Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - LOC REWIND: JuJu Brents, Jelani Woods sleepers? | RIP Jim Irsay | Trey Washington the UDFA to watch

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

Miss any recent Indianapolis Colts content? LOC Rewind brings you three of the best segments from the last week to catch you up.Why are guys like JuJu Brents and Jelani Woods still intriguing? (https://youtube.com/live/UDrWvN898Ks)Former Colts beat writer Zak Keefer shares memories of Jim Irsay. (https://youtu.be/8d8n-m16esA)Colts safety Trey Washington's agent, Aaron Brynildson, joins to discuss why the rookie UDFA has a chance at making the roster. (https://youtu.be/xIYHbOR_UGE) Become a Locked On Colts insider! Ask your burning questions and get prompt answers from someone who's around the team every day! Get special access from the locker room, practice field, and press box! JOIN HERE! Find and follow Locked On Colts on your favorite podcast platforms:🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/podcasts/locked-on-colts/📺YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLdpxJspi1hMh5HL7ExpWOQLocked On NFL League-Wide: Every Team, Fantasy, Draft & More🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/podcasts/locked-on-nfl/ Follow Jake and Zach's written work on HorseshoeHuddle.com, and give them a follow on Twitter @JakeArthurNFL, @ZachHicks2, @LockedOnColts, and @ColtsOn_SI, as well on TikTok and Instagram! Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!FanDuelRight now, new customers can get TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS in BONUS BETS when your first FIVE DOLLAR BET WINS! Download the app or head to FANDUEL.COM to get started. Bet with FanDuel—Official Partner of the NBA.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as non-withdrawable free bets that expire in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN)Monarch MoneyTake control of your finances with Monarch Money. Use code LOCKEDONNFL at monarchmoney.com for 50% off your first year.

All right, Zach, let's start with this first guy who technically was supposed to be part of the first segment, but perfectly winds up in here with guys who were injured. It could still open some eyes. That's Jalen Carlis. That's your new starting Will linebacker. Gonna have a huge role as well as all goes to as it goes to plan. This should be a thousand snap guy for you. The Colts are really only going to use two linebackers this year. Some of them are going to be defensive backs coming into play, but really Jalen Carlis is your new EJ speed. So he played in 10 games last year as a rookie and really doesn't have any competition for that role. So when you look at him, you say, all right, there's no choice. This guy has to look good. There's nobody else.

It's what are you going to do? Start Shagoo Aloubi. That may be OK, but that's an even bigger question, Mark. So Jalen Carlis going into year two, a lot on his plate. Yeah, Jalen Carlis, I believe, is the lone new defensive starter from last season. That's not some big time free agent signing. If we're looking at all the new faces coming in here,

you're getting Travarious Ward, getting Cameron Bynum, who are clear upgrades at their position, but the only new defensive starter besides them is going to be Jalen Carlis, who I think he showed a lot of good things last year. It is probably a big jump to put him out there as a full-time starter, but again, when we're talking about biggest X factors on this defense,

you know, a common, common quote that you hear with sports and a lot of things when it comes to just like units and lines and stuff like that is you're only as good as your weakest player. So a big thing for Jaylen Carlis is just go out there and, and do your set, play a Simon sound football. Don't be that big weakness, that big, you know, weakest player on this team. And this team will be fine here. You know, he's going to be surrounded by a lot of players who have been there done that a

lot of high end veterans and Grover Stewart and DeForest Buckner, you know, all these guys around them, Zaire Franklin coming off coming off an all pro season next to him. So we can be set up for success, especially in this system with Lou Anna Rumel where he'll be blitzing a lot and doing a lot of things that he did last year. So I'm high on Jalen Carlis. I think he can do it. But we'll just have to see if he could step up, you know, former day three pick getting an opportunity like this in year three and year two is is kind of a crazy jump up. But I fully expect

him to be able to be a solid player, especially with the quality players the Colts have around him. Yeah, I'm gonna put a lot of pressure on him because I was looking at Kato June's numbers, when he became a starter with the Colts, similar background, was a safety in college, came in to be a well linebacker with the Colts. And Kato's first full year starting, had 100 tackles,

I think it was like nine pass breakups, like had a decent year, but then year two, which I don't know where you want to put Carlize in his development. Uh, his second full year of starting was like five picks to two interceptions for touchdowns. I think that's like when the Colts won the Super Bowl as well. So I have very high expectations. I have expectations for him and for the team, I guess, is what you're saying here. Right, for sure.

