Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Deandre Ayton Out for Tuesday's Game Vs. the Clippers... How Will the Offense Change?

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Starting point is 00:01:20 that'll continue the Lakers shooting and whether or not what we're seeing here is going to improve all of that stuff. And, at first we need to talk about the game right in front of the Lakers. and who won't be playing in it. DeAndre Aiton will be out of Tuesday night's game against the clippers with that knee contusion, no word yet on how long that absence will last. But at least for Tuesday, he's not there.

Starting point is 00:01:50 And this is a game where you could use legitimate seven foot, you know, starting caliber center because the clippers may not be very good, Andy, but they are big. They are big. And we can get into some of their size. I consider elements of it problematic for the Lakers and elements of it problematic for the clippers. So there could be different ways to gauge that just for more clarity, a little more detail.

Starting point is 00:02:16 The Lakers did not practice on Monday. So because of that, there's been no details on Aiton's situation beyond the duration of it, just like how severe they think it is, what degree of pain he's in, if he's being left out purely or being kept out of the game purely as a precautionary thing or something that they are concerned about longer term. I'm sure there will be more details before the game. JJ will be asked about it certainly afterwards. But yeah, it's going to be an issue first and foremost,

Starting point is 00:02:49 just dealing with the Vita Zubots. He's one of the better centers in the league. He can be extremely effective around the glass. And D'Andre Aiton is one of the better deterrential. turns the Lakers have, and he is definitely the biggest Laker that they have. So it's going to be a lot of work, I think, in particular with Zubots and trying to corral him. And as much as you're going to be looking to Jackson Hayes and Max E. Claibah and Rui and LeBron in their own rights, it's going to be a group project. And I think that's, we'll get into some of the individual

Starting point is 00:03:28 skills and areas that Aiton himself brings to the table that they're going to have to offset. And what I think is also going to be kind of an interesting thought experiment in some ways when it comes to just Aitin in general with this team. But as far as, because you mentioned the size of the clippers, it really, to me, is about Zubots and what they do about him. And one of the things that I think would be interesting, just to see us who JJ starts. Oftentimes in these types of situations,

Starting point is 00:04:06 you don't necessarily elevate, coaches won't elevate the backup. You know, the guy that at least is seen right behind is the backup because it screws up your rotation that much more. Sometimes you'll see it where they'll get the guy, you know, the third guy and drop them in there. And especially given the, you know, the matchup, It would not surprise me at all if Maxie Claibus started this game.

Starting point is 00:04:30 I actually don't even think it's a bad idea. And because Hayes, one of the things that I really like about Hayes and what they've been doing with him and I think it's been very helpful throughout the year is allowing him to spend more time against backup players and second units and things like that. where I just think generally speaking, he can be more effective. You're not going to be getting much offense, whether as a starter or a reserve out of clay, but that's not what he's going to be out there to do.

Starting point is 00:05:06 I think he can provide you the sort of structure that you need defensively, set the screens that you want and all that kind of stuff. I think, again, wouldn't surprise me. It might be what I would do, but either way, both those guys are going to have to be ready to go. Yeah, I think you can make an argument for it either way. I don't think there is a true right or wrong answer, especially when you consider that neither one of them is an ideal starting option in the place. I think the biggest argument you could make for Hayes is,

Starting point is 00:05:41 A, he's a really good law partner and pick and roll partner with Luca. I think he also occupies Zubots more defensively than Klaeva does. and that might, if nothing else, keep them busier or maybe actually have a greater potential for getting Zubots into some foul trouble because I think one way to combat the fact that they now have the best center on the floor is to try to get them off the floor

Starting point is 00:06:08 and that might be one way to do it. Yeah, I mean, I guess the only really you're talking about, you know, by, you know, because Jackson can roll hard to the rim and stuff like that. I mean, you're obviously not dropping the ball down to him in the post and letting him draw fouls that way on. No, on Aviza Zubot. That's not which you're also not doing with Claibor either. No, I mean, the only the only possible difference is you could, in theory, there was a there was a time, Andy, when Maxi Claibu would have pulled the Evita Zubots away from the basket.

Starting point is 00:06:44 That time, I think, has passed. I mean, most teams will happily let, uh, Claiba beat them from the perimeter and turn back the clock. JJ still seems to believe in this in the way like a small child believes in Santa. And look, maybe this will be the year when we all learn that Santa's real. And I want to make it clear. I really like the way Maxi played Sunday versus Utah. I think his limited minutes have been good. So I don't have an issue with Maxi being on the floor at all.

