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Episode Date: June 16, 2017

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Talkspace.com slash BOOM. B-O-O-M. No, I'm not for sale. You are Locked On Colts, your daily Indianapolis Colts podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. Welcome back to Locked On Colts, ladies and gentlemen. I'm your host, Matt Dainley, and we are now officially over with Colts Minicamp, the official start of the dead period, but we are now officially over with Colts mini camp, the official start of the dead

period, but we are alive and well tonight. We got our main man, George Bremmer back on the, on the scoop with us tonight. What's going on, George? Hanging in there, trying now to cope with what am I going to do for the next six weeks? Yeah, it's, it's going to be, it's man, very touch and go very, you know, there's just a lot of everything that now we get to talk about is all just what about this what if that what if the other thing i mean that's going to be uh difficult to actually get anything of substance out because there's literally nothing going on between now and training camp yeah the rookies are going to hang around for two more weeks out at the facility but that's all closed and we won't hear anything out of there unless it's you know really

the the problem with this period is basically if you hear anything between now and july 29th it's going to be bad news in all likelihood it's going to be you know something off the field you don't want to deal with or it's going to be an injury or something like that uh the only good news that i could possibly imagine leaking anywhere in July before training camp would possibly be concerning Andrew Luck if he started throwing a football. Yeah, that's about right too. Yeah, that's crazy.

So we did get a lot of nuggets, though, out of the coaching staff, out of a couple players and stuff over the past couple days at minicamp, though. What was maybe the most – I mean, there were some things where – and I talked about this on the other show the other day. But Chuck was a little forthcoming with the talk about Hassan Ridgway's injury and his surgery and stuff like that. But we don't get that a lot from Chuck.

And we don't get that a lot from from anybody to be quite honest with you so i mean uh any of that was a little bit extra but what was the one thing that you took out of the past couple days and just in general uh of the mini camp that that really kind of perked your eyebrows a bit you know the biggest thing and probably this has been talked about a lot but dante moncreep was an absolute monster yesterday. That's good news. And, you know, it really showed up. He was everywhere. He was catching just about everything.

The one time I can remember him not making a play was because Bonte Davis made an even better defensive play. It was really, I think, eye-opening. We always know what Dante Moncrief can do, and obviously doing it in June is one thing, but it just shows how much he's worked, how good he's feeling after how many games he missed last year, and the potential for him to have a really breakout year.

I think it's something that the Colts are, I don't want to say they're leaning on it, but I think it's something that they really want to see happen. I mean, he's in a contract year. He just really needs to step into a consistent spot and, you know, help T.Y. Hilton out by being that true number two option who's there every week. And he talked about it, you know, that his main goal is to stay healthy. And some of that he can't control. I mean, I feel like he got hit with an injury

prone tag and it's not really that fair. I mean, he got basically speared in the back and broke a shoulder blade and, you know, not a whole lot you can do about that. Right. Yeah. There's a big difference between being injured and being injury prone. You know, I mean, in all likelihood, I mean, you can look at the nagging type injuries, as you spoke about Vontae a few moments ago. Vontae is kind of, I mean, you could kind of get him into that category just because he's had the little, you know, the toes, the ankles, the fingers, the, you know, the arms and just little stuff here and there. And a lot of it's been his ankle. But, you know, injury prone and being

injured are completely different sides of the spectrum. That's for sure. There was a lot of talk, you know, as somebody that we've talked about quite a bit is our guy Chester Rogers. He's not just a sleeper anymore. This guy is really making moves and is impressing the right people. I mean, Andrew Luck the other day said basically that he considered what he did last year to be doing some special things. And obviously the talk that he's had going around about him this year just in the minicamp and OTAs and stuff like that, it looks like a lot of that's coming back to the surface, and a lot of that's due to his off-season work ethic. Yeah, absolutely.

And Chester's been very consistent. And again, you know, the same caveat always applies. This isn't the same situation they're going to be in later. Jerron Carter was outstanding in the spring and the beginning of summer, and then as soon as the preseason started, he disappeared. The difference with Chester Rodgers and Dante Moncrief, of course, is that they've done it. They've done it when the bullets are live.

So when you see something good coming from a guy like that, at least for me, it means a little bit more. It's somebody you can trust, somebody who is tested to some extent in the regular season. And the thing that I think helped Chester Rodgers a little bit this week, too, is that T.Y. Hilton was down. He had that hamstring tweak from last week. So at this point in the year, there's no reason to mess with him.

We talked about that after it happened, that maybe he would just go ahead and miss minicamp. There's no point in putting him out there. But with him out and philip dorsett out rogers was the number two receiver this weekend you know that it's just more reps it's more chances to get a look and he continues to go out there and and be where he's supposed to be when he's supposed to be there i can't stress enough how important that is it's something that jack doyle has absolutely thrived on.

The fact that your quarterback can count on you, that your coaching staff can count on you, it means everything out there. And Chester Rogers is becoming one of those guys. Absolutely. You brought up Dorsett. There was an interesting statement from, I think, I don't even remember who it was now. I read it quickly and I got off the page, but it was something to the effect of where one of the coaches were talking about the receiving core and they kind of were talking about the competition with Aiken and Rogers and Moncrief and Hilton. And they kind of just, you know, talked and talked and then left Dorsett kind of towards the end.

Are you getting the sense that Dorsett, I mean, being that he hasn't been able to really do anything, is kind of putting him on the back burner, or is it just that, the simple fact that he just hasn't been out there and there's not a lot to talk about him? Yeah, I think it was Rob Chudzinski that was doing that, and he mentioned at some other point in that session with us that, you know, Dorsett's gotten to a point where he needs to be healthy. They need to see him out there. You know, they need to find out what they've got.

And, yeah, it's gotten to the point where not being healthy is the problem. That's why he's on the back burner right now. But it's also why there still remains questions we were talking the other day out there uh during one of the practices just us in the media scrum that you know it's not a situation like it was with bjorn verner where you just felt like this guy's really not cut out for the nfl you know he just he lacked the strength he did have the burst. He was a great college player.

