Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - LOCKED ON COLTS 4/29/20: Thor Nystrom of Rotoworld grades the Colts' draft

Episode Date: April 29, 2020

On today's episode, Thor Nystrom of Rotoworld joins to analyze how he viewed the Colts' 2020 draft class. From Michael Pittman Jr. to Jordan Glasgow, every single pick is placed under Thor's microscope.Pittman Jr. and Jonathan Taylor will have instant impacts in Indy. Taylor might even be Zeke 2.0 behind Indy's o-line, too. Julian Blackmon is a versatile chess piece, while Jacob Eason was perfect value at No. 122 overall.Diving even further into the Day 3 picks, Thor loves himself some Danny Pinter. He's set up well to be the eventual starting right guard in a few years. Also, what does Indy have in Isaiah Rodgers, Dezmon Patmon, and Glasgow?Thor's knowledge was crucial in this one. Learn more about Indy's newest draft picks in this one! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, everybody. Welcome back into your latest episode of Locked on Colts, probably Locked on Podcast Network. Today's host is Evan Sedren, joined by a very special guest today's show, Thor Nystrom of Roto-World NBC Sports. Thor, how are you doing today? Evan, it's great to be here. I'm doing well. I'm glad you are. I always enjoy your draft coverage, Thor. And you actually just released your draft grades, your snap draft grades, earlier on the weekend, early this week, over on Roto-World. But before we dive into the Colts specifically, just what was your thoughts overall on this 2020 draft class as we get further away from them?

I honestly, I was pleasantly surprised. You know, I'll be interested to hear sort of what your take was. But I honestly thought that it was going to be kind of, I don't know if I can swear on the show, but kind of a crap show just because of the pandemic stuff. They had to take it away from Vegas, and it was turned into a remote show and all this sort of stuff. I thought there was going to be technical difficulties, and I thought it was going to be really awkward with Goodell at his house and all this sort of stuff. But, you know, as we got into Friday and stuff like this, I actually found myself enjoying hanging out with Roger Goodell, which stunned me. And then, like, you know, like being inside the coaches and the GM's houses and stuff, like with Mike Zimmer's hunting lodge and Cliff Kingsbury's magazine spread and all this sort of stuff.

Like, I just really enjoyed it. I thoroughly enjoyed myself. cliff kingsbury's magazine spread and all this sort of stuff like i just really enjoyed it i i thoroughly enjoyed myself yeah and i think honestly thor is this something you'd be opposed to moving forward here as far as i know it'd be a lot different with you have the prospects walking up on stage green goodell and everything going to a live city but you didn't really mind this virtual draft did you no i didn't at all you know there was more of the personalities of the people involved baked in than you typically get like we got to see way more of Goodell's personality than we usually do and then like the coaches and the GMs like you got to see them with their kids you got

to see them in their living environments like stuff like that I don't know to what degree they could do that in the future but Goodell had mentioned that you know they'd sort of stumbled on some things that they just you know just because of necessity that they weren't aware of before that it worked that they were going to hope to use in in future drafts so i hope they do learn from this and take some things from it you know i i don't assume they're going to go full remote in the future but i hope they'll take some elements from this that worked um and that we do see some of that stuff because it's it's just cool to see him like you know i'd like to see mike zimmer's hunting lodge again in the future and i'd like to

see i'd like to see cliff it is in his magazine spread and heck roger goodell is the first time he's ever been likable so he might just want to stay in his basement for future drafts as well yeah that definitely was a fun draft i imagine i i enjoyed enjoyed it, and I think everyone else listening enjoyed it. We're going to dive in now really quickly, Thor, going pick by pick through the Colts draft class, your thoughts on it. Really, overall, just a quick overview of this Colts draft class as a whole. What was your thoughts on it? Yeah, so Colts fans are probably going to hate me.