I know. So we've got some other a lot of extra big names in here to fit in. So we'll kind of play lightning round here. One of the biggest ones for me is Jelani Woods. We've all forgot about Jelani Woods. He's been two years, two years injured. But just think about the hype train that was going for Jelani Woods after his rookie year.

Dude was a mismatch nightmare was even more of like a physical freak mismatch player at Titan than Tyler Warren. Like with a higher ceiling, like Tyler Warren has just done an incredible things in college. But in terms of prospects, like the ceiling was crazy. So Jelani Woods, if he stays healthy, number one, I'm not even positive that he makes the roster at this point because they love what Mo Ali Cox can do. They love what Drew Ogletree can do.

So we'll see if he makes it through training camp healthy, could be a huge X factor there. And then the rest of the other guys who were injured, Juju Brant's kind of the same story there, but as maybe played a little bit more and then Samson, have you come 30 years old coming off the Achilles? I don't have huge expectations for him, but he did lead the team in sacks a couple of years ago. Yeah. I think when I view those three players here going into the next season, it brings me back to my childhood where my dad would bring us like $1 lottery tickets for Christmas or for birthdays and stuff. They would just be the throw ons,

you know, like, like in your stocking, you get like those couple like $1 lottery tickets and like, if you win like $5 on that $1 lottery ticket, awesome. You just made $5 on this heck, I would take $1 on the $1 lottery ticket at this point. That's kind of what I view these three players where like Jelani Woods, if you get any return on this whatsoever this season, that's a big win because at this point you've already moved on by drafting Tyler Warren. You have Drew Ogletree as your blocking tight. You brought back Moheley Cox. Like if you get anything out of Jelani Woods, massive win this season. Same thing with Juju Brents where you were kind of operating like he's not going to be here. So if you get anything out of him, that'll be huge. And then with Ebucombe, like you're paying him more and he has more recent production than the other two.

But again, the history is not great for a 30 year old coming off an Achilles injury as a pass rusher. So for me personally, if they get anything out of these three players, like if they even make the roster, these three players, that's a win in my book, you know, but again, when we're talking about like variance players, like if these guys can just give some kind of plus return on investment, that that's the difference between winning and losing some games is getting these like between the cracks type players actually on the field and playing. So I don't know what the expectation should be for these three guys, but very little. But they're kind of just like low risk lottery tickets at this point. You know, they're not going to get the highest return on them probably. But like if you get any return on them at this point, I feel like that's a win for your team. Yeah, I mean, the only reason we're even talking about them

is because there is upside there, you know, like otherwise they're just I don't want to say guys who don't matter, but there's nothing to report on there. Uh, so these other guys, it's another small group. These are rotational players who I think will have some sort of role regardless. But if like an injury happens in front of them or something, they could really surprise some people. So we've got Shagu Ulubi who for all intents and purposes is the third linebacker. If they're ever in base,

he's probably going to be your Sam. Uh, DJ Giddens, the running back who's going to be behind Jonathan Taylor at minimum, maybe Cluel Herbert as well. Jalen Travis. Uh, I imagine he'll come in and some jumbo sets just like by design, but then we know what the Colts there's going to be injuries. Bernard Ryman and Braden Smith both have a history of essentially every year missing at least a little bit of time. And then our boy, Atatomi Atabuari. Like I think if, if you know, it's about on schedule other than the rookies,

we don't really know, but it's about time for those guys to take another step if they get a little more playing time. Oh yeah. I look I love out of Tommy Wah, out of Bore, like very good player. Shagu Aloubi, one of my favorites, obviously on the team. You can throw like an Isaiah Land in there as well. These guys who have been marinating for a couple years, like it's your time to shine, like get out there and do something. But to me, if we're talking about which of this group of players is going to be the most important for wins and losses for the Colts this year, I'm looking at Jalen Travis because last year, Mackensalve started what, 10 games at offensive tackle? I think he had four starts at left tackle and six at right tackle.

Almost 600 snaps. Yeah. I think he was like fourth on the offensive line in snaps last year. Like he had a lot of snaps and played a lot of football for the team and that was your rotational not your rotational your your swing offensive tackle for the team so jalen travis wins that job out of camp like like we expected to he's going to play a lot of football this year the the swing tackle on the indianapolis colts plays a lot of football because rhyman i think has had two concussions uh in the last three years. And Braden Smith hasn't played more than 15 games in a season in the last, like, four years of his career. So, yeah, the swing tackle is going to play a lot in that position right there.

