Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - LOCKED ON COLTS 12/16/19: Deep dive into 2020 draft and free agency

Episode Date: December 17, 2019

On today's episode, Zach Hicks of Stampede Blue returns for an episode diving deep into an early offseason preview. What should the Colts do in the 2020 NFL Draft? We walk through Zach's latest mock draft before exploring prospects: Derrick Brown, Javon Kinlaw, Jordan Love, Justin Herbert, Henry Ruggs, Tee Higgins, Laviska Shenault, etc. All of ground was covered, so make sure you don't miss out on detailed conversation about some possible Colts targets.We close the show going through why this is the most important offseason yet for Colts GM Chris Ballard. First off, what decisions need to be made internally? We play a game of re-sign or not featuring all of the Colts' unrestricted free agents. Hint: Not many Colts will be returning outside of a select few. What do you believe is the Colts' best option in free agency? Let us know! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, everybody. Welcome back into Locked On Colts, probably Locked On Podcast Network. Today's audience is your host, Evan Sutter, and Jabari, our weekly guest here on Monday. Zach Hicks, Stanley Blue. How are you today, Zach? Pretty good, man. You know, we haven't had the game this week, so Colts have not lost on Sunday for the first time in quite a while here. So it's been a pretty good week, you know, no loss this Sunday. Yeah, luckily the game, we're recording before the game happens actually on Monday night here. It's been a pretty good week. No loss this Sunday. I want to focus mostly today with you on the NFL draft because, like you mentioned today on your story, it is officially draft season. You had a mock draft today, and I loved your mock draft because I saw Javon Kinlaw go to South Carolina. I was trying to actually watch Tua Tagovailoa tape last week, and I just kept coming back to that South Carolina game.

I focused solely on Javon Kinlaw and just how dominant of a player he is. And you mentioned your story. I'm perfectly in agreement with you there. If you added Kinlaw into this defense, this could be an elite defense pretty fast. Yeah, you know, they really are just a couple pieces away from this defense being, you know, maybe a shutdown corner on the outside and having that dominant presence on the inside

and a guy like Kinlaw. But they're really close. They're closer than what a lot of people realize. So, yeah, adding a guy like Kinlaw in between there and then maybe getting some more development out of Bonnegout and Kamoka Turi come back healthy and maybe Autry bouncing back, which I know that's a lot of what ifs, but that's really not that, you know, that's pretty feasible right there. So yeah, I think adding Kinlaw, if quarterback is not the right option there, adding a guy like Kinlaw would just be a home run pick in the first round.

I mean, he's that good. I know a lot of people are also curious about Derek Brown from Auburn, too, because if you're talking from a Colts fans perspective, I think defense tackle is right up there at the top of their needs if they don't go after like a Javon Hargrave from Pittsburgh, for example, for a switch. I think it's very possible he's only 26 years old, and that's what they kind of want to do here.

But what's your thoughts on Derek Brown, too? And maybe do you think he's even higher on your board than Kinlaw? And how much separation is there between those two guys? Yeah, certainly. I would probably have Derek Brown a little bit higher just because I think he's got even more role strength than a guy like Kinlaw, which is kind of hard to believe. And I think overall, he's a bit more consistent. His pad level is a little bit lower.

He's got a little bit more of a motor right now than Kinlaw. So yeah, I think Derek Brown is probably a top five, at worst, maybe like a top eight player in this draft. So that's why he didn't really go in my mock draft there because I just figured he would go too high come draft day when he nails all the offseason interviews and when he kills the combine. I mean, Derrick Brown is going to be a really good player in the NFL. The only thing that could really make him slip down the draft board is,

you know, positional value if teams don't really value that defensive tackle. So we'll see. Maybe he will be there when the Colts pick, especially the Colts lose out here these last three games. But yeah, he would be a home run pick as well. That's why I have him a little bit higher than Kinlaw, just from his consistency. But, you know, either one of those guys would just be huge for this defense. Yeah, absolutely agree with you there. They're definitely a defensive tackle, and I think Ken Law or Brown would just be monstrous next to guys like Kamoko Torre and Ben Banguang. It turned out to make Colts fans very excited if that happens on draft night.