I gave the Colts a D-plus for their draft. I got some crap from Colts fans on Twitter. I will say, though, that this year, last year, just in general, I gave the Colts a D plus for their draft. I got some crap from Colts fans on Twitter. I will say though, that, you know, this year, last year, just in general, I'm basically the hardest draft grader on the internet. I'm not going to name any names, but there's some folks out there when they do grades, they give out basically all A's and B's and B plus says, I don't do that for better or worse. You know, I mean,

some people like that, some people don't, but the way that I do it is every year I give out two A pluses, I give out two F's and the rest of my grades are evenly distributed throughout the spectrum from there. So that means, you know, you're going to get an even amount of, you know, D minuses and A minuses and, you know, everything in between. So, you know, a D plus for on a, you know, on a regular guy's grading thing would probably be about the worst grade he gives out. That's not the case for me. There's, there are several, you know, there's a handful of teams below a D plus in my grading scale. So I want to say that in advance.

I also want to say that there are picks and prospects of the Colts that I like very much. So I just want to make that caveat before we begin. No, I'm glad you did. I know some Colts fans, too. But like you said, Thor, you're one of the more respectful draft peers around. You give out fair analysis to all teams from all spectrums. So I think it's fair to say a D-plus from Thor really isn't that bad on the surface when you dive deeper into it.

But let's dive into the first pick here, Thor. Mike Putman Jr. at number 34 overall, big body target for Phillip Rivers. What did you like about Putman here? Because you're conforming here just with the athletic scores. A Kenny Galladay type I think could really thrive in the system for Indy. Yeah, and, you know, Putman coming out, both in terms of his statistical profile, in terms of his frame, his body of his frame his body and also his testing it it was eerily similar to Galladay coming out like eerily similar if you just put like the

numbers next to each other like all of them eerily similar to Galladay uh 6-4-2-23 uh Pittman tested in the 85th percentile um I ranked him 40th overall in the class. He went 34th, but as the process went along and I watched more of this kid, I started wondering, man, am I too low on him? I wouldn't have batted an eye if he got in the first round, at the end of the first round there. Like I said, I like the pick. He's a guy who during the season, he was sort of getting pegged as a possession guy. And, you know, I think a part of that's because he's really big, he's really physical and he's jacked, you know, kind of like his dad was back in the day. But the more tape you watch to him, and in some of these games, he burned people deep quite a bit. Right. And so like, you know, you'd start to be like, man, is Michael Pittman just a little bit more athletic than I thought?

Or is that just because of the system? You know, because USC, they flipped over to the air raid, you know, last year. And then he goes to Indy and he tests like a banshee of an athlete. And it's like, oh, my gosh, like Michael Pittman's actually a really good athlete. We already knew his ball skills were awesome, that he's got really good hands and all that sort of stuff. And, you know, I mean, he just went off last year. He had 101 catches, over 1200 yards, 11 touchdowns. And prior to that, what people need to understand was he was playing for dopey coaches. He was playing for Clay Helton, T. Martin, like, I mean, like it's gotten a little bit, I mean, Clay Helton's still there, of course, but you know, he, he finally got to get into a system that behooved his, his skillset playing with the air raid and air raid coaches.

So he, he leveled up last year and, and just speaking to the deep ball stuff, his PFF grade on deep balls last year was over 90, which is like elite territory. He's got four or five speed. I'm really intrigued with him. I, I, I think that he's a better player than he was given credit for in college and a better prospect. I really like that pick by Andy. I think the lowest floor for him in the NFL is going to be very,

very good possession receiver. The floor is a really good number two, but I could absolutely see him developing into into a really solid number one guy in the NFL as well do you see I've seen this comp thrown around a couple times so we can just quickly go over this but do you see any sort of like elite like a Michael Thomas type of thing with with Michael Pittman I know they're the big body types they can win inside intermediate routes they have strong. Do you see that type of upside with the Pittman? Maybe he is more of that elite WR one in the future. Maybe we'll see. I mean, like, you know, the Ascension there at the end, it would sort of

indicate that the developmental curve, I mean, like, you know, that, cause that's what you'd sort of be suggesting is that that'll, that'll sort of keep, you know, just sort of skyrocketing up. Um, that's, that is, that would be quite the lofty comparison, which is the only reason that I sort of hesitate against that. You know, I would just prefer to keep it around like the Galladay thing, but I will concede that that ceiling, it might go higher than that for sure. And I could see him doing things, you know, like you said, being able to do things inside, outside, do a bunch of different things, deep, intermediate, short. He can do a lot of different things.

