Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - T.Y. Hilton's uncertain future + Mock Draft Monday 1.0

Episode Date: March 2, 2021

On today's episode, Evan and Stampede Blue's Stephen Reed go over the latest Colts news with a 2021 NFL Draft twist. First up, we dive into the latest news surrounding T.Y. Hilton. Does Hilton have a future in Indy? Based off Hilton's tweet on Monday, it sounds like he might be leaving Indy if the money isn't right.Closing out the show, we do two mock drafts. First, we go through a 5-round mock draft via The Draft Network that features Indy bolstering their pass rush. Then, closing out the show, Evan and Stephen do a live 7-round mock draft with trade options via Pro Football Network.This is a jam-packed episode, Colts fans! Tune in for all your latest Colts insight! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You are Locked On Colts, your daily Indianapolis Colts podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. Hello everybody, welcome back to the latest episode of Locked On Colts for the Locked On Podcast Network. Today's always your host, Evan Sattery, joined by Stephen Reed of Stampede Blue. We are back in the saddle again here for a Monday night episode, Stephen, to talk through some interesting Colts news today, but really close and focus more so on the offensive end ahead. I know we have free agency starting in two weeks here, but it doesn't hurt to never talk about the 2021 NFL Draft. We're going to do that today for the last half of the episode.

Do a live mock draft, get some thoughts on some prospects to make some sense for the Colts. Go over some pass rushers, some guys who fit the criteria the Colts really have as well, whether that be captains or leadership qualities, senior bowl. There's a lot of interesting aspects the Colts really follow with draft prospects, and we'll go over that today and then close out with a live mock draft. So it's going to be a really fun one, Stephen. But let's start off with today's hot topic, which is T.Y. Hilton. Really nothing much on the T.Y. front so far, Stephen,

but a lot of interesting stuff coming out of the T.Y. Hilton camp in the last week or so. We all heard about him, Pat McAfee's show. If you haven't seen the clip yet, Stephen, I imagine you have. But Pat McAfee was talking about T you haven't seen the clip yet, Steven, I imagine you have, but that someone, like, Pat McAfee was talking about T.Y. Hilton on his show, and he brought up, like, how someone said T.Y. wasn't an elite receiver anymore. And then T.Y. replied to that video saying,

I believe nothing is supposed to be said about this if it's not true. I appreciate the support, Pat, or something along those lines. I don't have the thing verbatim in front of me. But that was about a week or so ago, and then McAfee and that video mentioned maybe TY going to the Buccaneers and TY replied to that video. But then let's hit on what today was about. And that was about TY Hilton putting out a tweet here on Monday, March 1st. That really caught me by surprise because it really made me think that he might've heard something from the organization. I just think it's really random put something out like this,

especially to explore free agency starts. Quote, no matter where I go, no matter who I pick, the ghost is ready to work. Hashtag free agency. I know T.Y. Hill has never experienced a free agency market before, so maybe he's excited about this. I know Justina Anderson put out a tweet earlier today, about an hour or so ago, with a text from T.Y. Hill

saying it's March 1st. So I imagine he's like cyber free, and he's never experienced it before. He signed a five-year extension here, and the last year was rookie deal in 2015. So he's never experienced this kind of environment before where he can test the open market and see what his value is, but putting out a tweet saying, no matter where I go, no matter who I pick, the ghost is ready to work. It sounds like to me that this reunion that could happen with the Colts and TY Hilton is not set in stone at all and maybe more so Stephen that the Colts have made it know the TY and his camp that we're not gonna put the best offer out there for you if you want to explore go get your money go right ahead we're not gonna be the team that

offered the most money that's just what I'm getting off that tweet may have read too much into a little bit Stephen but just the way that TY worded most money. That's just what I'm getting off that tweet. Maybe I'm reading too much into it a little bit, Stephen. But just the way that T.Y. worded that, especially two weeks away from camp, when usually agents from free agency, when teams and agents usually talk about guys who want to stay around or not, and there's usually some wink-wink tampering going on with other agents around the NFL about some outside free agents, it really makes you think, Stephen, that possibly T.Y. got word from his camp that Ballard and co. might not really be enthused with wanting to pay what T.Y. is asking for. Yeah, I think it's interesting, Evan, with how T.Y. phrased that.

It certainly makes it seem like he's excited for free agency and coming back to the Colts isn't a done deal. You know, a lot of us have talked about that, you know, we're getting more and more on board with the idea of having TY come back, depending on the salary. My guess is what happened within the Colts and Chris Ballard is that he went out and said, hey guys, let's try to work out an extension. And Chris Ballard does what he always does with his free agents and says here's my offer right now uh TY's agent probably wasn't really happy about that because it might be a little bit lower than what he was making before and then they said all right well we're going to go test the market and Chris Ballard said okay great go ahead and test the market and then come back to me if we can come up to that then then we will but

um you know chris beller's been really up front with his players and with any of his free agents that he understands that this game you don't get a lot of you you don't have a long tenure like you do you know potentially as a coach or you know as a general manager where you can coach, you can be a GM for a decade. Players' careers are short. And so Chris Ballard understands that the players need to get their money when they can. And if he can get more money elsewhere, then great for T.Y. I'd love to see him back with the Colts.

He'll pull at the heartstrings kind of thing. But T.Y. needs to do what's best for him and his family. So I wouldn't be surprised if he went out and got a decent offer in free agency. I think a lot of it will depend on what wide receivers become available from other teams. So if the market gets kind of stripped away by Kenny Galladay and Alan Robinson getting franchise tagged, then I think the likelihood of TY getting bigger money might be there for him. Now, at the same time, we have to take a look at the salary cap and the fact that it has decreased for the first time in close to a decade, I imagine. And teams are cash strapped.

And so they're trying to get under the cap. And there's not going to be big money out there for a, you know, over 30 wide receiver who has had two down years the past couple of years. And whether that is a product of having Jacoby Brissett as your quarterback in 2019 and then having no chemistry with Phillip Rivers and then having your complementary wide receivers be injured and Michael Pittman Jr. for part of the season and Paris Kimball going out early on. Now, whether that plays into it, who knows?