Starting point is 00:07:19 I just get a sense because I think JJ value spacing a lot, which is not singular to JJ, most coaches do, but because he values spacing a lot, I think sometimes comes up with his lineup configurations based on spacing. I think he, if nothing else wants to believe in the idea of Maxi Cringle, as it were. Is that, do you think that it's, because I don't think the spacing thing is really the I don't think it's the only reason, but I think, I don't think it's, I don't think it's, or Claibah for, for Redick. I don't think it's the only reason. I don't think it's the only reason. I don't, but I don't, I don't, I don't necessarily know if it's like one of the top couple, but, um, oh, I think it

Starting point is 00:08:10 is either way. I think it is. Yeah, I, I don't know. I think it's the other stuff. I think the defense. I think he's more, considers him more reliable, then he does more of the sort of the small thing, sets a better screen, does all the less likely to be moving while he does it than Jackson, things like that. So, but we'll see. I mean, how he handles it. But like the bigger thing about this is it is it is a reminder of what they're missing without Aiton. And obviously, you know, you talk about the seven footer and he's done a pretty decent job,

Starting point is 00:08:42 you know, especially based on his career. you know, the expectations of rim protection and stuff like that. But I think, you know, the biggest loss for the Lakers when Aiton doesn't play is offensively. They're just the limitations that this creates, the how much easier having Aitner makes life for Luca, for Reeves, for LeBron, because you have a presence in the lane that needs to be accounted for on that screen and roll and all those. Now the Lakers are going to have to figure out a different way to create space around the floor so that they don't become sort of an exclusively jump shooting three-point shooting team. Because Andy, as we've noted in the last few shows, that's not going very well right now. Well, that whole mid-range area offensively for the Lakers is going to suffer for however long DeAndre Aten's not there.

Starting point is 00:09:38 He's been just outstanding in that area per cleaning the glass. He's in the 80th percentile for his position in the mid-range for accuracy and 92nd percent in terms of frequency. And along with Rui, Aiton is a big reason that the Lakers have been one of for a while, actually, the best team in the mid-range in the entire league. It also, as you pointed out, it varies what they can do offensively, you know, the entire diet in front of them. they're going to miss DeAndre Aiton as an offensive rebounder, like both what he does individually and how the team tends to perform on the offensive glass, they're better when he's on the floor. And I do think Jackson and Maxie can be helpful here. Jake LaRavia has been sneaky good on the offensive glass this whole year. But Aiton takes up the most space of everybody, and that really is one of his calling cards. And to your point, also the screens that he sets get, it really gets.

Starting point is 00:10:39 guys open against Utah in the first half where Aiton played and not even particularly effectively because I think pretty early on he was dealing with that knee contusion. The Lakers scored 62 points in the second half without Aiton at all. They scored 46. Do I think it is entirely because of Aiton's absence that discrepancy? No, but it ain't not because of it either. No. And I do think it'll it exacerbate potentially could exasperate some of their perimeter shooting problems, which we'll get into next. Locked on Lakers is brought to you by Robin Hood. Your ambition just met its match with Robin Hood.

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Starting point is 00:14:10 the Lakers are actually making that move. And Drew Timmy, while obviously if he were a star player, he would not be on a two-way, but he is far more playable than Christian Coloco. He had some good minutes with the Nets last season and has been putting up huge numbers in the G-League. He is a much more of a usable break glass in case of an emergency center slash forward than Coloco.

Starting point is 00:14:38 and the hope is that's not why the Lakers chose to move this process along, but we'll see. I mean, I would suspect that he will be in uniform Tuesday night. So do I. I imagine that the timing of this is not coincidental. It's funny. Actually, Dan Wojke, friend of the show from the athletic, tweeted out,

Starting point is 00:15:03 quote, rumors about the Lakers' interest in Timmy have really picked up steam since LeBron James's time with South Bay, referencing when LeBron was rehabbing and getting ready to join the big club, working out with the G League. And I'm just begging you, LeBron, lean into this bit and say that Drew Timmy

Starting point is 00:15:22 has been on your radar since like second grade. Like you've been watching this little kid Drew Timmy, and you knew, you knew when he was like nine years old, this kid was going places. Just come on. LeBron, you know everybody thinks that you're like, a teller of tall tales and frankly a liar. And I'm not saying you are.