Let's dive in now to your RB1. The Colts moved up just ahead of Jacksonville because they were going to take him as well. Jonathan Taylor, the Wisconsin running back, tested elite in spark and raz. His comp for you is Nick Chubb, 5'10", 226, ran a 4'3", 9 at that size. Just an incredible athlete that Jonathan Taylor is. The Colts are building a bully now if you throw Jonathan Taylor behind Quentin Nelson, Thor. Yeah, yeah.

What a match, you know, with Indy's run-blocking line and then putting, by far, by margin, the class's best pure runner behind it. This is going to be really fun to watch this sort of coalesce and it's going to be interesting to see how fast Taylor can overtake Marlon Mack and I know a lot of fantasy guys are are sort of like you know thinking about this and and stuff like that and you have the camp of like Marlon Mack super underrated he's gonna be able to hold him off and you know other folks are sort of going the other way with that but i'm a huge fan of jonathan taylor's like i said best pure runner in the class by far you mentioned it was about 90th percentile tester um they're at you know

at 5 10 226 and just an elite athlete he you know he proved his 4-3 speed in indie um he also has a 605 pound squad at 305 pound power clean. Like he's super duper strong, breaks a bunch of tackles. And when he gets in the open field, you're not going to, you're not going to catch him. So the three things that he got knocked for during his evaluation, fumbles, the passing game stuff, and he got used a bunch at Wisconsin. But I thought that those three things were that he got nitpicked too much for that stuff. The fumbles, in part, was because of the usage. He got the ball a ton more than these other kids, right?

I mean, like, DeAndre Swift didn't get nearly the touches that Jonathan Taylor did, right? And so, like, if you look at the fumble rate, you know, it's not as much as, like, you know that just the pure you know the pure number or whatever and then as far as the passing contributions and stuff in the third down stuff stuff like that his taylor's first two years on campus first and second down wisconsin they have this pro style vanilla offense it was basically first and second down they just gave him the ball every single time hand off the taylor hand off the taylor hand off the taylor third down they had to take him off the field.

You can't give the teenager the ball every single time, right? And so then he would come off the field basically every single time on third down, and they had a receiving back, a third down back. That was just sort of the rotation that they had. Last year, heading into his junior year, there must have been some sort of discussion between Taylor and the coaching staff where Taylor was like, guys, I'm reading all my NFL draft early evaluations, and everybody's saying that I can't catch the ball, but that's because you guys don't throw it to me. You don't keep me out there on third downs. You have to throw me the ball some this

year. And they did a little bit um last year um he had 26 catches last year after he had only had 16 the two years before that combined so that was good he also had five receiving touchdowns last year so that was a really good sign as well so you know i mean and like you know leonard fournette was another guy that he had gotten calm to when fournette came out they said he couldn't catch the ball either. He had like 70 catches last year. So some of that stuff I feel like is, is slightly overblown. I don't think he's ever going to be like, never going to be the best receiver in the world,

but it's not to say that he can't do it. And also the NFL is becoming a specialized league too. So even if, you know, even if he never becomes the greatest receiver in the world, he already has his special sauce, you know, again, the best peer runner in the class. And I think he's going to become one of the better pure runners in the NFL as well. That's just what he does. So the nitpicking stuff, I thought it, you know, it went a bit far. The stuff to really talk about with him last year is number three in the country

with 87 forced tackles, number two in the country with 15-plus yard carries. And this was not a kid in an up-tempo spread offense, you know, like J.K. Dobbins was, you know, running next to Justin Fields like a dual-threat quarterback. Like, again, Taylor was in this vanilla condensed offense where all the defenses were keying on him. So, you know, I mean, it just is what it is. Like, I love the kid. I love his game.