He just couldn't translate to the NFL. That doesn't feel like it's the same way with Dorsett. We know he's got that one trait. That's one thing that Chris Ballard has really, everybody he's brought in, everybody on this roster has some trait that's special about them, and that's why they're here. And everybody knows that that speed from Philip Dorsett is there. And he just has not consistently stayed on the field,

and he has not consistently turned that speed into production when he is on the field. And it's really, you know, it's getting to the zero hour. There's no doubt about that he's in year three uh it's it's a very very big make or break season for phil dorsey and to miss time in in the spring it doesn't help him now there was something that i noticed i did a video of all of his targets the other day and put it on YouTube. And I really wanted to see what it was that Dorsett was doing well and wasn't doing well. And like you said, obviously he's got the speed. He's got the big playability on him. Very much, I mean, and obviously not the polish, obviously, anywhere near it of T.Y. Hilton.

But he's got a lot of what T.Y.'s got. And he, for some reason or another, is just not making the plays. There was 11 passes that were not catchable for him. And I believe his catch percentage on the season last year was around 55, 56%. If you take those 11 totally uncatchable balls that includes throwaways terrible passes uh balls that just traveled out of bounds just balls too far uh just whatever tipped balls at the line whatever you want to call them those that were intended for him if you had taken those out his catch percentage would have been closer to 68 i i i can't speak on because i don't know the exact uh portions of the routes that he's supposed to be running.

I mean, if he's running 12-yard and he runs 13, I don't know that one way or the other. But by all accounts, it looks like he's running solid routes. He's able to win. It's just the biggest issue that I saw with his route running in general was that he really struggles to find the sweet spot in the zones. And a lot of that get draws defenders. And more than anything, a lot of it's yards after the catch as well. There's not a lot there unless he's got a lot of space and he doesn't create enough space throughout his route for one reason or another. And I can't really pinpoint it or figure out exactly what it is. But like you

said, he is down to the nitty gritty here. It is make or break, and there's guys that are playing well enough to take his spot. It's almost sad because, like you said, it's not like a Bjorn Varner or another one of those guys that just don't have what it takes to be in the league or to be an NFL ballplayer. He does, and he's very much a guy that it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him at some point maybe get cut loose. And I don't mean this year necessarily or anything like that. I just mean eventually at some point get cut loose and then end up being successful somewhere. But it won't be because he wasn't coached right or anything like that. It's simply because he is either not getting something about the position or he's just not being effective or he's not running the routes

correctly or something. But you would assume that with the new wide receivers coach that as much as everybody's ranting and raving about him, that he would start to progress a little bit more and polish up those routes. But, you know, it's such a coin flip with him anymore. It's just really disheartening almost. Yeah, it absolutely is. And I think everybody's waiting for that light bulb to come on and everything to come together because the pieces are there. You know, individually the pieces are there, but like you said,

for whatever reason they're not all coming together on Sundays and adding up to anything. And, you know, some of that's been injury undoubtedly. Some of it, you know, because it's not just the time that he's missing the regular season, it's the time that he's missing the off season to work on some of those little tricks and tips and, you know, the little details that make the difference. I have heard, I can't remember who said it,

I might have actually been Philip himself, that he needs to get faster getting in and out of his cuts, that that's one of the things, you know, as fast as he is, he doesn't get in and out of his cuts as quickly as you would expect him to. So, you know, there's little details here and there, and that's exactly what Sanjay Lau has been working on with these guys. So, you know, I think he's a guy who can really benefit from Lau, but he's got to be on the field.

I mean, you can't stress that enough. You know, you're not going to get better at these things unless you're out there doing them every day. And nagging things keep coming up with him. And, you know, at some point he needs to stay healthy and he needs to put it all together or, you know, we'll see who knows, but it probably won't be a good outcome for him if he can't find a way to do those things. Absolutely. And, you know, there was a lot of talk about, uh, Andrew Luck this week, as there is anytime you guys are able

to talk to, to the coaches or to anybody, really, they anytime you guys are able to talk to the coaches or to anybody, really. You guys are wanting to find out, can you get a little nugget, a little piece of this or that about Andrew? But I noticed that a lot of what was written outside of IndieBase, and some of it was even inside of IndieCircles as far as media-wise, but it seems like everybody on the outside looking in is assuming that everybody is just freaking out about Andrew Luck around. And that's just not the case. I just could not figure out the whole point of emphasis about those articles.

They didn't make any sense to me at all because I'm not getting that gist at all. Are you? No. Everything that I've heard is that the plan was always that he wouldn't throw in minicamp. And there's even been some whispers, nothing coming from the organization, nothing at all that you can hang your hat on. This is not any kind of reliable news here. But there's been whispers that if he had to throw right now, he could.

There's just no point in doing it right um there's i don't really sense panic like we we talked about you know a couple weeks ago phil walker's the only guy they added and if the team was panicking franchise was panicking brian fitzpatrick would have been here josh Fitzpatrick would have been here. Josh McCown would have been here. There would have been some other move. Until that happens, until you see RG3 show up at the complex or you see Colin Kaepernick show up at the complex or they try to get Jay Cutler out of the announcing booth or Tony Romo or what have you,

unless you see him move like that, would be panic you know to me that would be freaking out right and right now there's no timetable but you know there is and that's the other thing i fly every time i write it there's no public timetable right there is a timetable you know and they're aware of it and he seems to be on that internal schedule they're not going to put anything out there right now because frankly frankly, they don't have to. Right. Not only that. You're on it. You're on it. If you say he's going to be throwing by July 13th and he's not,

if July 16th, those three days will be chaos. Absolutely. Until it actually happens. Yep. As soon as you started to say that, I knew you were getting ready to say exactly what I was thinking. You have all the national media going completely crazy, wondering why he's not throwing, thinking that his arm's falling off. I mean, if he doesn't do it. So, yeah, you're right. They absolutely gain nothing by saying, we're going to have him thrown by such and such a date.

That's totally pointless to do. That serves nobody any good. And it's just not necessary right now. A, because they're getting by with what they are saying, which is very little. But B, it doesn't take a doctor to figure out that there's no point in him throwing until then. Not only have you and I talked about it, I've stressed this on the show several times over the past couple months. There is no reason to worry if Andrew Luck isn't throwing until preseason and doesn't play a game. This is not an issue right now. When it's an issue is if you see he's not playing in week one and they still can't figure out if he's ready to go. That's an issue. If they don't play him, it's because they still just want to take it easy on him.

