Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Do the Lakers Have a True Long Term Plan to Build Around Luka Dončić?

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

How transformational has the Summer of Luka Dončić been? Not just for Luka himself, but for for the Lakers? And how they plan to approach the future? It's hard to argue that the Lakers haven't watched the best case scenario play out this offseason, insofar as Luka is concerned. New body, new contract (signed the first moment possible), recruiting efforts for the front office and a dominant performance in Eurobasket. So are the Lakers planning to aggressively build around Luka now (or at least at the first opportunity) or is the plan to be patient no matter what? For next summer, or even the summer of 2027? These are questions we discuss with Anthony Irwin, host of the Lakers Lounge, former host of this space, and Senior Lakers Insider at Clutchpoints. We cover a lot of key issues from the summer, diving deep into where we think the squad is heading from a personnel and team building standpoint, using someone like Rui Hachimura -- extension eligible -- as a great test case. HOSTS: Andy and Brian KamenetzkySEGMENT 1: The Summer of Luka!SEGMENT 2: What kind of team are they trying to build? SEGMENT 3: Is the plan to stay flexible? If so, why?  Listener SurveyWe’ve put together a survey to learn more about our listeners and make your favorite podcasts even better. Go tohttps://lockedonpodcasts.com/survey/ to get started. Everyone who completes a survey will be entered for a chance to win one of ten $100 Amazon gift cards.  Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!Monarch MoneyTake control of your finances with Monarch Money. Use code LOCKEDONNBA at monarchmoney.com/lockedonnba for 50% off your first yearFanDuelRight now, new customers can bet just FIVE dollars and if your bet wins—you’ll get THREE HUNDRED dollars in bonus bets to use across the app. Download the FanDuel app now by visiting FanDuel.comto get startedFANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Everyone, welcome to Locked-on Lakers for Monday. Brian Komeneski, Andy Komeneskin, and special guest, Anthony Irwin. We're breaking down Lucas Big Summer and talking about the Lakers in the West and more. All that coming up next. You are Locked on Lakers. Your daily Los Angeles Lakers podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Thanks to everybody for making Locked on Lakers first listen to every day, Monday through Friday,

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So totally good good sec. All right. Lots to cover here. And the biggest thing I want to start with here is like, it has been the summer of Luca. And we have not had a chance to discuss the summer of Luca. Everything, Anthony, from the hints of weight loss, the whispers. Wait, is that, is that a current picture?

What's that? It's like a blurry locknest monster, bigfoot kind of thing. And then the actual disclosure, like, oh, my God, look at a men's health. And then first day signs the extension with the Lakers on the first day that he's eligible. And then heads off to Europe and has basically been posting, you know, you don't have to round up much, triple doubles in a tournament where that doesn't happen. He's just putting up huge statistical numbers here. Andy and I have talked about it, but we haven't talked about it with you.

How are you feeling about Luca Dantrich and the Luca era in what we sort of feel like is the true beginning of it because last year was too choppy to really count. Yeah, it was like they had a soft opening of a restaurant last season. Now it's like the hard opening where you know, you can actually order from the whole menu. The menu includes centers. Yeah. And it doesn't include beer for Luca anyway. Like nothing stays in the kitchen like a little too long and like under the heat lamp and like everything's delivered.

Yes, chef. Getting it out. I remember we, we like stumbled upon a soft opening out here one day because we live in Austin and it's a big food scene. And we, there was this new restaurant that was getting ready to open up. I didn't know that it wasn't fully open yet. And I went to order something off of the menu and you're like, ah, sorry, we don't have that quite yet. And I was like, okay, well, can I have this? Shoot, sorry, sir.

We don't have that quite. I was like, hey, man, what can I eat? Like, you know, it's like talking to your kids. Like, you know, I have this and I don't want that. Okay, let's do this the other way. What do you want? Right. I can I?