And I also thought that that was a really nice pick. I thought Taylor was the best back in the class. For me, again, a lot of the things that were brought up about his game, I thought that they were more nitpicky, whereas some of these other backs in the class, they had legitimate sort of holes in their game that weren't discussed as much. So, anyway, thumbs up on that pick for me. Really quickly, Thor, just on the Taylor fit to Indy specifically,

I'm looking back at some running backs drafted pretty high in the first few rounds the last couple of years. Obviously, you can talk about Clyde Edwards and Lair being a perk to the Kansas City, but just pure power runners. I can't imagine that there's a better fit with Taylor to Indy maybe than Ezekiel Elliott to Dallas. I mean, they added a Lee offensive line, line he stepped in from day one and helped them you're obviously seeing less of a workload for Jonathan Taylor this year with Marlon Mack still

around for another year but I can't envision just a better scenario for Taylor he can right away become just a monster running back kind of offensive line without Bill I I think that that's a great sort of um you know styl stylistic or situational or contextual comp. Absolutely. I mean, like, you know, Dallas went out and got Elliott because they already sort of had this hammer of an offensive line and sort of similar to PFF in the way that I view them with regards to draft equity, where I tend to, you know, push them down a little bit. But like with Taylor, again, I had him as the number one back in the class. I ranked him higher than other folks that I had him as the 47th overall player in the class. The Colts got him at 41, and I think a part of this had to do with, you know, some of these nitpicks about his game. You know, whereas Edwards Hilaire was really, really skilled, you know,

skilled as a receiver, but Edwards Hilaire has 4'6 speed. You know, he's not as good inside the tackles. You know, he's not nearly as good of a pure runner. DeAndre Swift, he's not nearly as good of a, of a pure runner. Um, Deandre Swift, he's not nearly the athlete, you know, he's a smaller guy and he's not a super duper dynamic receiver. And, you know, people are like, Oh, Deandre Swift, you know, receiver, receiver, he's not like a crazy dynamic receiver. Um, he's just sort of above, like if you looked at a report card at Deandre Swift's game, it's like a B or a B plus sort of across the board, but there's no A's.

Whereas, like, Jonathan Taylor has, like, four A-pluses on his report card, and then he's got, like, a couple of C-minuses and a D-plus. But you can mitigate around that, and those things might, you know, be able to play up, like I said, like the passing game stuff. You can either take them off the field with it, or you can see if you can develop that stuff so again I like the pick and I like the point that you're making in this situation behind that offensive line he might go off I mean you could talk about a guy that could start very very quickly you know in the NFL you know I'm not talking about just starting on the team I'm talking about like

starring quickly yeah that could be a really fun pick right there Jonathan Taylor long-term Indianapolis makes an awful lot of sense there third round pick though they traded back 10 spots they recouped the fifth round pick they traded for with Cleveland for Jonathan Taylor Julian Blackman the safety out of Utah very versatile played cornerback as well for the Utes in the past the 184th right player on your boardback as well for the Utes in the past. Your 184th ranked player on your board went 85th overall towards ACL late in the process of December during the Pac-12 title game. For those who aren't really familiar with Blackman, Thor, because he wasn't obviously a part of the combine or any events after that,

what's the player of the Colts you're getting in Julian Blackman? Yeah, I thought it was a little bit of a reach, but that being said, I understand what the Colts are doing here because what Blackman, like you mentioned, he's versatile, number one. And two, what he's good at is coverage. You know, what he's not good, he's more of a finesse guy, you know, back there. He's more of a finesse type safety. He's not, you know, he's not a Ronnie Lott.