But if they don't play him and they still are being very wishy-washy about what they're releasing about Luck, then you might want to be a little worried. But man, we are two full months here before training camp and the rest of the country, all the national websites and productions are freaking out. But I'm not in the least bit, nor do I catch that anybody close to her that covers the team well is in that boat at all. I think where the concern lies right now is not so much in when he'll start throwing or anything like that, but how the shoulder responds. I think that's where the mystery is. Once he does start throwing and they put him on those pitch counts, how does he feel the next day?

If he comes out the first day of training camp and he throws 40 passes, how does he feel that next day? How does the shoulder respond? How does the strength of the arm? Those are the things that that are concerns and there won't be any way to answer those and and you know for at least another probably six weeks at the very least and it's probably honestly going to be longer than that uh before we really have a good firm deal on any of that but that to me where where there is concern that's where it lies how does the shoulder respond? How has the surgery taken?

But when you talk to Andrew Luck himself, he's very confident in those things. He knows his body better than anybody else. He's very confident that that's going to work out and that he'll be all right. Nobody knows for sure, but until we see otherwise, I take him at his word. Yeah, and he has lost some weight, and he's going to have to regain that strength, and he's going to have to basically start over with his throwing motion. I mean, it's not like he's going to have to scrap what he knows. I just mean that he's going to have to start overthrowing lightly.

And let me bounce this off of you because I wrote this the other day, but I want to see if this holds any weight with you whatsoever. I kind of likened his reformation here of getting back in the saddle of passing after post-surgery here as kind of one of the major league ballplayers post-Tommy John. They have to get themselves back in the mix, start from scratch for the most part, learn how to throw without re-injuring their tendon

or the ligament or whatever is the issue. But this is a shoulder. It's not an elbow. But it's similar in that he's going to have to relearn how to throw effectively. He's going to have to learn bit by bit, short passes by further, just going down the field a little bit more each day, more reps and stuff like that. And not only that, but he's got Brian Schottenheimer for another year. I not only that, but he's, he's got Brian Schottenheimer for another year. I just love that guy, man. I just, there's something about watching those two work together last year in camp that really piqued my interest. And the fact that he's going to be in his pocket while Andrew Luck is rehabbing this eventually,

whenever he does start to actually throw in bulk, that this is going to be something that is a good thing. Andrew Luck's going to learn to, you know, take those six-yard passes on first down and take the six, seven, eight yards, whatever it ends up yielding, you know, and not going to the 12th or 15-yard route on first down and throwing an incompletion. I think this is really going to help Lux game as well. Obviously, you want a for him to make sure that he completely heals 100%. You don't want any reason for him to be throwing short if his shoulders not healed. You know, I mean, that's not a good thing. That's not what I'm getting at. Right. I just mean for his progression to go forward. You want to see him kind of take baby steps and then have him have those fundamentals in his head going forward

when he actually starts throwing, like you said, with live bullets. So does that hold any water with you whatsoever? Yeah, absolutely. I think it's like when you go to a baseball game and you watch a starting pitcher warm up, he starts out in the outfield and they move further and further away, and then they go to the bullpen, and he starts throwing harder. It's going to be a longer process, but it's the same idea.

You've got to stretch that arm out, and it's going to take time. It's going to be a process. Honestly, it's something that could start tomorrow, and we won't necessarily know. They're not going to make a big public show of it i don't think because i imagine when when he first starts throwing it's not going to be pretty that can be something that you know people will will like seeing and uh but that's going to be part of this whole process too so um you know to me one thing that you said that I think is so dead on in there, too, is they're being ultra careful.

They want to make sure that he's 100% before they do anything. The whole point of this surgery was to put this behind him. Right. You know, he didn't have to have the surgery necessarily. He could have gone through the same, you know, maintenance program he went through last year. The whole point of this is to to not have him deal with that to let him get back to 100 and and be you know a normal quarterback if so to speak uh without all those hindrances and so that i think that's a lot of where the caution

and the timetables and everything else coming in they don't want to do anything until he's 100% healed. And who can blame them? Right. Absolutely. Well, the nation and we have talked about Andrew Luck long enough. We know that that's going to be the waiting game a little bit for now. So let's jump off of that. But something else that we've talked about quite a bit, you and I, because I think this is something that we just enjoy talking about as well, is this offensive line and how they've been trying to shore up that right side. They were talking to

Chudzinski yesterday, and basically he reiterated what a lot of people have been asking. You want to know, is that right side of the offensive line all set and ready to go, or is that something that's still a work in progress? And obviously he said that, you know, that right side's still a work in progress. But I think you can argue that the entire line is a work in progress, not so much where people are playing, but just in general. And he spoke on this, and they've talked about this quite a bit, is it's the continuity and chemistry. But I liken those two as somewhat of

a, of conflicting, uh, uh, statements there that the chemistry, it to me is more important than continuity. I don't care who's on that line. As long as they play well together, they don't care if they've played together for two years or two weeks, two weeks, those guys have to find the right mixture of guys at the right positions and then go forward and then you know you played well together and you start knowing the guys to the right or the left of you and things start working out well a lot of talk about Denzel Good wondering whether he's a guard or a tackle you know going back and forth with that we've talked about that probably for the last year to be quite honest with you and so a lot of this is still the unknown. Are you getting any,

you know, silent nods or anything like that, you know, that you think that they may have a little more trust in what they've got right now than kind of what they're lending out? More or less, do they feel better about what they're seeing than how they're saying it or how they're releasing it. I'm not even sure if that makes any sense whatsoever. They're trying not to be too boastful about what they feel they've got, in other words. Yeah, they're definitely a work in progress, and I don't think anybody would deny that around the building right now. Chudzinski mentioned it. I forget exactly the way he phrased it, but he was talking about last year there were things that happened that weren't necessarily acceptable, but they were understandable.

And this year they're not understandable. The expectations have risen for where they should be at. The bar has risen, so to speak, for where the offensive line should be at right now. I think they have a pretty good idea of who the starting five is just from watching how they line up in practice. Now, having said that, Brian Schwenke's been out the last couple weeks. Denzel Good's been out the last couple weeks.