If you have bad offensive tackle play, that can lose you football games. We've seen it happen in Indianapolis plenty of times since Anthony Costanza retired. So I really I think Jalen Travis is going to be one of the biggest X factors on the team this year because if he can get out there in his snaps and just give the Colts productive, like I don't need it to be some great offensive tackle, just get in the way of pass rushers and the Colts should be fine on offense. That's all you could ask out of a swing tackle in the NFL. Just get in the way. If he can just do that, the Colts might be able to steal a win that they would otherwise lose if they had bad backup offensive tackle play.

Yeah. I'd like to see him at least a little bit. Like I don't want anyone to be injured, but I would maybe like to see him more than just in the jumbo sets, cause if Braden Smith leaves after this year, he's should hopefully be your starting tackle. So yeah, sorry. This is the episode where the dogs take it all. You guys ever check your bank account and wonder where did all of my money go

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access, the special access that a guy like that would give to us in our position. Yeah, Jake, interesting is a good word, but it probably doesn't do full justice, right? So after I left the Colts beat to sort of move to a national beat, I travel around the country and I'm at every NFL training camp, games all over the place. And the one question I get more than any other from beat riders, from agents, from assistant coaches, from executives is, what is Jim Ursay really like? And I always tell them, like, how much time do you have? Because this could be a 10-minute answer, this could be a three-hour answer. And that's what a relationship with Jim Ursay was like. You get into sports because you love sports, but also I got into sports coverage because I was fascinated by the people in the game and around the game. And I don't think I'll ever meet anyone as interesting

and as unique as Jim Ursay. You know this, anyone who's been around the Indianapolis media market knows this. I always thought that his perception nationally was one thing, and it was almost a polar opposite in Indianapolis. and I'll remember Jim or say not for the rambling press conferences and the bold statements three Lombardy's and all that.

I will remember the man and sometimes these very private intimate moments. He would call me late at night and we would talk football for hours and it was really cool and I know my beat writing friends across the NFL were very jealous that I had that kind of relationship with the owner. But you know, it took time, it took trust, and we didn't always get along. But he was one of one in so many ways. And I will be forever grateful that I got to cover the team that he owned. Yeah, I always thought it was interesting where, you know, those of us who have spoken to him and everything, it always seemed to be after a piece where, you know, maybe it didn't necessarily go in the most positive light

his way, but he was always willing to talk it out, which I think is very incredibly rare. So for you, obviously, it's very, again, unique for an owner to be that way. But I guess how has this helped, you know, what have you taken away from this in your career? Just those those moments to get that perspective from an owner. I mean, a lot of us, we kind of have to put pieces together ourselves. But you actually had the owner of a team kind of, you know, gleaming how they see things a little bit. I have a friend who covers the commanders and he would ask me how often I got to chat with Jim Ursay and this was when Dan Snyder owned the Washington football team and I said I talk to him

all the time, calls, texts, etc. and he said I've been in a room with Dan Snyder one time in 10 years. He said, I've been in a room with Dan Snyder one time in 10 years. So that's, that's the other side of the spectrum. And, and Erce was certainly not normal and certainly not predictable. And he was authentic in his own way, but two parts to answer your question. One, he was a unique NFL character. Forget the media side of it. He was 12 years old when he sat down in a spot in the lunchroom in Baltimore and was having lunch. And Johnny United said, Move your ass, kid. Like that was his welcome to the NFL moment. Yeah, you know, and yeah, he was

the son of the owner. But that wasn't easy. That didn't make his life easy. His, his dad was a horrendous owner, maybe the worst in league history. And Jimmy had to get on the bus and apologize to coaches and teammates after his dad had fired the coaching staff after a preseason game. Like think about that statement. Life was wartime back then. That's what Jim Merced told me once of working under his father who fired him more times than he could count. So on one end, he had this unbelievably unique NFL existence.

I mean, he grew up idolizing the Roonies and the Hunts and the Hallis's, and he considered them his big brothers, his idols in the game, and he cherished those relationships. You know, on the media side, all we want to do as reporters is tell the fans what they don't know, right? So whether you agree with the Colts, and I certainly didn't agree with their say all the time, but if I could tell the readers and the audience and the listeners what the team thought

when they made this decision, then I'm doing my job. And he let me do that. He would call me and he would tell me what the team was thinking. And I would push back and say, well, this doesn't make sense to me, Jim, or why. And I would push back and say, Well, this doesn't make sense to me, Jim, or why are you going to do that? I mean, remember, they've churned through like 58 quarterbacks in the last five years. So I lived that in a way with Kim Ursay, because they were trying to find this quarterback, and they still

haven't found him. We'll see this year. But if you can, you know, if you can let the reader and the fans know what the team is thinking, I feel like we've done our job. It doesn't mean they got it right. It doesn't mean they're going to win games. But he didn't keep us in the dark. And the other thing I loved about Jim Mercer is the man didn't believe in cliches. He did not sit at the podium and give us BS. He said what he thought.