But T.Y. wasn't the T.Y ty that we've known uh you know over the since he was drafted and that that's tough that it's it's hard to see that happen as a fan and yeah i still think he's got i still think he's got juice left in him i still think he can play and in the right system i think that he can be very effective, but I think Chris Ballard is doing what he does with every other free agent is he said, go ahead and test the market, see what's out there. And if we can match it, we will. If not, then you'll go, go get yours. Yeah. You have to imagine T.Y. Hilton, his contract is going to be anywhere between, let's say in the Colts range, what

they probably pay him around $8 to $9 million, and that might be pushing it there. $10 million would be the extreme max there, I think, from the Colts side of things. Looking at spot track here, they value T.Y. Hilton's next contract at $10.1 million per year. That's right on the border, I think, of what the Colts would offer him on a short-term deal. But let's go to the wide receivers real quick for you, Steven. Like you mentioned, let's say Allen Robinson gets tagged,

and they tag and trade Allen Robinson. Same thing goes for Kenny Galladay in Detroit. If he refuses to play in Detroit anymore, they tag him. They can get a pickback for him in a tag and trade back scenario. Chris Godwin, let's say they tag him and let Shaquille Barrett walk in free NC, and he gets a big-time money deal somewhere as a pass rusher. So let's take off Robinson, Gall Galladay and Godwin off this list and that leaves you now Juju Smith-Schuster and then from there I mean after Juju it's probably

T.Y. Hilton as a top receiver student so you might be running the money there like if those big three guys Robinson Galladay and Godwin are off the board there it's really Juju and T.Y. and the rest of these guys like Will Fuller, Corey Davis, Nelson Aguilar, Marvin Jones, Sammy Watkins, A.J. Green, who's washed up at this point, Will Fuller, who has an injury history. So it really is, after those big three, like T.Y.'s – if all three of those guys are tagged or if they stay where they are, T.Y.'s like a top two, top three option for wide-out free agency.

Yeah, and that's going to be the most telling part is the franchise tag window i believe closes on march 9th i'm not i don't have it all in front of you but i think that's when it closes um the legal tampering period opens up here soon um even though i think it's already open uh but and it's obviously can't be really known about that but yeah it's really gonna make a difference on what's on the market and what's on the market is gonna set the price tag too so for example if you have a tag and trade scenario with alan robinson kenny colliday or chris godwin then like you mentioned it's juuju Smith-Schuster and he's probably not going to command, like Juju's probably going to command like a 15 million, 16 million a year. So maybe

a little bit more if he's the top guy. But then after that, do you want to pay 12, 13 million for T.Y. Hilton? Like that was what he made last year on his last extension, I believe. It was like five years, 65 million, something like that. So it's right about 13 million on average. So I wouldn't pay him that much, even with the salary cap that increased. I think you were spot on with saying that the offer is probably in that eight to $9 million range on a per year average probably like a two-year deal at nine million um is my guess is the high side of it i maybe ty gets 10 11 in the open market but i'd be hard-pressed to see what teams would be willing to pay that because honestly i'd rather pay somebody like nelson agalot um that that kind of money and. And Corey Davis, somebody who's young.

Corey Davis, I think, is like 25, 26 years old. Nelson Aguilar, I think, is like 28. And both are ascending talents. So I'd rather, you know, if I were a general manager, I'd rather pay those guys off of, you know, our projection, seeing how they would go versus, again, T.Y.'s had two down years in a row. It's tough.

It's really tough to justify paying that kind of money for a guy that's had two down years in a row. Yeah, it's going to be really interesting to see what happens there. And you look at the free agency market, and T.Y. held the stats real quick for those wondering. In 2019, Jacoby Bursette, 45 receptions for 501 yards in 10 games he of course he had some injuries in 2019 for five touchdowns this past year in 2020 he missed one game but he had 56 receptions for 762 yards and five touchdowns his yards per reception post andrew luck have taken a huge nosedive like in 2018 with andrew luck it was 16.7 yards per reception post-Andrew Luck have taken a huge nosedive. Like in 2018 with Andrew Luck, it was 16.7 yards per reception.

In 2019, went down to 11.1, which could have reset already a five-yard drop. Obviously, with Bursette really not being a deep shot guy, that makes sense. Phillip Burrows went up by a couple yards in 2020, but even still 13.6 is pretty pedestrian to average. It's not like an elite level for a yards per reception guy, for a number one wide receiver, especially in the NFL, on 93 targets too it makes you think looking at this list of teams here Steven I keep coming back to Juju Smith-Schuster being a New York Jet I think that's where he's going to wind up just because you see how much cap space the Jets have they have a weapon or they need a weapon for whoever the quarterback is whether it be Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson or Justin Fields they really really desperately need a number one guy.

And I think Juju, how he loves to be on social media and build his brand a little bit, I feel like he'll probably end up in New York Jet right when free agency starts with them having over $70 million in cap space. But you look at these other teams out there with some money that are contenders. I don't think T.Y. – from what we know about T.Y., Stu, I'd be shocked if he goes to a really bad team just to chase money. That would really

throw me off for a guy like T.Y. who won a ring. I think it's going to be a team with money that is in a good situation to be a win-now team if it's not the Indianapolis Colts. Some teams stand out to me here looking at this list of Colts, of course, around $50 million in cap space, but below them, the Washington football team with around $44

million. They have a huge question on quarterback, but they really need someone opposite Terry McLaurin. Maybe that T.Y. could go there to make a push with them. The Baltimore Ravens team can make a lot of sense. They have around $27 million in cap space. Miami Dolphins, too, at $28 million in cap space. The Buccaneers, they don't re-sign Chris Godwin or Antonio Brown. I think they make a lot of sense.

They have around $24 million. And you look at the Arizona Cardinals, who are definitely in a win-now push. We're going to hit on just a moment here with the J.J. Watt signing. But they have around $18 million of cash base after signing J.J. Watt. So if they want to add T.Y. Hilton alongside DeAndre Hopkins and Christian Kirk, and then let's say that Larry Fischero retires, even if Fitz is back, I could see him go after T.Y. Hilton and make a win-now push.

