Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Could This Be LeBron's Retirement Season? Plus, Bronny and Koloko Shine, Knecht Struggles (Again)

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everyone, welcome to Lockdown Lakers for Friday. Brian Komenesky, Andy Komenesky. If this is LeBron James' final season in the NBA, could that explain why he's handling this offseason the way he is? That's next. You are Locked on Lakers. Your daily Los Angeles Lakers podcast, part of the Locked on Podcasts Network, your team every day.

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Starting point is 00:01:13 So we'll get to that. We'll get to a little bit of Summer League, a good game for Brony's son, or LeBron's son. That's Brony. First, I want to tell you that today's episode is brought to you by game time. Let me tell you something. Brony's son, who, to the best of my knowledge, doesn't even exist. If he's all ready to play, already ready to play in the NBA,

Starting point is 00:01:34 damn those James jeans, man. They're unreal. You know what? I wouldn't be, if LeBron can last long enough to demand the Lakers draft his grandson, I think that's fine. I'm actually okay with that. It's like, you know what?

Starting point is 00:01:50 You've earned it at that point. You're 63 years old. Ronnie's kid would be like two at this point. At best. If he's already like NBA ready, summer league ready, again. I like the idea of you sort of dismissing the idea of like a two-year-old James only, like his talent,

Starting point is 00:02:11 because it's only summer league ready as opposed to regular. I don't want to hype him too much, man. That's a lot of pressure on a two-year-old. On a two-year-old, we're pretty sure doesn't exist. Yeah, it's true. Download the GameTime app, create an account, use code locked on NBA for $20 off for first purchase terms applied. What time is it, Andy?

Starting point is 00:02:33 It's game time. It's not a rhetorical question. So it is, one of the things that I want to get to over the course of today's show is just some of the reaction that we get when we talk about LeBron. And this to me is just a fascinating phenomenon when you think about the Lakers and Lakers fans and Lakers culture is just how wide a range of opinion. that there is on LeBron. And for some circles, the flat-out enthusiasm for the idea that this might be his final season with the Lakers. And to that end, Andy, Dave McMenneman, ESPN's Dave McMeneman, has had this to say about LeBron and how long he might play. Quote, I think we have to start thinking that this could be his last year in the league.

Starting point is 00:03:34 Rich Paul, that's LeBron's agent, told me there was no exception. extension talk because they didn't ask for an extension. They didn't broach the subject. Small pause, Andy, you and I have both talked about there may be reasons that aren't about the finality of LeBron's career that they didn't do that. If you want to quickly recap what those reasons might be. I don't think the Lakers were going to offer him one. And I think that LeBron and Rich Paul were aware that the offer wasn't coming.

Starting point is 00:04:03 And I think for a variety of reasons, when you're someone of. LeBron's stature, you don't want it to be reported that you asked for something like a continuation of a contract and you were told no. For a variety of different reasons, I don't think that they would prefer for that to be out there. And I don't blame him for feeling this way because he certainly earned this sort of expectation. It would be that, of course, you're going to offer me this. I don't need to ask because I'm LeBron flipping James. I'm not saying it's the correct expectation right now.

Starting point is 00:04:38 Like I've said many times, whether the Lakers continue the relationship with LeBron past this season, I don't think the setup of one plus one contract essentially in perpetuity for as long as LeBron wanted. I don't think that's tenable for building a roster, particularly if you're trying to now build one around Luca in his prime, your new generational star and face, it's not a tenable way to plan out a roster. But I'm just saying from LeBron's perspective, the idea of not being offered a contract is just a foreign world. It is. And it's just, I think the assumption was just for most moment.

Starting point is 00:05:19 He'll get, you know, if he wants a one and one, they'll offer him a one to one. And so the fact that it didn't come up certainly changes the dynamic at the very least. So continuing with what Dave said, Rich Paul told me there was no extent. because they didn't ask for an extension. They didn't broach the subject. Now, you could say, why didn't the Lakers offer it? Sure, you could. That's sort of to your point, Andy.

Starting point is 00:05:40 But Paul's point to me was this wasn't a point of tension. It's not something that they were pursuing. I don't buy that. I'm not sure I do either. Well, I mean, there's... Or the very least that they wouldn't have taken it if offered. Well, there's no reason you wouldn't want it. There is zero downside to having 50-ish million.

