Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - LOCKED ON COLTS 5/28/20: What if Andrew Luck never retired?

Episode Date: May 28, 2020

On today's episode, Kevin Bowen is back as What If Week continues on with a new scenario. What if Andrew Luck never retired from the NFL? Not only does it change the fortunes for Colts football, but Luck's legacy continues to grow nationally.Luck carried one of the worst roster in football to three straight 11-5 seasons his first three years in Indy. However, when he initially injured his shoulder in 2015, it was the first seed planted to what eventually happened in August, 2019.How would the Colts have done in 2019-20, and throughout this decade with Luck under center? With Chris Ballard and Frank Reich aboard, it's fair to say Luck goes on to have massive success. Bowen mentions Luck likely wins at least one Super Bowl and MVP, if he continued on with the current roster surrounding him.This is a massive what if scenario, and one that would have changed everything for Indianapolis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This certainly isn't how I envisioned this or planned this, but I am gonna retire. This is not an easy decision. Honestly, it's the hardest decision of my life. But it is the right decision for me. For the last four years or so, I've been in this cycle of injury, pain, rehab, injury, pain, rehab, injury, pain, rehab. And it's been unceasing and relenting, unrelenting both in season, both and off season. And I felt stuck in it.

And the only way I see out is to no longer play football. It's taken my joy of this game away. Hello, everybody. Welcome back into your latest episode of Locked on Colts, part of the Locked on Podcast Network. Today's host, Evan Sider, and joined by a very special guest today's show. It's a continue our What If Week on the podcast, Kevin Bone of 107.5, 1070 The Fan.

Kevin, how are you doing today? Doing good, Evan. How are you doing, man? Doing great. I appreciate coming for this one. This could be a doozy for our listeners here for our What If Week. And Andrew Luck, I know it's maybe raw for some Colts fans still out there. It's less than a year since it happened. But what could have been if Andrew Luck never retired and if his injuries didn't catch up with him?

But before we dive into that, Kevin, you watched Andrew Luck's whole career up close in person. What was it like just watching a talent like Andrew Luck, and then at the very end there you just saw his body breaking down? Yeah, I mean, those first couple seasons, just the impact that he made on that football team, and to walk into those shoes. You know, I feel like sometimes we overlook, you know, the situation that he had to walk into of a guy that had meant so much

and still means so much to the city of Indianapolis and Colts Nation in general. And to be the number one overall pick, you know, to of a guy that had meant so much and still means so much to the city of Indianapolis and Colts Nation in general. And to be the number one overall pick, obviously just that itself means a lot. But then also to replace one of the more iconic sports athletes ever to an individual city, that's a whole nother level. And I thought Luck handled that really well. I always thought he grasped playing the quarterback position and what it meant really well. He understood the responsibilities that come on and off the field of being the quarterback of an NFL team and obviously being the son of Oliver Luck and, you know, being close even to the Manning family when he was growing up plays into that. But he also had a great grasp on just trying to be one of 53 guys

in that locker room and still resonate, you know, with players on both sides of the ball, you know, veterans, rookies, things like that. And he earned the respect very quickly from Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Andrew – or Reggie Wayne. I mean, that's not easy to do. But he did that from day one. And obviously when you start with 11 wins and 11 wins and 11

wins, it's pretty easy to do that as well. So that probably stands out the most to me. Obviously, I'm sure we'll talk about the injuries and coming back and all those things. But really, it was the early impact that he made on a football team that had no business, you know, being an 11 win football team, let alone with an interim head coach. That really resonates with me. Yeah, and that's a really good point, Brant, there about Andrew Luck because those teams I mentioned before on the podcast, easily I think a bottom five roster in the NFL the first years of his career.