They've been keeping Jack Muhor on a a maintenance program he's on a pitch count he didn't practice at all during minicamp um so it's not a hundred percent you know they haven't had everybody there necessarily every day but every single practice we saw and again you know during otas we only see one a week so the other two or three days that they practiced that week it could have been completely different. But every single practice we saw, LaRaven Clark was at right tackle, Joe Haig was at right guard. The only time that changed at all was one of the days very early on

that Jack Muir wasn't there and Denzel Good was healthy. Good was at right guard that day, and Joe Haig was on the left side. But other than that that the right side never changed Ryan Kelly of course never changed it surprises anybody right uh Anthony Casanza never changed the one interesting thing that we saw was after that first time after Denzel Good was out because really the first week of OTAs was the only time we saw Good out there when Jack Muir was not. After that, they were both out, other than Jack was there the second week of OTAs.

But what's interesting is the last couple of weeks and all through minicamp, the guy that left guard was Jeremy Vunovic, and he's been a tackle, you know, as far as I've known the entire time he was around. So I don't know if he's making himself necessary, is one of Chuck's favorite phrases, or what they're doing there. But that's the most interesting development that I saw on the offensive line. Now, when they get to training camp, you know, maybe Denzel Good's going to be a competitor at one of those guard spots. Maybe Schwenke's going to be able to compete at one of those guard spots.

But right now, I really think the leaders in the clubhouse are the line that we saw at the end of the year last year, with the exception of Jack Newhart being healthy and being a left guard. And he is in such a critical season right now to get paid. I mean, not only is he a fantastic left guard when he's healthy, But the Colts need him to be healthy. And if he's not this year, man, I mean, there's a good possibility, in my opinion anyways, like you said, I don't have any knowledge of this firsthand or anything, but in my opinion, if he can't stay healthy this year, he's not coming back next year.

I think he and Moncrief are in the same boat. You know, they're guys that when you've seen them out there, they've done really good things, and there's not a whole lot of question about their talent or their ability, and they're in the final year of their deals. And if they can go out there and have healthy, consistent seasons, they're both going to get paid, and they're both going to probably become fixtures at their positions.

But both of them, it's a big year for both of them. I think New York's very much in that same boat boat and i think that's a big part of the reason why they're being so careful with them right now much like we were talking about with andrew luck why throw him out there with the knee if you don't have to right you know get that thing right get it well and get him out there so that when he's out there he's's 100%. I think it's a huge season for Jack Newhart. He's another guy who we've seen be extremely tough. Was it last year, I think, where he went down during a game and there was initial thought that it could be season-ending

and he missed one week and came back? Early in the season. Yeah, I think he missed the London game. I think it was week three where he got hurt, and that was the game where Austin Blythe ended up starting at one of the guard spots because they couldn't get anybody back in time. Yeah. But, you know, we've seen toughness from Jack Mueller.

We've seen him fight through things. That knee injury, as I understand it, is the same thing that Kendall Langford had that ended his season last year. And it's nothing to play around with. I mean, everybody's well aware of that. And you've got to see. You know, anytime there's a knee, I always feel like you've got to see what's left. You know, what's the guy like afterwards?

Right. Those knee injuries very often take a toll. I'm not saying Jagmeet Ward will never be the same again. Like I said, we've seen him fight through things. I think he's one of those guys that quite possibly can come back from it. But anytime it's a knee,

I just feel like, alright, let's see. It's kind of a prove-it situation with me. For him, you add the contract year and everything else into it, it's a hugely important year. Yeah, absolutely. Those, you know, an offensive lineman have such a disadvantage in that regard, uh, the, the prove it type status, you know, uh, here prove to me, you can stay healthy. God. So I got to prove to you that I'm not going to have a running back dive in the back of my kneecaps. And you know what I mean? There is just so many instances where those guys can get hurt and it it's getting cut. It's defensive linemen, linebackers diving at their

knees while they're blocking. I mean, just so much that can go wrong with offensive linemen. You feel for guys like that. And I mean, it's just, it seems like once you get one of those injuries too, obviously that weakens a part of your leg or wherever the injury is at. And, man, it just seems like you can't get a break. I really am hopeful for Muhor, A, because he's a fantastic talent, in my opinion, and because, you know, by all accounts, he's a guy that the Colts really want to be that stalwart, that left guard, and be, you know, a guy of the future for this offensive line. They're trying to build an offensive line, and they can't do it every two years.

That's just not a winning way to go. It's just not possible to rebuild your offensive line every two years, every three years, and expect to get great results. And as far as the right side of the offensive line goes, and just for my money, I think Denzel Good or anybody else who's really going to try to be battling for those positions has to come in and training camp and blow the doors off of the coaching staff. I think that the Raven Clark, obviously he's been there. So, and Hague's been there. So there's, they're, they're getting that they're the guys who are

available and being durable right now. But at the same time, like you said, those guys ended the season last year, both playing pretty well. Haig was a true utility guy for the Colts last year. And you've got Ryan Kelly at center. That's not, he's not going anywhere. The interesting thing to me is Vujovic where, you know, where does he go? You know, has he been sitting there? Is he going to sit there and back up Muhor all year? And does it even really matter? Is he going to be the number one utility guy for the Colts offensive line this year? I think that when training camp comes around, just as much as we've talked about him, and as I've heard other people mention his name, I think that he's going to be a guy that we see in multiple positions at training camp. And we're talking about him being

kind of like the sixth man of that offensive line. Yeah, they need somebody to fill Joe Wright's shoes. You know, Joe Haig did it a little bit last year. Joe Wright was always that guy that kind of, you know, anybody went down but the center and in would go Joe Wright, and somehow or another he'd get the job done. It seemed like it was like clockwork and uh

you know maybe maybe univich is being positioned in that spot i think behind the starters is where the real interest comes in with this you know brian schwenke's got an advantage because he can play center and so that gives him that backup center spot you know maybe a leg up there uh but you know where does denzel Good fit in? Where does Jeremy Vunovic fit in? Where does a guy like Zach Banner fit in? I think it's going to be real interesting to watch that group behind the starters and how they shake out because there are a lot of roles there.

Who is that sixth lineman, like you said? Do they have a swing tackle? There are some roles behind the starters that really have a lot of questions. Yeah, it's going to be fun. We've talked about that several times. I hope that our listeners are just as excited about the offensive line and what we're going to see in training camp, because I know that we've talked about it several times, but it's just hard not to talk about it. It's been something that has been an issue. It's been something the Colts have needed to work on, been working on trying to get a core five there,

and it's hard not to talk about it. So I hope that everyone... One thing that came out of today with Ryan Kelly was, you know, again, it's one of those topics that we've heard a ton of, but he was, again, talking about how these those topics that we've heard a ton of, but he was again talking about how these guys were together so much during the off season. They were in the building, you know, they were in formal workouts. They were all working together in the bond that that built.