He's not going to, there's he's he's not you know he's not a Ronnie Lott he's not gonna there's gonna be no you know he's not gonna knock any woods helmet off you know across the middle or whatever um but you know last year he held um you know like on the targets into his zone or whatever he held opposing um it was like a six 61.9 uh opposing QB rate on targets into his zone, picked out four balls, only gave up one touchdown. And he's just solid in coverage. That's just sort of his game. But he's not going to help you out much in the run. You know, he lacks play strength, stuff like that. That's what you're getting. You know, you're getting a guy that can be versatile. He's going to be able to come up in the slot. He's got good hands. He makes plays on the balls.

I mean, those four interceptions came on only 26 targets. He is a ball hawk. So, I mean, yeah, he dropped down the board a little bit because of that injury. You know, like you're saying, he had that late-season knee injury. You have to know what you're getting in a guy like that you know and obviously indianapolis believes that he's healthy they're comfortable with that they're also comfortable with you know his limitations you know i i think some people maybe myself included viewed him as something of a tweener because you're talking about a kid who's 5 11 187 that's a safety, right?

Like, you know, or a slot guy or like, you know, it's like you're sort of like, eh, you know, he's definitely not going to help with the run if you got him back there. You know, you sort of go both ways with it. But what he is going to do is he's going to help your coverage team one way or the other, you know, wherever you got him. So in that respect, you know, I saw what they were doing. Moving on to our next pick here, this is going to be a really interesting discussion, Thor. Jacob Eason at 122 overall.

His slide ended on early day three, going to the Colts. It's going to be quarterback three next year. Chris Bowden and Frank Reich already have talked about that Jacoby Brissett will be the entrenched backup next year. So Jacob Eason will not see the field at all next year if there were to be an injury to Phillip Rivers. You're not that high on honesty. And I know a lot of people aren't really, Thor. You compared to Christian Hackenberry.

Obviously, the traits are there. You have the elite arm talent. You have the size. But a lot of red flags to talk to Parse over the guy, Jacob Eason. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I thought after the draft, you know, whoever I would be talking to about Jacob Eason,

I would be shredding the team for taking a bite. I actually can't do that here. I rank Jacob Eason just about as low as I think anyone in the industry. I ranked him quarterback eight. I've been comping him to Hackenberg 2.0 since last summer I was doing it at the combine you know when everyone was talking up Eason and I was just like what are you people seeing like you know have you watched his tape and I have a colleague Derek Klassen at Roto World who does he does QB charting you know where he watches like every play like of the

season and stuff like that and I told him to pull up uh Eason's charting and I was looking through the thing and he has like you know on target passes or you know whatever and all this stuff and like with Eason's there was you know when you looked at the bad teams or whatever everything was on the money and when you looked at like his his stuff against the good teams that everything was just off you know and it was like yeah that makes sense um but all of that stuff being said i ranked him 126th overall because of the skill set it was hard even hold on a second sorry about that um um just because of the physical skill set it's hard to rank him any lower because he is that five-star kid you know he's he's 6'6 231 and he's got a bazooka and so even though to me for reasons I'll explain in a second there's an enormous risk profile you know when when people were saying he's

a potential first round pick you know for sure he's going to be a day two pick you know probably in the second round you know I was just like just like, that's a joke. But again, even despite that, I, you know, I had to rank them 126 just on this theoretical upside. Well, the Colts got them 122nd. That's fine. That, that is fine value. That's in fact, that's, that's pretty solid value. You know, so, you know, as far as Easton's game itself what don't I like about him um when you look at Easton's tape again when he's playing bad teams he rips them apart so against Eastern Washington Hawaii BYU Arizona um and then and then the one decent team he he played well against last year was Oregon in those games he had a had a 15-to-1 TDI and T ratio.

