Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - LOCKED ON COLTS -1/10- Jim Irsay's Silence Is Deafening; Fans Want Answers With George Bremer (@gmbremer)

Episode Date: January 10, 2017

Matt brings on friend of the show George Bremer to discuss the craziness that is owner Jim Irsay's silence following the season. Fans want to know where his plane is going, who he's talking to and is Chuck Pagano truly safe following report that he'll be staying for 2017 season? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah, a little bit of downtime yeah a little a little bit anyways and uh sitting around waiting for something to happen or for nothing to happen is a little strange as well this time of year um well george i brought you in because i was uh curious to see how just how strange that uh end of the year press conference was with Pagano just going basically full old man jabbering for 15 minutes or whatever that was and trying to make sense of it. And kind of, if you can, tell me kind of what your thought process was going into that press conference and what you actually thought you guys were going to get out of it. Yeah, I think it was clocked in at 23 minutes, the opening statement.

So it was kind of fun because all year long, he'd been kind of getting longer and longer with those things, and everyone was taking notice and kind of a filibuster type of a situation. That one, he was going for a world record, I think, on that afternoon. So it really was interesting, especially about the time he got to the assistant special teams coaches. You thought, wow, he's really going to name every single member of this organization. So I think he may have stopped just short of that.

But it was one of the more surreal days I think I've had over there at the Colts headquarters and I've been there pretty regularly since 2011 I've been around the team pretty regularly since 2010 so and obviously the last four or five years I've been there pretty much every day during the season so you know quite a bit of time over there and and that is probably as odd and as mind-scratching I guess as a day as I can remember the closest thing I can compare it to was following the 2011 season they brought Jim Caldwell out the day after the loss of Jacksonville and he didn't he was in a similar situation he didn't know yet what the future held, and he hadn't yet had any meetings with Jim Irsay.

But I thought Caldwell handled things really well that day. He pretty much came out and said, look, it's my job until they tell me it isn't, and that's the way I'm going to handle it. And that pretty much answered what you needed answered. From that point on, there wasn't a whole lot else to ask him. And then a couple hours later, Bill and Chris Pulliam were fired, and we found out at that point that Caldwell State would lie in the hands

of the new general manager. And it was still a few weeks before any decision was made officially on him because it took a while to hire Ryan Grigson, and then Grigson took a while to decide what he wanted to do with the head coach. So, you know, that's the closest I can come to it. But I thought Caldwell handled it much better. I don't know, maybe he was more prepared. Maybe he had a better idea of what was coming.

One of the strangest things to me about Monday, that Black Monday in Indy, was that it felt like the organization was either surprised that there were questions about what was going to go on in the future or completely unprepared to answer one or the other. And that just seemed really odd because obviously the national media had been asking Jim Irsay for weeks when he was thinking up to that point. And I think when they talk about the expectations that this franchise has and the goals and places they want to go eight and eight is never one of them that's never something that you know and i don't know how many times chuck pagano said during that filibuster it was

unacceptable it was not the standard that was set here so you know when you say those kind of things i don't know why you'd be surprised there's questions about what's going to happen in the future right what was it well i mean and going into that, like I said, you guys had to be kind of like, um, you know, this is kind of, uh, an awkward, is this just an end of the year press conference on black Monday? Or is this him announcing, uh, one way or the other, you know, it'd be weird for Chuck to necessarily announce, you know, make a decision, make an announcement on his own

future. But where exactly did you think he was going? Yeah, we didn't know. And I think it was an odd day to begin with. We went out there and normally on Black Monday, you get the locker room first. That part of it wasn't odd. We talked to the players who we knew had just come from a meeting with Chuck Pagano, and they all sort of hinted that they hadn't been told anything solid about the future. So we all kind of wondered what that meant. Did it mean that Pagano didn't feel like there was a question, and therefore he didn't address it with the team, or did he not know the answers? And then at that point in time time there was no availability for chuck