But let's go over to – I was thinking about that mock draft, too, and the realistic reason is you didn't do a quarterback until round two, but how much consideration are you putting in Jordan Love? Because I think this is the first time we're talking since he officially declared for the NFL draft. I think Colts fans should know it's pretty big news here with all the connections we've known about this guy for the past year or so yeah you know I definitely considered guys like Jordan Love and Justin Herbert in the first round the only reason I

really didn't pick them is just because I was trying to go for some variety here with this mock you know the first two mockers I said weren't Justin Herbert and and Jordan Love so you know the first two mock drafts i went with justin herbert and and jordan love so uh you know this this last one here i wanted to kind of switch it up and and talk about more players because i feel like uh this definitely goes out to the people who are uh commenting on the article too uh you know you know when i do these mock drafts it's not really as me guessing what the colts are going to do we're trying to get every single pick correct it's more just to introduce more prospects to people uh so i didn't go with a quarterback this time in the first because I've already kind of discussed the quarterbacks that might fall out of the Colts in the first round so that's why

you know I wanted to go Kinlaw and then go with a guy like Jake Beeson second round just to kind of have more variety there but I like Eason I like Kinlaw and I think the draft the mock draft at least turned out pretty well going that direction as well. Outside of your mock draft, Zach, just to stay on quarterbacks for a minute, what's your overall thoughts on how much the Colts should consider a prospect like Jordan Love or Justin Herbert in round one? Because I feel like they're going to be really solely in that range unless the best kill the combine and goes up a little bit higher. I really think they're well-positioned to be Jordan Love and also Justin Herbert.

What do you think about those two prospects and their fits here? And do you think the Colts should have it considered or not? Yeah, so I certainly like both players. I mean, Justin Herbert and Jordan Love, I don't think either of them are really ready to play right now in the NFL. But, I mean, they both have so much talent, and they have that kind of gunslinger mentality that we've all really wanted to see out of, you know, guys like Jacoby Brissett.

I mean, we haven't really seen that from him this year, this gunslinger mentality, the force it in tight windows, even if you get intercepted every now and then. Just, you know, having the, I guess, aggressiveness to force the ball down the field. So seeing that in guys like Jordan Love and Justin Herbert, I think definitely gets my interest up. But it all comes down to how Chris Ballard sees it. You know, if he's super interested in one of these guys

and he thinks that they could be, you know, even if they're in the 10% chance that they could be the franchise quarterback, I think that's a chance you've got to take because that's just how the NFL is. You've got to take your chances on quarterbacks. So we'll see if he falls in love with one of these two guys going forward. But I love their upside. I love what they can do on the field.

And I think both would be good fits in the Colts offense, especially during love though. Cause I think his upside is even higher than a guy like Roberts. Yeah, definitely an agreement there too, as well as like, I'm really on that Jordan love train with you. I think a lot of Colts fans are also on now.

Surprised you won that poll I did for the preferred prospects by a really wide margin. So he's definitely piquing their interest. If you're interested in watching him, he actually plays this Friday night, I believe against Kent state for their bowl game so tune in on ESPN for that one but let's move on here Zach to some wider receiver prospects and ones that you'd like for the Colts I want to start off here with Devin Duvernay because we were talking

before off the air about him before in the past and I think he's a player who could really rise up draft boards and I think one that you've mentioned before that could really tick a lot of the box we've talked about before Chris Ballard yeah you know I one of my trusted friends this guy named Justin Gamble uh works for NFL Draft Bible we've been talking for years even though we both had our fair share of misses um he's a pretty reliable guy when it comes to this kind of stuff and him and I were talking about halfway through the year here, and he called Devin DuVernay, he called him like a bigger version of Debo Samuel last year. And, you know, I don't think he's maybe as good as a prospect as Debo, but I think he's close enough to where you could call him maybe a borderline

first round prospect in a lot of draft classes. And we're talking about a guy who's got excellent speed, not the tallest player, but pretty good size. He catches the ball in traffic well. He's really good after the catch, and he just had a monster senior season for a big school in Texas. You know, he had a huge senior season. He's going to be at the senior bowl, and I think he's going to put on a show down there. And then off the field, you know, he's done the community work. He's a team captain. He just checks off almost every single box, especially that a guy like, you know like Chris Ballard looks for in receivers.

