Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - Indianapolis Colts Waive Former All-Pro Linebacker Shaquille Leonard

Starting point is 00:00:00 The Indianapolis Colts shocked the football world by releasing linebacker Shaquille Leonard today. Let's get to it. You are Locked On Colts, your daily Indianapolis Colts podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast your first listen of the day. This is your daily podcast covering your Indianapolis Colts, part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. Today's episode is brought to you by GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account,

Starting point is 00:00:41 and use code LOCKEDONNFL for $20 off your first purchase. That's last-minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. Hello, everyone. I'm Zach Hicks of HorseshoeHuddle.com, your resident film nerd over there at the site. My usual co-host is Jake Arthur. He is our boots on the ground, our daily beat guy over at HorseshoeHuddle.com as well. And, yeah, he's a little busy right now with the Shaquille Leonard stuff, and, that's the topic of our show. So let's just jump right into it, guys. We're going to talk all about our instant reaction to former star linebacker Shaquille Leonard, former all pro linebacker Shaquille Leonard, being waived by the Colts here in in what late November of the season, he has officially been waived by the Colts. And then we're going to talk about why this move

Starting point is 00:01:24 kind of happened right now. And if it kind of makes sense by the Colts. And then we're going to talk about why this move kind of happened right now and if it kind of makes sense for the Colts going forward. And then at the very end of the show, we're going to talk about what's next for Indy, what kind of money they saved with this move, and where that money could go maybe in free agency or with some of their in-house guys. But just kicking this show off, talking about the instant reaction. I mean, I don't know if you guys are with me, but when I first saw the news drop where I saw Shaquille Leonard's post on Twitter saying goodbye to Indy, I think it was around like two o'clock today, 2 p.m. Eastern time or 1 p.m. Eastern time, whatever it was, I thought he retired.

Starting point is 00:01:55 Like, I did not think in a million years that the Colts would release him midseason. I thought for sure after the year a departure was most likely going to happen. It just made sense. I mean, look, we'll talk about it obviously throughout the show, but it seemed like that breakup was coming after the season with the amount of money he's owed, with how much money the Colts could save and where that money needs to go for the Colts going forward and his lack of playing time on this defense. It made sense that the departure from the team was going to happen at some point. But the Colts seemed to get ahead of it before the offseason. They waived Shaquille Leonard today,

Starting point is 00:02:35 the former All-Pro linebacker. Just looking back on his career in Indy, he was a four-time All-Pro, three-time first-team All-Pro, which is just insane. I mean, what, three of those came in his first three years in the NFL? I think one of those was a second-team All- came in his first three years in the NFL, or I think one of those was a second team All-Pro in his first couple years, but in three of his first four years in the NFL, he was a first team All-Pro defensive rookie of the year in 2018, a three-time Pro Bowler. He was just off to probably the greatest career start that we've ever seen from a linebacker, especially statistically. I mean, statistically, his start to his career is unmatched when it comes to just linebackers in the history of football in terms of tackles, interceptions, forced fumbles, sacks. He was kind of doing it all for the Indianapolis Colts. And then it started to derail after he got that big contract. Now, I'm not saying that it's because he got the big contract that he all of a sudden fell off a cliff.

Starting point is 00:03:20 It's just right when he got his gigantic extension is when the injury started to pile up for Shaquille Leonard. You know, last year in particular, he had two back surgeries, one that was to fix an issue that happened in the first surgery. He also suffered a broken nose in one of the games he played along with a concussion, suffered a concussion this off season as well. So just multiple injuries, all really piling up a lot of concussions, a lot of back surgeries, a lot of nerve issues in his back. And, and, you know, you kind of see it on the field this year that he just was not moving the same way that he used to. And, you know, when we talk about what Shaquille Leonard is or what Shaquille Leonard was for this Colts team too, it's just, he was just a

Starting point is 00:04:00 playmaker. He was a guy who would use speed, use his athleticism, use his just natural tenacity and his instincts on the field to make plays. You know, if it came down to the end of a game and the Colts needed a play to be made, Shaquille Leonard was making that play, whether he was punching the ball out from a running back, whether he was getting a big sack, whether he was getting an interception in the clutch, Shaquille Leonard was making those big plays. He was truly an electric player for the Indianapolis Colts in those first four seasons. And it's just unfortunate that it's ending the way it is. You know, I don't think there's any ill feelings on either side here.