Against the rest of the schedule, the TDI and T ratio was 8-to-7. So that's just in terms of the split of opponents. But if you go deeper than that, where it really gets bad for him is when it's no pressure against pressure. So when he has clean pockets, he's one of the nation's best quarterbacks. When he doesn't, he's literally one of the worst. So against no pressure, he had a PFF grade last year of 91.7, which is like elite territory.

Against pressure, when he was facing pressure, under pressure, 37.6, which is sub-awful. That is one of the biggest discrepancies of pressure, no pressure grade that I have ever seen, and that is what evoked Christian Hackenberg for me, both when I watched Jacob Eason and also looking into his grades. Again, when he's got the clean pocket, he's awesome. He's going to make some throws that you don't see other guys making this class outside of maybe justin herbert that you know the the arm strength is is such that that's the case um but when you know under pressure he makes some bizarre decisions and the accuracy waivers. That's just what it is. Now, again, where the Colts took him, you can take that chance.

And like you said, he's going to be the third quarterback. Sit him for a year, sit him for a couple years, and just see. There's a shot that you can sort of coach him out of that. Do I think it's a high chance? No, but it's a fourth-round pick, right? Like, we know that he has the physical skill set because he's got that arm. God only gave so many people the ability to uncork the ball 75 yards without breaking a sweat.

Like, you got him for a fourth round pick. If it doesn't work out, who cares? You know, cut the kid. Like, it just doesn't matter. Like, it's a fourth-round pick. This isn't a first-round pick or a second-round pick. At that spot, that is totally fine that the upside even if there's only a 10 20 chance he hits it that is totally juice worth the squeeze the the equity is fine because if he does hit it it's worth multiple

first round picks i mean you know that's sort of the way that you have to think about it it's you know like it's sort of like a lotto ticket or whatever. So I was totally fine with that pick, even though I don't like him as a prospect, if that makes sense. That definitely does. And the fourth round, even Chris Fowler mentioned it, a fourth round great on Jacob Eason. They went with their board, and there is no risk at all.

He's going to be making $4 million in the next four years, so if he doesn't pan out, he's a cheap backup, and he can move on pretty quickly after that. But this is one of my favorite picks for the Colts in the draft. Their next pick here, Thor Danny Pinter, a local kid out of Ball State, very athletic guard tackle prospect. He'll play guard for the Colts. Former tight end as well at Ball State just a couple years ago.

I think he fits very, very well in the zone blocking scheme. If you want to have pullers like Quentin Nelson, Pinter can get out wide and help you out there as well. Your comparison was Joe Thune, which got me really excited. Yeah, man. Yeah. This is a guy who flashed for me. Like when I was digging into guys right after the combine, when I started to get into the interior class, I was like, who is this kid? The testing was there. The PFF grading was there. And then when I watched him, it's like, man,

this kid moves around really well too. And it's like, why aren't other people talking about him? I was like, there's something to this Danny Pinter kid. He's smart. He's tough. Again, the athletic profile is there. He moves around well on the field. Like you said, former tight end. He's added a bunch of weight since he got onto campus. I think he's added like 50 pounds. The one thing that he struggles with and he will struggle with going forward, it's going to be power. But like you said, the movement skill is tremendous. And projecting him to the zone scheme, that's where he needed to end up.

And that's where his game is going to play up. I think he's going to be a good zone interior alignment and just go into last year, 91.2 PFF grade overall and 90.9 against, or sorry, in run blocking. So he was showing that he can move people, you know, and just in terms of that,

the guy in front of him. So there was a lot of different things within his profile that I liked him in particular, you know, going to Ind of that the guy in front of him so there was a lot of different things within his profile that I liked and in particular you know going to Indy showing that kind of stuff there's a lot of intriguing things about his profile so I agree with you man he was a guy especially like in a super weak interior class like you know after Ruiz after Robert Hunt like some of those guys up there there was a lot of question mark guys or else guys who had very limited athletic ceilings Pinter was one of those guys like later on there was very few of these guys where they were interior guys who had higher ceilings there weren't a ton of

