Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - Why the Colts pushed their chips in on Carson Wentz + what comes next with Kevin Bowen
Episode Date: February 26, 2021On today's episode, Kevin Bowen of 107.5/1070 The Fan joins Evan for another look at the Carson Wentz trade. Why did Indy do this deal? GM Chris Ballard is showing 100% trust in Frank Reich, and possi...bly betting their job security on it. All angles of the Wentz deal are covered from Kevin's point of view.Closing out the show, Kevin and Evan go over what's to come for the Indianapolis Colts. Will T.Y. Hilton return? Also, what key positions of need would Kevin address if he was in Ballard's position?All of this, plus so much more, in a jam-packed episode to close out Wentz Week! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Today, as always, your host Evan Sattery, joined by Kevin Bowen, the Colts expert over
at 107.5, 10-7 to the fan, here to talk through everything Carson Wentz, why the trade went
down, if it's going to make sense in Indy, and we'll end the show with Kevin's thoughts
on what's come for the offseason here with the quarterback question finally answered.
Kevin, how are you doing on this Friday afternoon?
Doing good, Evan.
Thanks for having me on, man.
You've had a hell of a run of guests, so happy to be included in them.
Hey, no, I really appreciate it, Kevin, and it's an honor to have you on.
As always, you do great stuff there for the Colts over 1-0-7-5, 10-10 to the fan.
And let me ask you this because I haven't had a chance to have your thoughts on the
podcast yet.
When the ticker came across from Adam Schefter, I think it was early Wednesday,
Thursday morning of last week, that Carson Wentz was traded to the Colts,
were you at all surprised?
I was not, no.
You know, so many signs, I think, pointed to this, you know, very similar
in a way to the connection from last offseason, obviously, with Phillip Rivers.
And, you know, I tried to stress it in the couple weeks before just how much Frank Wright drove this
and how much his opinion is extremely respected inside of that organization even though you know
when I guess when you look at the chain of command he'd be third in this sort of decision with Jim
Irsay, Chris Ballard and then him him. But those two above him have just
an unwavering amount of trust and respect at that position, especially. And I think when you looked
at the word I always use was the realistic options. As much as I was a fan of team draft,
I know full well the difficulty that comes with that when you're drafting as far back as
the Colts are. So it made a lot of sense sense it didn't seem like it was a whole lot of demand either and once you kind of
got the condition squared away got the compensation squared away it's something that both parties
wanted to get done compensation wise kevin number 84 overall in this year's draft before we get into
the conditional 2022 second round pick just how key was it in your opinion for the Colts to keep 21 and 54 this year's draft where they want to
trade up, move back, recoup that third round pick, or even stay where they're at to keep those two
picks in the top 55 of this year's draft? Considered a strong class for key needs for them,
like left tackle, edge rusher. It seemed like that was a real coup by Chris Bauer to keep those two.
Yeah, you know, it's funny, Evan. At first, when I looked at the
compensation, that probably didn't strike me right away, but the more I looked at it, I was probably
more drawn towards that conditional pick, but as I focused on the 2021 resources that you now
continue to have, it makes a ton of sense why the Colts went that route, and I think it's a key part
of this trade because,
you know, mentally, physically, whatever, there's something wrong with Carson Wentz,
and that needs to be repaired. The extent, we'll find out. But I think confidence-wise,
he was a bit broken last year in Philadelphia. And I think the more resources you can commit to helping him right away, the more that's going to help him and the support system around him.
Obviously, the support system starts with Frank Wright.
But when he gets on the field, it's a Braden Smith.
It's a Quentin Nelson.
It's a Ryan Kelly.
Obviously, it's Michael Pittman.
Certainly, it's Jonathan Taylor in the run game.
And then what else?
Are you adding another tight end?
Are you adding a little bit more at theposition can Paris Campbell be healthy um in a way are you adding the edge
rusher which could ultimately give him more support as well the fact that you can keep that
first and second rounder and we'll see what happens from a tradeback standpoint but I think
that's critical because I look at it as what 45 million million, 43 million, I think you have in cap space.
That should lend to what, two to three, maybe four, but probably let's just be a little safer,
two to three notable moves you make in free agency.
Then you couple that with a first and a second round draft pick.