I think on the field, he's going to be a big-time threat, short, intermediate, and long game. But I think off the field, he's going to be a good player as well for your locker room. He's definitely maybe not my number one receiver in this class, maybe not even the top five or top ten receiver. But I think when it comes to a guy like Chris Ballard seeing what he likes in receivers and prospects overall I think the Verney is going to check off a lot of boxes for him moving on here to the top of the class and really a realistic range for this Colts team because assuming Jerry Judy and CeeDee Lambert off the board around where the Colts been around that 10 to 15 16 17 range what's your thoughts on these few receivers here?

Henry Ruggs of Alabama, LaVisca Shainal of Colorado, and also T. Higgins of, excuse me, Clemson. What are those three prospects to you, and how would you rank those three? Yeah, so I'll actually go in order of here how I rank them. The first one I'll talk about is Henry Ruggs out of Alabama. I mean, maybe not the most complete receiver in the whole class, but man, the speed is just unreal. And it's not just that speed, you know, it's the quickness in and out of his cuts to kind of break on passes. And he's even a tank over the middle for a guy who's smaller. He can absorb some hits

and keep going. So I think when you combine his speed, when you combine his quickness, his route running ability, and also his willingness after the catch, I think it's hard to ignore how good this guy can be. I mean, I know people throw out the Tyreek Hill comparisons all the time and stuff. Maybe he's not going to be that good or even a T.Y. Hilton type good. But, I mean, I don't know how people are going to cover him in the league with how fast and how elusive and how quick he is.

You know, he was sharing targets there at Alabama, so that maybe his production wasn't as great as other receivers. But I just see potential so high with him just because the NFL is so predicated on speed and he's got that. But going to the next one, I like LaVisca Chenault as my second of the three here. His size, speed, you know, everything. If you could make a receiver in a lab, that's LaVisca Chenault is my second of the three here. His size, speed, you know, everything. If you could make a receiver in a lab, that's LeBiske Chenault. You know, he's got the size, he's got the speed, he's got the strength. I mean, he's a tank after the catch. If he can get the ball in his hands, he's insanely hard to bring down just from, again, his strength and his speed. But he's also physical, too. In and out of his routes, he's very physical going up and getting

passes. So I think that's going to be a huge asset and out of his routes. He's very physical going up and getting passes. So I think that's going to be a huge asset for whatever team takes him. You know, he's got to improve a little bit on his route running, but I think overall his game is pretty solid for the NFL. And then the last one, I like T. Higgins. And, you know, ranking him third out of this group doesn't mean I don't like him as a prospect. I think he's got good size.

I think he's got good hands. I think he's a good, good hands. I think he's a good athlete. I just don't see him as the type of athlete as Chenault or Ruggs. And that limits him a little bit just because, you know, those guys are elite athletes and they have higher potential, but I like T. Higgins a lot. I think he can be a pretty solid wide receiver too in the league. And if a team ends up with him in the first round or early second, I think that they're going to get a good player. So yeah,

all three of those players are really good. And, you know, what we're kind of going to talk about here and all draft season, this is a really good receiver class. Maybe one of the best ones, you know, this past decade or so. So I think either one of these three guys, and even a number of other guys are going to be good picks for whatever team to take them. Speaking of the Colts there from those three guys for a second, if they're on the board, either one of those three, let's say Tee Higgins, Shainal, or Ruggs, let's say in the scenario Ruggs goes earlier, such as Shainal and Higgins on the board, do you think either of those two should be heavily in consideration for Chris Fowler at that point in the draft? Because I know we've talked before about ranking how much of a need receiver is, and it really depends on how the board falls,

but do you think those two would make sense as possible really heavy consideration first round targets for this team with their needs yeah you know the way I put it the other day I think I was talking to someone on Twitter when it comes to those guys I would probably say Kinlaw and Brown I would have over those receivers obviously guys like Jordan Love or Justin Herbert or Tua if he falls to that part but besides those guys I don't know who else I would take over LaVisca Chennault for the Colts. I just think the fit is so perfect for the Colts, you know, because he can win in the low game. He can win short game. He can make big plays after the catch, but he's not a smaller, you know, guy who's going to get injured too much in the NFL. He's had a

couple injuries here in college, but he's not the smaller guy who's going to take some hits. I mean, he's a big, rugged receiver who can also run after the catch. So, yeah, I mean, if LaVisca Chenault's there at, say, 15 or 16, say they win a couple here at the end of the year, and he's there at 15, 16 with Kinlong Brown, you know, maybe has a bad offseason or something like that, yeah, I would definitely consider LaVisca Chenault. And even, you know, even T. Higgins to a degree.