Starting point is 00:15:43 I'm just saying lean into the bit. Come on. Do it. Do it. I am a little concerned to be honest with about what this offense, which does not look that great anyway, looks like when you take out this very important piece of not just scoring. I mean, Aidan's been providing them anywhere from,

Starting point is 00:16:08 you know, a very reliable, you know, 12 to 20 a night. But the how with how these points get there is important. The Lakers against Utah shot like 73% from two point range. And they got, drew a bunch of files, but they got to get into the, they got to get into the interior of a defense to do that. Aiton is a huge help for that sort of thing, just in moving the pieces around.

Starting point is 00:16:33 Now they're going to have to figure out how to do it in a way that hopefully won't involve, just chucking up a bunch of three-pointers and hope they go in. Yeah, we're going to talk about the chucking of said three-pointers and why they are chucking too many. But one of the things I was thinking about with Aiton, and like you said, I hope this is not a long absence. But for however long D'Andre can't play,

Starting point is 00:16:57 I think it's going to be kind of an interesting look at data versus the eye test. Like the offense, for example, is a net 2.7 points better with D'Andre Aiton on the floor only per 100 possessions, only Luca and Austin have played as many or more minutes than Aiton with as high of an offensive rating. But the defensive rating is 7.7 points worse with Aiton on the floor leading to an overall negative net rating for DeAndre Aten. And I think our everydayers know, I and you as well, Brian, we're people that use analytics. We use advanced data. we think it is useful stuff. But I also believe in what I'm seeing on the court as somebody who's paying attention

Starting point is 00:17:43 and the eye test. And I see D'Andre Aiton active and disruptive and putting an effort. He is not perfect. And he can be flawed defensively. But whatever issues the defense has, like they are about Aiton to some degree because he plays like 30 minutes a night or close. So he's a part of it. but they don't feel like they are about D'Andre Aiton in the way that his reputation would lead you to believe. So I think it's going to be interesting to see what effects are there.

Starting point is 00:18:19 It's also, in looking at some of the two-man data, two-man lineup data, his defensive rating picks up tremendously when he is playing with Marcus Smart, as does Ruiz. it's when the two of them are together. As a two-man, their two-man data shrink or gets worse on the defensive end. Yet another reason that I would swap in Marcus Smart for Rui, not as a demotion of Rui. It's about lineup combination, skill sets, and whatnot. But it's going to be interesting, I think, to see just, and again, hopefully it's not a long period. But it's going to be interesting to see just how. how this all looks without DeAndre and if nothing else does does his absence confirm the data or does it confirm more of the eye test or a bit of both?

Starting point is 00:19:15 Well, I guess I was going to say while you were talking about the numbers in terms of like his net rating and all that, it is I think very dependent as you know, you've been when I was to say. It's like it's really very much dependent on who he's playing with. and, you know, the, the, the, the starters question is tabled, I guess, to some degree a little bit, you know, because, you know, you have a whole other set of combinations and stuff like that. But, you know, this, but it's also related to the shooting. I mean, because, you know, we can, we can carry this through after the break and talk, you know, start talking about it now. Part of the problem with smart, and I've been an advocate for him starting,

Starting point is 00:19:59 assuming the Lakers think he's physically capable of doing this for the season. I want to ask JJ about this the next time he's put in front of us with practice and stuff. Just, you know, how much they think that matters. You know, does it matter if he plays, you know, that first bite comes against second units as opposed to first? Do they see an advantage there? Because you can still close games. Like there's no rule that says just because you don't start doesn't mean you can't finish. But no, it's often the opposite.

Starting point is 00:20:26 Yeah. The problem is as bad as the Lakers shooting has been, smart is making guys look like prime clay out there. Like, you know, Luca is not shooting well by his standards. He's around 30%. And Reeves is around 30%. They are both at 31.1%. Luca and awesome.

Starting point is 00:20:53 They're such good buddies right now. They even do the same thing from the normal. Well, that's their chemistry. They're both crappy from behind. the arc at the same time. You know, La Ravia is down, you know, the near, you know, about 30%. They're all, everybody's at about 30% except Marcus Smart, who by volume is their third most voluminous three-point shooter on the team.

Starting point is 00:21:14 And he's in the 20s, low 20s. And so that is problematic. And so when you are trying to make some of these decisions and balance the offense versus the defense on a team that already isn't forcing the issue when it comes to spacing, swapping out somebody like Rui, who is their only good three-point shooter right now for Marcus Smart, who is their worst, carries with it some problems. So I do get why, you know, at least for the time being, they had stuck with Rui. Okay, we can talk about this after the break.

