Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - STOCK UP: Indianapolis Colts' Parris Campbell, Isaiah Rodgers, Stephon Gilmore On the Rise

Episode Date: November 18, 2022

Zach does a heat check on the Indianapolis Colts with Jonathan Hagler (@JonHaglerCR) as they discuss why guys like Parris Campbell, Isaiah Rodgers Sr., and Stephon Gilmore are trending upward and outperforming expectations.Find and follow Locked On Colts on your favorite podcast platforms:📺YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLdpxJspi1hMh5HL7ExpWOQ🎧 Apple https://itunes.apple.com/podcast/id1151621306🎧 Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/6meP450baAtjX4rTENZ5ij🎧 Audacy https://www.audacy.com/podcasts/locked-on-colts-daily-podcast-on-the-indianapolis-colts-21701🎧 Google https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vUFBZODk1ODUyODkyNQ🎧 Megaphone https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/lockedoncoltsFollow Jake and Zach's written work on HorseshoeHuddle.com (@ColtsOnFN), and give them a follow on Twitter @JakeArthurNFL, @ZachHicks2, and @LockedOnColts!Today’s episode is sponsored by SimpliSafe Home Security. With Fast Protect™️ Technology, exclusively from SimpliSafe, 24/7 monitoring agents capture evidence to accurately verify a threat for faster police response. There’s No Safe Like SimpliSafe. Visit SimpliSafe dot com slash LockedOnNFL to learn more.Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!LinkedInLinkedIn Jobs helps you find the candidates you want to talk to, faster. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/LOCKEDONNFLBuilt BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds, and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts!PrizePicksFirst-time users can receive a 100% instant deposit match up to $100 with promo code LOCKEDON. That’s PrizePicks.com – promo code; LOCKEDONSimpliSafeWith Fast Protect™️ Technology, exclusively from SimpliSafe, 24/7 monitoring agents capture evidence to accurately verify a threat for faster police response. There’s No Safe Like SimpliSafe. Visit SimpliSafe.com/LockedOnNFL to learn more.BlueNileMake your moment sparkle with Blue Nile. Go to BlueNile.com and use code lockedon to save fifty dollars on your purchase of five-hundred dollars or more.BetterHelpThis episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at Betterhelp.com/LockedOn and get on your way to being your best self. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, what's up friends? Just wanted to give you guys a heads up that this episode you're about to listen to, you're going to hear Zach mention a couple times that it's a Saturday bonus episode. I did have an interview lined up with somebody for the Friday show, my internet tanked, so we're just doing a little rearranging, so just don't worry about it. I'm going to hopefully get my interview out, rescheduled, get that out for the weekend for you guys. Otherwise, you enjoy Zach speaking with Jonathan Hagler. I know he's been a fan favorite of you guys as a guest of ours. So listen back and enjoy. It is heat check time, everybody. And I got my buddy Jonathan Hagler to join me yet again to talk about some Colts players who are overperforming or performing to the level we kind of expect.

You know, just some guys that are playing some outstanding football. to talk about some Colts players who are overperforming or performing to the level we kind of expect. You know, just some guys that are playing some outstanding football. This is a bonus episode on a Saturday with Zach Hicks and Jonathan Hagler. Let's get to it. You are Locked On Colts, your daily Indianapolis Colts podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network. Your team every day. Thank you Colts fans for tuning in and making us your first listen of the day. This is your daily podcast covering your Indianapolis Colts part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. This is Zach Hicks and I'm joined by a different guest today because, you know, lately guys, I have been in the middle of a big old move to a new house.