So you could say the Cardinals, the Bucs, the Dolphins, the Ravens, the Washington football team all make sense there as five options for the Colts or outside of that for the Colts with T.Y. Hilton. Off that list, Stephen, which one makes the most sense for T.Y. if it's not ended? I think it's probably either Baltimore or Miami, honestly, that makes the most sense. And I want to make sure I make it clear. I'd be really excited if T.Y. came back to the Colts.

Now, I talk about how he's down the past two years. He still has talent, but I'm just looking at it from a cost standpoint. And so at $11, $12 million, that's a little high for what I would want to pay for a guy like that. At $9 million, I'd be ecstatic that he comes back. $8, $9 million, I'd be ecstatic. But if you're looking at other teams, I think Baltimore makes a ton of sense, as does Miami. Especially depending on what Miami does leading up into the draft. You know, there's always rumors about Miami potentially trading with the Houston Texans,

with Deshaun Watson, and you hear that different teams are calling. I assume Miami will be one of them. And even if they don't get Deshaun Watson, they have Tua, and to give Tua a legitimate outside receiver that can really run and play, it gives him an opportunity to grow as a quarterback. Lamar Jackson, Baltimore is just like speed on speed. All their players are fast, and they're skilled position guys and so ty would have an opportunity to really thrive there for the main reason that the defenses that play baltimore have to play 11 on 11 like you can't just completely discount the quarterback like you could win like

for example with the colts or even the ravens when when they had Joe Flacco, the Colts with Phillip Rivers or Pete Manning, you could basically not account for the quarterback because you knew that he probably wasn't going to run. And if he did, then you've got guys that can read and react and get to him in time. With the Baltimore Ravens, you have to play 11 on 11 because you have to count for Lamar Jackson. And he is always a threat to run. He's always a threat to get outside. And so it gives a lot more one-on-one coverage options for your wide receivers. And I think T.Y. would thrive in that because what happened last year was for a lot of the season, they had a press man on him to bump him with the line of scrimmage, and they had bracket coverage over the top. Or they flooded his zone with defenders.

And so that's why it's really tough to gauge how T.Y. played other than you watch the film and you see, okay, he had trouble getting off the press. Was that because of his age? Was it because of these other circumstances? And so that's really the tough part with TY, especially last year. But I think Baltimore makes a lot of sense because they would have to account for the quarterback in that situation. And it would give the wide receivers a lot more opportunities in terms of one-on-one matchups. Last one here on TY, Stephen, before we dive into our next topic, but let's say the Colts do resign TY, which like you mentioned, me and you both are not discounting the fact

TY could return. We both wouldn't be opposed to TY coming back. I think he'd be a legit high-end wide receiver two or even a low-tier wide receiver one for this team. I just don't know if I could trust him to be the full-fledged elite wide receiver that we saw in his peak, which is from around 2014 to 2018, which he was a, I think in my opinion, a top 10 receiver in the NFL. But since the post Andrew Luck days, he's hadn't shown that of course, due to quarterback inconsistencies, injury concerns and stuff like that. But let's say they re-sign T.Y. to like a two year, $20 million deal or something along

those lines. I feel like in that scenario, Steven, you're really betting a lot on Michael Pittman Jr. to be your future number one wire receiver because I feel like they just bring T.Y. back to, of course, be a good vertical threat, a good reliable threat in the slant routes, the short game, and also the deep threats when you can. But also, I feel like you only bring T.Y. back to be a mentor for a guy like MPJ and Chris Campbell. But what do you think about that? Yeah, I think that that's pretty

accurate. If you bring T.Y. back and you bring him back for $8 to $10 million, you're not looking at him as a wide receiver one. And the contract pretty much tells you that. You're looking at him to be more of a mentor, more of a voice in the locker room. You're hoping that Paris Campbell can stay injury-free because if Paris Campbell can stay injury-free, because if Paris Campbell can stay injury-free, then that guy, he's got legs for days and can just run and run and run and will just blow by people. I mean, you saw it in the handful of games

that he was able to play. You saw the talent is there. Michael Pittman Jr., same way, he is deceptively fast and deceptively, and deceptively, not deceptively athletic, but deceptively agile to get in and out and make defenders miss. And so if Michael Pittman Jr. can really show out this next year, I think that's what the Colts are betting on, is that he's going to be able to come in and play. And I've heard a lot of people say that if the Colts don't re-sign T.Y., that means

they're going for a big name wide receiver. I don't think that's true, because that's not really, unless if it's Allen Robinson, I really don't see Chris Ballard breaking the bank on a single player. I see him making a lot of smaller deals there, like with a Corey Davis or Nelson Aguilar. Nelson Aguilar has experience with Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz has the best season with Nelson Aguilar as one of his top wide receiving options. And so I wouldn't discount Nelson Aguilar as an option for the Colts and free agency as a low cost, you know, low cost, high reward kind of signing there. So that's kind of where I'm at with it. I wouldn't think T.Y. would be a number one option for the Colts,

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didn't have cap space, but Green Bay had some. Buffalo had some. Once Watt was cut, we heard both those teams really right away, but what really caught me off guard with the report about J.J. Watt and the official signing, Watt's already landed in Arizona. He's going to officially sign his deal tomorrow. But you see the report from Arizona sports John Gamadora, who, ironically enough, I know Gambo personally because I've lived out in Arizona, and I pretty much know his sources in the Cardinals organization just based off interactions with him

and really just seeing the way he does business. And just from what I know personally, Stephen, this is more of like an Arizona insight just because I'm unique enough to give that to everyone here. But I would have to guess that his source was Steve Keim or someone in the Cardinals organization really driving this up because according to Gambo, he made it known, he tweeted out earlier today that not only were the Colts interested in J.J. Watt,

but I guess according to Gambo's intel here from the Cardinals organization, that J.J. Watt signed the Cardinals is not the most he was offered. According to him, the Cleveland Browns and the Annapolis Colts each offered more money. Tennessee's offer was very similar. But from what I mentioned there, ironically enough, Stephen Holder and Zach Kiefer came out with their own counter-report to that because they heard all the smoke around this today

with that report from John Gambadoro. Stephen Holder pretty much came out and said that from what he's heard inside the Colts organization, this is a bunch of BS. Like, it sounded like, he said, quote, I know there was a report out of Arizona that J.J. Watt turned down bigger money from the Colts. However, I got a very strong denial on that.

