of talented, high-paid players

Starting point is 00:04:29 who just do not happen to be winning games. The Pacers realized, okay, we can very easily get off this train right now, retool, and have what we consider to be a better team for our next era because we've realized through several coaches that it is the roster that is the problem, and they got off at the right time whereas the Colts to me again I don't obviously follow football as much as basketball but you know they've thought that their talent was enough that they could win it with Wentz or win it with Ryan or who Rivers got them to the playoffs but whoever they have at quarterback and you know there's been other positional changes along the way

Starting point is 00:05:02 obviously those are the biggest guys but that hasn't been enough for them. And so at some point they have to either get the guy that they think is the thing. And the Pacers certainly tried to do that, right? They were in on Gordon Hayward. They thought they were going to get them. They didn't, but, but they didn't. And they realized they had to get off the train. So for the Colts, it's either, can they get a guy who isn't a retread or do they figure out when's the right time to bail on this project? Right, exactly. And, you know, again, it's really hard comparing football to basketball, but I think, you know, guys like Sabonis and Brogdon, for instance, I don't think I really compare them to players on the Colts, but I compare them more to Chris Ballard and Frank Reich, where we can all admit they're pretty good at what they do. You know, like Sabonis is a really, really good big

Starting point is 00:05:43 man, a really, really good big man, but it just wasn't working you know it just wasn't working and it wasn't going to work no matter how many different things they tried where Chris Ballard or Frank Reich might be really good coach or a really good GM but for whatever reason it's just not working you know so eventually it comes that time where you gotta salvage what you can and move on and honestly again if you're looking at these teams they kind of again are very very even parallels where you know the Andrew Luck retirement the surprise retirement is similar to oh the Pacers lost Paul George you know again the Pacers got something for him at least where the Colts got nothing from Andrew but Paul George you know they're superstar their face of their franchise basically left one to leave, you know,

Starting point is 00:06:26 wanted out and honestly heard his trade value. They were lucky to get someone as good as bonus because the way that he went about that. So again, these two teams have been very similar for years, but now on one side, you have a team that had very little hype was supposed to be tanking, so to speak with all their young players, but they're overachieving and they're just a blast to watch. And then on the other side, you got this Colts team where they tried to push all their chips

Starting point is 00:06:50 in for one last, hopefully one last time, and they're completely underachieving. And I'm sure it's just much more fun on your end of things here than it is here on Locked Up Colts. It is. It has been really fun. And I think to put another parallel with the Colts, like last year, changing to Rick Carlisle,

Starting point is 00:07:09 Rick Carlisle is one of the best coaches in the NBA, right? Like great at his job, but it's, they still were bad because they had a lot of players from their old kind of regime or style where like, it's not like coaches aren't involved in personnel decisions. Right.

Starting point is 00:07:21 So even with the Colts pivoting to Saturday and probably potentially, I guess I don't know this well enough, another coach, I'll let you speak to the likelihood of that at some point in the future. I don't know what the right word is and I don't want to say the wrong thing, but if they do that, you would still expect if Ballard is the GM that there will be another year of transition, right? Because they have to get on the same page and get the same guys. It's not like they can just send away everybody right away. So, you know, to get everything in line and on the right track will still take some time. But once the Pacers got through that, like, oh, this is awful. They lost. They had the worst event in the NBA for like four months last year and lost 10

Starting point is 00:07:59 games in a row to close their season. Like they were bad right that that is almost required in the nba to some extent less so in the nfl but still important right that's why everybody i follow who covers the colts keeps tweeting about draft positioning right like it certainly matters in both sports so i think that there will be depending on how the colts leadership structure changes whether it's coach gm or both still a little bit of time to get everybody on the right page to be back to being what the pacers are now which is the fun team that everyone's like okay finally we get the direction this makes sense they're heading in a way that even if the pacers start losing like crazy everybody would understand like okay they had 25 games where the blueprint

Starting point is 00:08:38 for them being good is there for a young team like it doesn't take a genius to understand how that can be good when those players get older and better and they add pieces, right? Like the Colts are probably a season away from that. I think again, I don't, I'm not as close to the dial than as you are, but that,

Starting point is 00:08:52 that necessary, like ugly, ugly middle step of like getting leadership on the same page as the roster has to happen to. Absolutely. And we're going to talk more about that here in our next segment, but hopefully again, the Colts can get to that fun young team away from kind of where they are right now, which is.