Again, I don't love T. Higgins in this class. I think there's just so many better athletes than him and got some more upside. But, again, I would definitely consider a guy like Higgins because he's got that high floor and he's also a pretty tough receiver. So, yeah, I would love either of those guys to pair with T.Y. Hilton and Paris Campbell going forward. How much of a need is it for this team, Zach, because we really had the chance to see it last year at this 2018 draft,

going all in on defense, really helping Matty Rufus rejuvenize his defense and really make it possibly a top 10 unit over time for the long term. But how big was it for Chris Ballard and Kota to really hit on an offense revival in this 2020 draft where I think they had to spend like 70, at least 70% of their picks on offense here yeah you know it's big uh just because the NFL is so predicated on on winning offensively uh even the teams with the best defenses in football this year I mean we look at the Bills we look at the Patriots we look at a couple other teams that are probably

going to make the playoffs with great defenses and I don't know where that confidence level really is in them just because their offenses haven't been as strong. But then again, then we look at teams like the Ravens, for instance, and they have such a strong offense. We don't know how they're going to be contained. It's just so important in today's NFL to have a good offense. So, you know, Ballard doesn't have to hit home run after home run after home run and make this offense the top two in the league,

even though that would be nice. He just has to get it onto a level where you know it's not lifeless like we've seen it since uh the first texans game because they just have been very porous as a unit on that side of the ball since that first texans game and they definitely need to turn around going into next season yeah i really think i i'm in agreement there too i just think a quarterback's a huge need. Wide receivers in need. Offensive line is in need. There's more depth there as well.

Tight end as well with Eric Ebron. Yeah, that's a really big draft for the Colts offense for the future because the defense kind of said we got Okariki, Rock in this last draft. I think you've got to really go all in on offense in this draft in 2020. But Zach, I want to pivot for a second over to free agency because looking at this 2020 free agency class for a second, from the Colts' perspective, we already got Jack Doyle re-signed. I don't know if we've had a chance to talk about that yet on this podcast.

What was your overall thoughts on Jack Doyle and his free agent signing? Because it seems like a big deal to lock him up long term. Yeah, you know, I think it was a great overall sign. With Jeff, though, you're not getting the flashiest player. You're not getting this great right after catch tight end. Maybe not even a tight end who's going to make big flashy plays at all, but you're going to have

one of the better blocking tight ends in the league who's very reliable and short. Any kind of short situation in that short to intermediate game. And he's going to make plays for your team. So, yeah, I think getting him through what they did and locking him up for multiple years,

I think overall it was just a win for the team. So, yeah, I completely love getting Jack Doyle back on that three-year deal. Yeah, definitely agree with you there on Jack Doyle. He's really shown already the past few years he's the best Colts tight end. I know Ebron got the touchdown last year, but Doyle was the most consistent and the most versatile, and that's what really matters in this Colts offense. But I wanted to play a little, not really

true or false here, but really pick in what's going to happen here with these free agents, Zach. And I'll start off with the Colts unrestricted free agents, and we can finish off the show doing this. First up is Anthony Costanzo. What is your overall thoughts on him and the chance he reaches free agency, and what kind of contract do you expect the Colts to give him if he does come back? You know, I would guess that there's almost a zero percent chance he hits free agency. I don't see the Colts letting him go, especially with their cap situation. There's no

chance that he's going to hit free agency. I mean, even if there's definitely a bunch of opinions when it comes to Costanzo, he's a top 10 tackle in the league, I know some Colts fans would say he's a top 5 tackle. Others would say maybe he's a top 15. Even if he is a top 15 tackle in this league, you have to lock that up because it's just so valuable to have good offensive line play in this league. And Costanza, you know, for the most part of the season has been the second best offensive lineman on this team. So yeah, I think it's just smart to lock him up. And I would expect him to be able to, you know, surpass just Daly the last season.

I think Daly got around $16 or $17 million a year. That might be a little off. But I think he's probably, you know, just given the market and given how strong he's played this year and how strong he's played throughout his career, I think he's going to be, quote-unquote, you know, the highest paid offensive tackle in the league, at least for this offseason. But he definitely deserves it. You know, the highest paid offensive tackle in the league, at least for this offseason. But he definitely deserves it.