I'm not even certain they made a big push, to be honest. So that's what we heard from Kiefer and Holder on the situation. Kiefer retweeted and said that I heard the same thing. So this makes you think, honestly, that maybe Arizona was putting out some intel to their local team, near the local B-Riders, to let them know, like, to maybe push up the signing more for JJ Watson. Like, hey, we beat these teams out.

We paid them, like, $16 million a year because other teams out there were really doing it. But it might have just been, like, a fake report to just make it seem like, hey, we paid big money for JJ Watt, maybe more than we should have. But let's just throw a couple teams in the mix to make it sound better to our local audience. So what do you think about that report from Arizona sports John Gambadoro that reportedly was shot down a couple hours ago by Stephen Holder and Zach Cooper? I think that it's a bit of rubbish, to be honest.

I just don't see Chris Ballard offering more than what it was, like $15.5 million per year for J.J. Watt. It sounds a lot like you said. It sounds a lot like PR coming from the Arizona Cardinals trying to get everybody on board saying, hey, look at this great deal that we just got for J.J. Watt. They took us. He took us.

He thinks that we're more likely to win a championship than these other teams. And so, yeah, that's the way that I look at it. Paying J.J. Watt that kind of money kind of goes against Chris Ballard's entire philosophy to this point. J.J. Watt is 32 years old, and he's more of a leader in the locker room. I'm sure he's still got some elite play left in him. I know based on some analytics that J.J. Watt still is one of the best at getting pressures

despite getting double teamed consistently. But quite honestly, if they're going to sign a veteran leader at the defensive end position, I'd rather they just re-sign Justin Houston. And you're going to get him for cheaper than what you got JJ Watt for. So I think that it seems like it's probably a lot of, a lot of PR from the Arizona Cardinals trying to get the fan base excited, try to more so justify their spending this kind of money on

J. J. Watt. And good for J. J. Watt. He's worth every penny that anybody's going to pay for him. That's my view on players in general is whatever somebody is willing to pay for you, you're worth every penny of that. So good for him to get the contract that he wanted. He basically makes up the money that he lost in being cut. He was going to make $17 million with Houston. Now he's going to make 15 and a half in Arizona. I just don't see that being true, though, that Chris Ballard offered him more money. I could see Cleveland offering him more money. Andrew Barry would probably have jumped at that opportunity to sign J.J. Watt. I could see Tennessee being close, but I just don't think that the Colts were likely anywhere near it. And I,

quite honestly, I, my guess is Chris Ballard just reached out and said, Hey, just want to gauge interest. You interested in coming here? What kind of numbers are you looking at? And I really doubt that the Colts even made a legitimate offer to JJ Watt. Yeah, I'm right there with you. I just think it was Cardinals front office really blowing some smoke here to make it sound better that, hey, we paid a premium price for J.J. Watt, and he chose us over two legit teams in the AFC in Cleveland and in India offering him more money. I think just from what we heard from Holder and Kiefer earlier today too, it sounds like from the Colts front office standpoint

that this isn't true at all. And I just want to really just quickly point that out just because it's such an interesting report today from all sides. But really, Arizona is intriguing me this year. It's with J.J. Watt, Chandler Jones. You have Kyler Murray, DeAndre Hopkins. If they go out and get like a T.Y. Hilton, I'm actually really intrigued by what Arizona can do this year in 2021.

But let's dive in now to our mock draft Monday. We're going to make this more of a weekly special here. Maybe once free agency gets going for a week or two, we're going to stop this and put a pause on it. But for really the next six weeks, I want to go and do like a mock draft Monday and focus a lot on the draft leading up to it for like the last like 10, 15 minutes of our show each week,

because this 2021 draft class is so interesting, especially with the Colts keeping their first, second round picks this year, 21 and 54 overall. So at first up, we're going to dive in to a mock draft I did last night. I posted it on the Locked on Colts Twitter account via the draft network. And then Steven and I are going to go over a live mock draft at the Pro Football Network, which is a free trade machine. I know TDN, you have to pay for it. So we're going to go to PFN and do it over there as well.

But Steven, let's go through our TDN mock draft I did last night and get your thoughts on it. So at 21 at this point, I did this around midnight Eastern last night for those wondering. And for my pick at 21 for the Colts, it was really intriguing what happened there. Darryl Saul went off the board early. Like a lot of the premium blue chip offense type was like Cosme, Darryl Saul went off the board. Bateman was off the board.

The wire shift minister was really gaining steam. I was considering him a little bit. But at this point, the only edge rusher off the board at 21 was Quiddy Pay out of Michigan. And we saw guys like Gregory Russo, Jalen Phillips, Aziz Ojulari, all on the board at 21. So with guys like Liam Eikenberg and Dylan Radun still available, and even guys like Alex Leatherwood and others, I thought, you know, one of those guys might slip a 54,

so I'm just going to roll the dice here and take an edge rusher at 21 with how important pass rush is in the Colts scheme. And why not swing the dice on a guy like Jalen Phillips from Miami? That was my first pick here, number 21 overall. Former five-star recruit, had some concussion history at UCLA. Then he transferred to Miami and put up some monster numbers this past year. He's really intriguing to me. He has the length.

He has the athleticism that Chris Bauer likes. He wasn't a team captain or a senior bowl guy this year just because I think he was a redshirt junior with him declaring. But he has the injury history red flags. But if that clears, this guy is a freak athlete. 6'5", 240 pounds, very bendy, very explosive. He can play all three downs great against the run as well. What's your thoughts on Jalen Phillips from Miami, 6'5", 240?

I imagine we'll dive into more of these guys as we get closer and closer to April here, Stephen. But going edge rusher at 21 with a high upside pick by Jalen Phillips. I like the idea of going edge rusher early. There's a stat that we've talked about, I think, before about the 15 of the top 20 edge rushers in the NFL in terms of pressure percentage were taken in the first round, something along those lines. So in order to get that top tier edge rusher, you really do need to take him early or pray that they develop because you don't get Robert Mathis in the sixth round every year. I really like the idea of Jalen Phillips.