guys like that that were going to be available later on he was one of the few so I I give the thumbs up to that one. I like that pick. Chris Bowden even mentioned on his post-draft press conference to the media that they were trying to trip for a long time to get Danny Pinter, even in the round four. So they definitely love the prospect. I think it makes a lot of sense to replace Mark Lewinsky long-term as the right guard in a couple of years. But let's move on to the next pick here. One of your better value picks on the board here, Thor. Robert Winster, your 169th rated prospect, goes 193 of the Colts here. And I think he's an energetic three-tech who's going to bring a lot of juice to this defensive line as a rotation piece. Yeah, absolutely. And you said

it, man. I mean, you know, he was a three-technique the last couple years at Penn State. He's also a guy that lost a lot of weight, you know, past couple of years, I think he lost 25 pounds, you know, dropped down to six, four to 90. I believe he went later than maybe we thought he was going to go, you know, earlier on in part because his senior stats dropped off. But what I would tell people, I tell people a couple of things, his, his, if you look at his PFF pass rushing grade last year, it's a lot better than his counting stats give him credit for.

Like he had a grade over 80. He was winning more reps than, you know, again, than like, you know, getting home and stuff like that, you know, especially like with the sack numbers in his, you know, TFL numbers and stuff like that. Against the run he needs to improve, you know, TFL numbers and stuff like that. Against the run, he needs to improve, you know, both on tape and in his grading. He has issues there, but they're not strength issues. In fact, he's good in both terms of strength and in terms of frame.

Like, he is an extremely strong dude, and he also has the frame to add more bulk. So those things are not issues. he's got some technique issues though there though and some discipline issues you know where he'll get outside of his gap and stuff like that um but he he's got good movement skills like i said he's got that frame um can add more weight and stuff like that um i think coming in initially um you're talking about a guy who could be a backup or come in, you know, as part of a rotation. But I think that there is some upside there, you know, certainly a guy who's very intriguing as far as a developmental guy. Next pick on the board here for the Colts, they have three straight late round six picks.

And this is for Isaiah Rogers of UMass, a really unknown prospect. I didn't really know much about Thor. You had him ranked on your board as a 61 rated corner, a very good special teams kick returner. I think he makes a lot of sense in that aspect for Indy. But any quick thoughts on Isaiah Rogers? Yeah, I didn't do a ton of work on him outside of, let's see. Let's see, I'm trying to find him in my database. Yeah, definitely not much on him because I even had some struggles finding him outside of a few highlights myself. Yeah, he did not make my Thor 500 board.

But I do have him. I did have him later on, and I have him in my database here. I'm looking up what I got have him. I did have them later on and I have them in my database here. I'm looking up what I, what I got on him. Yeah. Five, 10, one 70 reportedly ran a four to eight 40 yard dash at his pro day there.

So a lot of speed. That's what the Colts really like. They have thresholds there as far as arm length, weight, height and speed for DBS, but they made an exception there. Chris Bauer mentioned Thor about Isaiah Roberts just because of his elite speed, and they feel like he'd be a valuable piece in the return game.

But a really underrated piece. They traded this pick for Quincy Wilson. He went to the Jets with their 211th overall pick. So he will come in and replace Quincy Wilson right away as the fifth-sixth defensive back here. Yeah, you know, to be honest, he fell beneath my threshold to dig into his tape he didn't he didn't get on uh to my 500 but he you know just as far as like his his analytic stuff was enough to just

sort of fall into my the bottom end of the the cornerback stuff where he got on my 61st cornerback so you know it's just like down there he had a PFF coverage grade last year at 65.5, which wasn't the best. He does fill up against the run, but yeah, I mean, he's a small kid. Like you said, you know, as far as like the run stuff, you know, what he ran, they must've seen something in him. I, you know, I had a lot of cornerbacks that were, that were ranked higher than that. He was one of the only guys on my 500 board that got drafted – or, sorry, that wasn't on my board that got drafted.

