Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Chris Paul to LA, Again? Plus, NBA Finals Game 1 Highlighted Lakers Weaknesses
Episode Date: June 6, 2025Many tried to sell this NBA Finals between Oklahoma City and Indiana as a clunker. Two small market teams without the league's biggest stars (even though it does have, you know, it's MVP). Well, Game ...1 showed how much potential for sheer entertainment this series contains. A jumper from Tyrese Haliburton won the game for the Pacers with .3 seconds left on the clock. Indiana's depth was on display, something the Lakers could certainly use. Moreover, Indiana's consistent ability (driven by Haliburton) to execute late in games has been a presence throughout the postseason. That is an area in which the Lakers have fallen short every series after reaching the Western Conference Finals a couple seasons ago. Twice against Denver, this year against Minnesota. Leads or close games in crunch time that they can't hold on to. And finally, Chris Paul reportedly wants to finish his career in Los Angeles, which means he has two choices. Lakers or Clippers. He's been on both teams (though not for very long as a Laker, and could certainly help the roster overall. But he's also over 40, can't defend like he used to doesn't score a ton anymore. He does pass the ball incredibly well, still. He orchestrates well. He's a pretty good 3-point shooter. So if the rumor is true, should the Lakers pull the trigger? HOSTS: Andy and Brian Kamenetzky SEGMENT 1: A thriller of a Game 1. SEGMENT 2: How Game 1 shined a light on what's wrong with the Lakers. SEGMENT 3: To CP3 or not to CP3? That is the question. Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!OpenPhoneStreamline and scale your customer communications with OpenPhone. Get 20% off your first 6 months at www.openphone.com/lockedonnba BetterhelpThis episode is sponsored by Betterhelp. Your well-being is worth it. Visit BetterHelp.com/lockedonnba today to get 10% off your first month. Monarch MoneyTake control of your finances with Monarch Money. Use code LOCKEDONNBA at monarchmoney.com for 50% off your first yearFanDuelRight now, new customers can get TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS in BONUS BETS when your first FIVE DOLLAR BET WINS! Download the app or head to FANDUEL.COM to get started. Bet with FanDuel—Official Partner of the NBA.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Hey, everyone, welcome to Lockton, Lakers for Friday.
Brian Kaminetsky, Andy Kaminetsky, a stunner in Oklahoma City in game one.
Plus, Chris Paul to Los Angeles.
Again, that's next.
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Let's start with game one, because I was told by many, many people that this was a
trash series, not worth my time.
And apparently, it is because Indiana, where they're
a stunning fourth quarter comeback. They went on a Tyrese Halliburton jumper with three-tenths of a
second left, and it is a one-nothing advantage for the visitors. The Pacers led this entire game
for three-tenths of a second. That shot that Tyrese Halliburton hit, like the latest in what
is just becoming an absolutely legendary playoff run for Tyrese Halliburton.
Burton, three-tenths of a second, that's the only point in this game that the Pacers led.
They were behind for the rest of the game.
Some of the stats I've been seeing thrown out on Twitter from Micah Adams.
Tyresearche Halliburton is the only player with three go-ahead shots in the final five seconds of a single postseason.
He has more of those in the 2025 postseason than Kobe Bryant had in his entire career since the play-by-play era began in 1996.
LeBron is the only player with more, I guess, period, than Halliburton from Kyrthika, Utha, Yakumar.
My apologies if I butcher that.
If I don't know well enough to know that I did.
I mean, in all honesty, that may.
I think you can probably guess that at the very least it wasn't letter perfect.
I don't know.
It may have actually been letter perfect.
You think he pronounces it?
You think it pronouncing it with that total lack of confidence?
Is that part of the...
I don't know.
She may have had difficulty with this her whole life.
I have no idea.
But Tyrese Haliburton is 647, nearly 86%, when taking a shot to tie or lead in the final 90 seconds
of the fourth or overtime in this playoffs.
That's the most such shots in a single postseason since 1997.
NBA teams were 0 and 121 when down by seven or more.
points in the final three minutes of regulation in the NBA finals in the last 28 post seasons.