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Starting point is 00:10:52 Like you said, it was just that hard transition. But honestly, there were a lot of fans that were loving that, that loved it. You know, because again, when you're treading, like we say this all the time on this podcast, when you're treading water, all you can really do is drown, you know, and it's just how long is it taking to get there? I like that phrasing. Yes. Yeah. What were you saying?

Starting point is 00:11:15 It's weird because we just both had the same pauses and talk frequency. That is good podcasting interruptions right there. It's weird because they were awful and everyone was like, oh, finally, you know, because when you are treading water for forever, it's like, just figure it out, like get the direction figured out. And then Kevin Pritchard, their president of basketball operations even said in his pressure this summer, like we had to change our thinking and like go with a more long term approach that isn't this.

Starting point is 00:11:43 I don't, he didn't say year to year. He said, you know, they were thinking in one or two year increments, right? Trying to get up to the level of success they wanted in that amount of time. That's hard. That's really hard to do in sports because it's hard to give up not a lot of stuff, but still get a lot of gain short term and then be able to do it again and again and again without sabotaging your entire team at some point. So that's really tricky.

Starting point is 00:12:04 That'd be like giving up a second round pick for a quarterback every year. Hey, look at that. I'm doing a Colts comparison. Anyway, though, that was a big adjustment for them. So even when they traded, you know, LaVert, Sabonis, Torrey Craig, all these dudes at the same time, everyone kind of was like, okay, finally. And I think the other weight of it from a fandom perspective, like even if the Pacers stink the rest of the season,

Starting point is 00:12:24 I think fans just having no expectations makes, I think seasons more enjoyable for fans and there hasn't been an enjoyable Pacers year since that Oladipo's first year here in 2017. They've been, don't get me wrong. Basketball is awesome. Like the games are really fun. They made the playoffs three times. Like it has not been bad, but when you have expectations, then you don't meet them because of injuries or trades or whatever that's way less fun as a fan versus you know having no expectations and then good or bad it's just like yeah i like the sport like that's why you like the thing so you know

Starting point is 00:12:54 even like the the first year after luck like i think that people had more fun watching the colts that year and then it becomes more fun again because you it's like you get attached to the players you want to see them succeed it them succeed. It's all sorts of stuff that happens along the way that the Pacers figured out at the right time. And even though they stunk last year, yes, I think that the sense of relief made the fandom experience more fun for a lot of people. Right, right. I always say that I think, yes, the Andrew Luck retirement hurt the Colts a lot. But what hurt this front office and hurt this coaching staff was the success of that philip river season because they thought they could just keep getting band-aids and get the same result or maybe a little bit further and that's

Starting point is 00:13:34 what really hurt you know this entire thing what kind of caused this to be a bad build uh but when you're looking at you know everyone says i want like I want you to suck because I want you, I want my teens tanking. No, they don't. You know, everyone's like, yeah, and they don't want it. And you and I know from, from writing about this stuff, when the teams are bad, nobody wants to read your stuff. Maybe people will hate listen to your podcast, but nobody wants to read your stuff when these teams are bad.

Starting point is 00:13:59 So how do you get it? Like the Pacers, because even though last year they were terrible, I still felt like people were watching because they wanted to see, oh, Halliburton oh we want to see him out there and these other young guys like how how did these teams kind of manage that you know oh we're sucking like you guys want but we still want you to come watch us you know they were miserable in attendance and interest and tell the trades so I think that some of that was just the newness of it if i'm being totally honest like oh it's not the same old pacers you know it's like the for our from our angle of course like you know new stories new players to write about new stuff to

Starting point is 00:14:36 dig into but from a fan perspective it's like oh i don't know anything about tyrese halberton and jalen smith and you know i can get about the Cavaliers draft pick and all this stuff that's coming in the door that I could not get excited about before, especially when, to equate it to luck a little bit, I think the Pacers, Phillip River season, was when they had all these injuries in 2019-20 and then still were a good team. They had home court, I say in air quotes,

Starting point is 00:15:01 because it was played in the bubble, but in the playoffs that year. So they thought, oh, if we were healthy, we would have been awesome. But that's not true. But it made them elongate the inevitable. And when you elongate the inevitable, fans become apathetic and tune out. And so finally, when something new happens, everybody tunes in, even if things are bad. So I think a lot of it was just like, OK, this is new. This is not the same thing that got swept badly by the Miami Heat that won 34 games the following year and didn't even get out of the playoff tournament.