Now you're looking at about four to five
again notable acquisitions whether it's retaining some guys or going out and getting some guys
that you can make here in the next two months and I think that will greatly help a roster that
is already has good foundation but needs a few more pieces certainly to I think provide the
support system that the Colts felt like Carson Wentz did
not have in Philadelphia. Yeah, looking over the gamble the Colts made, like you mentioned,
Carson Wentz, I think on PFF, was the 34th best correct in the NFL last year. So really,
one of the worst corrects in the NFL before he was benched for Jalen Hurts in the latter part
of the season. From what you've seen on tape of Carson Wentz, I imagine, over the last week plus,
what stood out to you from what happened in 2020? Because this guy was an MVP candidate in 2020,
an above-average quarterback in 2018, 2019,
and just kind of the leg spot underneath him in 2020.
What stood out to you when you went back and rewatched?
I know.
It's crazy to think, Evan, you know, that final month of the 2019 season,
he was so good and helped, what, they won four in a row, I think,
the Eagles to get into the postseason.
And then he suffers that concussion early in that playoff game against Seattle, and then 2020 was just beyond a disaster.
I'll say this. I think the offensive line was an issue, but I don't think it's as big of an issue
as people are making it out to seem. Even when there was a clean pocket for Carson Wentz,
there were some big-time issues there. You still see some highlight reel stuff. And over the course
of whatever you play 12 or 13 games, there is a lot of wow type of plays and just a different
skill set to quarterback. But under a clean pocket, you know, he was the worst quarterback
in the NFL last year in several metrics. I think what you see is a breakdown of fundamentals.
I think just a lack of confidence then contributes
to some misidentification from throwing with anticipation. You know, that's something you
want to see out of your quarterback, something I felt like he played with a little bit less fear
early in his NFL career, you worry about, you know, have some of the injuries and some of just
the issues offensive line wise, and personnel wise, how much has that kind of played into him, you know,
maybe not having the same sort of, you know,
trigger or anticipation that he did early in his career.
Again, there's still a lot of stuff, even in 2020, that you'll like.
But I can't just solely throw it on the offensive line.
In clean pockets, he missed some easy, easy throws. And I think from a fundamental standpoint,
something Frank Reich really stressed yesterday, it starts with the base. And you've got to kind
of rebuild that from a basic standpoint, base up. And if you're able to do that, and you're able to
show him that, okay, protection wise is going to get better. Skill wise, you're gonna have a little
bit more of options, obviously a run game standpoint that you can lean on as well.
You hope that all of those pieces will help him getting back to whatever,
2019, 2018, at the very least.
Looking over the connection with Frank Wright, Kevin,
it seems like from everything we've read that Frank Wright was the one
pushing for this.
We saw last year with Phillip Rivers, Chris Bauer felt comfortable enough
to go get him – to give Reich to Phillip Rivers for one year.
Of course, they wanted it to be a two-year deal,
but Rivers retired one year earlier than they expected.
You go out and trade a third and more likely than not a future first round pick
for Carson Wentz.
This really shows to me, Kevin, I mean, we all kind of already knew this,
but the conviction that Chris Bauer has in Frank Reich is 110, 150%.
Well, without a doubt.
I mean, you are literally going to Vegas and saying, Frank, here is my future as a GM in the NFL.
Go ahead and bet on it.
And that's pretty much what they're doing with this move because you know from a financial standpoint it's not an immense
commitment from a draft pick compensation standpoint it's it's notable I mean it's not
what the Rams are doing for Matthew Stafford I mean it is notable but the biggest thing is just
you're pretty much committing two years of your franchise to Carson Wentz. And that means two more years tacked on to every single player
on your roster. You're delaying the potential next quarterback by two more years if this doesn't
work out. Obviously, you know, some sort of learning curve for that next QB as well. So
yeah, I mean, Chris Ballard is putting his eggs into Frank Reich's basket really with his belief
in Carson Wentz. And you know,, I know you have seen it, Evan.
I mean, certainly the more people that I've talked to
and the more research I've done, I mean, Frank Reich,
and I don't think we can imagine Frank Reich ever doing this,
but he stood on the table for Carson Wentz,
more so than any other quarterback in that 2016 draft.