Starting point is 00:04:35 I mean, obviously, again, Shaquille Leonard was upset about his playing time. And there were some issues, obviously, regarding that with the coaching staff and with Leonard. But I think this is something where both sides, the Colts and Leonard, both knew after the season that this beautiful marriage that they once had was coming to an end after the year. And it mutually benefits both sides to kind of get it done now. Just rip that Band-Aid off as soon as possible. Let him get a shot at picking up somewhere else,

Starting point is 00:05:04 which we'll talk about in segment two a little bit more but you know it's just unfortunate the way it all came down you know we've talked about Shaquille Leonard quite a bit on this show who get a lot of questions in post-game shows and stuff like that being like why is Leonard not playing more why is he not out there on on third downs and I tried to be as respectful and thorough in my analysis of Shaquille Leonard up to this point throughout the season. And the simple fact of the matter is he's just not what he once was. And the thing is, with the way that he played in the past, like we have to if we're really looking back at Shaquille Leonard, he was not an assignment sound football player. He was a bit of a freelancer that would just overwhelm teams with that speed, athleticism, and his beautiful instincts in that spot drop zone in Matt Eberfluss' scheme.

Starting point is 00:05:52 Now you're getting him into a scheme where you need to be assignment sound football. You need to be in that spot that the defense needs you. You need to be able to match routes that are coming your way and take those routes away. And that doesn't always lead to a ton of turnovers and a lot of, you know, big things happening for you. So you have a very different defense that doesn't really fit what he does. And you have the nerve damage really taking away some of his athleticism and his fluidity. I mean, he's a very stiff football player right now. He's not very explosive and he can't take on blocks and shed blocks either.

Starting point is 00:06:23 I mean, he never really could do that, but he really can't do that now. So when you take all that and you put him in a scheme that doesn't really fit what he can do, you just have a very replaceable player on your defense. I mean, we had so many questions being like, you know, why is Shaquille Leonard not playing more? It's like, because the truth of the matter is, I mean, he's at best the third best linebacker on this team.

Starting point is 00:06:46 You know, EJ Speed and Zyra Franklin are clearly ahead of him. And then you can even make the argument, I think, that Saguna Luby was ahead of him when Saguna Luby played that one game. Like, I saw more from a Luby in that one game, especially in coverage, than what we saw from Shaquille Leonard throughout the season. And it's just the unfortunate truth of it. I mean, look, if he played last year under Gus Bradley, he would have been starting where Zyra Franklin is starting right now, but he missed pretty much all of last year. Zyra Franklin became that guy and Zyra Franklin's not giving up that role. He's one of the best linebackers in the AFC. Then you go into this year, EJ Speed is just so much more explosive and fluid, there's no reason to give that job to Shaquille Leonard.

Starting point is 00:07:25 So the hard truth of the matter with what Shaquille Leonard is right now is he's a freelancing, plotting linebacker that struggles to take on blocks and is not very assignment sound and pass coverage. I mean, unless the ball's being thrown right at him, I just don't know what you're really getting from Shaquille Leonard. So if we're going to be as stone cold to the truth as possible right now when it comes to Leonard, I think there's a place where he could fit somewhere in the NFL. And we'll talk about that in segment two. It's just that place is not here in Indy. And it's really unfortunate. It's really unfortunate because again, early in his career, Shaquille Leonard, such an electric player, such an electric

Starting point is 00:08:08 game-changing player that would take the ball away from offenses in a league that is so built around offenses being on schedule and being explosive. He was that on defense. He was someone who could just disrupt all of that. No matter what he's doing out there, he could disrupt it, but he's not that guy anymore. or at least he wasn't that guy here in India. I really, really hope he can go somewhere else and get back to being the maniac. I really hope he can. But injuries suck, man. And he's just not that guy here in India.

Starting point is 00:08:36 So it sucks that it happened. It really sucks. Again, the fall from grace from what he was to what he is now, at least in my opinion, is pretty, pretty crazy. But it happens, man. It happens with injuries. It happens in this league. And I at least applaud the Colts for waiving him now and giving him a chance to pick up somewhere else before the season's over.