And the ability to drive that team to 11 wins and be a playoff team and continue to at least go further in the playoffs every year they reach the AFC title game before they went 8-8 the year prior, or the year after that. I think it just goes to show just how much of a generational talent Andrew Luck was. I know Peyton Manning, of course, is a generational talent, but hopefully he doesn't get lost in history, Kevin, that even though Andrew Luck, one of the accolades that guys like Peyton Manning did,

he had a shorter career, of course, but the ability to drag a roster like that was just really a one-man band. He had a young T.Y. Hogan at that point point so he hasn't really developed that much yet just pretty incredible man yeah and you know when you think about it um you know obviously robert mathis was still at a very high level that 2013 season leading the league in sacks but you know when when reggie wayne tears his acl midway through that season. That was a huge loss for that football team, and you weren't getting the impact maybe from those 2013 free agents that you thought you were going to get from an immediate standpoint,

and it wasn't an 11-win talented roster by any means. Obviously, the 2013 draft class wasn't impacting you in a big way. So, I mean, outside of a Vontae Davis in 2014, a Mathison 2013, a Wayne in 2012, there just wasn't multiple, you know, four or five guys that were playing at, you know, perennial Pro Bowl levels during that time. And, you know, honestly, I thought one of the biggest differences between, you know, Peyton Manning's early tenure and Andrew Luck's early tenure was, you know, Peyton Manning's playing with a Hall of Fame wideout, you know, a couple Hall of Fame running backs at different times, and Andrew Luck's walking into a team that,

you know, doesn't have those sorts of talents in the prime of their careers, and yet here are the Colts going, you know, 11-5 getting into the wild card. And then the next season it's 11-5 and, you know, beating the Chiefs in that crazy comeback. And then the next year it's, you know, 11-5 and getting all the way, you know, to the AFC title game. You know, it took Peyton Manning six years to win his first playoff game. And the Colts were able to not only get into the postseason with Andrew Luck, but have that success of winning three playoff games, including one away from home in those

first three seasons. I feel like at times we overlooked that, like what Patrick Holmes is doing and even Lamar Jackson's doing that. That's not typically the norm for young quarterbacks and certainly wasn't for Peyton and those early Colt teams. They were even six and 10 in one of those early seasons and just didn't have the January success. I mean, blown out by the Jets, you know, losing to the Titans at home

in that second season as well. So, obviously, luck never got to the pinnacle of what Manning eventually got to. But those early years to taste the playoff success, not only get there, but actually do some damage in the playoffs, that wasn't what Manning did early in his career. What I think is really interesting, too, is comparing Manning to Luck for a second, their quarterback ability, and especially in the early parts of Luck's career, just how unique was it to watch Luck and his ability to just move around the pocket, his footwork, his ability to roll outside the pocket and make plays with his legs. That wasn't something Peyton could ever do. And

the ability Andrew Luck had, even with a forced offensive line, to continue to do that week after week, I think is a really underrated special trait comparing it to Peyton Manning, because I don't think Peyton had that in his arsenal really that much. No, not at all. Yeah, I mean, Peyton has moved about as much as that statue in front of Lucas Oil Stadium moves. And Andrew Luck is a guy that ran 4.6 in the 40-yard dash. I mean, it's not like we didn't know that about him, but it was needed because he played behind a patched-work offensive line throughout really his entire career until about, you know, a month into that 2018 season when they finally were able to settle

on the starting five that we still see now today for the Colts here going into 2020. So he kept so many plays alive in those first couple of seasons and just some Houdini-like characteristics to his game where, yes, he took some chances, but at the same time, playing behind the Winston Justices and the Seth Olsons and the Mike McGlins and Sam Seth Olsons and the Mike McGlins and Samson Satellis of the world, and then missing on the draft picks of Collin Holmes and Hugh Thornton

and those situations obviously contributed to his early retirement. But his ability to keep plays alive, Peyton Manning behind, that offensive line has nowhere near the sort of success that Andrew Luck did. And obviously some credit should go to Howard Mudd, and the Colts did a nice job protecting Peyton early on, knowing that he didn't have the escapability that a guy like Luck did. Yeah, I think that's really a unique part of Andrew Luck's game.