So I've been a little inconsistent with some of my recording and then Jake has been, you know, I know his daughter has been a little sick recently. So it's just been a little inconsistent from us here on Locked on Colts. So we wanted to give you guys some bonus content. And I knew that the perfect guy for that was my buddy, Jonathan Hagler. We're going to talk about some Colts players who are, you know, some are kind of over-performing, some are performing to expectation. And, you know, just some guys who are, who are balling out. We're going to have, you know, the heat check with Hag, you know, that we did a couple of weeks ago and have some guys who are balling out. We're going to have the heat check with Hag

that we did a couple weeks ago and have some fun with it. So, Hag, we got to talk about my guy in this first segment. This is a guy who two years ago I'm texting you all the time being like, Isaiah Rogers is a stud. I love this kid. I think he's got it. I think he's going to be really good. And then last year when we did our film stuff with Horseshoe huddle you know we saw a player kind of coming into his own uh but then

it's even gone to another level i mean he i think he's had 165 cover snaps this year he's been targeted 10 times he has given up eight receptions for 56 yards uh two pass breakups this is the kid who teams are taking notice of him. They're not throwing it his way. And honestly, I wouldn't either. I'd be scared to death to throw it at him. Oh, yeah. No, no.

Isaiah is like – it's fun being watching his growth because he was a guy that we saw play some, whether a guy got hurt, whether somebody got banged up. And we were saying, like, man, this may be one of those developmental guys that turns into something. He needs to be on the field more. And that's probably been the best part about it, is seeing that happen over the last few seasons

and watching an elite athlete not only play and make plays, but do it at a high level and be technically sound at the same time. So that's one of the more enjoyable stories, especially since we've been talking a lot and covering the Colts. So I've always chimed in with Isaiah. I always see you tweet about him. I know y'all relationship has grown a lot, but it's warranted. It's very warranted. His players said

it. Now he's turning into a dude and I love it for him. Guys, talking a little bit about the frustration that I've had, and I don't know if Hag has shared in that frustration, but going into this year, Brandon Faison onto the Colts. That's Bradley's guy. Brandon Faison onto the Colts that's Bradley's guy Brandon Faison's getting all the snaps on the outside Isaiah Rogers kind of getting married

in the depth chart but we've seen you know the last four or five weeks Isaiah Rogers has taken over as that starting corner now officially he is listed as the other starting corner on the outside so going forward I think it is going to be Isaiah Rogers on the outside there but I did want to share with you guys just a really funny thing about this past game and kind of on the whole season is you know, Isaiah Rogers is a guy that I've, I've talked to a lot. I've interviewed him a couple of times. So you guys know that I have a personal relationship with him,

but I texted him the other day because I noticed that he kept playing inside leverage on Devante Adams or wherever he was getting inside leverage. And this is, you know, the Colts run a very heavy cover three scheme, you know, so he's going to have help to the inside. It's going to have, you know, that robber safety or that, that mid zone safety to the inside. Why are you, why would he be playing inside leverage there? It makes no sense, but he texts me back saying that he trusts his technique and he trusts his

ability against any receiver. That's Devontae Adams too adams too we're talking about you know it doesn't matter is there rogers trust he like i know it's a popular gen z slang but he's just built different man that's a dude you've got to be you've got to be built that way to be a corner in the nfl he he he has i i knew it from the first time i talked to him. I was like, oh, he's that guy. Like, you know, you could tell when you talk to these corners. Because when he was a rookie, I talked to him, you know, Allen Robinson mossed him in the corner of the end zone. And I asked him about it after the year, and he said,

that's my favorite play of the whole season. And I was like, why is that your favorite? You had a pick in the playoffs. You had, like, pass breakups. He was like, oh, because that's the one that humbled me. Like, that like that's the one i gotta you know i i get a hat made of it like that play i don't know man you you have to be wired different man like corner like you hear people talk about all the time after quarterback it's already the hardest position in football not only because you're playing backwards the majority of the time the rules are against you

but you're going against not only you, one of the best athletes on the planet, consistently, you're going against some of the freakiest individuals that walk the planet or some of the springiest, some of the fastest. If you're not a little bit crazy, you're going to get ate up. And so I can definitely see that with Isaiah because he's a freak. Don't get it twisted. But playing corner, there's times where you cover perfectly and there's nothing you can do about it. And no matter how good you think you are,

there can be some seventh round or undrafted guy dunk on you. And it's all on ESPN and all on Twitter. And everybody's like, man, how did that happen? So I get it. The thing with Isaiah too, is just, you know, there's fast guys. there's really fast guys, but then there's just those easy speed guys, those easy speed where every single movement looks effortless, but faster than everybody. It looks like you're playing the video and fast forward. And I think that comeback route against Devante Adams was a perfect example from this past game against the Raiders where the second he planted that foot,

he and Devante Adams were not moving at the same speed whatsoever. And Adams is a great player, one of the best receivers in all of football. Isaiah Rodgers' speed is different, man. It is so effortless. It's fun to watch. Those are the guys that break efficiently. Like how we look at the receivers and say, oh, he separates great. But it's all his feet, right?

