Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Can The Lakers Create an Identity Around Luka Dončić? Plus A MASSIVE (FAKE) TRADE

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Starting point is 00:01:50 Andy was about ready to be like, wait, they changed that deal. Hold on a minute. I'll be right back. Hello. I don't need this show anymore. Later, suckers. We have spent a lot of time. over the last, you know, week or so

Starting point is 00:02:07 talking about some of the different ways interspersed between happenings and news. We've learned about LeBron's reported plans to go ahead and pick up his option and we've talked about Skinny Luca. We've done a lot of stuff in between, but a lot of what we are talking about, Andy, kind of keeps coming back to this idea of whether or not,

Starting point is 00:02:28 you know, like how the Lakers can establish a real identity, how they're going to recreate a championship caliber roster. We've looked at some of the teams that are still playing right now, the four teams that are still playing, and seeing if there's anything that the Lakers can learn from them, and there are. And one of them I know for you is identity. Yeah, it was interesting.

Starting point is 00:02:55 I was taking a look at the past two teams that Luca had the most success on with Dallas. the one that went to the 2024 finals and the one that went to the 2022 Western Conference finals. And the 2024 team that went to the finals, the starting five was Luca, Kyrie Irving, PJ, Washington, Daniel Gafford, and Derek Jones Jr. Interesting note, Jones Jr. That year might have been the best veteran minimum signing in the league, which is important to remember because the Lakers are,

Starting point is 00:03:32 going to have to try to hit on at least one really good vetman. And then the main guys off the bench were Derek lively. But he was also, this is important to remember as well, on a rookie scale deal, Josh Green and Maxi Clava or Tim Hardaway Jr. And then the 2022 team was Luca, who I believe may have still been at that point on his own rookie scale deal. Jalen Brunson, DFS, Reggie Bullock, and Dwight Powell is a very nominal starting center, and then the main guys off the bench, Max Eclava and Spencer Dinwiddie.

Starting point is 00:04:11 So if you're looking for commonalities there, it is basically Luca with one other guy who can score and playmake at a reasonably high level, or in the case of Kyrie, an elite level, Jalen Brunson wasn't quite that at that point. And then defense and shooting. Like a lot of guys who can shoot, a lot of guys who can defend, and in these two teams, a lot of guys who could do both. That seems to be the formula that has worked best for Luca. And it actually makes a lot of sense because, you know,

Starting point is 00:04:49 particularly that 2024 team with lively and Gafford and even in his own right, Derek Jones Jr., You've got the wing defense, but also a lot of guys who can protect the rim, protect the lane, and really fully support Luca defensively. And then you set them up with a bunch of different shooters who can knock down the shots that Luca creates as well as anybody in the league. So if you are looking to replicate Luca's past success as the Lakers look to build around Luca, that seems to be a pretty good template. But I think there's one of the models that you can look at when building a team is that, you know, people call it a heliocentric model.

Starting point is 00:05:31 You're basically a bunch of guys revolving around the sun. And obviously in that metaphor, Luca is the sun. And, you know, the Lakers still will presumably have LeBron next year. They certainly may have Austin Reeves, but they may not. And I think one of the things that they'll have to adjust to, and they really did start to, get there as the season went on is an offense that really does fundamentally operate around Luca, where Luca is the guy with the ball most of the time. Luca is the one, you know, initiating the offense.

Starting point is 00:06:08 Luca is the one that draws that first bit of attention from opposing defenses. You obviously will have moments where Luca's not playing. You know, you want to keep his minutes probably around 34, 35. a game next year, something like that, maybe in a tick lower if you're still playing well. Those are minutes. LeBron becomes the sun and potentially does that. Or Austin Reeves and all that. And I think what the Lakers are trying to do with those two guys, at least LeBron and Luca,