pagano on the schedule which is unusual there had been some talk on sunday after the game that he would be available and they would let us know when uh which is the normal course of action of course the day after the season day after any game uh But normally when we get the media release, it says, check Pagano TBD if they don't know yet. And it wasn't on there at all. So there was a lot of speculation on our part when we came in what that meant or didn't mean. And then maybe 15, 20 minutes after we were out of the locker room,

word came across that Pagano was going to speak about 1.30 so at that point we thought his job was safe just because we figured there wouldn't be much reason to put him on the schedule after he wasn't on the schedule if he was being fired and then in all honesty the way that long

looping speech began at one point I half expected him to say he was going to resign. I mean, the very start of that sounded a lot like, I don't want to say apologetic, but there were a lot of, as we mentioned before. He sounded like a defeated man. Yeah, absolutely. And at that point, part of me was like, wait a minute. Is he going to say, you know, I'm stepping away or whatever? And then, you know, your mind goes to some pretty dark places, too, at one point.

You're hoping that, but you worry for a minute, is there a health thing again? Because he was so defeated up there, you know? So there was probably a split second in my mind of, i hope nothing's come up again with that uh thankfully that wasn't anything that was remotely on on the table which is good uh obviously you know that's that that was one of the worst days i've ever been a part of around the team and so thankfully that had nothing to do with it and then you start wondering well what is going on and as that almost half hour long opening statement continued you started to realize at least he believed he was coming back because it kind of took a turn in the middle towards you know what the team was looking at and what was next and

and I think that's sort of probably the biggest strength that Chuck Pagano has is taking whatever situation's facing them and focusing on the positive on what's coming up I think that's probably where he's been his strongest and obviously with what he's been through personally I don't think there's anything on the football field that's gonna be unanswerable for him as far as that goes so you know i think i think it was a tough position to put him in uh because obviously he hadn't met with jim ursae and i think that's probably as much as anything what came out of that uh what's been more interesting to me has been the silence of the owner sense i mean by now ordinarily we would have gotten a tweet, some kind of statement. And again, I have to emphasize here because it's important, and we talk about it all the time,

but there is no mandate that they say anything at this point. Both men, Chuck Pagano and Ryan Grickson, are under contract. So the only announcement that would need to be made is if there was a change in that status. That being said, we've seen other teams around the league. The Jets came out the last day of the regular season and said, hey, our coach and general manager aren't going anywhere. The Lions came out right before the playoffs and said, Jim Caldwell's not going anywhere.

They didn't have to do that either. That's more of the status quo. And that's more of the status quo from teams, and that's something that you would expect. And I want to get to that here in just a second. But to finish up on this probably senseless talk about the press conference, of all things, when his ramble ended, was it equally as shocking that you guys weren't able to ask any questions?

We were able to ask questions, but they got cut off pretty quickly. And in fact, I'm not sure that it had actually ended so much as Dave Calabro was able to finally get a question in. And he paused for a minute. I'm not sure he was done when Dave Calabro was first asked, you know, hey, do you know anything about your future? And then from there, it was a pretty tense give and take because he really took the stance of, I don't even know why you're asking this of me, it seemed like, you know, from our standpoint.

And then the questions got cut off pretty quickly thereafter, and it's been radio silence at the headquarters ever since right and that and that in itself is odd i mean avis is pretty quick to you know he he has either a question limit or a time limit and he sticks to it very uh religiously almost you know when he's done or when avis said you guys are done you know we're done uh that there's nothing coming after that and stuff. But I was a little surprised at how maybe just Chuck took all the available time that Avis was going to give him talking. Maybe that's what I don't know.

A good chunk of it. There's no doubt about that. I really don't know. But I just thought that was strange that there wasn't. Because obviously this is a situation where people want to know something. People want some sort of an insight like, hey, you know, have you, you know, there was some minimal questions, you know, have you talked to the owner? You know, no, I don't need to, you know, but it was kind of like, well, everybody who has any knowledge of this team

or cares about this team whatsoever thinks you need to talk to it. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it was, it was so strange that way but when it all came back around it was just one of the strangest press conferences uh that i've ever watched or seen in any sport uh and of course you know one of these uh situations like the uh crazy play calls and stuff with Griff Whalen and stuff like that. You know, of course it has to be the Colts. You know, this is something that just takes, what a mess.