It's feet, it's head, face, it's movements. Cornerbacks that have great breaks is something that just makes me happy. And so when I see a guy run a route or run a comeback and still be able to close and run the comeback as if he's getting the ball like Isaiah did, because he jumped it. And if Derek Carter throws that ball a little bit later, it's a pick six to the house. And I know you're talking about how bad he won one, but he almost had it.

And his raw ability, and it's just fun to watch because, like I said, a lot of freaky athletes play corner in the NFL. A lot of them never put it together. And Isaiah looks like he's putting it together. Yeah, he's a playmaker. You know, he's a guy with the mindset of a playmaker who's just getting better with his technique and getting better with his overplay. And I do think that Spratt's scheme is really good for him. You know, you have the cover three.

You're having that where he can kind of just sit back a little bit. You know, he's getting into those deep zones. He's kind of reading everything in front of him. I think that's great for him because he wants to come downhill and he wants to take away anything. So, yeah, man, I think going forward, I think we're going to see some picks going forward. I think we are.

You know, I know turnovers are volatile, unless we're talking about Shaquille Leonard at linebacker, but turnovers are volatile. But if they actually start throwing the ball his way, I don't see how he doesn't get a couple the rest of the season because he's right there. Yeah, like you said, 10 targets. 10 targets.

That's not enough to even not like they say like most the well good corners probably get targeted good corners get targeted 30 to 40 times a season right or something along those lines he's at 10 like and i saw a couple pass breakups already you know i'm saying so it's like so you're telling me if i got 10 targets and three of those or four of those are PBUs, okay, so that leaves me with six, right? Six balls. So whether three or four of those may be overthrown. And if you're lucky, those last two or three may be lobs

and you had a chance to intercept them. So you're telling me out of the ten targets, four possibly were turnover worthy? If that's even the case. This is theoretical right now. You know what I'm saying? You can't be upset about that. It's lonely when you're at the top, dog.

People ain't going to throw at you a lot. You know what I'm saying? No. If they are throwing at you all the time, they're trying to tell you something. Yeah, teams are scared. Teams are scared. You know, we'll see if that continues with him getting starter snaps going forward. But I know I wouldn't throw up. I mean, and they know they got Stephon Gilmore on on the other side i wouldn't throw stefan gilmore either we're actually talking about in this next

segment but man uh yeah isaiah roger jr man i i know i hype about him all the time and i talk about all the time but this is a super super talented young corner who's only getting better and i think colts fans it reminds me of a couple years ago and i kept yelling at everybody that grover stewart is a really good defensive tackle he's going to be really good and now we're seeing how great he is I think it's going to be the same way with Isaiah Rogers where there's gonna be one of these years where he sneaks up as a pro bowler or an all-pro type guy like he he has all the ability oh those are the guys like I remember um when I came up uh because Corlin Finnegan played at uh yeah he played at Sanford, right?

And he was a late-round pick, I believe, or something like that. And I met him at a football camp in third grade, so I always kept up with him. But really, really good athlete. I actually worked out at one of the places he trained at, and I saw his records and stuff like that. And I was trying to beat a lot of them, beat his vert record and things like that, but I couldn't run it with him. I mean, he could fly.

But those type of guys, like Cor Colin Finnegan, like Isaiah Rogers, the guys that are stupid athletic, right, they creep up and they develop, and then they turn into 10-year pros. You know what I'm saying? You become fans of them. So you have every right to sit there and watch the growth of Isaiah Rogers and be happy about it because you were the one, you know, beating the drum for me.