Starting point is 00:15:31 You know, all the all the horrible things about fandom being stuck in the middle were finally gone. And I think that drove up a lot of interest, even when they, you know, they lost 10 in a row. Like, that's awful in the NBA. And it still didn't totally take the interest of the team. Yeah. Yeah yeah for sure and you know I'm not saying the Colts have an as easy as a path as a patient because again the Pacers were able to get Tyrese Halliburton that changes everything because Tyrese Halliburton even if you don't really follow basketball time like I was not really following the NBA too much at that point but when I saw that they got Tyrese Halliburton I even looked him up just for a second I was like

Starting point is 00:16:03 oh man like this is a legit young player that they could build around the Colts really don't have that and they don't have that at the key position that is like a point guard again in basketball there's only five players out there at once so it's a lot easier to have your highly marketable players but the Colts kind of need that at quarterback you know that's how you'll get the interest so this kind of just goes to that point where they need to draft a quarterback with this high pick this year because that's how you're going to get the interest in maybe a bad season next year is it doesn't matter who it is you'll get some people watching just because oh I want to see what Anthony Richardson or Will Levis or

Starting point is 00:16:39 CJ Stroud I want to see what those guys look like just like how I'm sure the the excitement was for for Benedict with third, you know, young high pick that they haven't had in what this is the first Pacers lottery pick. And it wasn't like a super long time. They went without like a lottery. They've had lottery picks,

Starting point is 00:16:54 but not top 10 picks. It's the first top 10 picks since the eighties. Sorry. Okay. sorry okay okay we're gonna say that again we cut up there yeah you can jump into that again yeah i will just say that again well they have had lottery picks but they haven't had a top 10 pick like lower than exactly 10 since the 80s that's what it was i don't know where the quarterbacks will go in this draft. I'm embarrassed that I don't know any of the people who just said, I think the Stroud guys at Ohio State, right? Is that correct? Okay. I got one. Big 10, that doesn't count. It's local-ish. But yeah, you do need that. And especially so when it's quarterback go higher, right? People

Starting point is 00:17:39 trade up for Trey Lance. Like, I've never heard of that guy. And then all of a sudden, a bunch of stuff gets traded for him. And that's on me for not knowing football, but still like people trade a lot for quarterbacks. I know that. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. You just got to get those young,

Starting point is 00:17:52 exciting players with those high value picks. And that's how you can still get interest in. Again, I'm not going to call 2023 a potential lost season for the Colts, but I think the expectations for next season for the Colts are going to be similar to what they were for the Pacers this year. Like, they're going to be low. Can I actually give you a recalibration, though?

Starting point is 00:18:11 Like, if this season is so bad that it forces them to get off the train, like I said earlier, that's a great season, even if it is, like, horrible in terms of record, right? You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Yeah, no. I mean, it would have been better than them winning seven or eight this year. If they won seven or eight of their 16th, then they could say, Oh, the Matt Ryan thing just didn't work. We could go get, you know,

Starting point is 00:18:31 somebody else and, and it'll turn it around. Just like they did with Carson Wentz last year, Carson Wentz got them nine. And they were like, Oh, we could just get Matt Ryan and it'll be fine. But no, they needed a season like this where they're going to win like four, maybe five. Like it, like they're gonna win like four maybe five like it like they're gonna be like a top six or seven pick they needed this like it is and that's what the Pacers needed last year what kind of helped get them on this right path that they're on right

Starting point is 00:18:55 now yeah they really whimpered and then I think everybody realized like all right we got that we got the best coach we could we got the team we. We got the wing defender, Torrey Craig. We got all the stuff we always thought we needed. We're still not any good like that. That was a big kick in the teeth for the team. And I think finally, too, like I don't know how to say this. Like there was a lot of – you know, I think there was coverage of the Colts that suggested like they have the talent. And that's true, but it lasted longer than the Pacers did.