They are now 1 and 221 from NBA communications.
Game one was the Pacers' fifth comeback victory from a deficit of 15 or more points in the 2025
NBA playoffs, the most by a team in a single postseason since 1998.
And then from Nate Duncan, the Pacers are the first NBA team to win a finals game.
actually really interesting, with zero 20 point scores since the 2013 heat.
Hmm.
Like, we're seeing stuff happening in these playoffs, specifically involving the Pacers,
that no exaggeration, we have not seen before.
What was it?
1 in 221 or something like that.
It is now 1 and 121 for teams down by seven or more.
points in the final three minutes of regulation in the NBA finals over the last 28 post
seasons. They are now one in 121 to quote Hans Solo, never tell me the odds. That's right.
Look, I mean, and I don't think, you know, you can't at least I go back and watch again. Like I wasn't
sitting there watching this going like OKC is just, you know, throwing up here. It's like, you know,
they didn't seem to particularly lose composure. They, you know, they obviously weren't
You lost a lead.
You know, the defensive integrity didn't quite hold as it had before.
They couldn't quite force turnovers in the same way.
They missed shots they needed to make whatever.
But it's not like they were just throwing the ball all over the gym and like some sort of obvious choke job.
Like, no, in the first half, the Pacers were the one.
No, they were.
Which was incredibly out of character for the Pacers.
They do an exceptional job taking care of the ball.
They had 19 turnovers in the ones.
the first half.
Like that should
alone just bury a team.
Like you should be done when
Right. But Indiana's defense
and I think you know you start looking at like
how teams can win and what you can do.
Like Indiana's defense, the volume
of shots that OKC
was able to get over Indiana over
the course of especially in the first half
was insane.
But the game didn't get out of hand because
the Pacers actually did a pretty good job
defensively keeping them
from actually scoring.
It wasn't, you know, it wasn't, it was really only when the pace, sorry,
the Thunder were able to, you know, force turnover sort of in the open floor and keep going
that they, they had some luck there.
And Shay, obviously, in the third quarter, fourth quarter, really started to cook.
I was, I was really impressed with what Indiana did because I'm watching this and then
it gets down to, you know, eight, okay, so it hits a, you know, clutch shot.
It's back up to 11.
And you know, oh, it's six.
You know, a few minutes left.
It's six.
And, you know, and then Oakland.
the city response with a bucket they need.
All of a sudden it's three.
And then it's one.
And now it doesn't look much different,
but they're not pushing that lead back up.
And, you know, I think it looked to me at least like Kaysen Wallace and Alex
Carruso had at least a potentially some sort of little miscommunication or we're
not on the same page on that last shot from Halliburton where it looked like Wallace,
to me it looked like he thought Caruso was going to come take that, you know, kind of as they
were dribbling there, come up and and guard him.
But whatever, I mean, Halliburton then pulls up and hits an incredibly good shot.
I think Oklahoma City is going to win this series, Andy.
But Indiana has lost, I believe, four games now in three full series plus one game.
it's possible at this point that we just are sort of collectively underestimating them.
I don't think Oklahoma City is overrated, but Indiana still could be underrated.
It's certainly possible.
I mean, they were a sixth seed, but basically from when the calendar turned to 2025,
the Pacers have been a really good team all season.
And, you know, they have played better than their record.
and I know it becomes really easy to be dismissive of a sixth seed in the East, especially,
because the East has been so top-heavy throughout the season,
like particularly, you know, when Boston was at full strength,
it really felt like it was Boston's conference,
and if not Boston's Cleveland's conference to lose,
and nobody else really had a realistic chance.
but if you look at how the East was shaking out over the first,
I mean, over the last few months of the season,
they were playing really well, Indiana.
It also, too, coincides with Tyrese Halliburton having now the second season in a row,
slow start to the year and dealing with injuries to start the year.
And they're just a much, much obviously different team
when Tyrese Halliburton is playing like himself.