And you're like, hey, hey, this guy can play this guy could play you know that that's that's you i'll attribute all that to you because i didn't see anybody else doing it so yeah yeah just real quick before we end this segment here uh dane brugler one of the best draft minds in in all of football like he's amazing does a lot of great work for the athletic i think he was like the second to last rated corner on Dane Brugler's draft guide a couple years ago in 2019. I think he was like cornerback 127th or something in that draft. So that shows how under the radar this kid is and how awesome he has developed in the NFL. But guys, next up, we're going to talk about someone who has all the records, has all the accolades, and has been playing amazing for the Colts. But first, today's episode is brought to you by Tommy John. Hate getting black Friday crowds? It's super uncomfortable. However, shopping Tommy John's black Friday sale from your couch,

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All right, let's talk about a guy who I know specifically for me, but probably for you as well. Just when we were coming up in like middle school, high school, this was the guy. Like when he started turning it on in New England, he was the guy. He was the guy that anyone who ever loved cornerback play or wanted to be a corner, this is who you're watching. And that's Stephon Gilmore uh former defense player of the year

multiple time all pro uh and he just everything looks so easy for him right now yeah he's clicking he's it's it's fun to see because we saw him leave new england go to carolina you know come to the coast so some people were kind of writing them off you know saying rightfully so they choose what happens at the end of these guys' careers. Stephon Gilmore, like you said, been a fan of him forever. He was on that team that beat Alabama when Garcia had the game of his life and Alshon Jeffery made the catch. And he's out of Rock Hill, South Carolina.

He's been a dude forever. It's so good to see him get back into alcohol form, you know what I'm saying, like that top-end form, because you love seeing him match up against top guys, because at the end of the day, that is Stephon Gilmore. It's like watching two heavyweights fight. I don't care if they're 48 years old, like Mike Tyson and the whole thing. I'm going to watch.

I'm going to watch, just because of the name. But he's still playing at a high level, and it's great to see him do that, and I'm happy to see him do it, because I am such a fan of his, and I've been a fan of his for a long time. Yeah, so let's talk about the final play of the Raiders game. I mean, we could talk about a couple

of different final plays of the game that Gilmore has made a huge influence for the Colts. But, you know, in three of the, or I think it's now four of the Colts wins this year, he has made the final pass breakup or the final interception to change the game or win the game. But this one in

particular came against davante adams like davante adams is a dude and you know we always talk about this guy's a dude this guy is legit like davante adams is that guy like he is a stud and one-on-one stefan gilmore fade route to to decide the game and ste Stephon Gilmore played that perfectly, absolutely perfect. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, he was patient. He was patient. I was on the line, let Devontae do it. The Colts were in a zero-zero pressure.

Ball's got to come out hot. You know, if I'm Derek Carr, I'm going to do the same exact thing. I'm going to throw it up to my guy, my guy since college. I'm going to throw it up to him. The only issue was it was stefan gilmore out there it was gilly lock you know i'm saying he was out there and he you know faced up squeezed him out of bounds it would have been an impossible catch to make uh not one that davante adams can't make but one that i'm gonna take my chances with uh stefan gilmore right there you know he has a

he's not a small corner he's still got plenty of speed. Devontae Adams never really threatened him. Never really threatened him. And I just love the way he played. It was one of the most simple plays that a cornerback can make. But plenty of times we see guys get stacked. We see guys panic. We see guys get pass interference calls on those plays. And Stephon Gilmore is the savvy season vet.

He played it to a tee. And game over, just like we've seen many times this year. Yep, he's a phenomenal, phenomenal player. And I think Colts fans kind of knew that coming into the year. Like, we knew, yeah, Stephon Gilmore was going to be that for the Colts. And one thing I'm highlighting a lot in the preseason is, you know, especially with us Bradley team, but just about any defensive scheme, it is so important to have that lockdown corner.