But, you know, let's get into Jim Irsay being so quiet about this. This is not like him at all. No, no. And I think that's why everybody's antenna continues to be up a little bit, just because it's odd to me. When you see the way the press conference was handled, it was obviously just weird. I don't know if there's any other word for it.

But the one sense that came from all that is the team wants this all to go away, and I feel like there's a really easy way to do that, and it is to have the owner come out and say, I have full confidence in Ryan Grixen and Chuck Pagano, and this is what we're doing moving forward. It's a really simple situation to solve. And the fact that that still hasn't happened, you know, maybe there's a hundred reasons why. I don't know.

But until that happens or until enough time passes that I guess it's obvious that that's what they're going to do going forward, it allows everybody to kind of fill the void with whatever they believe it was Alex Marvez or Marquez, I'm not sure exactly. Marvez. Marvez, okay. I mean, I kind of felt like it was, I don't want to say like it didn't seem like a real report. It just seemed very, well, you know, he told me he's safe. We don't know what's going on with Gregson, you know what I mean? It just seemed so, not a half truth necessarily,

but just half done. I mean, it just whether it was actual response from Pagano himself, his agent, or if it was just, you know, that he's not a stupid guy, regardless of how he tries to dumb down a certain situation. So Pagano knows that people want answers and a lot of people want his job for it. So, I mean, he's not dumb in that regard, but, you know, he certainly is playing it off like, you know, in front of the cameras and in front of reporters, like, you know, you guys shouldn't expect me to think that I'm going to be fired. But at least from what I get out of the report, and I use, you know, air quotes here that and I use air quotes here that Pagano was told he was safe. I don't want to say that I don't believe it.

I mean, I don't think that he would have written it or spoke up about it if there wasn't something relayed to him. But on the other hand, it just seems very – it doesn't seem any different, I guess, than what came out of the press conference that, you know, I haven't heard anything. I'm safe, you know, that kind of thing. What's your take on the report that Pagano is safe? Yeah, Alex is one of the best in the business. So I know whatever he was going with was solid. I don't have any question on his end.

But the wild card in all of this is Jim Irsay. And a big part of that is, first and foremost, normally, 99.9% of the time, he's a very media-savvy owner. He understands our job. He understands most of the time the way we're going to react to a situation. And normally, he tries to get out in front of that or at least get out quickly on the end of these situations and make comments i mean he's obviously done some things in the past that

have stirred stirred the pot but each time he's done it you know i think it's come from passion it's come from his own you know he's probably amongst owners he's he's one of the biggest football guys out there in the nfl a lot of these guys came from some other business you know they're more businessmen who got into football jim ursa is a football guy and has been his whole life and he's obviously raised in this franchise he played the game himself he he understands that more often than not he's very in tune with with the rhythms of this game and everything around it so again that to me is what's so interesting about what's going on now but it's also why the reporting kind of comes out the way it does right after that report you're talking about ian rapaport came

out and said look ryan grickson safe too as far as i know the thing about it is when it comes to the colts there's only one guy that really knows and it's Jim Ursa and he can be very good at being tight-lipped when he wants to be so I think even if something comes out it doesn't mean that his mind hasn't changed between the time that that info was given and you know the next day so I'm with you I don't't know. I cast no question whatsoever on Alex Marvez or what he was reporting. But I do question Jim Irsay's thought process. To me, that report is a snapshot at some period in time. We don't know what period in time, but it might not reflect today.