And we have to remember, too too it's not like Philadelphia was in
the position like the Jets are in right now where they're maybe debating between Zach Wilson or
Justin Fields you know Philadelphia was drafting 13 overall originally and they made two separate
trades to get up to that position to take Carson Wentz so you, Frank Reich has always, always believed in his guys. We can debate that to a
degree. But I think honestly, not to get like too down in a different rabbit hole, Evan, but like,
I think some of it just is the person he is. And like, you almost think back to his days as a
preacher. I mean, any preacher is heavily, heavily invested in their beliefs and their conviction.
And I just think that's Frank Reich's personality.
And a lot of that, I think, is like really good and helps you out as a head coach.
But at the same time, you've got to make sure that it doesn't teeter too much on stubbornness or too much on playing to favorites.
You know, whether that was Adam Vinatieri in that situation,
or, you know, steadfast in saying Jacoby Brissett is a top 20 quarterback,
you know, things like that.
But again, Frank's got a ton of belief in Carson,
and I think really more so Carson's got a lot of belief in Frank,
and that is critical to this marriage working out.
Clearly, Carson Wentz fell out of favor,
his own favor with the Eagles and their organization and Doug Peterson especially.
And at times, did Carson think he was probably
the smartest person in the room?
Sure.
Could he be a better teammate?
He admittedly says yes.
But I also think he'll look at Frank Reich,
respect the mind, respect the human,
and that'll help things be more collaborative.
That'll help situations when adversity grows,
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Looking back on Kirsten Wentz's point of view of this trade,
and from all that we know as well from the reports out there,
Kirsten Wentz's first, second, and third choice was coming to Indy
and reuniting with Frank Reich.
It seems to me like the confidence was the biggest thing with Kirsten Wentz last season.
You saw him get down on himself super early in games.
He makes some bad throws and ends up being in his head the rest of the game having Frank Reich now on board there Kevin to be the
guy the guy in his ear Press Taylor also alongside him who he has I have to say that's probably the
top two connections for him in the NFL are Frank Reich and Press Taylor what do you think about him
being back with those two well I think it's huge um you know, honestly, Evan, I think if Press Taylor wasn't on staff,
this move still would have gone down.
But, you know, it certainly helps from a betting standpoint,
and you get someone that was inside of that building
and saw things firsthand over the last few years.
Because I do think we have to acknowledge, too,
a lot has happened to Carson Wentz since Frank Reich was last with him.
You know, I'm trying to think of – I've read so many Eagles reporters' work
over the last few weeks, and so the name escapes me.
But I remember reading a story where, you know, after the Super Bowl,
Carson Wentz was at his locker, and one of the beat reporters went over to him
and, like, you know, asked him what he was doing.
And Carson said, I'm praying not to be jealous of Nick Foles in this situation.
And that, I think, just goes to show you who Carson Wentz is as a person and how much,
honestly, I think that would weigh on any person. I'm not thinking Fulton Carson wins at all. I mean, I think that's just human, honestly.
But what I'm getting at is think back to everything that has changed
since Frank Reich was really last with them,
which was in that locker room that very night.
It's ACL rehab.
It's a back injury.
You know, it's the concussion in 2019 to where you come out of a playoff game. 2020 season
plays out like it does as well. I mean, that's a whole lot, a whole lot since what happened
in that 2017 season, you know, when he, when he tore his ACL. But, you know, Reich is going to be
a huge, huge, huge part of this process. I'm not overstating that by any means. And, you know, Reich is going to be a huge, huge, huge part of this process. I'm not overstating that by any means.
And, you know, I think a question that you have to have,
and I think this will be big for Frank this season,
is repairing, helping, whatever you want to call it,
Carson is certainly the top of the priority list.
But you can't lose sight of your football team either.
And I think the locker room will keep an eye on that.
Yeah, Frank, we know, is really invested offensively and rightfully so.
He should be.
And Carson needs work.
But at the same time, how do you balance that?
Do you make sure that you have the grasp that you need to have
with the rest of your locker room, with your football team as well?
Because that's, at the end of the day, what your title is as head coach.
Looking at how the 2021 Colts are going to be on offense, Kevin,
what we've seen the last couple of years with Jacoby Bursette and Phillip
Rivers, how different do you think it's going to be?
Because I know Robert Mays was on the podcast yesterday,
and he brought up a good point of how he's probably going to see a lot more
from the Colts as far as being 2018 version with Andrew Luck,
a mobile, sturdy quarterback, can escape out of the pocket,
do some things with his legs, and make some deep throws in the field.