And, you know, we're going to talk about, or at least I want to at least get into a little bit,
the depth of the Pacers as something that the Lakers really can look at and, I mean, excuse me,
that the Lakers can look at and recognize the importance of depth, particularly in a postseason where they didn't have,
if nothing else, enough depth that J.J. Reddick would trust. But despite the depth of this Pacers team,
they really do go as Halliburton goes.
And until he's really running on all cylinders,
the rest of the team can only be so good.
But when he is going and playing the way he should,
this team is really, really good.
There's one other thing that I think sticks out when you watch,
you know, OKC throughout most of the playoffs when you watch Indiana,
obviously in the game on Thursday night,
that really sticks out to me.
terms of something that separates them from the Lakers.
We get to that next.
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All right.
So you wanted to talk about the depth thing when you're thinking about game one,
but we'll get to the Chris Paul item.
Because this is the rare, Andy, the rare, where are we, early June free?
agent kind of rumor that actually seems like has some logic to it.
So we'll get to that in a moment.
Yeah.
Thinking about the depth of this Pacers team and the thunder as well, but just specifically
with the Pacers just because they won this game and they've been considered the underdog,
I think this game really demonstrates the importance of depth and the way I think that is
starting to become more of a trend in these playoffs.
We've talked about this before, but also the importance of two-way depth.
And I think in a lot of ways, the importance of two-way depth that can maybe even take a
greater importance than one-way, like one-way talent where you've got a one-way player who
maybe is better at his one-way skill than a different guy, than a different guy, than a
different two-way player, what he does on either side of the ball. Like, let's just,
I'll take Rui as an example. I'm not even thinking of him specifically, but Rui is, I think
he's made some strides defensively, but he's still at this point of his career, a one-way player.
He's an offensive player. And you can start seeing the importance of having a lot of two-way
players, even some of these players that may not be as good offensively or defensively as
Rui is a score, but if they are solid on both sides of the ball, it just creates so much
optionality for your coaches. It offers so many fewer weaknesses when you're on the court,
so many weeks, fewer spots to attack. You're just seeing the importance of this in these
playoffs. You just, you get. And those guys don't have to be star players, by the way.
They don't have to be necessarily the most expensive players. Like high-end two players do cost a
lot, but there are, if you can find ways to get them, there are some players on this Pacers team
and the Thunder team that are not super expensive.
No.
You know, and obviously, you know, the thunder, half the reason the Thunder guys are also inexpensive
is because most of them are young.
And you get a lot of that on Indiana as well.
And then, you know, you have guys like Neesmith who's sort of a castaway from Boston.
They had, you know, no spare parts.
He's one of them.
You know, a guy like Obie Toppin was no longer desired in New York.
And Indiana figured out a way to kind of turn him into something that I think that quite randomly the Knicks wish they had.
You know, that's what the Knicks were hoping for.
And so, you know, and I just, I think it's a question of depth.
It's two-way depth.
It's the versatility that that provides.
it means not so much that you're playing 15 guys a night or 12 guys a night.
Both of them, both of these teams played eight guys big minutes,
you know, 15 minutes or more, and a couple more guys, you know,
we're under 10 minutes.
And, you know, that's a deeper rotation than a lot of teams play in the playoffs.
But to me, it's not so much just can you reasonably put eight or nine,
10 guys on the floor because if you can, that allows your best players to be sharper, fresher,
and all that stuff down the stretch of a game.
But it's also, can you mix and match effectively?
Can you take the eighth guy and make him the sixth guy one night, the ninth guy, the seventh
guy and all these things and sort of mix and match your bench and your parts in a way that
give your roster the most amount of versatility?
And, you know, so that I totally agree with it.
It's depth of options.
Yes.
as much as anything else.
I think, you know, if you haven't listened to it, you know, go back and we did a show
kind of about that idea of like the Lakers in this offseason can build depth.
They can build, you know, more talent.
They can increase the level of talent at the top of their roster.
It's going to be very difficult to do both.
And so how?
Like which one do they pick, which avenue and all that?
The thing that sticks out to me is the Lakers going back since really,
the Denver series in the Western Conference Finals.
Since that time have had a last, what I call a last mile problem,
where they do a good job through three and three quarters of a game
and they just aren't able to bring it home.