Or it might. You just don't know. Right. One more quick question before I get to a couple quick hitters uh uh do you still believe that grigson and pagano are still tied together uh for any decision that is or isn't made you know i think they are so much as anybody in the nfl is it's always to the point where that's in the best interest of the team and I know that that's a terrible way to answer the question but I feel like when they go out when Jim Irsay goes out and looks around and I have to assume he's done that at some point this offseason he's going to look at all facets and if that means that there's a general manager

candidate who's maybe really good but he's not sure what to do with the head coach, then I think he would go ahead and make that change and leave the head coach installed and vice versa. You know, if he felt like there was a head coach he really wanted to go after, but not necessarily a GM candidate, he would probably go ahead and make that move. So I think they are tight at the hip in the sense that contractually, and I think that's what he meant. They've got three years left, both of them. So their length of stay is the same. So in that sense, they are tight at the hip. But I don't think it's a situation where 100%, no matter what,

he can't just replace one or the other. I mean, it's his team. He can do whatever he wants. Right. Obviously, I think it makes – and I just mean process-wise, it makes more sense if you don't fire them both, you only fire the coach because ultimately the GM, you want to be the guy to help you pull in the new coach. It's just such a weird dynamic, too, to begin with when you think about

that Grigson comes in, fires Caldwell, and then they hire Grigson. And then it seems like the first couple years, few years of their connection there was just very stressful between the two. And it just was really odd. You would think that they would want to pull in a guy, uh, that Grigson either was really tight with, or, you know, felt like they had a good relationship in some regard or something, but, you know, Grigson was very, you know, obviously that's his first GM job as well. So, uh, it kind of lends to the thought that it was, uh, maybe a combined effort to bring in Pagano between Grigson and Ursae and maybe some other figures as well.

Okay, here's a couple quick hitters for you. And if you want to elaborate, go right ahead. But is Pagano the head coach of the 2017 Indianapolis Colts? Probably. That's about as confident as I can be. What are the two biggest needs? I was going to ask you just what the most biggest need for the Colts is, but I think one of them is pretty obvious, so I'm going to ask you what the two biggest Colts needs are this offseason between free agency and draft. I'm guessing pass rush is

the one that's most obvious out there. I think it's going to be at the top of everybody's list. For me personally, the second one is inside linebacker. You've got a real interesting situation there. Does DeQual Jackson come back? Does he not? Obviously didn't end the season the way you'd want to. And while Edwin Jackson and Antonio Morrison both have blasted times potential and they're interesting guys to keep an eye on, there's no depth at that spot, and it's really, I think, a position that they need to look at. And I think three of the last four games, 180-plus rushing yards against this team, you need to do something about that.

Okay, then I'll piggyback off of that. DeQuel Jackson, is he on the 2017 roster, yes or no? I would think not. The only question there in my mind is from that leadership standpoint. Even after the suspension, when Jackson was very clear, this is the guy they take their cues from. And with Robert Mathis retiring in particular there's not a lot of obvious leadership on the defensive side of the ball especially with Mike

Adams also as a free agent maybe a guy like Darius Butler who's also a free agent to step into that role but clearly there's a need for leadership on in that room. And so if he's back, I would think that's why. Yeah. I, I tend to agree with you as far as the, the reasoning for sure. Or say being quiet, something or nothing. I think something, because again, like we were just talking about previously, it's a pretty easy thing to put to bed. You know, you can do that with a press release. You can do it with a tweet. You can do it with a leak to one of the national guys that is clearly from you, that you are mentioned in, and none of

that's happened. So what's going on? I don't know. But to me, it's not exactly business as usual if the owner remains mum. I tend to agree with that. It's man, you know, uh, it kind of looks back through his tweets and there isn't really too many over the past several months that you would say this came from Jim. You know, you almost feel like maybe his daughter or somebody else is running his Twitter account because it's very, it's been very roster update. There haven't been any song lyrics. No, exactly. And, you know, it kind of makes you wonder, you know, how active has he actually been in trying to get information out or give, you know, any kind of a heads up as to anything over the past several months. It's just kind of a strange situation with him. And I think that, man, he just, he is, like I said, a lot of people are calling him incompetent. He may be acting like it, but he's certainly not incompetent.