And he just felt like, I believe he said, you know, from the start of OTAs in April through to the end of minicamp today, he felt like they've come light years from where they were. And he says it's all because of that bond. So maybe the chemistry is starting to be there. Good. I mean, that's something you wanted to see another year from Philbin to coach in that group and to hear that these guys actually feel like they've got the chemistry.

Man, that's, like you said, if he feels they're light years ahead from where they were last year. And Kelly, now, there's a lot of coach speak. There's a lot of player speak that comes out of these pressers. But Kelly, I mean, and you can attest to this, is not a guy who just says something to say something. Hmm. You know. No, you know, he was down in Alabama with Nick Saban.

Right. He knows. He's not going to blow smoke. He chooses words carefully. Right. He knows. He's not going to blow smoke. He chooses words carefully. Right. He doesn't blow smoke. He doesn't just say, you know, the metaphorical phrases that roll off the tongue. If he says something, typically, you know, he doesn't like to –

it doesn't really seem like he likes to talk anyway. So if he does talk, you know, it seems like what he's saying is pretty truthful. Absolutely. You know, he's a guy who usually is pretty up front and if he doesn't want to answer a question because he won't throw anybody under the bus right you know he'll just he'll he'll talk around it and there wasn't any of that today and you know every member of that line has mentioned how much those workouts meant to them at some point during this winter. That and Jonathan Hankins have been probably the two most consistent things you hear from everybody up there at the podium.

Every lineman talks about the workouts and the chemistry between them, and every defensive player talks about Jonathan Hankins. So when that happens, you just kind of take note. Like you said, there's a lot of things that get said that kind of, all right, we've heard that a million times. but when Ryan Kelly says they've come light years, your ears perk up. Right, absolutely. And, you know, the good thing about that as of note is that those are two really critical areas for the Colts to grow as a team. Offensive line, defensive line, two major needs for next year to really show up.

One of the more interesting topics that came up in yesterday's interviews was the talk about the tight end position. Now, reading what was said, it didn't sound to me like there was a great endorsement from Chudzinski about Swoop being the number two tight end. Is that another one of those cases where it it doesn't read like it sounded or did you kind of get the same idea well i think they're cautious you know one of the things that i think is is different this year there doesn't seem to be as much of a sense of this guy's going to be handed a spot i don't really want to say that because it sounds really bad right but i don't

think that they necessarily have favorites unless a guy has truly locked it down. Obviously, once Andrew Luck gets in there, he's the starting quarterback and no one's going to question that. T.Y. Hilton's position is pretty solid, but there's a lot yet to

learn about Eric Swope, but I think that's what was coming through from Chudzinski. It's not that they're not comfortable with where he's been or where he's coming from or where he's going. It's just that you're talking about a guy who, you know, last year got on the field for really the first time, and sure, he showed some things that they really liked, and he's grown tremendously in his time since he came here you know from playing basketball at the University of Miami but there's still a lot left to learn and now all of a sudden his role has expanded and he's going to be exposed more so yeah you know there's concern there as there would be with anybody who's stepping into that role and really isn't proven I think Brandon Williams

one of the free agents they brought in has a decent chance to compete for or even open the season as that number two guy. He's more of an in-line guy. He's more of a blocker. But, you know, those are the things that they're looking from Swope that I think they're unsure of. They like him as a pass catcher. He's certainly shown that he can do that. There are things that he can do in the passing game that really you like a lot, but he's got to be that total tight end, and that's still a process. Yeah, it almost seems like he's the guy that they may just want to tinker with, so to speak.

Continue to develop him, but use him in those spots where he can really be a mismatch for whoever will be guarding him in select formations and packages. I think that maybe being the fact that Dwayne Allen was shipped out to New England, that it was almost – and it's so funny too because, like you said, every single thing that's come out of Colts, it seems like every three to four sentences since Ballard was hired

was competition written in there somewhere. But at the same time with swoop being the guy and I still call him swoop. I don't know if I'm saying it wrong. I don't think I, I think I am saying it wrong actually, but it looks like swoop to me and not swoop. It drives me nuts. Anyways, I, it's one of those things where you just assume that he was going to be the number two guy. And it's not because you didn't feel like he was going to earn it or that he couldn't, uh, you know, take care of the competition, so to speak for it. But I think really with a guy that has his skillset with, you know,

a guy like Jack Doyle, guy like Williams, what, you know, who's going to be their burner tight end. Who's going to be the guy that can carry up the, up, up the, uh, seam. Who's going to be their burner tight end? Who's going to be the guy that can carry up the seam? Who's going to be the guy that can be a mismatch out in the flat? You know, I mean, that's going to be a hard thing to do. I mean, I don't think Williams has caught 10 balls in his entire career. You know, it's going to be weird. I mean, it was just one of those things. You just assume that Swoop was going to be the guy.

Well, and part of that is that he's another guy that he missed some time this spring. He was back from minicamp, but he missed some time. And any time that happens, the coaches are going to get worried because there's only so many Andrew Lux. There's only so many guys out there who can miss time and you're really not worried because their makeup and their ability is such that they'll probably make up for it. Most guys got to be out there,

got to be working at it. And I think that's part of where Chudzinski was coming from because they hadn't had him for a little while. And he is such an important piece of what they want to do. So you know there's work to be done. And when he misses some of that time, there's nothing can be done about it. But it's going to cause concern i think that's only natural now speaking of another tight end what about larry donnell did you get to see him he had one drop that everybody noticed you know he was kind of stretching in the end zone for one and couldn't come up with it uh they signed jeremiah george, who was one of the inside linebackers who had worked out one of the eight guys who were tryouts. So he'd been around, I think it was a fifth-round pick of the Jets in 2014, and he's bounced around with the Bucs.