Starting point is 00:19:22 And I don't mean that to say anyone who covers either team is wrong, but I think that that like with the Pacers, people were off of their, like off of being interested in their talent faster than they were with the Colts. I don't know why that is, but that's just how it happened to be, which also maybe prolonged things a little bit. Now we're, I don't want to say media like influences team decisions, but you get it. You're in this seat as well.

Starting point is 00:19:44 Like it just, the expect, when the expectations change, things change, the tone changes, all that. I don't want to say media influences team decisions, but you get it. You're in this seat as well. When the expectations change, things change. The tone changes, all that. And I think the Colts are about to reach that point. But again, I am an outsider seat. Neither of the shirts behind me are Colts shirts for a reason. We'll have to send you some Colts shirts, and we'll get that a little bit. I need to put them up. I feel embarrassed.

Starting point is 00:20:02 I have a lot of them. Oh, you do? Okay, yeah, we definitely got to get you some Colts stuff. So we'll get that a little bit cheaper. I need to put them up. I feel embarrassed. I have a lot of them. Oh, you do? Okay, yeah, we definitely got to get you some Colts stuff. So we will, for sure. But, guys, coming up, we're going to talk about which players we would steal from the other's team, just to add some fun, add some excitement to the team's recovery. We're going to have a little bit of fun with this bi-week coverage here.

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Starting point is 00:21:48 league if he came over but we gotta go with Tyrese Halliburton here for Indy right uh I think so I was thinking about the Pacers players and who would be good at football at various things uh Isaiah Jackson stands out to me he is 6''11 and can jump over a house. Not actually, but you get the picture I'm painting. And he's got a great wide receiver build. He's a little skinny, but he's really fast for someone of his height. He's not megatron. He doesn't have the hands, but he looks like him in terms of his stature.

Starting point is 00:22:21 I think he'd be a good receiver. Halliburton's a good one because he reads patterns of sports really well. So, like, I think he'd see a defense and know what to do, even though I don't know. I've never seen him throw anything besides a basketball. Obviously, this is all hypothetical. Those are the two that's me. I think Goga Matadze could be a good, like, lineman.

Starting point is 00:22:39 He's just big. Yeah, he is big. Which is always important here. Same with Daniel Tice uh but outside of those guys i couldn't think of anyone who i thought oh they'd be awesome or they could be awesome at this random thing and obviously it's all hypothetically why do you hear about it backwards so much always hear about football players played basketball in college but never basketball players who played football well okay okay t.j mccon McConnell has that kind of mindset that I just like you know a football coach would

Starting point is 00:23:06 gush over him like they like look this kid he might be my fifth receiver but expect him to get a couple snaps out there we love his energy he has got that grit he's feisty you know he just seems like a really great special teamer so obviously I want to have Halliburton because you know I need a quarterback but look T. mcconnell could play gunner alongside ashton jewel and i think i think he could do that oh yeah dude he would kill it as a special teamer there's been a couple pacers players who love soccer and kick it around maybe they could kick i don't know but once you think t.s mclaughlin he's been good right he's he's recovered from their bad yeah now if blankenship were still here then we would get you know some way to come kick that That'd be great. But I think with McLaughlin,

Starting point is 00:23:45 they're good, but let's go to the other side. Now let's go to the Pacers. Who should the Pacers take from this Colts team? Well, this isn't, this isn't challenging. Although I did forget about this until I was kindly reminded by someone I'm

Starting point is 00:23:56 speaking to right now. There is one of the players who did the crossover thing. I remember the Antonio Gates, as we'll call it, who played basketball in college and is now in the NFL and Mo Alleyey-Cox, who was not just on a college basketball team, was on a pretty successful team and was good. He played for VCU. You know this already.