Starting point is 00:06:39 is figure out, what do we do with LeBron in a universe where Luca is the sun? And then you'll start to put other things right. I think the formula of a lob threat is something the Lakers are obviously looking for. Shooting is something the Lakers are constantly trying to get. Just like every team around the league, by the way. Started to put something together over the course of last season. And it's one of the reasons that it is tricky to trade, just decide you're going to move Rui Hachamura or Austin Reeves or guys like that

Starting point is 00:07:16 who are an important part of your three-point shooting foundation. You got to make sure you get those guys back because you don't want, as you've pointed out with LeBron, you don't want Luca to be your primary source of three-pointers. You don't really even want LeBron to be that guy because you still want to be able to get him moving downhill where he is most effective. You also want him at his own discretion to be taking three-pointers

Starting point is 00:07:44 now that he's somewhere between a 36-4-4-4-4. 40% guy from there. It's worth it. But you don't want to, you don't want to just set it up. So he's just hanging out by the perimeter. And so I think that, you know, the, the basic idea of what you're talking about here, the formula is, is pretty well established. What looks good around Luca. It's kind of what used to look good around LeBron and his prime too. Both have been very heliocentric players. Yeah, because they're freaks. You know, they're are, you know, it's hard to say they're both unicorns when they're, you know, on the same team. But you get my point. It's like you have guys who are that big, that skilled and that whatever,

Starting point is 00:08:26 who can also distribute the ball. It's natural to make them the center of the offense. You have to figure out what to do with that second son. And I think LeBron, this was the part that we talked about a lot during the season. I didn't accept the idea that the two of them couldn't play together. And I think with an offseason, maybe I'm being too optimistic. I'm actually of the mind that they will come into camp with a lot of ideas on how to make this work better and how to get LeBron the ball in positions that are advantageous to him because he made that point a few times during the year. Luca draws so much attention. Now LeBron gets the ball on the move, on a back screen, while the defense is rotating, things like that, that have never happened over the course of his career.

Starting point is 00:09:17 So challenges aside to, you know, that you've pointed out, to working a roster around LeBron, the skill set when you talk about an identity, I see no reason that LeBron can't fit into it. There were many things that the Lakers had to figure out last year post-Luca trade, getting LeBron to accommodate Luca was not on that list at all. I thought LeBron went way out of his way to make it clear. Don't worry about stepping on my toes. That's not a thing. I want to be sharing the ball with you.

Starting point is 00:09:59 That doesn't mean it worked perfectly. No, no, no. It just means that when it didn't work, it wasn't because LeBron was unwilling to cede you know, sort of seed control. No, I thought LeBron went out of his way to message that's not a thing to worry about. All right. When after the break, you have been spending a lot of time with the trade machine more than with your family.

Starting point is 00:10:27 I really. And that part's shameful. So both our audience and my family are grateful. Yes. So after the break, I want to break down a trade. that you have made. And that, because I think it's going to get to a different part of identity and roster building that's been all the rage in terms of NBA conversations during the postseason.

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Starting point is 00:12:05 Let's talk a little bit about your trait because it is elaborate. It is fun. It is exactly the kind of thing that a person should be spent. spending his time on while the playoffs are still going on and we're like a month and a half away from free agency. Before we get to this trade, I just wanted to bring up one last thing in terms of identity and the heliocentricism concept that we were talking about before with LeBron and Luca, and another layer of it.

Starting point is 00:12:34 Austin, in theory, figures into that as well. And it's going to be something that makes it hopefully more upside, the idea. of all three of them being able to do a lot of that same stuff, but also it adds another wrinkle in terms of how to make that work. And it's going to require the full, not just buy-in, because I don't think any of those three are resistant to anything that they were being asked to do last year and trying to work as a trio. But it's going to require the discipline to really, really work in concert all three of them over 48 minutes because the theoretical upside to those three being on the same team. We've gone through a lot of the limits and the downsides and