You know, he's going to get whatever he gets, if it's $18, $19 million a year, or if it's just, you know, $15, $16 million a year. He's going to get quite a bit, but he definitely earns every bit of it, and the Colts will be liable to pay him all that. Yeah, Costanzo's definitely one of the most underrated tacklers in the NFL, and he's proving this year pro football focus. He has him as one of their top three left tacklers in the NFL. And he's proving this year pro football focus. If we has him as one of their top three left tackles in the NFL, he hasn't really had allowed that much pressure this year.

So Costanzo maybe reaching his physical prime at this point, maybe this final contract does pay off for the dividends he's paid over the last few years, but this is an interesting one, Zach, Devin bunches. Do you think he comes back? And if so, what kind of contract? So I would guess that he wouldn't come back just because I think the Colts are kind of realizing like,, you know, that, hey, this trial year that we were going to give him, you know, betting on a player with his upside, it really didn't work out because of his injury. It definitely sucks. I don't really know.

His market's going to be really weird this offseason because we don't really know what it's going to be. You know, the Colts overpaid a little bit this past offseason to ensure they got him by giving him $12 million over one year. I don't think he's going to get near $12 million. I think maybe in the 6-8 range just because of how teams overpay a little bit for receivers. I hope

he comes back to the Colts on a low deal because I think that he still has some potential. I think that he would be a good fitness offense. I don't know how high the Colts are going to be on him after this kind of one-year trial period didn't really work out. So we'll see. I mean, they definitely have more time to negotiate with him than other teams do because, you know, he is currently on their team. But, yeah, I mean, if he wants more of a team-friendly deal to come back and give it one more go with the Colts, then, yeah, they might bring him back.

But as of right now, I wouldn't assume that he'd come back to the team. Yeah, I'm right there with you, Zach. I think they do let him walk at this point, and maybe they do find his replacement in the 2020 NFL draft. But another intriguing one on the list, and one I focus on almost every other day here because it seems like he's so important to this defense, but he's also up there in age.

He might want a really big contract or really cash out before he really winds down. And that's Jabal Sheard. What's your real thoughts on the Colts keeping him around? You know, I think I tweeted the other day that just as the season is going on, as we're approaching the offseason, the more and more I think about it, the more I probably want to let him walk. You know, if he wants something that's less than the deal he was just on, which would make sense because I think throughout the course of this deal with the Colts where he was

getting I think eight and a half to nine million dollars a year I do think he has regressed overall as a player uh which isn't you know not a horrible thing it's not a knock on him it's kind of what happens when players you know age in this league uh but I do think he's regressed so maybe if he wants around you know five to six million dollars year, I would for sure want him back. But I think, you know, just how the market is for edge players, and he's still a pretty solid football player, I think he's going to get a little bit more than what I would want to pay him. And my biggest drawback really is he does not offer much as a pass rusher anymore.

You know, run defense has been great. His instincts are great. Makes a lot of big plays for this Colts defense. But in the NFL nowadays, you have to be able to get after the passer. And he just has not done that this year. Outside of a couple of flashes here and there with good bull rushes, he doesn't really have that twitch, that athleticism to really threaten offensive tackles anymore. So yeah, I would probably lean towards not resigning him. Obviously, if he wants something around the $4, $5, $6 million

a year neighborhood, I would consider it. But outside of that, personally, I don't think I would pursue bringing him back. At this point, I feel like I can cluster these next three guys together here because I feel like we're going to have the same answer for each one. And it might just be an easy decision for the Colts at this point because it seems like just the relationship for one of them is at least done with this team and also just overall performance-wise for the others. And Eric Ebron, Chester Rogers, and Clayton Giles, do you think there's any chance either of those three guys are back next year? You know, Ebron, personally, I would at least consider trying to bring him back.

But, again, I don't think the Colts are at all. I think he's going to ask for more than what the Colts want to give him. I don't think this was a good year overall for his relationship with the Colts. I think he's going to walk. Chester Rogers, you know, the Colts definitely do like him. We've seen that for the last couple of years. I remember they put a second round tender on him last year, but I think with him being an unrestricted free agent coming up here and also with his struggles throughout the season, with coming off a big injury, I do think it's finally time to move on from Chester.