And I think what sticks out most about Indiana,
because again, I don't think Oklahoma City really did anything wrong.
I don't think O'KC, you know, crap the bed or anything like it wasn't, I don't think.
I mean, they needed more from Jay Will.
They needed more from Chet Longer.
I think there's a chance at least in retrospect that maybe Mark Dagnall should have just stuck with his normal starting lineup as opposed to going with Kaysen Wallace.
Sure.
Switching out what was working.
Yeah, no, all of those things.
I'm not saying that they did everything perfectly.
I'm saying that you can tell when a team tightens up and gacks away a game.
Like they just, you know, you're bouncing the ball off your foot.
You're taking terrible shots.
You're making, you know, suddenly, you know, picking rolls that have been covered all game or like wide open and you're not going to.
They, none of that happened.
Like they did Indiana's late game execution, the reason they're able to make all these absurd comebacks all the time is because their late game playoff execution has been unbelievable in these playoffs.
And the Lakers go back to the last mile problem in the Western Conference Finals against Denver the following season.
Like, you know, they play Denver again and they're in all these games.
And Denver closes and the Lakers can't.
This year, the Lakers get, was it game three they were up by 11 or game four?
They were up by 11.
Yeah.
Are you talking about the one where JJ went with the second half?
Yeah, I think so.
That's game four.
And were they up in game three as well?
I'd have to take a look off the top of that I don't remember.
They have had a terrible time closing games.
And they had a bad time with it in the playoffs this year with J.J. Redick.
They had a bad time with it last year with Darwin.
They've had trouble with it with a roster that had Luca.
They had trouble with a roster that was an AD and LeBron thing.
With DeAngelo Russell, they just, they have not been a good last five minutes of the fourth quarter playoff team.
And I don't know the exact recipe for that.
It helps to have a point guard who never turns the ball over.
Tyrese Halliburton is incredibly good at not turning the ball over.
But if you want to look at something,
and I'm, you know, I guess fans could be,
the Lakers fans could be mad, like, you know,
pointing it out, you're not offering prescriptions.
But if you want to have an example of something that separates the Lakers
from the teams that have been better than them,
the teams that they have to compete against and chase and catch,
that's the level of execution that they need in the fourth quarters.
And they're not getting it.
Well, I think one of the things that separates both the thunder,
particularly during the first half when they were really getting Indiana out of sorts offensively.
Like their defense in the first half of this game was so incredibly disrupted.
Like I said, Indiana had 19 turnovers in the first half.
They average, I think, about 11 or 12 per game.
Like their main ball handlers, Halliburton, Inter Nebhart, T.J. McConnell, they like never turned the ball over.
So this was incredibly out of character for Indiana.
OKC always has that defense that they can fall back on as the thing that we can do to get ourselves back to zero again,
like to reset our levels when things aren't going well or if we need to choke out an opponent,
an opponent either way, this is what we can do.
This is who we are.
and the Pacers very clearly have an identity down the stretch,
and they know exactly how they are going to play,
and they know exactly what they're supposed to be doing,
and they have a belief in it.
And that belief extends beyond just Tyrese Halliburton self-belief.
Like his self-belief can only get the team so far coming back from double-digit deficits
if the rest of the team isn't on board and they don't equally believe.
like that team knows exactly who they are offensively, I think, on a bunch of different facets.
The Lakers, the last few years, have not seemed like they've really had an identity in terms of like,
if you asked us, how exactly do the Lakers play, there have been different points over the course
of the season where we could describe it, but it's never felt that way like consistently for
a couple seasons. Like ever since the 2020 championship run,
where it was very clear the identity they had defense first and like a really enveloping,
physically overwhelming defense.
It's never felt like they've really had an identity.
And it hasn't felt like Rob Polinka has really attempted to put rosters together
with the idea of a very specific identity.
So they made radical changes and then radical changes that have been required
by the radical changes.
And then they had a radical change that everybody likes,
but they had a radical change kind of thrust upon them or gifted to them by Nico Harrison
in the form of Luca Donchich.