Starting point is 00:13:25 whatever, but the theoretical upside is you've got three above, somewhere between above average to elite scores and playmakers playing off each other, which should keep defensive. is constantly off balance, but if you're not committed to truly working that identity and bleeding it dry every game, you're ultimately not getting, you're not only not getting the most out of all three of these guys, but then you start looking at a situation where maybe we would be better off doing something else because we're not maximizing what is our theoretical best, most difficult to cover advantage. Right. And whether there's the opportunity. I mean,

Starting point is 00:14:10 I think the most compelling for me, the most compelling argument to trade Austin isn't that he's not good enough that he was exposed in the playoffs that he can't do this. It's just that you could say that the way they're put together today is not really ideal for maximizing all three of the guys that you have that are your three best players. I will say the flip side is there is a universe in which you can create a. team where Luke is your best player. I don't want to say AR is automatically your second. There's a post-Lebron world where AR, if he's your second best player, you obviously need a really good third best player, you know, like somebody who comes in and you're sort of maybe a little like Indiana where, you know,

Starting point is 00:15:02 Halliburton is obviously the star. And, you know, the second best player is Pascal Seacom probably. maybe Miles Turner. It's like, you know, those aren't star stars, but they've been all stars or they're all star adjacent. And it's just one of those things where

Starting point is 00:15:17 if you have a guy who isn't LeBron, maybe as your number two, LeBron of a couple years ago, LeBron and D. Wade, whatever it is, the rest two through five just have to be better. And so there are a lot of different ways to construct this. And it is important, I think, to think about scenarios where

Starting point is 00:15:36 you are post-Lebron and you actually have a core that includes, I don't want to say is built around, but includes Austin Reeves with Luca. I think that is part of the scenario that doesn't necessarily get talked about enough, but it's also the timing of it is tricky because nobody knows how long LeBron is going to play. Yeah. So anyway, that's another one of the reasons, you know, just the logistical challenges of LeBron. And if for some reason they knew next year would be his last, at least in LA, it might not automatically be a good thing, but similar to acquiring Luca, it answers questions. It provides clarity so now you can plan.

Starting point is 00:16:24 Anyway, this trade that I came up, but I want to make crystal, crystal clear. This is a fake trade. This is not something. Super fake. Right. Super fake. It's something that I concocted is, you know, based to some degree off, you know, what I think could be these other, it's a three-team trade. And it's based in some ways off what I think could be the goals of these other two trades or players that could be theoretically available. But this is based off nothing other than my somewhere between imagination and educated guesses.

Starting point is 00:16:59 I am not saying that it is a given that the Nets or the Nets or the. the Rockets, the two other teams involved would make this team. It is very possible that both teams would want a little more, something different. And from the Lakers' perspective, they don't have a lot of ability to mix and match swap guys in and out between their cap situation and limited assets. But I don't think the frameworks that we're talking about are outrageous for the nets or the Rockets. And for these purposes, we're focusing on the Lakers perspective. My goal in this trade was to try to think about what is the most realistic way to rebalance the roster, to where it feels much more balanced in terms of two-way guys, offense and defense,

Starting point is 00:17:47 less positional redundancy while still hopefully improving what's there and making them more formidable. And like I said, it's very radical. In this deal, the Lakers would send Rui Hachamora, Maxi Claiba, 2028 and 2030 swaps to Brooklyn, who would also get Cam Whitmore from the Rockets, I think both because it's a guy that they would want, but also to make the money work. They would then send to Houston, Austin Reeves, Dalton Connect, Gabe Vincent, Shake Milton, and the 2031 first round pick. The Lakers in turn get Nick Claxton, Jabari Smith, Jr., Dylan Brooks. You're now looking at a starting lineup of Luca Donchich, Dylan Brooks, LeBron James, Javari Smith, Jr., who fun fact, Kwame Brown's cousin, and Nick Claxton, a bench of Dorian Finney Smith, presumably either opting into his current player option or re-signed to a longer deal.