Starting point is 00:06:02 dollars guaranteed to you in 26, 27 if you want it. Regardless of what LeBron wants to do moving forward with the Lakers, not with the Lakers, retired, whatever, there is zero downside to having that. I will disagree with the one point. I think if you want to try to maintain as much flexibility as you can to be able to signal to the league, you can go anywhere and have people sort of plan for your impending free agency, if you do want to be able to say at the end of this year, this is the last year we're committed. We want the flexibility to go anywhere.

Starting point is 00:06:39 The best way to do that is to make sure you become an unrestricted free agent. If you have that 55, I'm just, you know, this is, I actually, I think there's some validity to this. Sure. I have the counter. There's zero reason. You know, if you have that option out there, there are going to be a lot of people who assume or believe that you are going to pick up that option. Now, you can do stuff over the course of the year

Starting point is 00:07:07 to make it clear that you won't. Yep. But as long as that option is there, there is always at least the perception that you might pick it up. You can fix the perception. You are better off having the $50-something million as an option if you want it.

Starting point is 00:07:22 There is zero downside to having that option. There just isn't. But also two people may have to, people might, I just disagree with you. But anyway, so, you know, continuing. So I think you look as it is, yeah, there's a very limited time remaining in his career. We kind of already knew that.

Starting point is 00:07:40 We knew that basically since he reached 20 years in the league. He's gone into every offseason contemplating retirement. And so Dave is not a flamethrower. So like this is, you know, he's not a hot take artist. He is not a flamethrower. And I think he's always considered with his words. And like the idea of how. last yearness

Starting point is 00:08:03 would impact what he's doing. I tend to think that the way that he's kind of gone about this offseason, to me, says that he's going to play at least one more year. Because I think if he was really concerned, like really wanted to make sure he had a shot at a title

Starting point is 00:08:24 in his final season, if that's what was sort of motivating him, pushing him through. If he really wanted to do that, and he really knew that this was his last season, he would have perhaps opted out and taken less of the Lakers. He would have opted out and gone somewhere else. He had the ability to go wherever he wanted and instead kind of picked up the option and started signaling about, hey, can we maybe do stuff a little bit different? Like, you know, let's try to do whatever we can to make this year as good as possible. I can see how you can make an argument that says he's trying to goose the Lakers into making the team as good as it possibly can be because it's his last season.

Starting point is 00:09:14 I just tend to think that his behavior might have been different had he really decided going in this offseason that it would be his last season. So respond to that after the break. Locked on Lakers is brought to you by game time. And picture this, because we've all been through it, logging on and waiting forever for concert tickets to go on sale. And then all of a sudden there's some type of glitch and you lose your spot that you, for the show that you've been just dying to see. And then the tickets are sold out and you can't go.

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Starting point is 00:11:07 be his last season. When he goes into the offseason and says, I got to talk about it with my family, I got to think about it. It's not posturing. It's not trying to, you know, it's like it's a guy who's been in the league for 20 years having to decide whether or not he wants to do it for 20, 21, 22, 23. He might, but he might not. Like, it's not crazy to think the guy could retire. So when you hear that kind of evaluation from that I can call it reporting, I think it's an evaluation based on some of the stuff that, you know, his conversations with Rich Paul. How does that make, how does that contextualize what we've seen over the course of this offseason for you?

Starting point is 00:11:46 To be honest, it really doesn't. A, because, and, you know, we've been very clear over the last few seasons when LeBron has at least floated the idea of needing to think this over, the most typical media reaction is, oh, LeBron's just trying to get attention, you know, distract away from the Lakers is getting eliminated. He can't stand not being the topic conversation. You and I have always been consistently saying, no, I think he is genuinely wondering whether he wants to do this again

Starting point is 00:12:14 because it's really difficult at his age to keep doing this. Like what it takes to keep his body able to play at the level that he does is really hard. You know, beyond all the time away from family and things like that. Like this is, I've said this many times. LeBron is still playing at a high level. But the biggest piece where you see the aging is that it doesn't look easy anymore. Like you feel the sweat and the effort with LeBron that you didn't in his peak years, even when the numbers are basically the same. It's just a hell of a lot more work.

Starting point is 00:12:53 So in that sense, I don't know how much I think it has to do with some of the messaging post opting in. But also because LeBron has always used this methodology. Like he has always tried to create pressure, do what I call the passive, aggressive type comments. Like this is normal for LeBron. Like this has been standard operating procedure for damn near his entire career, particularly once he really had the juice to do it. So I think whether LeBron was really mulling over the idea of this being his last season or if in his head, he's thinking, I'm going another four because whatever reason I want to, I think he'd be doing exactly the same. That's the thing.