He's, like you said, he's such a freak athlete, and he was the number one overall recruit, I think, in his class coming out of high school. And then the injury bug really hit him at UCLA until he transferred. And he's really shown some some great promise um at Miami and so getting him there he could legitimately be the top edge rusher in this class and it's not a it's not a high you know it's a deep class at edge rusher but it's not like high in that like the premium talent um but Jalen Phillips got an opportunity to be the number one edge rusher in this class. You can make an argument for it.

He's got everything that Chris Ballard really looks for in an edge rusher. What he looks for is somebody that can play in this defense. I'll be more interested to see when... I know that there's fake combine right now, so I want to see when I know that there's like fake combine right now. So I want to see some measurables come out in terms of like wingspan. Cause I know that that's a big Chris Ballard. MO is looking at the wingspan of guys on defense. Cause he likes long guys.

I want to see, you know, you obviously want to see the three cone stuff like that, see if they even do that this year. I don't, and if you can even trust the numbers that you're seeing posted on, on Tik TOK and Twitter. So that's going to be a big thing for me, but in terms of potential,

I think Jalen Phillips is probably has the best potential of anybody at the address or position in this class. So I'm, I'm totally fine with them taking him at 21. Really quickly. If we're diving to 54 overall, Steven, cause this is a guy that me and you are really intrigued by. And I tweeted this out yesterday them taking him at 21. Really quickly before diving into 54 overall, Stephen, because this is a guy that me and you are really intrigued by, and I tweeted this out yesterday as well on the LockedOnColts Twitter account.

Chris Bauer loves discount hunting in free agency, and Romeo Arcoira, the Lions' edge rusher, really checks all the boxes there for a wave two free agent. That's probably going to cost around $8 million to $10 million per year, only 25, 26 years old. Can you imagine? I feel like it would be a perfect offseason as far as addressing the pass rush goes. If you sign Akwara, you draft Jalen Phillips at 21,

and you're starting four out front there are Akwara, Grover, Stewart, DeForest, Buckner, Jalen Phillips, and then behind them you have Kamoko Ture, Tyquan Lewis, Danico Autry, Al-Khani Mohamed, and Ben Banigou. That's a legitimate eight to nine guys there. We know Chris Bauer loves to have depth there in a defensive line, but if you add Phillips and Okwara to the starting group with Buckner and Stewart and you have those young guys behind them developing more, that's a legitimate freaky lineup there.

Yeah, and it goes to Chris Bauer's pedagogy. He's going to build through the trenches build through the trenches. It's, I think that'd be great. Romeo Acquire has been my like low key, like really awesome home run signing for the Colts. If they can get a chance at him and he might have a legitimate opportunity to hit the market with, with the Detroit Lions likely going to use that franchise tag on Kenny Galladay. So if Chris Ballard could sign a Romeo Acquired just period,

I'd be super excited because I think that he's got just great potential. He's an ascending talent. He's young. You could probably get him for, you know, in, in that range, I think you're probably might have to pay a little bit more for it. Then, then eight to 10, I think you're probably looking at like a nine to 12 in there and not much more. But I still think you can get him cheap like a 9-12 in there, not much more. But I still think you can get him cheap if you can get the potential out of him

of that high-end addressure. So I'd really like that offseason and being able to resign either Danico Autry or Al-Khadi Mohamed or both. That would be a real coup for the Colts defensive line. Number 54 overall here on my draft network mock draft. Like I mentioned, we're going to do a live PFN mock draft here after these four picks I do for the five-round mock draft. But 54 overall, this one is really standing out to me,

maybe even more so at the Colts' draft from 21, because the whole time we thought Ed Dobbs at Fargo, North Dakota, for their one game this year for North Dakota State, to see Trey Lance, and he might have been. I mean, who knows, but he might have been looking at Trey Lance. But Dylan Radunz, who's been known as a late first, early to mid second round guy for North Dakota State this whole time, senior bowl, captain, leadership qualities, athletic.

He checks all the boxes there for the Colts as far as their prospects go, especially at left tackle to replace Anthony Costanzo. Dylan Radunz at 54 overall was still there for me in the second round I feel like if he's there at 54 the Colts are up the card if they don't take one at 21 soon because I feel like the more I think about Ed Dodds being in North Dakota State this year the more I think it might have been for Dylan Radun's but what do you think about Radun's being possibly your plug and play left tackle at 54 overall. It's funny you say that because when I saw, when that first came out that Ed Dodds was out there for at North Dakota

State, I made a comment about that exact thing where I'm like, well, he could be out there for Trey Lance, but he also could be out there for, for his, you know, left tackle there, Dylan Radun. It's like, that's a legit, you know, top, top tier left tackle potentially in this class. Um, I wouldn't be shocked at that at all. I think if Radun's is there going into the late forties, I could see Chris Ballard trying to trade up for him. Um, cause he just wouldn't want to let him slip. You've seen Chris Ballard make those moves in the second round to just go

get a guy that, that they really like. Uh, Dylan Rad Radunes is a guy that can really step in and start right away. He's got the talent. He's got the experience. Like you said, he's a senior bowl guy. He's a team captain. Literally has every quality that Chris Ballard asks for in his players that he wants in there to build that culture in that locker room. You'd be able to put him there immediately at the left tackle position.

Quentin Nelson can help guide him. And as soon as he's a smart player, once he learns the ropes, he's going to be on his own and he's going to be totally fine. And you effectively got an offensive line that's in place with four guys that are very, very young. I want to say all four of Braden Smith Brian Kelly Quentin Nelson and would it be Dylan Radunce would be under 26 years old and that's just mind-blowing because that's four legitimate starters along the offensive line that

are really really young and can grow together if If they could stay together for five to ten years, or five to seven years, that would be just an absolute coup for whoever is playing quarterback for the Colts. Yeah, keep an eye on Radun's here as we get closer to the draft. I think he checks really almost every single crisp out of our box, and it wouldn't be shocking at all, honestly. If they had the combine this year, I think Radun's probably would have rose up a little bit.