Bursette could do that but wasn't accurate.
Phillip Burris really couldn't do it much at all this year.
Do you feel like if we're looking for a comparison
of what Frank Reich's playbook is going to look like,
it's going to be more so like year one with Andrew Luck?
Yes.
Now, let me start here, Evan.
I don't know how much you've gotten into this week,
the numbers of Carson Wentz under Frank Reich versus without him.
I am surprised that the time to throw, you know,
that was the biggest thing that was different, honestly,
about Andrew Luck is he got the ball out so much quicker in that 2018 season,
had the career high in completion percentage.
Wentz with Reich versus without Reich,
his time to throw numbers are not that different.
Now, 2020, they were much longer, but, you know, we almost throw 2020 out the window.
2018, 2019, I think are a little bit more of, okay, let's look at that very closely.
And again, the time to throw wasn't a whole lot different.
I do think what you'll see is the RPO aspect is going to be involved and it should be involved and it's
needed I thought as much as Philip Rivers did so much good for this football team I can't stress
how disappointed Frank Reich was in the third down in the red zone and I think the lack of just some
sort of threat with his legs at quarterback hindered you there so I do think Wentz will
bring that I think when you get into short yardage stuff I I do think Wentz will bring that.
I think when you get into short yardage stuff,
I don't think Wentz needs to come off the field.
I mean, Frank Reich has gushed before how great of a QB sneaker Carson Wentz is.
And then getting back to the RPO stuff,
Frank has also gushed before about how great of a faker Carson Wentz is.
You know, obviously we're talking play-action stuff in that realm.
So I do think that is something that can help this offense.
From a passing game standpoint, you know, Carson struggled last year
on the underneath stuff and some crossers.
That needs to get cleaned up because we know that's a huge part of his offense.
But you will just naturally see more vertical stuff.
Great seam thrower of the football.
That's something that he has always been, you know,
really, really complimentary of,
and that's probably been one of the strengths of Carson Wentz.
So I do think that will be a part of this offense
that we'll see a little bit more of.
Looking ahead to, I think, a unique aspect of this with Carson Wentz,
we've seen all the reports in Philadelphia about how Wentz maybe didn't get along
with some teammates in the locker room,
how the environment there just wasn't the best for Wentz to develop
in the last couple of years.
It seems like the polar opposite is in place in Indy.
You have, like you mentioned, Frank Reich.
I think he's the number one believer since day one in 2016.
But you also have the locker room in place of the Colts,
where we saw on Twitter last week, right when it happened, Kevin,
all the players tweeting out, welcome to Indy person, came at the meet you.
Kenny Moore with that FaceTime screenshot he posted on Twitter last week right when it happened, Kevin. All the players tweeting out, welcome to Indy person. Kenny Moore with that FaceTime screenshot he posted on Twitter
as well. There's a lot
of positives with how the Colts have built their locker room.
Chris Bowers has been all aboard that idea since he came
on in 2017. To add a player
like Carson Wentz, whose confidence is shaken,
to come into the locker room to be fully accepting of him,
I think it's a huge deal.
Huge.
I think these guys also get it too.
Like, you know, you had to do something quarterback.
And I think they have a lot of inherent trust in Frank Reich.
I think Carson has got to look at himself.
And while he needs to get repaired as, you know, as a player,
and ultimately as long as he produces,
I think the leadership will take care of itself.
I do think he needs to make sure that he has been afforded this second chance,
been a bit humbled by what happened in Philadelphia,
and try to be more of an every corner of the locker room teammate.
You don't have to fake it and go crazy out of your way.
But I always thought Andrew Luck had a great grasp of that.
And probably being the son of an NFL quarterback helped.
But I thought Andrew, you know, who clearly has interests that are,
I would say, similar to what, you know, Carson has
and maybe not as appealing to everybody inside of that locker room,
I thought Andrew got what it meant to be one of 53.
And I think Carson's got to understand that.
And, again, I think he will.
Offensively, you know, it's interesting just, like, who are your leaders?
You know, I think vocally you don't have a lot of leaders on that side of the ball.
And even if T.Y. comes back, he's not the most vocal guy,
but certainly leads by example.
But I think that it helps the support system you have,
mainly on defense with guys like DeForest Buckner and Kenny Moore
and Darius Leonard.