And, son, I know Colts fans will cherish as we get further and further away from Luck's career because he was really a true generational talent. But what moments stand out to you most, Kevin, from Andrew Luck's career, if you have a few to mention to the listeners out there? Because there was plenty, even in the early parts of his career, where I remember the Detroit game in 2012 or 2013, where he drags that team down from double digits, and they come back in the last seconds of the game,

throw a touchdown to Donny Avery in the end zone. There was those moments where Luck really truly had the ice in his veins, that clutch gene that really was rare. Yeah, I mean, that one stands out for sure. I still remember the touchdown before the Donny Avery one, the one to LeVon Brazil that was probably a 40-ish yarder into the end zone, which kind of started the comeback. Obviously, everyone remembers the the playoff

comeback against the Chiefs and you know the ball he threw to Hilton you know the fumble recovery on Donald Brown when Donald Brown you coughed it up with Eric Berry hitting him on the goal line it's just such an instinctual play just I think went to show you how much luck did love the game of football for a long long time I think the Green Bay game when Chuck was sick in 2012, week five, I believe, come back from the bye week. You know, Reggie Wayne was incredible in that game, over 200 yards receiving. Luck took the biggest hit of his career.

He would say that. Nick Perry just blasted him in that game. And yet the fact that he got up from that and, you know, led a huge comeback against, I think Green Bay was in the Super Bowl the year before, if I'm not mistaken, was pretty darn amazing as well. So, you know, those are some of the games that really stand out to me. I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple as well, but those are really a few of the games that stand out to me. I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple as well, but those are really a few of the games that

stand out to me the most. Now looking into Luck and maybe the beginning of the end, so to say, as we look at his injury history here on the show, Kevin, the first one that we should point out, and really I think what caused it all, the domino effect, was week three, 2015, in Nashville, he gets hit, and then we see on the sidelines on CBS, Matt House tries to tap him on the chest saying, good job. And he winces in pain there. We don't really know what that was. He luck, as we all know, kept things pretty coy at the media about his injury history.

And as did the Colts, we didn't find that out that was actually the shoulder injury until a year and a half later in 2017, when luck finally admitted, that was when he first injured his shoulder. What do you think just that those moments with his shoulder and then in 2016, if he goes to Colorado Springs, his AC joint, his throwing shoulder, it just seems like that was, those are the moments where it just seemed like eventually down the road,

we all know how Andrew Luck is as a person that might have come back to Haunam later on. Yeah. I think if Luck had to do it all over again, he wouldn't have been as stubborn after that 2015 season. He would have had surgery on the labrum then, He rehabbed throughout that 2015 offseason. And I guess now that you say that, going back to that week three game in Tennessee, I mean, the Colts are staring at 0-3 start right in the face. And Luck makes a great throw to Philip Dorsett, who honestly makes a terrific individual play, going up and getting it to make that play. And you're able to come back in Tennessee when, like you said, Jarrell Casey

hits him there and he's able to overcome all that. I think he missed the next two games, if I'm not mistaken. And then ends up lacerating his kidney later in the year and misses the rest of the season. But I think that was probably the first. You know, if luck again had to get one back, it would be having a surgery then, not relying on the rehab. He comes back in 2016, plays every game besides one. He has a concussion and doesn't play on Thanksgiving against the Steelers. But still, the inability to practice day in and day out during that 2016 season

really bothered him. And I just think the wear and tear of that year led to him having surgery in January 2017 and then rushing back a little bit as well. And the rest is history, as they say. So I think going back on it, if Luck could do something over again, it would probably be electing to have surgery right then after that 2015 season, knowing full well all the years that he had ahead of him. And hopefully, if he's able to do that and be a little bit more patient

during his rehab, potentially he still could have played in that 2016 season. But certainly from a long-term stance, it would have allowed him to have, in my opinion, a much longer career. Before we continue on here with our latest Wooded episode with Kevin Bowen of 1070 The Fan, talking about Andrew Luck and what could have been with his career if the injuries didn't pile up on him and he maybe had a better structure around him, we're reminding you guys about our sponsor today's show, the best tasting protein bar ever, which is Bilt Bar. Bilt Bars are very tasty. It's a protein bar that tastes just like a candy bar with 16 amazing flavors with eight