Now he would go over here and over here and over here and we would have jokes about how many different topics we could get into one press conference and it wore me out and it and I don't want to speak for everybody but Mike Chappell has years on me on the beat and the amount of transcriptions he's done for Jim Mercy press conferences trumps everybody but you But you get into football, and the great thing about the NFL is it's so fascinating and it's so entertaining and it's so different week to week. But you get into it for the characters.

And he was one of one, like I said earlier, and he kept it real with us. He never BS'd us. And no two days were the same on the Cold Speak, that's for sure yeah, and you mentioned kind of the national perception versus the local one and Despite how much he did like, you know being out there in front and speaking on things He did a lot of but you know, he's very philanthropic guy

He did a lot of that like charity and just general generous things just in the dark without people knowing. And I think that's that's again super unique because again, there were the things there was a Twitter contest that everyone can see. There's walking around at Grand Park handing out money. But the guy just wanted to be generous and kind of pay it forward at all times, no matter who was looking. So I think that's that's certainly something endearing for him. And then one more thing I wanted to kind of tackle with you real quick. I think a lot of people, you know, are kind of wondering what's next, obviously.

There is a little bit of precedence with this, with Carly and Kaylyn being in the building as much as they are. We've seen back in 2014, they kind of had to take the reins a little bit. So can you explain the dynamic a little bit? Like for me, generally I can say, you know, Carly has been really, really involved with like football operations. I think she took Vice President role in 2008.

And then Kaylyn is kind of out in front with a lot of those philanthropic efforts. So for people who are wondering, like, what's next, can you kind of explain a little bit the dynamic there? Yeah, as far as I understand it, and these are Jim Merseys words, these are conversations I've had with him in the last couple of years. Carly Ursaid-Gordon, the oldest of the three sisters, will be the primary owner of this team. Now, the language and how it is presented might be all three of them, right? Casey Foyt is not as involved as the other two, but that doesn't mean her name isn't on the title as one of the three vice owners. But look, I mean, everyone around the team knows that Carly has been an increasing presence in the building, in the draft room, on the sideline during games with a headset.

She has essentially been taking a crash course on how to become an NFL owner. Not unlike her father took 30 years ago when his dad, Bob Ursay, said, I want you to learn this organization from the ground up. Jim started as a ball boy, worked in the equipment room, worked in ticketing and sales, and eventually became a GM at 24. Now, Carly Ursay Gordon will be the primary owner of this team, as far as I understand, moving forward. I don't expect anything to change in terms of Pete Ward's role as the COO. For fans who don't know Pete Ward well, this guy runs the thing. I mean, he absolutely runs everything that's the non football side of the Indianapolis Colts.

He's been with the team since he was hiding out in Jim Erstey's van when they were leaving Baltimore under the snow in 1984. So he's a lifer as well. Chris Ballard will remain in charge of the football operations, that side of the building. But this is Carly's show. This has been well in the works for several years. Now, Jim, this was really important to him. The Colts are not leaving Indianapolis. I got that question. And the Colts are not being sold. And that is very important to him. And I can almost guarantee you that that is something he passed on to his daughters. The Colts were not a job to him. They were not a passion to him. They were his life. And he intended it to stay in the family.

So this has been in the works for several years. They had been preparing for this, but I expect Carly to be the more front and focal person moving forward. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's certainly, that certainly seems to, you know, that they haven't made any formal announcements yet. But like you mentioned it, that's kind of been in the works for quite some time. So I know if there's someone more qualified than Carly, I really don't know. Because like you said, you seen her on the sidelines. You see her at, you know, at practice throughout training camp with the tablet, the headset and everything.

So she's been very, very engaged for a long time. So certainly, you know, I don't think they're prepared for any sort of blips with this. I think they're very prepared. So thanks again, Zach, for joining us. Obviously not the easiest last 24 hours for for people in Indianapolis, but I appreciate you coming on and sharing some of your thoughts. For sure. Thanks for having me, Jake. All right. Thanks, man.