And then last one you said there was Clayton Gathers, which personally I would have let him walk last year, especially after getting guys like Kari Willis and getting, you know, George Odom getting into his second season. I really like the potential of both those players. So personally with those, you know, with those two along with Lee Cooker, I have three guys I can really trust. I don't really need that kind of with them but again the colts really like it obviously i like them they play them out there quite a bit still even though you know odom and

and willis are playing well right now so we'll see with him but uh personally for me all three of those guys i'd probably let them walk i'd probably lean more towards trying to bring ebron back if it was me running things but I definitely see the Colts letting Ebron, Rodgers and maybe Gathers walk in this offseason. The final two I have for you here Zach and then I'll answer with the final few questions for you before I let you go appreciate time as always man Josh Andrews and Joe Haig what's your thoughts on those two guys because I just feel like it's so hard to tell with backup offensive linemen but I think it'll tell us a lot if they're a draft of the couple offensive linemen to replace those two what's your thoughts on those two guys? I just feel like it's so hard to tell with backup offensive linemen, but I think it would tell us a lot if they were drafted a couple offensive linemen to replace those two.

What's your thoughts on maybe bringing those two utility linemen back for maybe some camp deals? Maybe that wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, you know, it's going to be tough. I think they'll probably look to bring back Andrews at a really cheap deal just because, you know, he's never really played in this league. Also, Reich obviously

likes him. Obviously, the front office kind of likes him a bit, as he beat out Evan Dane last year. So I think they're going to bring back Andrews. I'm pretty confident just because there's not really much tape on him. I don't know how much, you know, I don't think there'll really be like a bidding war or anything for him. But I think Joe Haag is a little bit more interesting because we've seen him play in this league.

We've seen him put up, you know, not great tape at tackle and guard and center even uh but he's put up some pretty solid tape he's been in the sixth utility lineman for the Colts he kind of plays all positions I think there could be some teams out there that you know maybe not look at him as a long-term starter but look at him as a good spot starter until they find you know their future at guard or tackle so I could see him leaving this offseason just because I think there's going to be some other interest from other teams. I don't know how much he would want to come back to the Colts and be their

sixth-offense lineman if other teams are offering him as a starter. So we'll definitely see with Joe Haag, but I do think Andrews will be back this offseason. I think this exercise really proved to me at least the point I was trying to make, Zach, and if you talk about maybe Funchess leaving, Jabal Sheard leaving, Ebron, Rodgers, Gathers, maybe not all those guys give you comp picks, but I think Ebron, Funchess, and Zierge at least maybe fourth round, third round in comp picks for 2021.

And how important is that? Because this Colts team really hasn't had a chance to utilize the strategy New England does, and I think that's where New England really capitalized a lot of draft years. Yeah, but a big thing with the comp picks too, as a reminder, Ballard would have to not sign anybody again, which might get the fan base to get their pitchforks ready. But we'll see.

If he elects to not really attack free, like we've seen these last couple off seasons, yeah, he could probably get some late- know, late round comp picks for those guys. So we'll definitely see what is in store this off season for the Colts and Chris Ballard and what he wants to do with free agency. He's got a lot of room to play. He's got a lot of players, you know, with potential free agents.

He's got a lot of cap space. There's a lot of intriguing names that are going to hit the market. So, you know, it's going to be a big off season for Chris Ballard. Do you think, before I let you go here, Zach, do you think this is the most important offseason ever for Chris Ballard? Yeah, I think you probably have to say that.

You know, obviously finding that head coach, his first offseason, was pretty rough. But, again, that was his first offseason, so it's really hard to have those expectations. I think going into, you know, his year three with the team, going into year four, I guess, with the team, you know, having another good draft class is going to be great for him and also hitting his free agency

and hopefully finding the quarterback of the future for this team. I think this is going to be the most challenging offseason for him for sure. But as we've seen with the coaching situation, with how they at least handled Andrew Luck departing, I think we can put a lot of faith into Chris Fowler overcoming a difficult situation. So we'll just have to kind of wait and see, but, you know, he's one of the best in the business for a reason.

So there's no real reason not to trust, you know, what he's going to do this offseason here. Yeah. That's going to be a very interesting offseason for sure. Appreciate the time as always. Zach, you can follow him on Twitter at Zach Hicks very interesting offseason for sure. Appreciate the time as always, Zach. You can follow him on Twitter at Zach Hicks 2.

Read his work over on Stampede Blue as always. Zach, we'll talk to you again next Monday. Appreciate it, man. Awesome, man. Sounds good.