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Looking at Andrew Luck's injury history for a second, torn cartilage in two ribs, partially torn abdomen, a lacerated kidney one concussion a torn labrum throwing shoulder as well as the calf ankle injuries we'll hit on later on Kevin that ultimately led to the side I mean he's going to hang up the cleats for good but you look at the toughness that Andrew Blount displayed at least definitely in the first throughout his career but especially in the first few years of his career he's getting constantly hit over and over again like five six times a game just car crash after car. And I remember a story from Zach Kiefer, the athletic, where he mentioned in his story that in Carolina,

that Monday night game afterwards, he couldn't even stand up on his own. He was just so tired he couldn't stand up on his own. His shoulders were in pain. It seemed like he was just beat up. And how much of a physical and mental toughness did Andrew Luck show to that team, Kevin? Because to do what he did and the injury history I just listed off there, it's pretty crazy that he really never missed time outside that shoulder injury.

Yeah, you know, I mean, yeah, I think back to the Denver game, which I believe might have been the week after that Carolina loss at Monday Night Football. You know, he lacerates his kidney early in the fourth quarter and stays in the game, you know, finishes the game and finishes a huge win and a comeback victory over Peyton Manning and the Broncos and I'll never forget late in that 26 I think yeah 2016 season um Luck looked like it just a looked like a prized fighter just bandaged up getting ready to play week in and week out like massive elbow pads and

heavily taped ankles and just didn't look like a pretty boy quarterback by any means and to watch his reaction after throwing the game-winning uh touchdown to Jack Doyle in a meaningless 2016 season finale against the Jags and Luck reacts like he just won the freaking Super Bowl I mean he goes nuts pumping his fist and high-fiving Pat McAfee and sprinting towards the sideline and that love for the game and then in 2018 after he's back from the Netherlands and talked about how much he missed the game of football and how much he was impacted as a human being to hear him you know say that playing for Frank Reich and playing with that team, especially in 2018, was the most fun he's ever had playing the game of football,

I think that's where just the shock value of him retiring last August is ramped up even more because it seemed like, boy, he was past the shoulder issues. He was healthy from a throwing standpoint. The calf injury wasn't anything too menacing that needed surgery or anything like that. And he had just, you know, re-found his love for the game of football. And maybe that had grown a little bit. I think that, to me, just added to some of the shock of what transpired against the Bears that Saturday night last August. Yeah, but before that happened, I was at training camp luckily,

and I got to hang out with you and the rest of the crew that cover the Colts. And from our standpoint, watching practices, and when we spoke to Andrew Luck that day, you didn't get any sort of vibe that this might be the last time you ever speak to him before a press conference like that, right? It just seemed like he was diligent in his rehab. He was preparing for the season. He was pretty adamant to us in that media scrum that he was going to be – I think he was pretty confident he was going to be available for week one in Los Angeles. Yeah, he certainly was really candid, I remember, in that press conference setting and seemed

pretty upbeat. And I think that was part of like the perspective of life and football that had changed of like okay I'm gonna stick to my routine hopefully it works out and I feel pretty confident that it will but I think in the back of his mind it was like and if it doesn't it's not the end of the world I'm a new father I'm a new or gonna be a new father I'm a new husband, things like that. Now, he didn't say that publicly, but I think that was kind of inside of him at that point as well. I was always a little bit like, this is odd. This is odd that he's having these setbacks.

This is odd that he's not doing more on the field. It just didn't add up to me and then when Frank Reich you know was really coy with his answers the week of that Bears game following you know Luck Luck did a little pre-game whatever you want to call it routine uh workout before the Browns preseason game which is the Saturday before he retired or at least Adam Schefter broke the news, you know, Frank Reich was really, really reserved in his answer. So she hadn't really been throughout that process. Again, to me, it's like, this is not really adding up. He's able to do that workout on the field. And yet the next week of practice, he's not able to do anything, or at least he's not doing anything. I think that's where some of the flags, you know, at least started to rise up of like, okay,

is he really going to be ready for week one? Obviously, I never thought he'd be retiring, but that's when it was like, okay, not all the pieces are in place, and this is not just as smooth as the Colts are trying to make it out to be. Yeah, and I feel like the first time we had you on the show, Kevin, was a few weeks after this shocking news with Andrew Luck and his retirement because I just wanted to rehash it for the listeners out there. You were in the press box with the rest of the media.