But you definitely like to see the early signs that he did.
You know, you mentioned the Kenny Moore FaceTime
and I think Julian Blackman had something out there as well.
I mean, those are all great things.
But at the end of the day, he's got to prove it in person.
And he'll get the opportunity to do that.
And guys are going to know.
And when adversity hits, how do you handle that?
I think that'll be a big part of it as well when the season unfolds.
Final point here on Carson Wentz, Kevin,
before we dive into some quick offseason talk.
If this works out for the Colts, paying a third round pick,
and more likely than not a first round pick,
depending on how much snaps Wentz plays in 2020,
if he's healthy, it's going to be a first round pick.
And if he plays well, it's going to be a first round pick.
Let's say Wentz works out in Indy, Kevin.
You pay that price 10 out of 10 times, don't you?
Oh, without a doubt.
I mean, and I guess, you know,
we don't need to get into what you define as working out,
but I assume you mean whatever,
above average quarterback for the next handful of years at least.
Yeah, I mean, his age, certainly.
Now, if it doesn't work out out I just think it totally stunts
you and you waste precious years and um I think ultimately it'll probably be how this era is
defined uh unfortunately or not it's just the fact that you know you didn't get that position
figured out in the handful of years after Andrew Luck decided to hang it up there. But yeah, I mean,
if it works out, first and a third, if you're going to get the, whatever, the 10th best
quarterback in the league for the next five years, you're going to do that. I think one aspect to all
of this, Evan, that is such an unknown, something I tried to stress on the podcast earlier this week,
is the fact that we haven't seen Carson Wentz in the
month of January really at all. It's nine snaps. You know, he got hurt on that ninth snap, Jadavian
Clowney, with a hit to him, and he suffers a concussion, and that's it. So as much as the
regular season success that has been there, and obviously he did some great things in college as
well in winning championships.
It's just a different animal when you get in the playoffs.
And I think that is an unknown that will be interesting to see play out.
It's certainly something that we had a question about with Phillip here
and, you know, how, okay, what does his playoff resume look like?
Does getting out of San Diego, L, LA, does that mean something differently?
And Phillip played very well in that game against Buffalo,
but it was that fourth quarter comeback.
It was those types of things that we had questions about.
And I do think with Carson, that will be the thing.
I think he can get back to being an above average quarterback in the NFL.
I don't know about the playoff stuff.
And I just still am like, wow, the Eagles really got rid of them 20 months later.
And yeah, Carson Wentz wanted to leave,
but there just has to be a little bit more to that story. But again,
believe in Frank Reich and certainly think that he can get back to being a
better than average quarterback.
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Chris Ballard sort of
betting on his job
with Frank Rigg
developing Carson Wentz
to be his new QB
like you mentioned
earlier in the show, Kevin.
With that being said,
the Colts still have
around $50 million
in cap space.
We'll have to see what happens with extensions or guys resigning if that number changes much at all. But
the fourth most currently in NFL, with Wentz on board and kind of rolling that dice a little bit
for Chris Ballard, he's been patient for the first four years of his tenure in Indianapolis. Of
course, the DeForest Buffner trade last year was a shocker, but I think it was necessary for that
defense. You had Phillip Rivers to replace Jacob Reset in an easy upgrade, but it was only a one-year pack with Carson Wentz now on board for
the next two years and possibly more do you think we start to see Chris Bowers start to roll the
dice more for A&C be aggressive or do you think he's gonna keep hoarding that money to save for
guys like internally like Quentin Nelson, Darius Leonard, Braden Smith and all these draft guys
from 2018 and beyond? Yeah you know to be honest, I don't expect some drastic change in philosophy.
I get the question, certainly.
But, you know, with wins,
obviously it does eat up a decent amount of cap space.
And the Colts still have north of $40 million.
But that can go pretty quickly.
And as you said, you've got big extensions coming up,
the most and the most important you've ever held.
Some GMs will ever have, honestly,
with how good Braden Smith and Darius Leonard have been
and obviously throw Nelson into that group next year as well.
But we know Chris has always liked to keep a little bit of money,
and he's going to probably want to keep a little bit more money
with those extensions coming up as well.
So I think you've got room for a couple.