It is so vital because it helps your safeties. It helps your linebackers in the middle it helps kind of everybody you know having that guy where i don't have to worry about that side of the field you know and stephon gilmore's kind of been that for the colts oh yeah no that's that's major like you know playing safety my whole life um nothing better nothing made me better or more productive as a safety than looking over there and saying, oh, yeah, you got it. Like, you're on your own. I'm going to help him run. I'm going to help on this quick game.

I'm going to help guard this post a little bit more. Nothing helps your game more than having a guy you have confidence on out there on that island, whether it's cover three, cover two, cover one, zero, man up, it doesn't matter. And just for him to be out there, I'm sure, gives that entire defense a boost. Because I know I can look over there at times and be like, nah, Gil got it. And if he gets beat, he gets beat.

But he got it. Yeah. Yeah, you feel fine. Look, if a team throws a guy against Stephon Gilmore and he beats him, fine. It happens. You know, like you beat our best. I don't care. You take your wounds and keep moving.

Yeah, exactly. But I think especially in this game we're talking about gus bradley it's a very single high scheme you know you're gonna have that one safety drop down the box you're gonna have the other safety over top and this scheme is so it's so painful to be a linebacker at coverage it is so tough to be a linebacker coverage because you have to match things vertical you You have to, you know, you have to get proper depth and also attack underneath and attack behind. And if you have that safety that has to keep going over the top to one way or going over the top of the other, then you're being left on that island on a vertical route over the middle.

But when you have Stephon Gilmore, when you have Isaiah Rogers out there, it just makes your defense so suffocating. And that's why we're seeing the Colts this year. You know, this is a too high league right now. This is a too high league. Everything is too high. The Colts are running single high. The Colts are running single high almost every game, all game long. And they're having two corners who are either not getting targeted

or when they are getting targeted, they're getting pass breakups. And everything has to go over the middle of the field. And, you know, we're seeing the Colts kind of being able to kind of suffocate that because they don't have to worry about the outside. It's just, it's great to watch in a predominantly too high league. The Colts are still succeeding with this single high defense. Oh yeah. And when you force people to go across the middle, and if you have, like you said, two athletic corners,

not just two good corners, two athletic corners, that teams can't just run by. You force things to go across the middle. Those are dangerous throws. You miss or deflect it. You get an interception here. You get a pass break up here. No, it's dangerous over there.

You got to be on point. And that's something that I consistently see them do well. I feel like they have good athletes at back and they have good athletes at corner. And like you said, they kind of funnel everything to the middle. And it's fun to watch them when they do it correctly. Because if you can do that and you can get turnovers, it becomes a headache because when the post is open, I mean, when the post is closed in this defense, you know what I'm saying?

That's your shot plays. You're going to throw fades off. You know what I'm saying? When you don't go with the post, offenses are a lot more limited to let me take this five yard out. Let me run this comeback now. Let me run this fade now. Okay, I may have to mesh here.

So it is a place for it in this league, even though everybody's going more to like that too high shell look. And you know what I'm saying? Playing a lot more emphasis on the run like that. But it's fun to watch the Colts do what they do because of the personnel that they've built, especially together the last couple years. Yeah, the last thing I'll say about this Colts defense before we get to an offense player with our last segment here

is I think the Colts are allowing 196 yards passing per game, which I think is like the sixth lowest in all of football, despite having a pass rush. Yes, they got DeForest Buckner. Yes, Quiddie Paye has been good, but it's still kind of middle of the league, a little below average. So without having a top-tier pass rush, they're still holding against the low passing numbers and i think that's a great testament

to these two players that we've talked about today uh but before we get to our final player an offensive player that's been standing out for the colts recently i gotta talk to you guys about bet online bet online.net is your number one source for sports betting info stats news and analysis get the latest odds and trends for every professional and amateur league out there, from football to basketball to soccer to esports. We've got it all at BetOnline. And if you love sports podcasts, you can find those on BetOnline as well. We're always the fastest and easiest way to get your betting fix.