It seemed like a chaotic atmosphere once the Adam Schefter tweet broke out. Of course, in the stadium, I was luckily in my seats during this. And it was pretty just jaw-dropping what was going on. Everyone sees the notification on their phones. They look down. They start yelling at the sign, like, what's going on? What was it like from the press box standpoint? And then after that, you go down to the field level,

go into the press conference room, and you witness all what's going to happen next. Yeah, I mean, it was shocking to say the least. You know, if I'm not mistaken, Deion Kane had a huge game against the Bears. I think Chad Kelly played pretty well, and you're kind of writing about that. And then all of a sudden, the news breaks news breaks you know early in the fourth quarter and you know Colts PR isn't denying it and you're like holy yeah you know what this is happening and you go down there to the field level and you know Andrew Luck's fiance or I guess wife at the time and wife now. Nicole is there.

And I can't remember if Will Wilson, his uncle, was there or not. But it's a very just scattered and hectic and chaotic moment. And Jim Irsay, you know, uttering something to the effect of, you know, we'll have something in a little bit, I think was really the only thing that he said. I can't talk right now about it. And just the general dejected look, particularly on Ursae's face. Chris Ballard, I thought, almost looked pissed, you know, in that press conference. Frank Reich, probably a little bit more stoic. You know, he kind of has the backup quarterback, the head coach mantra of like, hey, I got a football team to get ready for the season. And yes, this is incredible news, but I've got to move on and get this team ready to play the Chargers week one.

And just that whole press conference setting was very eerie of everything that Peyton Manning had done for this franchise, seemingly thinking that Andrew Luck was headed for an MVP type of season. I think a lot of people thought that that was the next step. You know, comeback player of the year, career high in completion percentage, you know, barely gets sacked in that 2018 season. I mean, that was a huge, huge step forward. And then you have the offensive line that ends up starting every single game in 2019.

You felt like it was kind of almost time for Luck to take that next step. You know, he had just proven that he could stay healthy. He had just had, you know, maybe, I'd say arguably the best season of his career. He's playing with this quarterback kind of whisperer in Frank Reich. And from an individual season, I think that's what separates the early years of Manning from Luck. Luck had the more playoff success early on. Manning had the better individual seasons.

You know, Andrew never was even on an MVP ballot. He never got one MVP vote in any of his playing seasons. But you felt like that was the next step. He's about to turn 30 years old, entering kind of that second prime that Peyton got into and was able to get to a couple of Super Bowls here in Indianapolis and win even more MVPs. You felt like luck was getting there. And, yeah, it was just – thinking back on it right now,

it's just I'm still in shock and and thinking about just working at Lucas Oil till 3 a.m that night and waking up the next day thinking did that really just happen yeah really was one of the more wild moments in Colts history and definitely in recent memory for sure but before we close the show Ken we should talk a little about Andrew Luck and what could have been as far as the 2019-20 season also beyond like Like you mentioned, sports gaming just got legalized in Indiana in August, so I was looking at that stuff. And Andrew Luck was a heavy favorite for the MVP right behind Patrick Mahomes. He was second on the odds list.

And a lot of people thought this was going to be the year, like you mentioned, Kevin. He was going to take that leap forward. The offensive line's in place. The weapons are a lot better than they used to be. What do you think could have been for 2019-20 starting off with this? Because even if Luck's on the publas for six weeks of the season, the Colts are four and two,

it feels like the Colts really had an opportunity. We look back later on in January, that tennis season, the title game in Arrowhead, I think that could have been the Colts. Yeah, I mean, I think they would have been squarely in the mix with Kansas City and Baltimore. I do. Now, I still think the defense probably wouldn't have given you enough, especially in a playoff setting, to be able to get it done.

You know, I actually think I find it fitting in a way you hear Bill Pullian's comments recently about, you know, he admitted that they weren't a true Super Bowl team until he made the trade for Booger McFarlane. They have these great regular seasons in 03 and 04 and 05, but they fail to get, you know, I think the only one, maybe one road playoff game during that time. And just, you know, really never were a serious threat in the month of January

to get over that hump and into the Super Bowl. So I guess that would have been my one question about this Colts. It's like, you know, Kansas City, incredible offense, but they got Chris Jones. And, I mean, he is that difference maker for them on a defensive setting, and the Colts still, you know, didn't have that, you know, going into the 2019 season. And even would they have it now?