Starting point is 00:18:52 Jared Vanderbilt, who I don't think the Lakers have enough sweeteners to make these deals and move Vando, who's going to require some sweetener of his own just to get moved for the time being. Jordan Goodwin, who is a no-brainer, I think, to pick up his team option. The taxpayer mid-level exception, I would use on either the best offensive player available thinking maybe someone like Dennis Schrooter or the best big available, like Clint Capella, Brooke Lopez, Veterans Minimums. If you could get them. And Brony James.

Starting point is 00:19:23 Side note, by the way, we've talked a lot over the course of last year about the merits, downsides, Neppo baby, contract worthiness, concession. timing with a guaranteed contract on this Lakers roster. Was it a wasted pick? Everything with Brony last season. And I'm not looking for another round of any of it because I thought we had bled the rock dry. But while screwing around and trying to come up with these fake trades, I landed on a very under discussed downside to the Brony pick, regardless of how you feel

Starting point is 00:19:56 about Brunny's potential. because of the perceived politics connected to Brony, he is essentially twoish mill on this roster off the table as a salary balancer. Maybe now that LeBron and Brony have played together, things could change. But for the time being, he is, I think, pretty much considered untradable as a former 55th pick, which I think we can all agree would never be the case with anybody else. and that is not convenient for the Lakers. I want to ask you a question about that and we'll get into the trade

Starting point is 00:20:32 and what it might do and all of that next. I get why, Andy, you would say the Lakers can't trade Brony. Are we 100% sure the Lakers can't trade Brony? No, we're not. I'm just saying for the time being, I think the overwhelming consensus is that the Lakers are not going to trade brawny while LeBron is on this team. It may be a mistaken. Right. Perception. I agree with you. It's the consensus.

Starting point is 00:21:08 What I think, there are a couple of things I think they wouldn't do. I think they wouldn't trade him without talking about it with LeBron. Of course. I'm not sure that they wouldn't. I think permission is too strong a word, but I don't think they would do it without at least giving him the old heads up. And I do wonder if there are scenarios in which they could see as like, you know, team brawny, like, you know what? He's still going to have trouble getting playing time in L.A. Send him to the right organization. It might get to play more next year.

Starting point is 00:21:45 And then the third scenario in this is the Lakers might not yet be, obviously, if you can acquire Miles Turner in a sign and trade or something, which by the way they can't. But it lets, you know, you understand what I'm getting at. And the Brony James number needs to be in there. I think he'll go. But it is possible, I think the Lakers might want to see one more year of this. Just because side note to all of it, we don't need, again, we'll move on to the trade thing.

Starting point is 00:22:18 Brony actually had for a 55th pick a very solid developmental year. So that was encouraging. I'm not disagreeing with that assessment, but I think you would concede this would not be a discussion for any other 55th pick, unless they just blew the doors off of their rookie year, that they would not, that they would be considered potentially off the table as a salary balancer for a trade. I mean, we, we can agree. Yes.

Starting point is 00:22:44 Let's be adults about this. I 100% agree with everything else you were saying. I was just wondering if you, if you, we, all of us are 100% sure, they actually can't and or wouldn't trade Brani. because I'm not. I think, but I agree with the, you know, the premise is very well grounded. All right.

Starting point is 00:23:05 So let's, let's review this again. The Lakers essentially, to recap, trade everyone that is essentially tradable. So that excludes LeBron, Luca, Vando,

Starting point is 00:23:21 because he's basically untradable. It requires too much. Trade. Because, He's difficult to trade while doing other trades. Right. You have to add too much stuff the Lakers don't have to get rid of us. Brony.

Starting point is 00:23:37 And DFS. And DFS. But DFS isn't tradable yet. But like those are the guys who get everybody else goes. So that includes Reeves. It includes Rui. It includes Connect. In return now, the pieces the Lakers get are Nick Claxton from Brooklyn.

Starting point is 00:23:55 and then both Jabari Smith Jr. and Dylan Brooks from Houston. I can see there is a universe because, you know, Austin Reeves goes to Houston. They showed in the playoffs, good God, they need more reliable scoring. You know, there is at least some position. They also probably want to open up some time for Reed Shepard, who is a guard, and Dylan Brooks is likely blocking some of his opportunity. They're not going to be able to keep all of their young guys. Right.