So don't be shocked if they even take Radun to 21 or no tradeback scenario in the late first round, but especially because he wasn't this scenario at 54 overall. The Colts are not the card for him. So I think so far a really solid draft with Jalen Phillips and Dylan Radun. But this is skipping now to round four, no trades in this draft network scenario. Demador Leenwar, I think I pronounced that correctly. If not, I apologize to him out there.

But Demador, lean war, the CB out of Oregon. He was at the Senior Bowl. He has inside-out versatility. He's athletic as well. 5'11", 215 pounds. He could be your backup nickel. He could be a boundary corner as well. With the uncertain future of Marvell Tell opting out

and Frank Reich really not commenting about Marvell Tell and other opt-out guys, really kind of pivoting to Chris Bowden at that point in his press conference last week. It makes me think Marvell Tell's future here might be a little murky. So you address that. You take a high upside swing on a guy like Lean War in round four who could be your backup nickel, who could also play boundary as well. You need to add some sort of cornerback depth this offseason, Stephen,

because we don't know what's going to happen to Xavier Rhodes. Rocky Hacina is still a question mark as well. Same goes for Marvell Tell. What do you think about addressing cornerback early on in day three? I think that's a position that's definitely going to be addressed at some point in the draft. I would say the cornerback position in general is downplayed in this defense. Now, Dion Medor-ador Lenoir, again, however that's pronounced, I'm sure will get corrected as the draft season comes along.

My concern with him is the athleticism, because I didn't think that he was just a freaky athlete, anything like that. And so that's going to be my concern. I'd be interested to see what his times are um and and just see what his you know his measurements are he's 5 11 you know the cover two style corners they're generally a little bit bigger a little bit longer uh longer arms and so that would be my only concern with him he is is aggressive, though, and he's a pretty good tackler. And so I think that in the Colts defense, one that is aggressive,

one that utilizes a little bit more off-man zone coverage, like that cover three, cover two that they typically run, he could make a lot of sense in round four. I'd be – I just don't – i'm just not a huge fan of him as a player uh as as of right now um again once you go back and watch the tape two three times you might change your mind uh but i see the fit uh for him i just think that it might be a little high in the fourth round. Yeah, something to watch out for, obviously.

We'll have to see what happens to the cornerback. But let's take a swing on Leinwar. He fits the senior bowl mold. I think he's a captain of Oregon as well. So that's why I kind of went in his direction, because he fits the character box. It's the coolest look for here. But the last pick here in the Draft Network mock draft for Devin to our live one featuring tradebacks to the PFN mock draft.

This is our guy. So we're not just, he fits the athletic traits as a vertical threat. Josh, a meter BB, the wide receiver out of Illinois was there for me at one 67, the fifth round pick. Why not take a swing on a guy that's athletic like him,

Steven? I mean, at this point in the draft, like the fifth, sixth, seventh round, it's all about upside at this point. So why not swing on a guy has a 47 inch vertical,

a guy could be a deep thrift for Carson Wentz. We developed be developed into that i just think it makes a lot of sense for him if he's still there in the fifth round absolutely i i'm as we've talked about before i'm a big fan of his um just the athleticism the ability to go up down the seam um and go on those go routes. He makes a lot of sense for this offense as somebody who could play outside, who can really take the top off, make those. What the Colts need in this offense is somebody that can make the safeties respect the deep ball. So then they can't push up and play on, play in the box to crowd the box for Jonathan Taylor or kind of muddy up the middle of the field for those crossers.

And so having somebody like Amit or Bebe who can just go and can fly and you have to respect him and respect his athleticism, respect his speed, then it gives the Colts another dimension to that offense. And with Carson Wentz being the type of player and the type of thrower he is, he loves throwing those deep go routes that are effectively 50-50 balls. And if Amitabh can come up and make those catches more often than not, he'd be a perfect fit. And once you get to day's, he'd be a perfect fit. And I,

once you get to day three as a general matter, and I know I poo-pooed the Lenoir pick a little bit, but once you get to day three, you're looking at guys that, that maybe slid down draft boards for one reason or another, but that really kind of fit your system or development guys that you think can you project as being either solid quality backups, or you're projecting that you might get a steal there out of these guys, if you're able to develop them. So I really liked the Amita Reby pick here. I think that he makes a lot of sense given where this offense is likely to go. Built bar is the best tasting protein bar ever.

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with the Peacock and Williamson podcast, part of the Locked On podcast network. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. So that's the end of our Draft Network mock draft there, Stephen. Really appreciate going through those four picks with me. This is where it's going to get even more fun now. We just went through in-depth four picks out of the draft network mock draft we did, or that I did for last night on Twitter. But let's go through now the PFN live mock drafts from there for our listeners here.

Seven-round mock draft. There's tradeback ops available. Once we get to the later picks, I know there's probably some guys we're not going to really know that much about, so we can just go by position at that point but let's let's kick this off here i'm just turning on the simulator we're going down through to pick 21 let's see who's on the board for us steven okay so first off we have an offer from the carolina panthers at 21 overall it's pick 39 pick 73 So you move back 18 spots. You pick up a third round pick plus a 2022 Carolina second round pick,

which could be a top five pick in the second round next year, almost like the Washington Redskins special that we saw Chris Bauer pull off to get Michael Pittman Jr. with a rocky scene trade. The Colts have sent back 21 and pick 207. I believe that's their sixth or seventh round pick. Sixth. Yeah. I believe that's their sixth or seventh round pick. Sixth, yeah. You doing that deal? I have to see what's on the board.

Yeah, let's go. If Rashawn Slater's on the board, then I'm probably going to take Rashawn Slater. So I heard you say ooh, so let me know what happened here. Okay, so we've been talking about this guy. I feel like this is our guy on the podcast, but that's a very appealing trade. But Stephen Christian, Darisol's staring us right in the face. Yeah, I feel like you've got to go with that.

Go with Darisol, decline the trade? Yeah, I think that you've got to. I love that it's really tempting to go with that second pick next year because you're effectively – if you make the trade back with Carolina, you still put yourself in line to get like a Liam Eikenberg or a Dylan Radunes or somebody like that at 39. You get your third round pick that you just traded for Carson Wentz and you get that second round pick next year. But I feel like Christian Derrissaw is probably too good of a prospect to pass up at this

point. So I would probably decline the trade and take Christian Derrissaw. We'll go with that, Stephen. I mean, Derrissaw is ranked 13th on PFN's board. He is, I think, easily top three offense tackle in this class. I think he's right there with Sean Slater for me too. He might, at the end of this, might be my offensive tackle too, buying Panay Sewell in this class.