Starting point is 00:09:08 So he can get a little bit of an audition and not just sit on the inactive list the rest of the year and go into free agency with a stock super low. Like they're at least giving him a chance to get out there and maybe start for a contender down the stretch and maybe let him put his best foot forward before free agency or before he gets cut after the season by some other teams. So hopefully it all works out for him. Hopefully it all works out for the Colts, but that's my instant reaction to this cut. I mean, the timing of it surprised me. The overall move itself didn't. It seemed like it was heading this way regardless. But yeah, Shaquille Leonard no longer with the Indianapolis Colts. I'm as shocked as you guys are that it happened now, but it was bound to happen at some point going forward. And I respect the Colts for just getting that bandaid ripped off as soon as possible. But coming up, we're going to talk about, again, why this move happened right now,

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Starting point is 00:13:22 Shaquille Leonard, again, released by the Indianapolis Colts, former All-Pro linebacker, is now on waiver, subject to the whole waiver wire process. Some team could claim him and grab that $6.19 million cap charge for the rest of the season. I don't think it's going to happen. I think he'll just hit free agency, and then he'll be able to pick his spot after that.

Starting point is 00:13:41 But we'll see what happens with that movement here in the next couple days. But let's talk about the whole decision, I guess, that led to, or I guess all the process that led to this decision of Shaquille Leonard being waived by the Indianapolis Colts. Now, from what we've kind of been able to hear from behind the scenes, you know, Shaquille Leonard did say that defensive coordinator Gus Bradley informed him that he would be inactive going forward for the rest of the season. Now this comes after the bye week. So I'm assuming again,

Starting point is 00:14:10 now this part is me assuming this is my speculation here. So I don't want this to be like a report or anything, but my speculation is that Gus Bradley and defensive staff looked closely at the film over the bye week, especially at that Patriots game film and at some of the games before that. And they looked at it and they said, you know what, we need to get our best players on the football field. And that's not going to be Shaquille Leonard. We just are not, we're not happy with his progress at this point in the season. So they did inform him on Monday that he would be inactive going forward for the rest of the season. Now, we already know that Shaquille Leonard has been pretty vocal the past couple weeks about his lack of playing time.

Starting point is 00:14:50 Now, it hasn't really been super combative. It's been fairly introspective and very, I'm not really sure the right word for it, but it's been very, you know, Shaquille Leonard saying, hey, I think I'm back. I think I deserve more playing time. I don't know what more this coaching staff needs me to do to show that I need to be out there more. It wasn't really, it wasn't like, you know, Oh, this coaching staff is stupid or all this coaching staff is wrong. It was more so what more can I do to get on the football field? And just kind of asking the media that question rather than keeping it behind closed doors. Again, I'm not saying it was a horrible decision by him or anything, or I'm not calling him out for it. I'm just saying that that's what happened. So you combine those two factors where Gus Bradley did inform Shaquille

Starting point is 00:15:34 Leonard that he would be inactive the rest of the season going forward. Shaquille Leonard's already had this recent history of wanting to play more and wanting to get on the field. And this comes to my other speculation here that Chris Ballard probably looked at the whole situation and probably thought to himself, look, we're going to move on from Shaq after the season. He's not going to be back because it's not worth that capital. We have an out in his contract. It's time to take that out. And I think Chris Ballard trying to do right by a player that's been really good for the Colts for years, just wanted to get ahead of that offseason move and give Shaquille Leonard a chance to latch on with a different team.

Starting point is 00:16:09 I really think that's what it is. I think it was instead of just keeping Leonard on the inactive list the rest of the season and having him, quote-unquote, I don't want to say quote-unquote, but I just want to say rotting away on the inactive list. You don't want him just rotting away there on the inactive list the rest of the season because then he's not putting his best foot forward going into free agency.

Starting point is 00:16:30 The last time we would see Shaquille Leonard going into free agency would be that terrible Patriots game he just played. You know, that Patriots game where he really, really struggled. I think this is a way for Chris Fowler to put Shaquille Leonard out there to other teams. Another team could claim him.