Starting point is 00:13:42 And that to me is why, because people, could this be his last year? Absolutely. I just think that his incentive structure is the same, whether it's, I'm going to play this year. I'm going to play this year and next year. I'm going to play this year, next year, and the year after. It's still a very limited amount of time. and he wants whatever team he's on. And I think we talked about this a little bit for Thursday.

Starting point is 00:14:11 Like ego is obviously part of this. Relationships are part of this. Stature. All these are like these, you know, these guys have a very specific way of thinking. LeBron absolutely believes that rightly that he is still among the best players in the game and, you know, wants to be playing high level.

Starting point is 00:14:33 basketball and all that. He wants the attention, wants to be in the middle of it, all that. I do think in the end, he just wants to be playing. He doesn't want to do a victory tour that's just, all right, we're in a different arena this year,

Starting point is 00:14:46 welcoming a five games under 500 Lakers team and so on and so on. Like, I, and so to try to do that, you goose the team you're on. You might start shopping around for another one. just the difference between then and now is it's certainly going to be very difficult for him to do the two things

Starting point is 00:15:10 that he's always sort of prioritized, which is playing on a winning team but also getting paid his value. Whether with the Lakers, you know, the Lakers are probably the team most likely to do that for him, get him close, you know, because they can kind of manipulate how the order in which they do things and give him more money and still add players and all these other things,

Starting point is 00:15:31 whereas other teams have to fit him into space, fit him into an exception or whatever it might be. But it's just increasingly hard to do both of those things. So it would be interesting to see what he prioritizes. And then the priority of, you know what, I like it here, which is the reason he came to L.A. in the first place. Right. Like he did not come to L.A. to save the Lakers,

Starting point is 00:15:56 even though I think he wanted to bring the Lakers back to, you know, championship relevancy if for no other reason, then he gets a ring in the process. But, you know, and I think he cares about the Lakers brand. I think there's a pride that he takes in being a Laker. Like I don't think that doesn't exist. I'm just saying the first reason he came to the Lakers is because they're located in Los Angeles. And he wanted to essentially start his post-basketball career in real time, which he's done a pretty amazing job of in terms of all the different spaces that he is currently involved in while still playing basketball for, if I had to guess, longer than he expected when he first signed with the Lakers.

Starting point is 00:16:40 But again, I go back to the idea of when LeBron was in his prime in Miami and in Cleveland, and he had another decade at least to keep playing, he still pretty much demanded that those teams trade everything not nailed down and send out every pick. And whatever. So again, whether, I think in some ways it's very difficult to distinguish how much of this is fueled by seeing the finish line versus this is just what LeBron does because one way or another, it's exactly the same. Well, and I think this kind of leads into this conversation about like what people think about LeBron and just like how many people are like ready for him to go. Like just buy them out. I've seen comments on the on the U2H buy them out who cares like he wants to go like that's terrible idea that is such a bad I mean it's a bad idea from the Lakers perspective like they would be absolutely insane

Starting point is 00:17:42 to cut off their season at the knees to just buy out LeBron and have like 48 million 49 million whatever of dead money on their cap for this season it would just be stupid it would be like the idea of that's doing right by LeBron? No. Like the way I think you could do right by LeBron would be if say in January, the team clearly just for whatever reason is not going anywhere. At that point, I would just waive LeBron if he wanted to leave. I wouldn't buy him out.

Starting point is 00:18:15 I would let him keep every dime. And then from there, choose whatever team that he wants, assuming that that team can take him on, cap rolls, yada, yada, yada. and that I think would be doing right by LeBron in a way that I think is earned and deserved. But I'm sorry, the idea that he, you know, he has earned the right to get bought out before the season begins off a contract that he opted into. Like at essentially at the Lakers, at the Lakers financial and basketball expense, no. In no sane world does that happen. And I look at this and like I think amongst at least a section of Lakers enthusiasts, I'm in like a minority here.