I want to say one more stop, Dallas, and he was with the Cowboys. So they did sign him today, but it doesn't look like anything's going to go forward with Donnell. I was wondering about that because he had that fantastic season in 2014. But you know what? Something else, and he had a lot of drops over the past couple years, 15 and 16. But when you look at his catch percentage, it's still better than Dwayne Allen's was. I mean, he had three seasons of a 68% catch percentage or better, where I think that that was one year that Dwayne Allen had that in his career. I think it was his rookie year or last year even maybe, but those were his best seasons. And Donnell had three of

those. And not to mention he caught six touchdowns in 14 but man he seems like a guy who just he was on fire and he was the next big thing at tight end and then he literally fell off the face of the earth and of course he has to drop a ball in front of everybody today or yesterday yeah in zone two so you know i mean it that that's when it really stands out now i i don't know maybe there's a little bit of delay there maybe there's some other things at work and and you know they've got six weeks if they like what they saw they can always add them at any time uh but it wasn't you know today they signed three guys uh like i said jeremiah george was one of them the other two were receivers uh undrafted guys one of them had been with the packers and played a little bit in the Arena League,

but guys who really don't have much history in the league. And then they got rid of Marcus Leak, which was a little bit of a surprise because he had had a pretty solid camp, pretty solid OTAs, but yesterday he was walking around with a wrap on his upper thigh and missed the end of practice. You were out at training camp last year. He was out an awful lot of days with injury, and it may have just caught up to him. Yeah, it probably did. Speaking of injuries, the Colts put Christine Michael on IR inside Troy Mayne Pope. What happened to Christine Michael? I didn't ever hear anything about him actually having an injury. Yeah, that was a weird situation.

That happened yesterday. It was just a running play, and the defensive back came up. I think it was Tyson Graham Jr., and he didn't back off as quickly as you would expect him to, and it looked like they maybe bumped knees. There was some kind of collision. It looked like maybe they bumped knees and afterwards michael stayed down and he ended up going off with the trainers and you know we tweeted about at the time but uh there wasn't really a whole lot to know at that point and obviously it didn't look

good uh but you never know sometimes it doesn't look good they bounce right back but obviously there was something there and and so you know, a really short stay on the active roster for Kristen Michael. Yeah, that's – I don't know. I mean, that's too bad. You don't want anybody to get hurt. It's just such a weird thing. I just keep seeing, you know, fourth or fifth running backs getting cut or placed on IR and signed and stuff.

And it just makes me wonder that this is just, you know, the due diligence towards the back end of the roster that the Colts are going to make sure that they maintain for stuff just like this. So we got to go ahead. It was a freak play. I mean, it was just one of those things where, you know, both guys were in the wrong place at the wrong time. And you wouldn't expect something like that to happen on a running play.

Normally, you've been out there. Normally, when it's a run, it's sort of an Olay situation. You know, come up and maybe get set up like you make a tackle. Then you, you know, move along. Something happened and they collided, and unfortunately it looks like that was it. And it's one of those weird things because he was getting some extra reps too because Frank Gore didn't really work during the minicamp,

which is more a function of him being 34 years old and them not needing to put any more wear on him than necessary. And Marlon Mack has some kind of minor situation going on. He didn't work during the camp either. So, you know, Michael is getting more reps, and it's a tough situation all around. What can we expect from Malik Hooker? I mean, is it another situation similar to Lux

where they just don't plan to even mess with him until training camp at all? Yeah, they said right away that he wasn't going to go until training camp, but they've been pretty adamant that he will be, you know, unlike with Luck where it's hopeful and praying and all these other words, they've been pretty adamant and he's been pretty adamant that he will be there right away on, I guess, July 30th at first practice at Lucas Oil Stadium. So we should get a look at Malik Hooker pretty quickly once training camp gets rolling. Yeah, I'm excited to hear or see something about him.

It seems like we've had that, you know, we're not hearing a bunch out of Grover Stewart. We're not hearing a lot, you know, obviously other than the injury news from Hooker. And some of the other guys, another guy that I haven't heard anything about in the past couple weeks is Nate Hairston. What's up with him? Do you know anything about him? He was working on the outside for the first time during minicamp. Every time we had seen him prior to minicamp, he was in the slot exclusively. And he was working on the outside during camp,

so he got beat by Chester Rogers once, but there's no shame in that. Right. You know, it'll be interesting to see. I almost feel like I don't want to call it a redshirt year because that's not really accurate. I think he's going to be a contributor on special teams no matter what right away. I feel like that's their thought process.

But I think, you know, he's a guy who hasn't been a corner that long, switched over from wide receiver. I think they do kind of want to give him some time to grow into the role. So I wouldn't expect him to be a major factor on defense yet. You never know. There's surprises every year. But I think he's a guy that's more of a long-term project. Grover Stewart, however, he's in the rotation.

He got a little bit of looks with the ones, but it was kind of odd up front. They were doing a lot of mixing and matching, and it was tough to really tell 100% who was in with the ones and who wasn't. There was a whole lot of maneuvering going on, but there were times where Grover Stewart was out there and the guys that he was out there with were Jabal Sheard and John Simon

and guys you expect to be on the first team. So, again, the defensive line is in a boat a little bit, like some of the other positions where there's some key guys not out there. Kendall Langford didn't work the whole offseason. Hassan Ridgway had that shoulder surgery. It's tough to say where he is when everybody's healthy, but at least during this preseason,

Stewart's a guy that was in the rotation. I think he's a guy they want to take another look at. He splashed a little bit in the rookie camp. He splashed a little bit in the mini camp. Not as much as he did in the rookie camp, but he did a little bit. And I think they're going to want to see what it's like when the pads come on

and things go live. Definitely going to be kicking those tires for sure. A lot of talk about Terrell Basham as well. I mean, they're high on this guy, you can tell. They know what they've got, even though they're doing the offseason program with no contact, basically. They're talking about how physically he is, how he's going to bring violence to the edge on the running game.

Basically, they said that they think that he's going to be a three-down defender sooner rather than later, I think. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see with him, too. I mean, all those defensive guys, all the linemen, you always feel bad for because, you know, this time of year is really not made for them. Right.

And there's not a whole lot that you can't see. But they've been really impressed with what you can judge from Basham, which is things like his get-off, his footwork, his football IQ, which they really like, you know, how quickly he's picked up on things and how quickly he's been able to take things from the meetings out to the field. All those are positive signs. And right now, at this time of year, that's all you can really hope for.