Starting point is 00:16:44 Another team could sign him another team could sign him after he passes through waivers and just give him a shot to get some more playing time with maybe a contender maybe with a tanking team like whatever like it doesn't matter who the team is that way he can put a better foot forward going into free agency I think this is ultimately Chris Ballard trying to do right by his star player, even though, you know, you get the temporary embarrassment of being released by the team that gave you that gigantic contract. You know, it's unfortunate. It looks bad. It sucks probably for the player to see your name on, you know, being waived and stuff

Starting point is 00:17:19 like that. But I think Leonard is a smart enough guy to where he can look at this as a business decision and say, look, the Colts are doing right by me here. They're letting me get out. I mean, not doing right, I guess, in the grand scheme of things, but doing right by letting me get out there and get on with another team. So, you know, it sucks. And if the whole situation sucks, I can't really say much more outside of that. But I do like that they're giving him that chance to get out there with another team because his future is not in Indianapolis, but he still could have a future with another team. So if we're looking at this from Shaquille Leonard's perspective, you know, he really needs to go to a team that is still doing a lot of spot drop type stuff, I guess, which isn't a lot of teams.

Starting point is 00:17:58 Like maybe he could pick back up with Matt Eberflus in Chicago. I know they already have a couple linebackers that they have highly paid there right now, but if he could get back with like a Matt Eberflus style of defense to where he can play more of that creeper type role, more of a, you know, just a flat defender or short zone defender on third downs and do a lot of blitzing. And then on, on rundowns, be the guy who's going to be kept clean and not have to take on double teams or take on blockers in the hole, then I could see a role that works for him for another defense. It's just he really can't go to another defense that's similar to what the Colts are doing or similar to what teams like the Niners, the Jets are doing or something where they're just asking so much out of their linebackers in terms of assignment sound football. That's just not what Shaquille

Starting point is 00:18:43 Leonard can do. He needs to be untethered basically as a linebacker. Now, does he have the athleticism to still do that? Probably not. But again, I'm not going to rule him out. This is a guy who's overcome a lot of adversity in his life, who's worked through a lot of things. So I'm not going to completely rule out Shaquille Leonard.'s just if he's gonna find his way back to being the maniac that he once was he needs to find the right defense for him hopefully he goes out there with that in mind if he does hit actual free agency after waivers hopefully he looks for the right defense that lets him just be that kind of lurker that creeper that freelancer that he once was with Matt Eberflus and he can maybe find some of that early magic again.

Starting point is 00:19:26 But again, I like that the Colts let him go now just so he could test the waters and get a good foot going forward into free agency next year. But we'll see what happens with Shaquille Leonard. Hopefully it's a good thing for him. But, you know, again, it stinks. This whole situation sucks. A player that was once beloved and once so great here in

Starting point is 00:19:45 Indy is now a free agent or now on waivers halfway through the season or a little over halfway through the season. So yeah, that's all I really have to say on that. Coming up, guys, we're going to talk about what's next for this Indianapolis Colts team, talk more about this Colts defense without Shaquille Leonard, and talk about which players need to step up in Shaquille Leonard's absence going forward. But first, guys, score early this NFL season with FanDuel, America's number one sportsbook. Right now, new customers get $150 back in bonus bets with any winning a $5 Moneyline bet. That's 150 bucks. If your team wins, if you've been thinking about joining FanDuel,

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Starting point is 00:21:29 we're going to talk about some of the money that the Colts saved with this deal. Now, by releasing Shaquille Leonard, the Colts saved $55 million over the next three seasons, with only $12 million in dead cap hit. I think it's an $8 million dead cap charge for next year and then a $4 million dead cap charge for 2025. Again, this was a move that was going to happen in the offseason because that's just so much money to save for a player that's just not a starting player for your team and not even a productive backup for your team either. So it's a move that was going to be made in the offseason anyway. They get ahead of the curve and just do it now. The money saved can go to a bunch of pending free agents

Starting point is 00:22:08 in Grover Stewart, Kenny Moore II, Michael Pittman Jr., Gardner Minshew is about to hit free agency as well. And honestly, I think one move that people aren't talking about enough is linebacker Zyra Franklin just got his extension two years ago, but that was with him being a reserve player. Now he's the face of your defense. Zyra Franklin is your starting middle linebacker. He's your guy who's going to break the franchise record and tackles in the season who might be a pro bowler this year.