Starting point is 00:19:04 I just, I don't see anything nefarious here. I don't see LeBron doing something crazy and, you know, undercutting the success of the team because I think ultimately he's just going to stay here for the year. And everybody will reevaluate it in the summertime. I think the Lakers aren't changing their behavior. in response to LeBron, but they're also, I've made this point, like the Lakers, everydayers might recognize it. I've made the point, like, the priorities for the Lakers and the priorities for LeBron overlap because the Lakers want to make this team as good as they can for Luka, too,

Starting point is 00:19:45 because they need to make sure Luca understands, not just, hey, these people have treated me well, which he's on the record, you know, through his, his rep is saying and he's, his exit interview said as such and all that stuff. But you need to show it. You need to show competence. You need to show execution of a plan. And so doing smart things this summer that improve the team, making one more trade, finding another free agent out there, whether Gary Payton Jr. or, you know, Melton or whoever it might be, that aligns with the Lakers' interests too, even though it also overlaps with a brunt. It's just everybody, I think,

Starting point is 00:20:22 sort of freaks out over this stuff. None of it kind of till the point you said before. None of this strikes me as weird or unusual. It all feels totally normal. The only difference is there is now an endpoint to the contract. That's it. Well, but that in and of itself is a very big thing. I'm not saying it's not anything,

Starting point is 00:20:42 but the rest of the behavior is exactly the same. Sure, the rest of the behavior or, the approach from LeBron is pretty much, like I said, standard operating procedure. But the context changes dramatically in a setting where it's very clear that the Lakers are not just going to reflexively cater to LeBron in a way that they largely have for his entire time with the Lakers. Like that in and of itself is a pretty big sea change. Yeah, it is, but there's a balance to it.

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Starting point is 00:22:50 is just that I think you're right. Like that aspect of the contract changes really is a big deal. I'm not trying to de-emphasize that, but it's kind of balanced by the fact that, yes, he's got an end point to his contract, but he's also for kind of the first time borderline leverage free. So I feel like that kind of balances out those two things. It's just kind of a fascinating moment in history where I think people are looking for villains where they don't exist. It's just from a storytelling standpoint,

Starting point is 00:23:25 I just think it's really interesting. I think it's a situation where there's some tension. And look, we've talked about this pretty openly. LeBron's time with the Lakers has always been kind of a hot and cold relationship. There's always been lingering bouts of tension. It has always been kind of a transactional convenience of merit. I mean, contractional, transactional marriage. of convenience. And those type of setups can be vulnerable for fallouts of some type. And they tend to

Starting point is 00:24:00 run their course, I think, in ways that just, you know, they feel, I don't want to say ugly, because I think this is not ugly territory. I don't think this season is going to turn ugly. I don't think it's going to turn dramatic. But it feels like there's going to be a coldness to the way, that this thing may end unless it ends up LeBron's farewell tour, in which case the Lakers will do an outstanding job with that because they are really good at that sort of stuff. But if it is not specifically known as LeBron's final season, you know, final season in the NBA, unless we get clear signs that this thing is going to continue beyond next season, I think it's going to just end on something of a cold transactional note, which, like I said, to some degree, is the whole relationship between LeBron and the Lakers, which doesn't necessarily have to be bad either.

Starting point is 00:24:59 It's just that way. It is what it is. You talk about hot and cold. Bronny James. Hot. Dalton Connect. Cold. that continued Thursday in the Lakers' second to last summer league game, I believe it is.

Starting point is 00:25:22 They lose to Boston. 8778 is the final score there. The final scores in these things are not super duper relevant. What matters is how the players that matter perform. And Brani, when did they play on Tuesday? If Tuesday was to this point his best summer league game, You could argue that it was eclipsed by what he did on Thursday, which was impressive in a lot of ways. Open the game with some strong interior play passing, you know, moving ball to Christian Coloco.

Starting point is 00:25:58 He finished a couple. I had a couple really strong finishes in the lane through contact. Good plays up the floor. All kinds of things. You know, played good. But you just, again, look like the Lakers' most solid player on the floor. and so that continues to be a good sign for a team that could use some surprise help at the back end of the rotation. Again, we need to see him up against legit NBA competition to know how much this translates.

Starting point is 00:26:25 But all you can ask from Ronnie at this point is to perform at the stage and the opportunity in front of him. And he's doing it. And again, this feels like a continuation of his improvement over the course of his rookie season in the G League. Like this feels like a continuation of it. I am still not entirely convinced that his offensive role is solidified both in terms of his skill set, but also their vision for him. And until that happens, I think he is just too small to exist as a defensive specialist.

Starting point is 00:27:02 But if they can find an offensive lane for him, doesn't necessarily have to be a high Octane Lane. It just has to be something specific with utility that Brony does on offense. He is looking more and more like somebody who at least has a shot at carving out an NBA career. And again, at this particular stage, that's the best thing you can ask for. Yep, 55th pick in the draft last year, 20-year-old kid overall pretty good. I think that lane, the one thing he doesn't do well enough right now, well, there's more than one thing, but one thing he doesn't do well enough right now in terms of trying to picture what he would look like

Starting point is 00:27:42 as part of at least stopgap in an NBA rotation, whatever I would be. I think he would be relied on more to shoot the ball well and that is not a place that he's thriving. Getting better, but it's still not quite there yet, particularly I guess think against NBA closeouts, NBA defense. The other guy I wanted to mention before maybe we know another tough game from Dalton Connect.