So yeah, there just hasn't been any continuity at all.
And that is problematic.
Andy, you and I remember when Chris Paul was a Laker, we were there.
We wrote stories about it, stories that never saw the light of day.
Yeah, they got a spike.
You do radio shows.
It never happened.
So we were there the first time Chris Paul became a Laker.
Are we going to be here the second time he becomes a Laker?
That's next.
Chris Paul had a surprisingly good year, I think, at least in the minds of some people in
San Antonio.
He's not all-star Chris Paul anymore, but was a very solid contributor on that team this
year and you know and and perhaps most impressively um played every game yeah at age 800 i mean
20 minutes a game 82 games yeah he wasn't he wasn't just hanging out you know no disrespect
mark keef morris style like you know you can play hurt when when you're not going to be asked to
play um you know you're there for all of them and so you know CP he was under 10 points a game
but he averaged seven and a half assists.
He averaged over a steal a game.
He shot 38% from three point range.
You know, the numbers aren't peak Chris Paul,
but they're not bad either,
especially on a permanent basis.
Our friend of Raj Marcosi at the Sporting Tribune,
the site that he launched,
noted that Chris Paul said that he wants to,
you know, his family is in L.A.
And he wants to finish in LA because he doesn't want to be away from his family anymore.
That leaves two options, Andy.
You've got the Clippers and the Lakers.
The Lakers, you know, I have a theory on this as to whether or not like Chris Paul would be a good addition.
I'm curious, though, first, what you think.
Well, like you said, there are dots that feel like they can be connected.
Chris Paul, his family lives in L.A.
He is a free agent.
The Lakers could use a better backup floor general than Gabe Vincent independent of Chris Paul.
Chris Paul is very good friends with LeBron.
Chris Paul is the one member of the banana boat crew that LeBron's never played with in the NBA.
So, you know, there is still a loop to complete.
Like you mentioned, his numbers, a little under nine points a game, about seven and a half assists,
a little under 38% from behind the arc, 28 minutes.
Those numbers may not blow you away,
but they're better than Gabe Vincennes.
Gabe played 72 games, so less than 82,
six fewer minutes per game, six points per game,
on 40, 35 splits,
and his playmaking is nowhere close to Chris Paul's.
Like Chris Paul average nearly triple the assists,
then Gabe's assists per 36 minutes.
It's like Gabe is really a shooting guard in a point guard's body.
And the problem is also, though, he's not often aggressive enough looking to score like a shooting guard would either.
And he's often not as effective as you'd wanted to be in those moments when he is aggressive.
I've been thinking about this.
And I don't know so much that I want Chris Paul specifically.
but the fact that if you asked me who would I rather have Chris Paul or Gabe Vincent,
I'm leaning Chris Paul.
If nothing else speaks to the upgrades that need to be there for the bench with both scoring and playmaking,
that I think Chris Paul or pick a different backup point guard would help more than Gabe Vincent.
Like in a lot of ways, my thoughts on Chris Paul,
could be, I guess, construed as more about Gabe than Chris Paul specifically.
Gabe's better defender.
I'm not even, you know what, though?
I think so.
Here's the thing.
At this stage of CP's career, I think so.
He might be, but the problem even there, I mean, I'll be honest, I would need to go look
at Chris in San Antonio to like really know for sure what he's like as a defender.
but even if Gabe is a better defender than Chris Paul at this stage of his career, Chris in his prime was an elite defender, but he's 40.
You still run into the same problem with both of them in the sense that Gabe often gets targeted because of his size.
And while sometimes he can be effective for a guy his size, he often gets targeted specifically because he's small.
Like part of the reason I got so frustrated in the first few months of last season was with all the automatic no questions asked,
exceptionally accommodating switching that the Lakers were doing defensively.
And the fact that JJ was often using Gabe as a defensive substitute, his defensive substitute was typically getting targeted by the other team.
Like, that's a problem.
You can't have a guy out there who's supposed to be one of your better defenders, and
offenses are actually looking to try to get him into a switch.