That's how high I am on Christian Derusaw. And if he's there at 21, this really reminds me of the Anthony Cassando pick in 2011, where you can go out and get your blue chip left tackle. He slips down the board a little later than we all thought. Cassando, what we thought was going to be a consensus top 15, top 20 pick, slips to 22, and the Colts have their

guy for the next 10 plus years. I'm going to go with Christian Derusaw here, decline that trade. That's very appealing, but let's go with Darasol here at 21 and we'll go to 54 because I think Darasol, Quinn Nelson, Stephen's going to be a lot of fun, but Colts back up on the board here at 54 and we have an offer here from the New York Giants, another very appealing one, Stephen. Pick 54, you move back 22 spots, okay? 54 plus 127 now. So you've got your second and your fourth round pick. But you get 76 and the Giants' 2022 second round pick, which could be, again, another top five pick in next year's draft.

I got to see. I got to know what's on the board. Let's see here. We just addressed offensive tackle. So let's look at wide receiver. Let's look at edge rusher. Okay, so as far as edge rushers go, have boogie bash i'm out of wake forest jordan smith out of uab is there uh patrick jones at a pit quincy roach out of miami is now at rushers go cornerback let's go to corner real quick asante samuel jr is there elijah mold and aaron robinson really not

many guys eric stokes no so let's go to wide out real quick and tight end. Tight end. Brevin Jordan is there at 54. I don't know if he intrigues you enough to move back or stay there and not accept that trade, but Brevin Jordan is there. Wide receiver Rondale Moore is there at 54. Does that intrigue you at all? It just depends on if T.Y. Hilton's back or not. In this scenario, Stephen, is T.Y. Hilton back for you? I'm going to say T.Y. is probably not back for me in this scenario. Okay.

And so I'd still kind of look at this. I'd honestly probably, well, what, we'd be giving up our fourth-round pick. Yeah, 54- and 127 for 76 you move back 22 spots and you also lose a pick around 40 picks later after that but you gain their third round pick and you gain possibly a top 40 pick in the 2022 draft um let's see what other wide receivers are there uh let's check here let me go back on the board rondale moore amon ross same brown amari rogers tylen wallace duane eskridge like any of those real no any of those options um i probably would uh i don't want to give up the fourth round pick because then that means you don't have a pick for about 70 picks and they're in between

so i'd probably go with like a rondale more um in that situation with those those guys available all right let's reject that to see if there's anything else that this first trades go there's not okay so lock in rondale more yeah let's go with it all right let's do it we're going to be back up on the board here for round three. See if there's any trade-offs that appeal to us. Obviously, the Carson Wentz trade, there's nothing there for us on the board to give Carson Wentz for a third round pick. So, so far, Christian Derusaw, Rondell Moore, that's a hell of a draft for the Colts, their first two picks. Back up on the board here with a trade-off for the Colts. This could be intriguing for them. I mean, honestly, we'll have to see what you think here, Steven, but pick 127, the Colts. This could be intriguing for them. I mean, honestly, we'll have to see what you

think here, Steven, but pick 127, the Colts are back up here in the fourth round. They have a option here from the Pittsburgh Steelers who are a pick behind them. See, it's 127 for 128 and 253. So their late seventh round pick. So pretty much yours moving back one spot pick up a side of the front pick. Would you do that? I'd probably do that. Yeah, let's do it. I mean, you gain one pick from moving back one spot. Might as well just do it. So let's go ahead and accept that,

and we'll be back up on the board in one pick here. So, so far we've addressed wide receiver, offense tackle. We're probably due here for defense here soon. I have to imagine edge rush. Edge and cornerback. Yeah, edge and corner. so let's go over the cornerback options real quick uh topping their pfns board here we have robert rochelle central arkansas rodarius williams at oklahoma state paulson adibo out of stanford demodore lean war out of oregon edge rushers we can go over there um we have dalen Hayes and Notre Dame.

Shaka Toney out of Penn State. Victor Demujike out of Duke. Those are the top guys so far for edge and corner. I'd probably run with Paulson Adebo there out of that group. I feel like he's a pretty good fit for this defense. It kind of runs into the same thing, though, with the Demodoro-Lenoir discussion we just had. There's some concerns with durability.

There's some concerns there, athleticism. But I feel like his intelligence in this system, in this scheme, could really pay dividends. Let's lock it in. Paulson, a D-boat, cornerback out of Stanford. Pick 128. The Colts move back one spot. Pittsburgh get a seventh-round pick.

So let's lock in Paulson, Adebo, cornerback, Stanford. We back up on the board again in just a second here with the fifth-round pick for the Colts. So far, I think a very good haul for them. But let's go over now. There's no trade offers on the board for the Colts at 166. So they're just staying put where they are. Let's go edge rusher. And there's also maybe

tight end. I'd say that's probably the two right now. Yeah. It's down to me. Tight end, Trey McKitty out of Georgia, Quentin Morris out of Bowling Green, Nick Eubanks out of Michigan are the top of the board for tight end. Going to edge rusher here. Ellerson Smith out of Northern Iowa is there staring us in the face. I feel like Ellerson. Yeah, that's the guy. You want to do that one? Yeah, Ellerson Smith. That was going to be the question I would have for you if he was available in that top three group. All right, perfect.

Let's go ahead and lock that in. I feel like it's an easy pick. Making an upside swing on Smith in round five really makes a lot of sense for them. So we'll lock in Ellerson Smith as rusher out of Northern Iowa. The Colts will be back up here in just a second for round six. They also have two seventh-round picks here in this mock draft. No trade scenarios here for the Colts in the sixth round. So they're back up on the board here. So far they've addressed left tackle, wide receiver, cornerback, and edge rusher.

Let's see what else. What do you think the Colts needs are at this point? Maybe go for a safety or a tight end or maybe add in a running back if they get rid of Marlon Mack or Jordan Wilkins. What do you think? Maybe some offensive line depth as well? My spots right here would probably be tight end, safety, and offensive guard. Okay, let's see. Tight end, they have – I honestly don't know some of these guys.