Starting point is 00:28:10 Christian Coloco played really nice. A couple good finishes. I get the rim. He had a nice play where he took a pass. I think it was from Brony. It might have been Swider, actually. Cutting through the lane, little Euro step to finish.

Starting point is 00:28:26 He had a nice, you know, kind of reception of a lob from Brony. Six blocks. So, I mean, this was a solid performance. from Coloco, who it's worth remembering is another player the Lakers are trying to develop. I don't think they're looking at him to help in the rotation this year, but they really do hope he develops into a rotation player after a promising start to his career in Toronto. I will just remind that during exit interviews, I asked Rob Belinka very directly for the thought

Starting point is 00:28:58 process behind not activating either Trey Jemison or my choice. and I said at the time, Christian Coloco for the playoffs ahead of Alex Lenn. And I found Rob's non-answer very unsatisfying. So. Because I wanted him available for the playoffs. I thought he could be helpful. He certainly would have been more helpful than nobody. Well, then Alex Lenn, who it was very clear, was never going to play.

Starting point is 00:29:28 Never going to play. Never. Bad game for Dalton. I remain extremely concerned. My Dalton emergency, break glass in case of emergency, I broke that about a week ago. I am very down on how he's playing

Starting point is 00:29:48 and particularly his value around the league based on how he's looked in the summer league. Preseason is going to be monumentally important for Dalton Connect. Like, I don't have this like quantified and ranked or whatever, but this might be the most important preseason for second year player, at least for the Lakers in like 30 years. So this is a really important preseason because the summer league,

Starting point is 00:30:22 there's only one game left for the Lakers. And even if Dalton plays well, it's like great. He needs like a 50 point triple double to put everyone at each. But I'm not sure that would because it's like where the, you know, okay, great, you play two good games. Lakers, don't forget the Lakers played in two leagues. Like, it's like eight games. I'm just saying he could use some eye popping stats just to get everyone to momentarily shut the bleep up. Yeah, because he was, just if you missed the numbers, three of 12, four Dalton, one of six from three point range, continues to struggle with his shot.

Starting point is 00:30:56 Brani was seven of 13, one of four from three point range, five assists, three rebounds. I did have eight turnovers, but not all of them were entirely his fault. As Mr. T.D. says, a 50-point triple-double wouldn't hurt for Dolm, I certainly agree with that. And then the other news from Summer League, Darius Basley, got hurt, which sucks. He had to be wheeled off of the floor. Obviously, not obviously, but I mean, I guess we haven't heard, seen an update. It's not going to play on Saturday, I think is when they play again. hopefully he'll be ready for training camp, if not for the Lakers, with someone, because I do feel like he's earned the right to be in somebody's camp.

Starting point is 00:31:40 Yeah. I mean, it's for somebody like Darius Basley who started out in the league showing some promise, he averaged double digits two seasons in a row with Oklahoma City, albeit on very bad teams at the beginning of the rebuilding process. But nonetheless, that is showing something for, you know, him, to have bounced around the league, out of the league for a few seasons, and then to really have this summer league that I think he's gotten a lot of attention. I don't think it's just from people like us covering the team. Like I've heard like a few national either podcasts or whatever,

Starting point is 00:32:18 like noting how Darius Basley has played. I hope that this is not too serious because this, I think, was a good start for him at least potentially solidified. lying away back into the NBA and it would suck to get hurt in summer league. You know what I mean? Like in a venue where you don't even really get much for your trouble. Yeah. So hopefully, hopefully it's not as bad as it looked. You know, not as bad.

Starting point is 00:32:48 They're just extra caution and things like that. So if anything comes up, we will obviously pass it along. Not a whole lot of free agency news, the same names. have been out there, you know, a little bit more chatter maybe around a guy like Gary Peyton the second. I keep calling him Jr., Gary Payton II, and players like that. But if anything percolates, we will obviously bring it to you. But in the meantime, Andy is going to be putting out, we'll be putting out a call for mailbag. This is a perfect time of the offseason to ask us questions anything you've got on your mind about the lakers the nba more broadly life in general

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Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Could This Be LeBron's Retirement Season? Plus, Bronny and Koloko Shine, Knecht Struggles (Again)

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