Starting point is 00:21:50 And to your point, this is not going to be, finger quotes, solved for a variety of reasons on Tuesday, including their starting center, won't be available. But I have some thoughts both on the shooting and some questions about this group moving forward, but also the Rui piece of this specifically, as big of a Rui proponent as I think our everydayers know, I've been since minute one when he arrived for this team. There's a major glaring problem with keeping Rui in the starting lineup specifically for the shooting. and we'll get into that next.

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Starting point is 00:23:53 It is another light week of games. Lakers play Tuesday. then a couple days off and then they play Friday. So they do get a little bit of a, you know, at least until the weekend and you start getting back into more of that every other day rhythm. Kauai Leonard has returned to the Clippers. He is expected to play Tuesday.

Starting point is 00:24:10 This will be his second game back from a relatively long absence. His presence in the lineup did not help them against Cleveland the other day. They still lost by 15. Anthony Davis, when the Lakers play the Mavericks, later in the week could play in that game as well. So a bad Mavs team could get a little bit of help there in the same way that the clippers obviously become better, at least when Kauai is available.

Starting point is 00:24:38 So two games looked on paper, Andy, look like games against bottom feeding teams change a little bit when they get their stars back. Yeah, anyway, carry on. This one pretty much helpful information from HQ. Yeah. No, absolutely. With Rui, I understand the idea of wanting to keep him out there, beyond the fact that Rui is having a really good season, and there's a lot that he brings

Starting point is 00:25:09 to that starting unit. But if you're talking about specifically the shooting piece of this, and Rui is far in a way the best outside shooter on this team, and it's not even close. It's frankly, disturbingly not enough of a fight. but if Rui is going to be out there specifically or at least, if not solely, in large part because of what he does as an outside shooter, they need to make a point of getting him more shots. Like he needs to take more than four threes a game because if he's only taking four threes a game, I don't care that he's shooting almost 50% because there's all these other issues that get

Starting point is 00:25:53 exacerbated for reasons that are not in there are nothing ruy's doing wrong it's he's not meant to be guarding guards and small wings and some of these other issues and you already have some degree of spacing with lebron lucca and austin anyway because those guys are always going to draw defenders i mean now there's an issue with their shots not actually going in from behind the arc but as far as actually drawing defenses, I don't care if those guys start shooting in the teams from behind the arc. They're never going to be left alone. And Aiton also occupies defenders because he's a scorer. So unless you're really going to start using Rui Moore as an outside shooter, which I'm a proponent of, I've complained for years, I don't think they use Rui enough offensively,

Starting point is 00:26:45 period. But if you're not going to make a real point of it, and part of that point means telling Luca, Austin, and LeBron, once he starts getting back on the swing of things and inevitably putting up more threes, you guys need to sacrifice some of your own outside shots so the guy who's actually good at it can do it.

Starting point is 00:27:05 If you're not going to do that, then you might as well improve the defense. Yeah, I think the point that you just made is where I would go with it is some of this is just scheme. Like they need to, you know, we'll see too with eight and out. They're going to need to be,

Starting point is 00:27:21 creative with how they they utilize LeBron, Luca, and AR as a trio. You know, could be just because you don't want to be in a city, you know, that your pick and roll combinations aren't quite as good as they, as they, you know, otherwise would be. Even when Jackson Hayes is in there, A, the screens aren't as good. And B, the, the available arsenal of outcomes isn't that big. It's just lob, basically, in terms of Jackson Hayes, who I think you made the point for Monday's show, too often tends to just pass the ball out of the... Well, I didn't say he does it.

Starting point is 00:28:02 I didn't say that. When he gets the ball on the rolling of the basket, he very often kicks it back out. Oh, no, no. I... To go to going up, you know, trying to finish up the rim, go through contact, whatever it might be. and he certainly isn't going to take out any post moves or, you know, try to take jumpers from the elbow or things like that. No, all I know was I had said that I think he's an underrated short roll passer. That's all.