Starting point is 00:24:30 They love Jabari Smith. So, I mean, would Houston do it? I don't know. I could see where Brooklyn might balk a little bit in what they get. But I've already conceded this. Right. That's not the point. The point of this is would you basically recreate your entire roster?

Starting point is 00:24:51 is it better off this way than not? And the Dylan Brooks part of it is going to be hard for a lot of fans because he's just so hateable. But what is your theory behind why this realignment really works for the Lakers? Well, there's a couple things. First of all, I wanted to just provide the audience the idea of what I think is realistically possible for a radical reshaping. of the roster, working with what the Lakers have in front of them. Side note, Brian and I have been going through Spottrex, like salaries for every single team, free agents, upcoming salaries, and we're going to start doing deeper dives into some

Starting point is 00:25:37 other possibilities as well. But I'm looking for something that feels at least semi-realistic for reshaping the roster and, like I said, rebalancing it. And I'm not 100% convinced that my own creation is an upgrade in terms of pure talent. Like I don't think it's out of the question, but I don't think it's Iron Clyde either. But I'm a thousand percent convinced that this roster is way more balanced and with much more two-way viability than what the Lakers have been working with. It's a starting five with way less redundancy. It's a bench with potentially less redundancy depending on who else rounds it out.

Starting point is 00:26:17 It's a bench with not a lot on it, to be perfectly honest. Sure. But again, I'm looking for the taxpayer mid-level. I'm looking for vet-mins. And you have to hit on some of these, which the Lakers were going to be having to do anyway. For sure. But they're sending out more players than they're bringing back. So it puts them in a tricky position in terms of those types.

Starting point is 00:26:41 They also would also have the 55th pick if they kept it another pick that they might buy, but you don't expect those guys to make. an impact. No. You also, the trade that I'm, the trade that I'm offering, you do this without having to worry about any new larger contract on the horizon for the new guys other than Jabari Smith, Jr. But he just turned 22, and by the way, the Lakers need long-term youth. And you would only do this deal if you want to commit to Smith anyway. Like he's not a rental guy. Claxton also, you're getting a younger guy under contract for a few more years for most of his prime. He just turned 26.

Starting point is 00:27:22 He's basically Luca's age. So I feel like you are getting younger, at least across the starting rotation. You're getting way more balanced. I think like there is much more two-way balance with what I'm offering. You get some shooting. You, I think, get more positional clarity. you know, and you're sacrificing cap flexibility and free agency as a more immediate plan in 2026.

Starting point is 00:27:52 But, you know, if you're not convinced the free agency path would pan out anyway, and you brought up the dangers with that in Wednesday's show, then you have to at least think about building something more viable. Dylan Brooks also is an expiring deal, about 20-ish-mill for the 2026 offseason. So you could maybe make a move using Brooks's contract. Claxton's deal is not unpalatable if you wanted to move a package. He's good. He's not.

Starting point is 00:28:19 Right. And Vando at least has one fewer year. Like, it would be difficult to do as much stuff in the 2026 off season in terms of free agency. But if you're not convinced that's viable, then I think you need to be building towards something. And in the meantime, like I said, I think the roster that I recreated. if nothing else is much more balanced with way, way less redundancy. I think, you know, again, I like a lot of trades that will come up,

Starting point is 00:28:54 is it kind of net favorable to the Lakers? Yeah, I mean, ultimately. But it's not crazy. I mean, look, man, I gave up everything the Lakers can give. Right. Like it's not like I attempted to do this while keeping Reeves and connect. No, you can't do that. No, you gave up all the stuff that they could give up. There's no question.

Starting point is 00:29:12 And, you know, I think, you know, I didn't ask for Rahman Thompson. No. And that's why it's a generous offer from. But you know what I'm saying? Like I tried to keep this grounded. What it does is like, because I think this conversation about depth in the, in the NBA right now is fascinating. Because some of the old ideas of you don't need depth in the playoffs and all this, which I think will always been a little bit misinathing.