You know what I mean? I hate when I hear people say that and they give no context for it. I understand what they mean, but he's clearly competent in his role. Whether he is, you know, just beside himself right now at the past two seasons for the Colts organization, whether he is, I don't know, heavily stressed out or just whatever, you know, it's just, it's a very, very strange time. And, you know, quite frankly, there's a lot of pissed Colts fans, and I think that that's one of the reasons is because it's like, look, yeah, we don't want Pagano or Grigson back or whatever. We want changes, but even if there's not going to be, he needs to be the one to come out and just say, hey, nothing's happening or this is happening or whatever. But like we talked about, you said something with him being quiet. So maybe he's looking for somebody to take a role that's not currently filled within the organization in order to then maybe increase that role in order to get Grigson and or Pagano out. You know, it's so

crazy. I mean, and speculation just goes nuts because people don't know what's going on. Really, really strange. I just, I want something concrete either way. And I know that a lot of Colts fans out there do as well. It's just one of those things that you don't typically see and that you almost never, ever see from Jim Irsay at all. And the thing to me about that that's really interesting is he's not a guy who's tone deaf to the, to the narrative around his franchise. And he usually knows, I don't know how many times,

and I know you've been out of training camp from time to time when he's spoken and more often than not, he'll bring up things that obviously came from something, you know, something almost out of left field knows yep yeah oh absolutely he'll be completely detached from anything else he was talking about and all of a sudden he'll drop in uh some kind of comment you just kind of know he's generally a guy who's got his finger on the pulse of the fan base so i i find it hard

to believe that that he's in a room somewhere unaware of what's going on. And that makes it even more worrisome, I guess, or puzzling to me that there's been no word. Right. Okay. As far as the Peyton Manning stuff goes, I think there was some legs to that just as far as the thought process of finding out where Peyton was at. Obviously, Jim knows, as you've mentioned, he's not tone deaf. He definitely wants to bring back somebody to completely revitalize the fan base. The Colts are one of two teams that don't have a waiting list on season tickets right now.

And that's a really weird place for that situation to be. I don't think that that's been the case for, I don't know how many years, but hasn't been any time recent. So with all of this Manning stuff, like I said, I think it has had some legs. There were some conversations. There was some testing out, kind of seeing where everything was at i think i think it's like i said it's still uh speculation i think but there was some quality conversations there and some quality thought process to go and put the two together you know one plus one is two but is is there any thought that a peyton Manning would want a larger stake in the organization as to – or would he even – I guess would being a GM or president or vice president or whatever the role that he would come in and fill or be created have created for him, would that be enough for him, do you think, to come back and work under Jim Irsay where there's been some, you know, things, in my opinion, that were taken out of context that Jim said but have been seen as kind of shots at Peyton in the past?

Yeah, you know, I think there's no doubt Jim Irsay's interested. To what extent maybe some of these conversations went, you know i i think there's no doubt jim urs is interested uh to what extent maybe some of these conversations when you know whether or not there were actual negotiations whether or not a position was offered i can't speak to any of that but i think he's interested i think he would love to have peyton manning back with the franchise and somewhat and who wouldn't I think that's a pretty pretty obvious feeling to have and I think you can see that the ice is broken a little bit to whatever extent it was there with Manning just from the reunion weekend you know when he was asked about wearing a Colts jersey and he said something along the lines of feels really good to have this on again you know Manning's another guy who's very aware of what he says

and how that's going to be interpreted. So I think there's some part of him that would like to be involved with the Colts again too, but I wonder, and this is pure speculation on my part. I don't want anyone to feel like I'm quoting anybody here or have any inside information. I wonder if Manning's made up his own mind yet he's a he's a pretty calculated guy i think we all know that from watching him around here he's not somebody

who's going to kind of do things rashly or you know do things in kind of the heat of the moment or based on emotion and i'm not sure you know it took him a while to come to the opinion that he was going to retire he was going to step away from the game. I'm not sure he's completely decided yet what he wants that next step to be. And I think that might be part of the process here. It goes to what you were talking about. Does he want to be an owner? You know, there's some potential there, maybe in Tennessee, maybe with another franchise.