Starting point is 00:28:32 Right, but I actually, and the point I made out on the show is like he does that too much. He does it to the exclusion of sometimes of going up through contact or trying to, you know, finish at the rim or draw a foul or whatever. because while he's underrated and he does maybe a little better that it's the man, I think he's not, it's not, he's not, he's not Yokic in there. And so, you know, I,

Starting point is 00:28:54 I am curious to see what they do to try to free things up where there are actions that they run, do they run LeBron off ball a little bit more and try to draw attention that way? He is such a smart player and have him find holes, catch the ball on the move,

Starting point is 00:29:14 I think one thing they'll certainly try to do in the absence of Aden is run the floor more. I think playing quicker is going to be a really big thing for them. Especially against a Clippers team that looks old as hell. Man, if you watch them, they look old. They kind of are. Well, no, there's no kind of they are. But I'm saying they, they're not aging like Dick Clark. It's a very dated reference.

Starting point is 00:29:42 And Bradley Beale, Bradley Beale already out. you know the CP thing he played better last year than he has this year like that's not giving them the I think a little bit of sort of mid-rotation boost that they they hoped he might mean like it's funny with the Lakers people tell all the Lakers are old they're not really just talking about LeBron right um like the Lakers are old in that LeBron is old and like smart I guess is getting older but he's not old no he's just getting more injury prone and he's at the back end of his prime, but he's not old. No.

Starting point is 00:30:18 So I think, and I especially think that with LeBron, it's a great way to use him, is to have him out on the break and, you know, catch go and do that because he is still one of the most effective players in the league on the break, whether as a passer, certainly, but as a finisher as well because while he does struggle, I think sometimes now to finish in traffic in the half court, he does not have that struggle in the open court. Like, nobody's getting his way. That is just a business decision that players still don't make against, against LeBron. So I think a better pace would be one of the things that I would hope they would try to generate in the absence of Aiden.

Starting point is 00:31:10 Part of you because the rebounding is not as good, but... Well, the rebound... Blue Ray 10 says the clippers are closer to Andy and Brian's age and they are to young NBA players. Hashtag sad but true. Not good. If you're looking for glass half full, even forced glass half full, upsides to DeAndre Aiton not being there,

Starting point is 00:31:36 there is going to be, I think, more natural mobility. if your bigs are Jackson and Maxie. Like there is, I think, going to be more of a natural uptempo with those two than Aiton, who I think run. I do think D'Andre actually runs the floor reasonably well, but it's not his thing. And D'Andre is not like an up and down the court style player. Again, he can run the floor, but it's not,

Starting point is 00:32:04 it's not his greatest asset with, you know, Jackson especially. but I think Maxie also, you're probably going to be a bit quicker. So that can be a good thing. And again, I would look to run this Clippers team. Like if you think the Lakers look slow at times, man, these guys look really slow. Now watch they'll come out and look crispy athletic and all that stuff. They might. And Ty Lou is actually trying to, in part, just to change the player guys.

Starting point is 00:32:36 He is trying to play the younger guys. little bit more. You know, the Lakers, this is a tale of two different vibe checks, by the way. I mean, the Lakers, some people are accusing them basically of functioning almost solely on vibes, given their shooting and defensive rankings and stuff like that. They're, you know, their, their clutch, you know, the stats on winning close games is really, really good, which tends sometimes to even out over the course of a season. So, well, maybe for, you know, over the, you know, while they have these couple games off, we'll talk about, you know,

Starting point is 00:33:09 which part do you buy 12 and 4 at face value or do you think perhaps there's some weakness in there? But the clippers, you know, they're trying everything. The vibe check over there is awful. Absolutely all. Nothing. They plant to the two trees can't fix,

Starting point is 00:33:31 but it really is good over there. I was just about to say, The season has been such a disaster on the court. It has overshadowed the whole aspiration, Kauai Balmer cap circumvention thing. Like we've completely stopped. I mean, I realize there's, you know, league investigation at this point. There's not stuff to talk about every single day. Pablo seems to be busy doing other investigations.

Starting point is 00:33:57 But like the basketball has been so bad. It's overshadowed, you know, what could end up one of the larger. scandals in recent sports history. Before we go real quick, just because I want to make sure it gets mentioned, I wanted to acknowledge the passing of Claire Rothman, who she was 97 years old. If you watched Winning Time, she was the character played by Gabby Hoffman on the show. And she ran a lot with, she was the president and the general manager of the forum when Jerry Bus first got involved, you know, owning the Lakers and Showtime.

Starting point is 00:34:36 And, you know, the NBA and sports changing with the explosion of Showtime, she was a real trailblazer when it comes to women in professional sports. And she was very important to that time. So I just thought it was worth mentioning. Locked on Liquors on YouTube is we can go hang out with over 37,000 subscribers to the channel. We, of course, will be back after the game against the Clippers to break it all down. We'll see you then.

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