Starting point is 00:24:14 But VCU for four years. Started for three of them. Good. In those years, his stats were equally impressive. Ten points per game as a junior like that seems like a guy who could show up to training camp and be decent oh yeah oh yeah no i i watched moelle cox so much in college and i knew about i knew about moelle cox at vcu before i knew about him as the tight end for the colts like that was my guy growing up watching college basketball. I used to play as VCU on all the old college basketball games and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:24:48 Morley Cox was literally Kenneth Farid in college. Like he was just an animal, you know, super high energy, couldn't really shoot or anything like that, but he would kind of, you know, like an undersized big guy who would get a ton of rebounds and would get a lot of steals and blocks. So yeah, he's the obvious choice here, but we are ignoring the fun choice. Quentin Nelson, man, we got to get Quentin Nelson on the basketball court. Have you seen, Tony, have you seen the highlights that have gone around on Twitter of him playing high school basketball? I have not. I did not know such a thing existed. Okay, guys, if you guys are listening to this, send Tony that Twitter thing that was going around of Quentin Nelson drilling behind his back no such a thing existed okay guys if you guys are listening to this send tony that that that twitter

Starting point is 00:25:25 thing uh that that was going around of quentin nelson drilling behind his back and threw it between his legs and stuff like that he was doing like basketball stuff not just being like the huge football player who plays high school basketball because he's enormous no i think he was a point guard for them i think oh wow yeah like he was like the guy who brought the ball up the court and like he dished it out, man. He had some pretty good high school stats, from what I remember. I've always thought about this, though. Like for centers in the NBA, sometimes something they do bad is they set bad screens, right?

Starting point is 00:25:57 They're bad at literally making contact with a defender and setting a screen. Like a lineman would set the best screens ever. They couldn't do anything after they set the screen but they would set sweet screens like what matters more what you do after the screen of this right i think that'd be really interesting and again you know we've all played basketball we've all gone to the gym we played against that football guy who who tries to throw the ball through the floor every time he's dribbling and stuff like that like you know and and they have to like grow yeah throw the shoulder into you and they're like double dribbling and stuff like that like you know and and they have to grow yeah throw the shoulder into you and they're like double dribbling because they just don't know what they're doing i mean look

Starting point is 00:26:29 we got imagine that though with like a 300 pound grover stewart or something you know like that would be like you know the centers are so much smaller now in today's nba imagine a 300 pound dude just a lot of charges coming his way but i think you know i think that could be fun does being named shack guarantee success in basketball because if so i think i think leonard is a pick for me as well right we need uh we the full list of players who have gone to the nba with the name shack and then we need to see what the percentage is of how good they were there was one guy named shaquille harrison for the chicago bulls a couple years ago who ruined that being funny but i still made the joke anyway i'm trying to think about other pacers like even throughout history could have been good in the nfl it's why is that the case

Starting point is 00:27:13 that it is it just because rosters are huge that all the players do basketball in college and then nfl like dennis smith who plays for the horns right now he was thinking about that this dude who just there's a guy in the seahawks who played at oklahoma state last year i can't remember who it was like it happens all the time for some reason yeah it's just i think you know again so many big rosters you can take those project players you know you can take those chances where with the nba what's the biggest roster gets to like 20 at some point oh and yeah 20 in training camp yeah yeah so it's hard to kind of take the you know i'm gonna take some project offensive lineman from, from some college or whatever.

Starting point is 00:27:49 Like this doesn't seem like it would really work very well, you know, because I guess basketball is a lot more finessey too, you know, like football, it's more just brute force, you know, This is, I guess I've never thought about it, but it does seem like the roster size makes it very obvious. I wonder if that will become less of a thing in the future though. Yeah. Just because skills are becoming more important in both sports than just

Starting point is 00:28:09 like toughness. Yeah. Or whatever. Raw, raw thing. Which one's to say. Yeah, for sure,

Starting point is 00:28:16 man, for sure. Well guys, I think that's all we have for this bi-week episode. That was a lot of fun, man. Talking some, some basketball.

Starting point is 00:28:22 I know years ago I did an all Colts basketball team, like just based off of where they played, like in high school or in college or something. But like all the Colts outside of Moelle Cox are like no longer on the team. So like it was like Kari Willis and Malik Hooker, Jacoby Brissett. Jacoby Brissett apparently was a really good basketball player

Starting point is 00:28:40 in high school. Like really good. Yeah. So all guys that they don't have. I'm staring up in the sky thinking of Colts players. Is Pittman, would he be a good basketball player? I know he is. Oh, I bet he would.

Starting point is 00:28:51 I bet he would. So we'll do some research, guys. We'll do some research on some of these guys and what they did in high school and stuff like that. But that's it for us, everyone. We'll be back with you guys next week to talk about the Colts' final four games of the season and look ahead at their next matchup with the Minnesota Vikings.

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