Head to the website today or use your mobile device to learn more. BetOnline, where the game starts. All right, Hag, so you and I are big draft nerds, and I know a couple years ago one of the biggest, you know, it was kind of a polarizing player, but you could see the speed. You could see the upside. This was wide receiver Paris Campbell, you know, out of Ohio State, Ohio State, the wide receiver factory,

and he's had a rough go of it in the NFL. Oh, yeah. Big-time injury after big-time injury. This year he's had a rough go of it in the nfl oh yeah big time injury after big time injury this year he's finally been healthy and even though it took a few games after that to kind of get going this is a guy where you can see that speed showing up every single game and he's really developed as a short route runner too like he's getting open underneath for matt ryan oh yeah and well and uh i was watching esp another day and they pulled up that stat they were talking about it's the lowest average completion in forever, right?

Passing yardage and all that good stuff. Well, a lot of that's attributed to, obviously, like we said, I think it's – I would say it started when people realized you can put two safeties deep and stop the Chiefs because, you know, the league was going for speed, speed, speed, speed, speed. And that's around the same time Paris and them came into the league. You had Paris. You had Curtis Samuels, you had all those fast guys, Scary Terry, all those guys come out of Ohio State.

Well, Paris Campbell has elite speed. He's not just fast. You know what I'm saying? He has a very elite speed. And the best thing an elite runner can do is learn how to run short routes because everybody is thinking, oh, he's about to take the top off. So me, as a former DB, I'm like, oh, hell no. I'm about to get out of here, and I'll just tackle him later.

You know what I'm saying? I'm not getting burnt. And then my mom and my girl are looking at me like, dang, that's my – you know, they got to put my cap down. But he's out here running hitches. He's out here. He's selling the vertical routes. He's got a little bit of movement to his routes,

which a lot of speed guys struggle with. And that was good to see because i hate seeing guys like paris campbell who i'm a big fan of consistently get that injury bug and we we get excited about him and we never get to see them fully healthy um but it's awesome that he's out here making plays now all types of plays like the the the slant to the house was like you said he looked like devo samuels all of a sudden but that was awesome to see because you got to see the full development of his game. And what year is it? Is it four now?

Yeah, four. Yeah, four now. You get to see a healthier version of him who's developing, which is scary for the NFL and great for Paris. Yeah, no, he's been on a tear the last couple of games that Matt Ryan has played. Even that one game with Sammy Ellinger against Washington, he had a really strong game. That slant call, that's the one I really want to talk about because that was what he was advertised as when the Colts drafted him.

It was a guy where you can throw mesh to him, you can throw wide receiver screens, you can handle the ball maybe in the backfield, and he's going to house it. That's what he did at Ohio State. He did that constantly at Ohio State. I think his average depth of target in college was one yard down the field. That's where he's that constantly at Ohio State. I think his average depth of target in college was like one yard down the field. Like that's where he's at.

Think about it. Like with Dwayne Haskins, you know, recipes to him, they destroyed college football. What did he have, 50 touchdowns or something close to that with that receiving core? And I remember watching that Michigan game. I remember watching the Michigan game, and I was like, it is death by mesh. Like, and them guys were just crossing and running and wheeling and doing this, and they were catching the ball, and they were just taking off, and there was nothing anybody could do about it, and that was so fun to watch.

But that's what they did, and that's what he's good at. Yep. Yep, and that's kind of what happened, you know, these last couple games and what really happened on that slant call was, you know, it was just a quick hitter. It was just a little sticks call and you got them in thought with the slot corner playing, you know, eight yards off for whatever reason. I mean, the Colts were just literally doing death by paper cuts all game long.

It's this Raiders defense, but they were still setting off eight yards back on the final drive. But man, that, that, and that play was Paris Campbell. That was what we were told paris campbell was going to be and yes it was some bad tackling yes it was bad defense but star players or really good players take advantage of bad defense and that's what he did on that play yeah no he takes away angles uh that that's the fun part about him like if you can split and i'll tell people i was if you want to know if somebody's fast, I was like, you can run a fast time and you can say you run this.