Already locked on Colts every dayers, we are back. And today we are joined by Aaron Brindle, Sen of Stronghold Sports Agency, the agent for Trey Washington, the Colts undrafted free agent signing out of Ole Miss. A guy who on this show, we've talked about him quite a bit about how he's probably the guy who has the best chance

to make the team. And Aaron, I kind of want to ask you about that undrafted free agency process. I know it it gets hectic there on day three for you agents and for players. So talk about the kind of the process it was for for trade end up here with with the Colts. Yeah, thanks, Zach, for having me on. Thanks for the stuff that you and Jacob done to write about trade. It's been phenomenal coverage. Really appreciate that. So a little bit about me. I'm a first year NFL agent. So it's

pretty rare to have a UDFA that signs with an NFL team as a first year agent. So this was kind of unique for me because I don't have all the contacts with teams that maybe other guys do. So having Trey as a client really brought in a lot of contacts with NFL teams and the Colts were one of them. So early on about a month out, I started having a sense for which teams were interested. Had about 15 different NFL franchises that had reached out to either Trey or myself. And so typically what you see is teams will directly text message the player or text message myself and just say, Hey, we're interested for, you know, keep you on our radar and talk to you as we get closer.

So I had a good sense for what teams are interested, the Colts are unique in that they send questionnaires out to every player that they have a write up on. And so it's hard to know if the Colts are really interested or if they're just sending you a questionnaire to get more info. So at first when he told me the Colts are interested, I was like, yeah, but are they really interested? And then Jamie Moore, who's, I think he used to be an area scout. He's now the assistant director of college scouting for the Colts. He directly messaged me about a week before the draft. Just told me that they were really interested in signing him. A lot of teams had him graded as a day three

guy, but that doesn't mean that you're going to get drafted. It just means that you're, they think you're a quality player that could get drafted. And we had about three different teams interview Trey before the draft or zoom. The Colts did like a brief phone interview with him. So I knew that there was at least that level of interest. And then on day three, several of the teams that had interested in him, like we were talking to the 49ers, the Packers, a couple other teams that had done more thorough interviews with him ended up drafting a safety. that had done more thorough interviews with him ended up drafting a safety. And so the list of teams that we thought he would go to started to shrink a little bit.

I was a little bummed when I saw the Colts draft a safety in the seventh round, but Jamie actually called me and kind of reassured me that they were still interested in Trey. I wanted to sign him. He was a priority for them to really get on the team. He also let me know that they weren't sure if the guy they drafted was going to be a linebacker or safety yet. Right. Yeah. They saw him taking snaps at both. So they were still looking for a potential UDFA to join the 53 man. And so we saw the Colts as a really good opportunity for Trey as a undrafted guy to get early playing time, at least make the practice squad. And that was ultimately the reason why we went with the Colts.

Awesome. Awesome. Yeah. I always love hearing about that because yeah, people don't realize that the conversations with teams, they start as early as the week before for undrafted free agency, but they especially pick up like round four, round five, like, that's when we're talking undrafted free agency starting in terms of those calls. And then a lot of those picks on day three come from teams being like, well, if you're going to sign with this other guy, we're going to just draft you here and make sure that you end up with our team. And that's how close it is for a lot of these guys on day three. But before we get into Tray's film, because I do think it was really good film that he put out there at Ole Miss. A lot of snaps in his career.

We want to talk about that in a second. But you have that unique relationship, obviously, with him working with him throughout this whole process and obviously throughout a lot of his career. So what can you tell us about Tray just as a person and just work ethic wise and all those things? Yeah, I think the Colts fan base is going to love him. What can you tell us about Trey just as a person and just work ethic wise and all those things? Yeah, I think the Colts fan base is going to love him. So one of the unique things about Trey is that even in the transfer portal era, he played all four years at Ole Miss. Didn't look for other opportunities to go elsewhere. Knew he had a great opportunity at Ole Miss. And so he started for three years at Ole Miss. He was, I think, the only player from his recruiting class that did all four years there.