Was kind of a surprise for me, to be honest. But, yeah, I kind of questioned that one, to be honest. But, yeah. Yeah, definitely Isaiah Ryers is going to be an intriguing pick. We'll see how that pans out for this Colts team. But next on your list, 2-12 overall for this Colts team. Like I mentioned, three straight picks in the sixth round. They went with Washington State wideout Desmond Patman, another big body type.

They had Mike Pittman round one at 6'4". But Desmond Patman ran 6'4", he's 2'25", and he ran it faster for them than Michael Pittman here. An intriguing late round prospect for this Colts team if they want to make the roster yeah yeah pitman is interesting um you know pitman's a guy i saw a lot at washington state um you mentioned that he's big he's athletic and he's got really big hands he also uses his body well good in contested situations um the the one thing i'll say though is i i was i have to say that I was a little bit surprised that he tested as well as he did he doesn't play as athletic as he tested

I didn't see that kind of burst or speed or suddenness when I was watching him but that being said I saw enough at Wazoo both in terms of what I saw in the Wazoo, you know, both in terms of, you know, you know, what I saw in the field and with his movement, with his frame, like the way that he uses his body, like the ball skills. I thought that he could turn into a possession guy in the NFL for sure.

And especially after I saw, you know, him test, you know, where it's like, oh, you know, Patman's got a little bit more juice than I thought. So I like that pick, you know, as far as a late round flyer goes. And, I mean, you talk about a guy 6'4", 225. You know, if I'm the Colts, I'm thinking, man, if this guy, if we could just get him into the weight room a bit and we could, you know, get him drinking some of Ben Bartsch's protein shakes. Like if he just gained 15 pounds or so,

could we turn him into a move tight end? You know what I mean? At that athleticism, like, I don't know, man, that'd be kind of interesting. You brought that up Thor and I absolutely love that idea. I mean, you can play the Eric Ebron role in a couple of years. That makes a lot of sense if he develops in that route. I think that makes really a ton of sense, and I love that you brought that up, Thor. Last pick for us we're going to analyze for you before I let you go today.

Jordan Glasgow of Michigan, a linebacker. They said he's going to be a top-special teams player for the Colts. He won't really play much on defense, but maybe like a Nate Ebner type that we saw in New England for seven, eight years as a top-special teams player. That's kind of what the Colts are going with Glasgow. You said it, man. Yeah. I mean, you said it. That's, that's what I saw. That's the reason that I ranked him. That's what it is. Now he,

he did start last year for Michigan, but I don't think that he has the athleticism to start or to, to even be like a big part of the rotation in the NFL, but fabulous special teams player. to start or to even be like a big part of the rotation in the NFL, but fabulous special teams player. And that's the reason that he got drafted. The Michigan staff raves about him, you know, both in terms of character, but very specifically for his work on special teams.

And when you're picking late there, taking a flyer, I mean, you know, you could just sort of take a stab on a very low probability guy with, you know, projectable, whatever. Or you could take this guy where you know that he's going to be able to do, like, sort of like Liam Meese. And he has a very particular set of skills. Like, Glasgow coming in, you know he's going to be very good at, you know, these various things. Or he's going to be able to play on, you know, multiple different special teams. You know, he's going to be on various units there, and he's going to be a standout on them. So bringing him in to be a special teams banshee over the course of his very cheap rookie contract, it makes a ton of sense.

I think he's in very short order going to become one of Indianapolis' best special teams players. Just keep him as that. That's what he'll do, and I'm sure he'll just be an emergency backup linebacker, but that's fine, you know. Thor, this was so much fun. I appreciate going on a little longer than we expected here, diving into all nine picks for the Colts. And go follow him on Twitter, if you have not already,

at Thor2, and go read his work over at Road to World NBC Sports. Thor, appreciate the time as always, man. Dude, thanks so much. Good being with you.