And so define what a couple means,
you know, is that a couple of two year and 24 million, two year, you know, 30, 32 million,
something like that sort of contracts. I think those make sense, but really, I mean, I don't think you can go too, too crazy with things. And I just don't think that's Chris's MO as well. But
like we were talking about earlier, with the resources you have,
you've got room to make four to five notable moves,
probably two to three in free agency, two in the draft.
So, yeah, that's how I kind of view how he'll handle things.
T.Y. Hilton, to me, Kevin, is now the biggest storyline of the offseason
with Carson Wentz on board.
I mean, sentimental, one of the best players in Colts franchise history.
And you have to think for this era that we've seen since 2012,
post-Payton Manning, I think he might be easily the fan favorite
if you exclude Andrew Luck from that list.
What do you think happens with T.Y.?
I mean, we've seen a lot of things about the Colts,
and it's all about the price.
Do you think there's a possibility?
I mean, the closer we get personally, the more I think there's a real chance a real chance ty has gone in for eights and they go for a more explosive younger
option what do you feel like your sense is on what's gonna happen with ty helen because it's
gonna be a certainly an interesting debate of what's going on the colt headquarters right now
about him yeah you know i actually think um i think there's a chance he comes back i do i really
do um having said that i also think if you make that
move, I'd really like to see kind of a second or third to your wideout come in. Basically,
a Zach Paschal type with a little bit of a higher ceiling is kind of how I view it.
Maybe a guy that's proven himself a little bit more as well.
Because I just can't put all my eggs in the Paris Campbell basket, even though when healthy, I think he's a tremendous,
tremendous weapon for this team.
I think the addition of Wentz helps, you know,
the chances of Hilton coming back.
And, you know, it's such a deep wide receiver class.
I don't know what the market's going to look like exactly for T.Y. as well.
So that staff loves him.
You can lose sight of that either.
So, you know, if you're going to make me pick right now,
probably close to a coin flip, but I think Hilton comes back.
Last one here for you, Kevin.
Really appreciate the time, as always.
I'm going to put the GM hat on you for a second.
You're Chris Ballard.
We're looking ahead to the offseason now.
You have your quarterback, Carson Wentz, on board.
What are you doing the first two picks in the draft?
First off, what are you doing for agency to really address the needs?
You know, left tackle, edge rusher, possibly cornerback,
Xavier Rhodes leaves.
There's a lot on the table here.
So what would you do?
So I think you go edge rusher and free agency, you know, some sort of –
if it's not Watt, you know, Yannick – not Yannick Ngakwe, who is –
Romeo Cora, Carl Lawson are two names I like.
There are a couple other edge guys that I think could be in the mix as well,
but those are a couple names that I like there.
You mentioned kind of the second-tier whiteout.
That makes a lot of sense.
You know, corner-wise, I'd like to see some kind of mid-level corner addition made.
I'd probably look into bringing back Xavier Rhodes,
but I realize that that price could get pretty high,
and there are some reasons to be skeptical of giving Xavier a multi-year deal at that level.
So I get that.
But basically, if I can do a couple of those things that I mentioned,
then I can get to the draft and really focus on, you know, best player available within reason.
And obviously you come out with a left tackle either around round one or
round two.
That's an absolute must.
But I also can look at a little bit more best player available of what about
another edge rusher?
What about a wide out?
You know, what if Kyle Pitts fell?
You know, something like that.
You know,
maybe you are looking at corner when you get into round two
as an option there.
Or if you really fall in love with a J.C. Horn or, you know,
one of those corners drops early as well.
So that's kind of how I look at things right now.
And I still believe, you know, guys like Nico Autry, Al-Kadim, Muhammad,
they need to be brought back as well.
So you're going to get some number crunching.
You're going to have some more cap casualties from other teams around the
league in the coming days, coming weeks.
Those will have to be factored in as well.
But that's kind of a rough sketch off the top of my head.
Kevin, always enjoy having you on, man.
Colts fans are not already, go ahead and follow Kevin on Twitter.
He's a must follow over there, at KBO in 1070.
He covers the Colts, not only that, but also the Pacers and whatever local news,
sports news there is.
Kevin has you covered on 1075 1070 The Fan and Kevin's Corner Podcast.
It's a must-listen as well.
Him and Chris Preston do amazing stuff every week.
Kevin, appreciate the time.
Evan, great work this week, man.
I've enjoyed it, and have a great weekend.