Kerry Angeline, tight end out of North Carolina State. Kylan Granson, tight end out of SMU. Noah Gray, the tight end out of Duke, who was a team captain for them, and he was at the Senior Bowl as well. So you check some leadership boxes there. It seemed like I really had a list I could consider there in the sixth round. Offensive guard, they have Tommy Pramer out of Notre Dame, who tops their board. That's my guy.

He's a good one. I think he's a good one as well. And in looking as well at some guys at safety or linebacker, let me check out that list real quick. They have Israel Mukwamu out of South Carolina, who could transition to safety if you wanted him to. Jamar Johnson out of Indiana. Really not a lot of guys there.

Looking at a linebacker as well, not really a lot of guys there either. So do you want to lock in some offensive line depth and add Tommy Kramer? Yeah, I would go with Kramer. Yeah. Okay, let's lock that in. Tommy Kramer, offensive guard on Notre Dame. So the Colts are going to be closing it out here in the seventh round with two picks. Almost back-to-back here. So, so far they've gone for two offensive linemen.

They got Darryl Saul. They got Kramer to fill out some depth behind them and the offensive line. Rondale Moore. They got an edge rusher in Ellison Smith with some high upside. They got Paulson Adebo for some cornerback depth. There could be a steal in round four. So at this point, you have two center-round picks, Stephen. Maybe go for tight end.

Maybe go for a wide receiver or running back. Maybe go for a safety. What are you thinking here? Probably I'm looking at either corner, depth at corner or safety so like defensive backs uh tight ender and potentially running back that's kind of where my my head's at on it okay so looking at the list here let's start with running back they have puka williams out of kansas master t Ohio State, that's top of the list there. Tight end, they have a Matt Bushman out of BYU, Crow Wells out of TCU, and Luke Farrell out of Ohio State.

And in going to safety, they have, like I mentioned, Jamar Johnson of Indiana is on the board there. Cornerback, they have, I think this is Zach Hicks' guy, so just for Zach's sake, so shout out, Zach. This is kind of his guy in this draft process. Shamar Jean Charles, the cornerback out of Appalachian State. App State, yeah. Yeah, and I believe the Colton defensive backs coach is from App State. He is. So you want to lock in Shamarjean Charles? Shout out Zach. Yeah, I would probably take him in that scenario. All right, let's lock that in. Last pick of the draft

now. So we've got two corners here. One can transition to safety if you want to. But you add in two corners. So 253, they're back on the board here. Might as well go offense at this point. They added two DBs. So let's go either tight end or running back, Stephen. What do you prefer here? Kind of just rolling the dice with the late seventh round pick.

You know, let's go with tight end. end okay now let's see what we got here um from the guys i know on this list i'd probably just go luke farrell out of ohio state because he's honestly the only guy i know on this list the other ones i haven't really dove in much on at all at this point those that's the one that stands out to me but um dylan soner out of out of iowa state is someone that zach's talked to too so those two guys stand out to me. But Dylan Soner out of Iowa State is someone that Zach's talked to, too. So those two guys stand out to me. Let's go ahead and I'll lock in Luke Ferrell out of Ohio State, just to roll the dice on a guy in the seventh round.

Might not make the roster here, but you add in some tight end depth close out the draft. Yeah, he's a tough guy. He's a good blocker. Yeah, this is a very intriguing one here. So one trade back here, the Colts move back in the fourth round, pick up a seventh-round pick, so they end up with seven picks. Excuse me.

Yeah, seven picks in the 2021 NFL draft that we just did, Stephen. Christian Derusaw, Rondale Moore, Paulson Adebo, Ellerson Smith, Tommy Kramer, Shamarjean Charles, and Luke Farrell. In this scenario, you have to imagine the Colts address edge rusher pretty well in free agency. You get like a Romeo Arcoir on board. You add in a playmaker, T.Y. Hilton walks, you add in Rondell Moore in his place. That's a very explosive option to replace T.Y. And then you add in a lot of, I think, good secondary depth with Gene Charles and Paulson Adebo there. You add in an offensive lineman in Tommy Kramer, who's going to be a swing tackle or guard. So now you

have like eight legitimate guys there. If you add in Will Holden, Danny Pinter, in Tommy Kramer is going to be a swing tackle or a guard. So now you have like eight legitimate guys there. If you add in Will Holden, Danny Pinter, and Tommy Kramer as your reserve guys for next year. So your offensive line depth is pretty set now, which was a weakness last year. Then you add in Luke Farrell of Ohio State with a seventh-round pick. Maybe he makes the roster. Maybe he doesn't.

He could be like a Jack Doyle type. Then you also look at Ellerson Smith. A roll of dice in the fifth round there. He could really try to be a steal of the draft. He has the traits. He has the traits. He has the length that Chris Bauer likes. So, Stephen, what's your thoughts going through that live mock draft where you end up with Darryl Saul, Moore, and Adebo,

and Smith for your first four picks? I think that's an A draft to me. Yeah, I'm pretty happy with it overall. It addresses a lot of the needs. It gets you an elite left tackle that I honestly didn't think would be there at 21. Even with him there, that Carolina offer made me think twice about it, just because to pick up that extra third round pick and then the second round pick that they gave away for Carson Wentz, you know, that's a tough one to turn down. But I think Christian Darisaw, the upside of having a left tackle that, you know, you hope will be your starting left tackle for the next 10 to 12 years is absolutely worth it.

Steven, this was a lot of fun, man. I know we went a little long, but I know our listeners always enjoy when me and you get deep in these conversations. And especially when we're doing like a live mock draft, we're only about six weeks away from the NFL, 2020 NFL draft, we're only about two weeks away from pre-agency here. So we covered a lot of ground today. I mean, we went over a couple of mock drafts. We did a live mock draft for the listeners, talked about T.Y. Hilton for the first 15 or so minutes,

went over the J.J. Watt report that was shot down by The Athletic today. But, man, this is a lot of ground we covered today. I appreciate you coming on, Steven. Yeah, absolutely.