So even if you think Gabe is a better defender than Chris, you run into a lot of the same
problems with both of them defensively regardless.
I think there's some truth to that.
I'll tell you where I think, you know, whether you're keeping Vincent,
whether you're getting a different guard and, you know,
because you've used trade,
convince it in a trade.
You know, Carl for President Anthony points out, you know,
CP got a little traffic cone swag.
He didn't even close the fourth quarter in San Antonio.
Again, I don't think he's,
but like he wouldn't close fourth quarters here either.
No.
He's a backup.
Right.
So you're going to,
you don't expect your backup.
Oh, he should make it clear.
He should not be starting for the Lakers.
Like, no.
No.
So,
I mean, I don't have a, I think he played pretty well last year.
I think he could actually help the Lakers.
I don't know how much he'd play, but like, I think he, you know,
I think he could help the Lakers that don't think he'd need to play 28 minutes for this team.
Where I get a little concerned, and this is less a Chris Paul question,
than it is a Rob Polinka roster construction question,
because the danger with, especially when you don't have a lot of things to choose for,
and we're talking about like Chris Paul probably at the minimum, you know, we're not.
There's no probably.
But you're not, you could use part of your exception or something.
I would not want to.
Right.
The options would need to be exceptionally low for me to want to break up part of that exception for Grisball.
It's a league minimum or no thanks.
It's so, excuse me,
until you have a situation where
you can
kind of gather
like the problem with having to do
a lot of stuff too with veterans minimum guys,
you don't have a lot of choices.
So you end up sort of gathering
the best player that you
can find and you
don't focus to whatever
ability you have
to making all the parts work together,
to filling out,
you know, Lakers need to get more athletic.
Chris Paul does not make you more athletic.
They need to be able to defend better, particularly on the perimeter.
And CP is probably one of the best defenders in the league from a perimeter standpoint at age 40.
You know, among the 40-year-olds, he's probably as good as anybody.
It's not that he's terrible, but he's like, there's only so much you can expect from the guy.
And so is he somebody who kind of addresses, okay, well, if you don't do it there,
you need to get somewhere else.
But then you kind of, well,
the best small forward available here right now,
the best power forward or the best center.
It's like this guy doesn't really do all the things we need,
but he's appreciably better than this other guy that we could sign that,
you know,
so it's just,
it becomes you only have space for a couple of those guys probably that are like,
all right,
he doesn't really solve a one of our problems,
but he's just a good player.
So let's have him.
Richard Arcollar comments.
Are we shooting for a championship or we are developmental slash mentoring team in a retirement home?
Yeah.
And that's, I mean, I think, I don't think it's fair to put CP in that.
Like, he's going to be better than some of the minimum options that are out there.
And people will be like different positions obviously.
You've got Lonnie Walker is out there.
Like, why is he like Chris Paul still a better player than Lonnie Walker?
Yeah.
20 minutes a game last year, Chris Paul averaged seven and a half assists.
he routinely had games where he was up around 10.
He still knows how to move the thing around.
And in a second unit, you have LeBron, you have AR, presumably you have Luca.
And so there's a bit like in a second unit as a guy who can both stand there and shoot
threes still at a pretty reasonable rate and also keep the wheels moving.
Especially if, you know, we've talked about before, the Lakers obviously need to
juice their bench scoring their bench production, like quite literally the counting stats.
And they're going to try to, I think in a variety of different ways, whether the trades or
the taxpayer mid-level or vet minns, probably look for the most like gaudy type of players they
can bring, like the most counting stats players. But if they can't fill the bench that way,
then at minimum they need somebody who can help give the.
those mid-level scores the best shots possible,
like the best looks possible, put them in the best position possible to score.
Chris Paul's good at that.
He is good at that.
You may be frozen.
I think Brian is frozen right now.
So in any event, leave us comments, your thoughts on Chris Paul
about whether or not you think this is a good idea.
whether you would prefer Chris Paul over Gabe Vincent,
whether you would want Chris Paul in the first place.
Other suggestions you would have for guys off the bench,
veteran minimums, guys that they could get with taxpayer mid-level, stuff like that.
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