Starting point is 00:22:33 Zyra Franklin's probably going to need an increase in pay after the season as well. So this is a lot of money being saved over the next three seasons that can go towards keeping those players and go towards, you know, extending those players and, and keeping them away from free agency. So again, this move sucks in, in just the whole, whole engrossing thing that is Indianapolis Colts over the last couple of seasons. But it's a move that was just going to have to be made anyway, just to keep these other players that are more more more important towards victories here in Indianapolis uh keeping Grover Stewart, Kenny Moore II, Michael Pittman Jr. and obviously Zyra Franklin it's just more important for this Colts team than keeping Shaquille Leonard when he's not

Starting point is 00:23:15 even really playing out there on Sunday so uh yeah I think this move was going to be made after the season regardless getting ahead of it now just gets that money you know getting ready to get off the books uh going into the offseason now what this move means for the Colts the rest of this season is EJ Speed pretty much becomes a 100% snap guy going forward uh EJ Speed snaps have been kind of kind of dropping throughout the season this year like it started off really high with Shaquille Leonard still working back from the injury and then slowly the Colts tried to work Shaquille Leonard more into the fold. And as a result, he was eating into EJ Speed's snaps overall. And when that started happening, the defense started struggling a little bit more. Again, I'm not saying it's all

Starting point is 00:23:57 Shaquille Leonard's fault, but obviously the better player was coming off the field for the player they were hoping that Shaquille Leonard could be again. Now with Shaquille Leonard no longer factoring into the equation, EJ Speed becomes the full-time starting other linebacker alongside Zyre Franklin, the more explosive player, obviously the better run defender, just a better overall player. I think this is going to really help the Colts defense down the stretch, just having a better linebacker out there than Shaquille Leonard. Now another player that's going to get some more playing time is probably Saguna Luby. You know, Saguna Luby, who started one game this year, came in for Zyra Franklin. Zyra Franklin was banged up. He started, I think he played every single snap in that game, had an interception,

Starting point is 00:24:38 had a couple tackles, a couple run stops, looked really solid in that game outside of a couple missed tackles there in space. So Saguna Luby probably will get more base down looks. I'm assuming Grant Stewart would also get some more base down looks. So yeah, I think this opens up more playing time for more explosive players, for more productive players on this defense. Because again, I think if you're really breaking down the performances of Colts linebackers this year, I would have speed Zyra Franklin and even a Luby over Shaquille Leonard from what we saw on the field. So I do think that this is a good move for the Colts defense. I think it's going to be

Starting point is 00:25:14 just a more productive move for everything going forward with this Colts defense. And when you're talking about the style of coverage that the Colts play, every defender is kind of on a string. That's really what they call it. It's a string defense. You're keeping every defender on a string and you just can't have someone freelancing and breaking off that string. Now, when you have a guy like Speed coming in or even a Luby who just knows their assignment's going to play some good assignment sound football with more athleticism and more explosiveness, that's just going to be better overall for your pass coverage and obviously for your run defense as well. So I like this move in terms of just making the Colts defense better. They need their defense to be playing at a really high level down the stretch because

Starting point is 00:25:54 if you look at these next couple of weeks for the Colts, they play some really solid defenses where the Colts offense might struggle. They play against the Buccaneers, they play against the Titans, they play against the Falcons, the Steelers, the Bengals. Those are some really solid defenses. And then the Colts defense on the other side, that was playing against some really poor offenses, you know, like those teams I just mentioned. Their Colts defense needs to carry this team

Starting point is 00:26:16 down the stretch if the Colts want to make the playoffs. So having your better players on the field, like EJ Speed, like even a Saguna Luby, than a Shaquille Leonard, just helps everything going forward and helps the Colts' chances of making the playoffs. So again, it's kind of addition by subtraction, unfortunately, for this Colts' defense, but it's a move that had to be made. You know, you guys can tell from the overall mood of this podcast, this episode here, it sucks. It really sucks that it had to come down to this. I really wish it could have worked out. I really wish Shaquille Leonard could have gotten back to

Starting point is 00:26:48 being Shaquille Leonard. And I still hope he does somewhere else. It's just, it's the nature of the business, man. It is business. The Colts had to make this move in order to be at their best going forward and to, you know, to kind of get ahead of the curve, what's going to happen this off season. So yeah, it sucks to have a whole episode talking the curve, what's going to happen this off season. So yeah, it sucks to have a whole episode talking about this, but what are you going to do? What are you going to do? So yeah,

Starting point is 00:27:11 if you guys missed it, if you guys missed what the whole topic of the show was, the Indianapolis Colts released a linebacker, Shaquille Leonard, former all pro linebacker, Shaquille Leonard. He is subject to waivers and he passes through waivers and he will become a free agent eligible to sign with anybody in the next couple of days.

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