You know, guys, obviously, if you have Andrew Luck last year, okay, you know, let's say you win 11 games, like you said, if they open up the season, if Luck opens up the season on Pup or whatnot, then all of a sudden, you know, now you're drafting the 20s. And does San Francisco find a better trade package, you know, for the return on Buckner than maybe you could have offered in that position. I think that is the one thing kind of holding the luck, what-if era back from truly being on this incredible run.

Because I think, you know, Peyton might not be the first to tell you, but again, Pullian is. You look at that 2006 run, do you win in Baltimore without the defense no do you win a Super Bowl without the defense against Chicago maybe not so you know that I think is the one question of like if you're drafting the 20s you know Derek Brown's probably off the board Javon Kenlaw's off the board if you aren't able to trade for Buckner you know who knows what your defense looks like because again that means so much but having said that with with luck under center you have a chance um you know with him fully healthy you were a double-digit win team every single year when when he was fully healthy and that was with you know

very shoddy defenses to say the least so that was probably the last missing ingredient you had the offensive line and you still have it the last missing ingredient. You have the offensive line, and you still have it. The last missing ingredient for me was just getting that one extra piece on defense to play complimentary enough football, which is a must in the month of January. Absolutely. I think with Luck, of course, I think it would have been a lot different for this Colts team last year.

Seven to nine, it probably went at least 10 or 11 with Andrew Luck in the fold. But looking long-term here, I know Andrew Luck's definitely a different cat than others out there as far as playing long-term. And we saw Payton playing until he was 39. Maybe Luck plays until he's 37, 38, Kevin. But let's say Luck plays another seven, eight years with the Colts franchise, gets another huge contract. What do you think is the final outlook for Andrew Luck? Do you think he's recognized alongside Payton as a Colts legend if he does play another seven, eight years? Do you think he does get an MVP or two or a Super Bowl ring? What do you think could have been with Andrew Luck entering the Bowerd-Ryke era as that triumvirate? Yeah, you know, I don't think anyone would have, could have, and this is just impossible shoes to

truly walk into, get to the level of what Peyton meant and means to this city and this fan base. It's just unfair. It's part of Andrew Luck being the second one to come around. Maybe if he was the first one, it would have been different. Maybe it would be Luck that has a statue out there. But Peyton and just the personality and all of that, I just don't think he ever would have gotten there. Having said that, from an individual accolade standpoint and a team success standpoint, if you're going to tell me Andrew Luck

doesn't have the calf injury or even doesn't have the shoulder injury and plays until his 38-year-old season or whatnot, I think very well he could have delivered at least one Super Bowl, if not more, to this city. Maybe not had the MVP type of success that Peyton did, but I think the Colts were destined to be more of a complete football team and have just some complimentary pieces around him that there could have been more playoff success.

You know, Peyton – or Andrew was what? Four and four in the playoffs? I mean, that's a decent record. I guarantee you Peyton wasn't a 500 quarterback in the playoffs through his first seven seasons in the league, things like that. So you did have a quarterback that was better in the month of January, at least early on, than Peyton was. And I think just having the three pillars in place of a Chris Ballard,

Frank Reich, you know, Andrew Luck sort of, you know, triangle, if you will, that's pretty darn solid. And I do think if he would have, you know, played until whatever, 37, 38, you would have seen at least one Super Bowl, and you would have seen at least one MVP as well. And from a team success, maybe more playoff success than Peyton had, but I don't think the individual success just on an MVP level. Yeah, what an interesting era the Andrew Luck era was, Kevin.

Appreciate you coming on. You can follow Kevin on Twitter at KBowin1070. Also read his work over at 10 State at Fan fan was sent by the fan and his podcast, which I'm a loyal listener of. You guys all should be too. Kevin's corner. Kevin, appreciate the time.

Yep. Enjoy it as always. Love the, love the topics, even though it is a bit of doom and gloom for, for, for some fans to think back on.