Starting point is 00:29:41 interpret it. Depth matters, but it can take a variety of forms. What you, you know, depth can be, we're really good one through six. Like, you know, if you look at the Knicks and like the type of depth that they have, like that's a really, you know, there's top six guys, you know, Josh Hart on the bench, Mitchell Robinson in the starting lineup, or vice versa. That's a really good top six. Now, they don't have as much.

Starting point is 00:30:09 maybe it's just Tibbs, but maybe they don't have as much faith in like Miles McBride or other guys like that. But like that's a lot of talent in a starting lineup. Indiana has more depth through, you know, eight or nine and have built it with, you know, hitting on draft picks. They've done well with cast off players like Neesmith and Obie Topin. they made a really smart star for star trade. I think like if you're looking for a test.

Starting point is 00:30:43 And the Seacum trade worked out really well. For sure. If you're looking for a smart, like an interesting template for what a Reeves trade could do, Reeves wouldn't get you Tyrese Halliburton, but that was sort of a rebalancing and a changing the identity and the nature of the team where they sent a star for a presumed star. Subonis goes to Sacramento. I know he's played quite well. He's done exactly what you would want to Monta Sibonis to do.

Starting point is 00:31:12 And you get Tyrese Halliburton back, who has also thrived in Indiana, obviously. The Lakers wouldn't be getting a star back, but you would be trading Austin Reeves for, in theory, and Austin Reeves caliber player at a position that works better for your team. The hope is that you're sort of a cop. The hope is also that Jabari Smith Jr. becomes a star. Right. You're hoping that in a couple years, he can be, if not, I mean, I don't know if you consider Austin. I mean, some of this has to do with do you consider Austin Reeves potentially good enough to even be in the conversation for the second best player alongside Luca?

Starting point is 00:31:54 But the hope is that Jabari Smith can become an all-star caliber player. And then in the meantime, you've got Luca surrounding. by at minimum three plus two, you know, well above average defenders with Claxton, Jabari Smith Jr. and Dylan Brooks there. Right. And then, you know, LeBron, when the time comes. Right. And I think with LeBron more supplemented defensively, it might be easier for him to balance the offense and the defense. Again, and LeBron can, you know, be slotted into a position where, you know, he, here's

Starting point is 00:32:34 the thing that I think is is instructive here. You have built a team, realistic or not, you've built a team that is like the Knicks. It would be sort of that model, really good one through five. You know, six through 10,

Starting point is 00:32:52 you've got a lot of work to do. Well, if DFS plays at the level that the Lakers hope that the Lakers hoping to be at. One through six. Right. I mean, DFS was, DFS was one of five guys that,

Starting point is 00:33:03 J.J. trust it last year. Sure. I forgot, but like, you know, DFS as your sixth man is okay, depending on what else you have coming behind you. There's a, you really got a lot of question marks in terms of bench scoring in terms of backups. And a lot of things to do. What, but you can build realistically something like this where it looks, you know, like you've really improved your upper lever talent in a lot of ways. You've created holes at the bottom of the roster. What the Lakers can,

Starting point is 00:33:34 can't do. They just, and this, I think this experiment really shows that, it's going to be really hard for them to improve the starting five, get that balance in the starting five, and improve depth. Like, so you have an Indiana style roster or, I mean, good God, an Oklahoma City style roster where you've got dudes who are probably rotation players on bunches of different teams around the league. who can't crack this one. By the way, this becomes a show I want to get into later in the summer. The Lakers need to choose a path here. And so maybe this is something we can pick up a little bit for tomorrow. But I think that to me is the most instructive thing about this trade scenario you've laid out. It's a fun one. And let us know what you think about it.

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Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Can The Lakers Create an Identity Around Luka Dončić? Plus A MASSIVE (FAKE) TRADE

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