So Lane Kiffin gave him a shout out at a team meeting towards the end of the season. He was like, be like Trey Washington. Stay in this program, stay here for four years. We'll take care of you. We'll get the chance to develop and you really see that in Trey. So Trey was in one of Lane's first recruiting classes too. And so it's great to see him there. I'm an alum

of Ole Miss. That's kind of how I got connected to Trey. So I'm unique in that I'm the only active duty NFL agent and me and his dad bonded over that. So his dad is an army veteran. Okay. And his dad was the one that found out about me and found my website and connected us. And so I've been with Trey since December of last year, getting to know him and going through the process. And one of the things about him is he's, he's a quiet professional. He's not the kind of guy that's going to be on social media or be talking to himself up a lot. And I think because of that, he's always been kind of an underdog. And he had a phenomenal pro day. If you look at his stats, he ran a four or five. Some of the scouts had him at lower, but they kind of average out the numbers. And he did 23 reps on bench, which is three more than Human Warrior did at

the combine. So three more than the top safety at the combine in terms of bench. He's 205 pounds of just pure muscle. He has like a 5% body fat. He's a heavy hitter, really good in the run defense. If you look at some of his statistics, one of the best in the SEC from the safety position that run defense. But he's a great kid. He plays chess in his free time, which I don't even know how to play chess. Other day I called him and he's like, hey, sorry, I'm in the middle of playing chess. So I missed your call, which I learned new things about him every day. He's just got a good head on

his shoulders. His dad works in IT at Amazon Web Services. He's like a high level IT guy there. And his mom is a, she was an accountant and then now she's a stay home mom. And so it's, I love his family. I got to meet them all in person at his pro day and he comes from a phenomenal background that I think anybody could root for. Love it, love it.

Yeah, we love just hearing about guys that are easy to root for. That's obviously the most important thing when it comes to this. And that's part of my favorite part about doing this job. But looking at Trey, you know, he was a guy who, he was kind of like a late signing, I believe, for the late announcement, I guess.

We didn't have a lot of the early announcements. So when we heard about the signing, I immediately was like, okay, cool, Ole Miss film. I have that, I can dive into it. And I think one of the things that stood out about his film when I watched it, is obviously the run defense, like you mentioned it, but a lot of nickel corner snaps,

a lot of safety snaps, kind of did a lot of both. And when you're looking at this Colts team, the two areas that you really could see a guy making the team are backup nickel corner and safety. So I'm just thinking like, you know, this guy could be a fit at either one of those spots. The Colts have indicated safety, but they talked at all about like nickel corner and kind of like that that dual type of workload in the offseason.

Yeah, I asked Trey about that during the draft process. Some teams told us they saw him as a nickel and then some said we see him at safety. He's like five, nine and a half. Yeah, I think his only thing that makes people think nickel. Right. But he sees himself as a safety and that's, I think, where the Colts are initially thinking about putting him. But like you said, he's pretty versatile. He actually played cornerback in high school when he was a three-star recruit at high

school. So he has a speed to play really anywhere in the secondary. He's also a guy that's never been injured. So I know the Colts have had some difficulties with injuries in the secondary. So he's a guy you can really plug in, know that he's durable, know that he's going to stick around. And I think he's also really that, I mean, when you're undrafted free agent, you're looking at special teams snaps predominantly and the special teams coordinators already really viewed him as, I think, a leader in the classroom right now as a special team.

So I think that's a testament to how smart he is. He, the defensive coordinator, Ole Miss, Pete Golding, said he's one of the smartest players he's ever had play for him and wants to hire him to be a defensive coordinator someday when he gets that coaching job. Awesome. Really about his his intellect. He's a great player, but he's incredibly smart. Yeah. So we got good athlete. We got a lot of experience. We got smart player. Like, I think we have the makings here of an undrafted free agent that can push for a roster spot here.

But do you have anything else you want to add about Trey before we get out of here, man? I'm I'm loving everything I'm hearing. This sounds like an undrafted for agent that sticks. And that's obviously what we love to hear about, you know, players making this underdog journey here. I just would reiterate that he's a player you want to watch in the preseason. I'm going to be there for the Packers game in Indy. I'm really looking forward to that. And I think both myself and Trey are gonna grow

with the fan base, get to know y'all better. And I'm gonna try to get him to be more vocal on social media, get to know the fans. But I'm just excited for you all to see number 41 and Blue out there and land some hits. And you can get to see what I saw in college from him. And it's gonna be a great time. Awesome, man. Awesome.

Well, and we appreciate you jumping on today to talk all about Trey Washington, a new favorite, early favorite here on the Locked on Colts podcast. And hopefully it turns out a little better than some of our other favorites. But look, we find favorites all the time. We find favorites, get these guys on at least the practice squad and then go from there. It's all about that journey and just about that, that underdog story that we love here on the show. But we want to thank all of you guys for making locked on culture.

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