You know, does he want to be a front office guy? Does he want to follow in the footsteps of John Elway? And I think that's one thing that a lot of people sort of expect from him because it's a way to stay competitive. It's something we've seen from other players in the past. But I think the question remains, is it something Manny expects from himself? And to me, until that question is answered,

I don't know that you'll see any further movement between him and the Colts. He really has to decide what it is he wants to do and what's the best way to go about that. How's the best way to get there? Because one thing I guarantee, Manning's not going to go into a situation where he's set up to fail. If he does eventually take a role, he's going to be doing it with full confidence that he can succeed because that's who Peyton Manning is. Yeah, and that was exactly what my thoughts were when I was hearing all this. I thought, man, he's only been out of the game for a year.

It was totally my opinion. I'd said it on this program before. I thought that there was a possibility that he might do it, but it seemed way more half-cocked for him to come in this back this quick to take such a major role in a franchise that he literally was just in four years ago and like said there's been some crazy talk uh over the past couple years um but i think a lot of that was taken like i said out, out of context, uh, context, or just taken too seriously or, or otherwise. Um, it's one of those things that you just never

know what's going to happen until it happens. And I'm excited because I feel like Ursae's, uh, uh, failure to, to speak up means that something is happening. He's looking for something, you know, I mean, for God's sakes, everybody's tracking his freaking plane. I mean, going to Houston and then it's the, the, he must be going down there to talk to Gruden. And I just, you know, I thought it was way more plausible that he went down there for an auction. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I mean, it is a good market. Right. Right. I there for an auction yeah you know what i mean

right right i mean the guy well you know just because his plane left and went to houston and gruden happened to be on tv that that day you know i can't imagine i don't know i get i get the connection it just didn't make sense to me um He's a busy guy. Yeah, I think if people tracked his plane ever since that day, they'd be thinking that maybe he was trying to swing a trade for Richard Sherman if it hit Seattle at some point. Who knows? I just think people were reading. The funny part to me was that so many news stations ran with it

because it turned it into, because interesting, of course, connecting the dots there or trying to connect the dots. But yeah, I think that's the whole issue with him not speaking up. We talked about before the longer there's a void or a vacuum there of information, somebody might tweet is going to be fair game in this until somebody comes out and says, this is the direction this franchise is moving in. Yeah, I tend to agree. Well, some crazy times, George, and thank you for spending some time with us tonight. I kept you a little bit longer than I probably should have, but I appreciate your insight. And tell everybody again where they can find you on Twitter and find your work. Yeah, absolutely. At GMBremmer. My work now is a little bit of everywhere, primarily at

haroldbolton.com, but we started the CNHI Sports Indiana Bureau, so 13 papers in Indiana. Logan Sports, one of them. I know that's close to the home for you. Kokomo, Jeffersonville, those are some of the bigger ones. Goshen. So a little bit of everywhere you can find my stuff these days. Very cool. Very cool. I see your stuff syndicated in our local paper all the time. So always a reminder to get a hold of you if I haven't in a couple weeks.

So thank you, George, for stopping by. I appreciate it. And everybody, if you can, get a couple of weeks. So thank you, George, for stopping by. I appreciate it. And everybody, if you can, get yourself to follow George. He's always a very classy guy, always has some great information and thought process that you guys want to be a part of on Twitter and otherwise. Also, subscribe to the podcast. Really would appreciate some ratings and reviews on there.

That always helps get the podcast out there, especially in the offseason for those people who just don't know about it yet or otherwise doing any of that will help the podcast grow, and I would appreciate it. George, thanks again, man. Always fantastic stuff. No problem. Thanks a lot.

Anytime. Absolutely. And I will talk to you guys all tomorrow right here on Locked on Colts. You are locked on Colts, your right here on Locked on Colts. You are Locked on Colts, your daily podcast on the Indianapolis Colts, part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day.