That's all you can really evaluate. So, you know, the areas that he can work on and be judged on have all come up positive uh the thing with him is just the depth of the position it's interesting because you you look at it and they still need pass rushers everybody knows that they don't have enough pure pass rushers he might be you know if he can develop into it he might be the one guy uh really who can beat guys one-on-one consistently without needing any kind of scheme,

without needing to be on the right tackle versus the left tackle. But you've got so much experience there with Sheard and Simon that he's going to have to earn his way on the field. I think he's got a pretty quick route as a third-down specialist, but I think even as much as he can do on first and second down and you see it on tape, I think he's going to have to earn his way out there. And I think it's not a bad idea. With those guys who are making that transition from 4-3 to 3-4,

he's a third down guy. He's mostly going to have his hand in the dirt and do what he's used to doing. It's maybe not so bad to let him him develop that way yeah i agree i i don't think you you you shut him out there and just say go play uh that's a guy that you don't plan on you know that's a guy that you plan on being on the roster for quite a while and you've got some guys with the the experience at the position that you you know it's going to be an open battle and it's going to be one of the more interesting and fun positions to watch as well. Like you said, you know, pass rush drills are going to be getting a thousand clicks of cameras right off

the jump in this summer, later on this summer, it's going to be exciting to watch one of the guys. I mean, and this poor dude, Matthias Farley, last year he had probably the most memorable play against Jeremy Macklin to where he was basically, we've talked about this, and I think we talked about it last week actually just briefly, but where he's obviously a safety. He gets pushed into a corner role for the end of the game because they were losing guys

and he had to go up against jeremy macklin out of the slot and they run a simple uh simple uh post corner and he's toast and there's nothing he can do about it but he's a guy who's been really impressive this year in camp especially right now and now now there's nothing he can do about it. But he's a guy who's been really impressive this year in camp, especially right now. Now there's all the talk about TJ Green needing this year to really progress and turn into a player. Farley, apparently, while Darius Butler's not on the field, they said that he's been the guy running the show

and that he's getting the guys lined up. He's good against the run. What's he look like in coverage? Okay. I mean, he had an interception yesterday where it was Mike Adams-like. You know, he was watching the whole play unfold in front of him and throw was a little bit behind Kamara Aiken. He reached back for it and he couldn't quite grab it.

It becomes a tip ball drill and Farley dives in there and gets it. And you thought, that's interesting. You you know he's obviously reacting to things well and being where he's supposed to be uh but i think the biggest thing with matthias farley is he has been the guy to raise his hand like you're talking about that situation with macklin happened in denver where they ran out of corners and then literally said anybody is there anybody who's played nickel anybody with that experience? And he raised his hand and says, I'll do it. I'll go in there, coach.

And that's who he's been. And he's become – he led the team with 12 special teams tackles last year. He's become a very important part of that special teams package. But he's the guy who's going to go out there and, you know, no matter what situation, Matthias Farley is going to go ahead and say, hey, I'll do it. You know, put me in, coach. Right. And you need those guys.

And I think especially with the culture that they're trying to build right now with the constant competition and pushing people, Matthias Farley is almost a prototype guy for that in practice because he's going to push whoever's in front of him. And quite frankly, during minicamp, he was ahead of T.J. Green. What does it mean? I don't know. But it was most of the time, almost all of the time,

with first team Farley and Butler, and then T.J. Green came in with the twos. So, you know, make of that what you will. But Montias Farley is a guy who's going to push anybody out there who's in front of him. And, look, we all hope for the best for Clayton Gathers. I don't think anybody denies that. Right. Hopefully everything goes well.

Hopefully he's able to get back out there sooner than later. But it's a neck injury. You cannot just count on him being there week one. In fact, right now I think most people are not counting on him being there week one. Farley's been playing the strong safety spot. You know, he was up in the box. There's an opening there. There's a chance there.

So who knows? You know, it's a long way away. Like we're talking about with Andrew Luck. It's a long way away. But here's a guy who does the right things you know in practice who works his butt off who volunteers for every dirty job those guys you always give a puncher's chance oh for sure is there any chance you think that gethers may end up on irdr right off the stop right off the jump yeah you know we we don't know much um we got talked to him just the one time uh but anytime the neck's involved i think there's a chance of anything i just

it sounds like you know as much as you can read between the lines and then try to make guesses to me he's the guy that's furthest away of all the injured guys i think langford's going to be ready at training camp but hooker's going to be ready at training camp i think luck's going to be ready sooner or later uh during training camp but clayton gathers is the one guy that i think there's a lot more hope right now than than real knowledge of when he'll be back. It's so scary, man. I mean, not just for his neck, but when you look at what it means for his career, it's not just that he's not going to play this season. Neck is a situation where you don't know if he's going to play, period, anymore.

And that's disheartening, and that's hard to swallow. I'm sure for him as well, as well as if his teammates, because by all accounts last year, when he was healthy, he was the, one of the best defenders on the, on the field last year, and probably the best defender on the field last year. Uh, you just, you could argue, you could argue he won two games for him. Yeah, absolutely. The end of the game against San Diego, he knocks the ball out. I think it was Hunter Henry's hand to tight end.

He gets beat, but he recovers and he knocks the ball out. And then, obviously, the last play we saw him make, the tackle there against Tennessee to win that game on fourth down, those are huge, huge plays. And, yeah, everybody felt like he's going the right direction i will say this gathers himself seems confident he'll get back you know he said the right things it's just that next situation and i know the team for a lot of the reasons that you were talking about team's going to be as careful with him as they can be because you are worried about not just this year but

beyond and not just football but life in general when it's a neck injury so he's confident that the surgery worked and that everything's going to go his way and everybody's hopeful that you're going to see him out there sooner than later but to me he's the one guy that that you really you you have to kind of accept that it could be a long-term deal. Yeah, I think that it will be too, and I think that, like you said, I think that that's the accepted thought process anyways. What about Quincy Wilson? How has he done?

He's been – well, not he necessarily, but it's been a little quiet about him. What did you guys see from him in minicamp? I asked Ted Monachino about him towards the end of his availability because a couple weeks ago we talked to Chuck Pagano and Chuck said that a lot of the rookies were not in the shape they needed to be in and Quincy in particular wasn't really where he needed to be yet. Monachino very quickly referenced that and he very quickly said he's made giant strides in that area.