I want to see you split two defenders that have angles on you. If you can split, and if you've ever done it before, you know, for the people out there listening, if you've ever been lucky enough to do it, it's like, oh, I didn't get tackled. Like, and you're like, I ain't running because you're at maximum speed. And I feel like he was just shooting out, just gliding, gliding, gliding. Oh, I'm gone. didn't get tackled like and you're like i ain't running because you're at maximum speed and i feel like he was just shooting out just glad and glad and glad oh i'm gone and then what happens is and that's where it gets weird because even the guys that had the the angle on that should have tackled him the weird part about that is he's running so all you're worried about is not getting burnt right and you're like okay well i don't want to run into my guy and then what happens is you just

both get embarrassed you both miss the tackle because this guy's flying down the field at 22 miles per hour. So yeah. Yeah, no, it's like we always said with Isaiah Rogers on the other side, it's easy speed. That's what it is. Effortless speed, being faster than the best athletes in the world, because these are NFL players. I think it was a Mick Robertson or whatever that he was running

past at slot corner. I think at deep corner it was Trayvon Moore from TCU. Like these are great athletes. Great athletes. And Paris Campbell's pulling away with ease. I'm actually curious to see what Paris Campbell versus Isaiah Rogers in a track meet would look like. That would be a fun one.

I'm sure you can put that out on Twitter tonight and get that started, and I'm sure you'll get a text or two. I'm like, hey, man, chill out. Dude, Isaiah might – I don't know. That would be a good – I mean, because Isaiah's got like four times less on him, so he's a little lighter there that he could be flying. You know, again, talking some Paris camp before we close this thing out. Again, this is a player where we didn't get to see much of him at all

the last couple of years. I wonder what the mindset to be able to work through that three, four times or whatever it was, I think three or four times, major injuries to still be trusting your body on the football field. It's phenomenal. We see so many players where they have a couple injuries, they get back on the field, and it's not like they can't do what they couldn't do before.

It's that they mentally can't do it anymore. It's just every injury it's like covering up and falling down or just being afraid of contact. But he looks like Paris Campbell. Like this is four times major injuries. He looks like Paris Campbell. His resilience, I mean, whoever he works with, I think it's a tribute to them.

I think you have to give him credit as well because the only way you bounce back from that and look the same, you may not feel the same, but if you look the same, that means you're doing something right. That means he's attacking rehab. He's a resilient athlete. That means I would give credit to

his mental fortitude because it's hard. I've seen guys crumble after one. And, you know, so a lot of a lot of credit to him, to just his process in general, whether that be the offseason. I'm sure he has a good circle around him. So I think, you know, like I said, like, you know, I want to give him his credit in that part because that's not easy. Because, you know, we get excited about him year after year and then then it's freak accidents it's not even like crazy ones it's like you know sometimes you see guys land here like dang like i know he's he's done like we watch him go and we're like did that just happen no he'll be back back no he's done like that those break your heart a little bit yeah and it just breaks your heart that it's – again, it's not like, oh,

it's a sore foot, he's out for the year or something. You know, it's not like that. It's like toward ACL, toward Achilles, like busted knee. Like, it is major, major injuries for a speedster. And, again, he just keeps bouncing back, man. He's resilient. You know, I always say the best ability in the NFLfl is not speed it's not it's to be a cockroach it's to be someone that can survive anything those are the guys man those are the guys where you look up and you're like oh man

that guy had a 12-year career you know oh man ashton doolan is on year four with the colts like it's just specialty you know it's just stuff like that. Yeah, man. Yeah, those are the – you just got to be a cockroach to stick in this league. And Paris Campbell is doing it from a different angle. You know, he's a high draft pick, a guy with a lot of expectations. But he just keeps bouncing back from these injuries. And I really hope, you know, he can stay the rest of this year and he can put up 500, 600, 700 yards receiving because he deserves it, man. He has worked back hard enough.

He deserves all this. No doubt. No doubt. So, guys, I think that's all we have for today. If you guys are loving Jonathan Hackler jumping on the show and talking to some players, man, make sure you leave it in the comment section. Tell him how much you love him, and we'll try to get him on for some more bonus episodes for you guys

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