You know, he's a really energetic guy out there, even in practice. There's been a couple times where he's made a play, and he's not afraid to go and celebrate with teammates on it. It's nothing showy, but you can see that kind of energy. And he's been moving up the JET chart slowly but surely. He was solidly with the twos uh during minicamp that wasn't the case earlier you know they they really are making the rickies earn it which i think is the way it should be and from the way monica monica said

flat out he loves the guy he thinks they're going to get exactly the guy that they saw on tape you know he feels like he's a guy who can stick with the receivers out there uh he can do everything you need him to do he's strong he's fast he's physical he's smart uh i i still believe that when they go to los angeles on september 10th quincy wilson will be a starting quarterback interesting i i always hope for that but you know like i, you just never know what's going to happen with who and how everybody's going to progress and all that. I'm all for that, but like we've talked about in the past too, I think they're in pretty decent shape anyways if Melvin is a guy that they have to rely on for a couple games or whatever.

And Melvin will make him earn it. That's the thing. Melvin will make him earn that spot. Absolutely. He's a super physical guy. He, that's the thing. Sean Melvin will make him earn that spot. Absolutely. He's a super physical guy. He's good against the run. He does a really nice job of shedding the wide receivers when they try to block him. And you know what? Speaking of that with the Colts, that's something that they've talked about. Sanjay, the new wide receivers coach,

that he's really impressed on these receivers for the Colts is to get them involved in the blocking game more often. I mean, without the physicality of the practices and stuff like that, has there been any talk about that, or do they feel like that's helping them maybe transition into this season a little bit, or is it something that they look forward to doing, the majority of the wide receivers? Have they said anything about that?

You know, Pagano talked about it the other day. He said even T.Y. Hilton, you know, they even expect him to get in there and do that from time to time. Obviously, that's not something you're going to do with him a lot. Right. You know, but that's how far it's gone. Like, even T.Y. Hilton, they're working on and, you know, saying, hey, there's going to be certain plays, certain run games where we're going to use you

and you're going to be involved. And, yeah, I think the receivers accept that. I think it's something that really Bruce Arians did when he was here. Reggie Wayne talked about it a lot when Bruce Arians was here. He impressed upon the receivers to go out there and be good blocking wide receivers. And I don't know if you saw the all-or-nothing show that Amazon did last year. I did.

They've been replaying it on the network. So I've just been catching up with it. But, you know, there's one play out there where Larry Fitzgerald just pancaked a guy on a run. That's actually a pass play, I think, because he opened the way for Michael Floyd. But I think that's what the Colts want. You know, you're not going to get that every play, obviously, but it's part of the physicality,

and it's definitely something that Sanjay Lau has been a big part of. And I think that's why some of the types of receivers you've seen them bring in, you know, Kamar Aiken, he's a bigger guy. He's a physical guy. It's something you would expect Dante Moncrief to be able to do. And I think it's something that Chester Rogers is capable of doing, quite frankly. So, yeah, it's definitely a focus. And it's definitely something that when the preseason games get started, it'll be something

to keep an eye on. Yeah. And, you know, one of the things that that, as a former receiver, as a former slow receiver, anyways, for myself, one of the things that that really a former receiver as a former slow receiver uh anyways for myself one of the things that that really helps that people don't really understand is that also helps all around i mean that helps everything if you have guys that are are effective run block are blocking for the ball carrier in the passing game or the running game or whatever, that helps everything. That helps the receiver who's matched up against that guy that someone lays out on one

play. That helps them get off the ball a little bit easier the next time. The more physical, because cornerbacks are always able to be more physical with wide receivers because they're the ones that are trying to run the routes. When they get to put a hat on a cornerback or a defensive back just in general, that helps everything for the passing game. I mean, a lot more than I think people understand. No, absolutely. You take the fight back to them and you just put that in the guy's head. You know, if it makes a corner that much slower, a step slower, you know,

coming up, you can use that and quarterback andrew luck can definitely use that so yeah you know and then that's what they keep talking about again and again and again with lau we hear it all the time i'm sure you're going to hear it throughout training camp he's so detail oriented and he's so big on the details and i think that that's going to make a big difference this year it It's easy to talk about in the spring. It'll be really fun to see how it plays out in the fall. Absolutely. Well, George, as we get ready to wrap this up for our final OTA offseason camp

and stuff like that until we get into training camp show, what was something that maybe we haven't talked about yet tonight that has been catching your eye through through training camp you know the guy i'm sure it's out there i think a lot of people have talked about it uh but i don't think we mentioned it today john bostick keeps making an impression on these coaches everybody brings them up uh monachino just did it again the other day here's a guy who you, his rookie year with the Bears was a pretty good linebacker.

He's been dealing with a lot of injuries since, but he may be, I always look at that inside linebacker spot as the most wide-open race on this roster. I don't think that's changed, but I think John Vosick has kind of put his nose out there in front in that race right now and trying to make himself the man to beat. That's interesting too, because like you said, that they've been talking about him a little bit. They basically love everything about him. They think that he fits the scheme. They love his physicality and stuff like that. But they've also

mentioned, I think it was last week's set of interviews, that they were talking about how they feel like he's really impressed them in coverage. Is that right? Is it Bostick or were they talking about Spence? I think it was Bostick. Yeah, it was Bostick. They said he's a lot more athletic and he can really run and that he's been impressive in those spots. And that was the question coming in. He was a guy who was a thumper. Nobody questioned that. But was can he run can he cover and again we'll know more about that the list of guys who look really good in june and not so good in september is a mile long so you know there's still a long ways to go there but right now at this point you know in the middle of June uh John Bostic looks like a guy who they're really excited about and you know maybe he's going to hammer down

one of those spots and then we'll see who uh who can earn the spot next to him but again that's wide open so training camp uh that could change a lot well now with all the competition that the Colts do have on the defense, and we'll kind of stay away from the offense here, unless you feel that there's one that's kind of flying under the radar here, but what do you think is the best position battle that we should look forward to that nobody's talking about? That's a good question.

You know, I'm a little bit interested to see how things play out at safety not so much because you know farley's stuck his nose in there and become a legitimate thing and not so much because they just signed a guy in ty this pal who was in seattle and you know who knows who knows what he can bring to this mix as well but when you get malik hooker out there and then theoretically you need a strong safety type next to him ideally i think it would be hooker and gathers you know everything equal everything in in a perfect world but who's going to be that that box safety uh that to me is going to be a really interesting battle and can you know how does darius butler fix it fit into that mix how quickly can malik hooker put his stamp on that spot and earn it and take it

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