I can produce that for it? Anyway, your thoughts about Luca. You know, it extends everything. The weight loss obviously is the most important thing because that hopefully will kind of transform what he looks like later in games and extend his career, hopefully, all that stuff. And, but also I think it needs to be pointed out. You mentioned it. signed his extension, first opportunity that he could, zero drama there whatsoever. In the run-up to it,

there wasn't a single report. I didn't hear from a single person who had any doubt whatsoever that Luka wasn't going to sign that thing and that he wasn't going to sign it as soon as you possibly could. Remember, there was that Jordan tour that he was doing that Jordan brand tour. And you could actually pencil out, okay, so he's going to get back to L.A. from Chicago on the day before he can walk in to the offices. He can sign the thing the next day. And he has an event in LA, the day after that where he could celebrate that thing. You could completely outline what that was going to look like. And then on top of it, he's active in getting D'Andre Aiton, bringing him over on a buyout. He's active and he's talking to Marcus Smart. The smart thing really reminded me of the things

Kobe used to do, where if it was a player who Kobe really thought competed well against him, right. Matt Barnes famously puts that ball in his face and then winds up a Laker, a season or two later. Smart, I guess there were like three players that he's guarded the most of. One is LeBron. One's another guy. And then the other one is Luca. So they've gone at it a ton. Luca didn't have any prior relationship with this guy, but he hops on the call and he talks to smart about the things that he is getting ready to do this off season. He's talking to smart about the things that smart might need to do and what that role would look like and about their prior battles and stuff. And smart winds up a Laker. And I think, you know, when you look at this offseason,

and I think it's been perfectly fine, I wouldn't say it's blown me away, but I would also say that it's been very successful given the things that they have to work with and what they haven't had to move and the options that they still have. Luke has been a big part of that. You know, Luke has been a big part of that solid off, off season. for a second, though. Like, what were you expecting? Like, because I, Andy and I have both been, I think, pretty complimentary over about the work that

Polinka has done, mostly because I think he's significantly improved the team without having to give up anything but one rotation player. And it's done it. I think they've gotten a little lucky that the, the offseason produced more buyout guys because of this, you know, the shakeout of the new CBA and all these other things. And I think anybody really expected. I don't think this is how Rob Polink was planning on making his splashes. But I think they've done as well as they really reasonably could have.

Were you expecting more? I think there's a world where they gain access to their full mid-level exception by way of trading Maxi Kleva or trading one of these other guys. Gabe Vincent comes to mind as well. And they're able to keep Dorian and sign the buyout guys that they were able to sign. I know that's kind of nitpicking and all listeners of Lockdown Lakers will say, oh, yep, that's right. That's the, don't miss that.

There's a guy. But, but like, you know, I think if I had my realistic qualms, I would have liked to have been able to keep Dorian. there was also the noise about some of the conversations that Rob was having about Dorian on his way out with some of the teams that Dorian was potentially signing with. That might be agent CYA stuff, but at the end of the day, it is out there. So, yeah, I just, I think I would give it a good solid B, you know, and I would, I would give it a solid B. And I would say that it also has the opportunity over the course of the entire season in terms of, of the job that Rob has done, he can elevate it very easily to an A or an A plus because he still has that first round pick in his back pocket. That actually, and probably when we get back from the

break, is something I want to ask you about because whether we're talking about Laker fans or people that cover the team, including you, I've heard Yovan Buha talk about it on Buhas block, the idea of the Lakers going all in this season and really going all in, is code for use that one first round pick that they have at their disposal. And when we get back, I want to talk about what that could potentially mean, but also what it doesn't mean. Because I think they do need to be smart about the way they do it. And also smart about that we all need to be smart and, I guess,

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Use the code locked on NBA at Monarchmoney.com for 50% off your first year. That's monarchmoney.com code locked on NBA for half off your first year. So that question, Anthony, regarding the use of the first round pick going all in, have you either heard about or based on guys who have moved this off season? do you get a sense that there's something the Lakers could have slash should have done up to this point using that first round pick? Because I will just say, in our everydayers know this, I don't want them to use it in a performative way where it just feels like they're trying to signal we are all in. Like you've got to be smart about this, particularly when you've got a star like Luca who's just now entering his prime and you're trying to plan a long term future. obviously they've got a good team now so you don't want to waste what you potentially have,

but you can't make moves that don't exist. So what do you think is out there that they could do or I guess theoretically should have done with that pick? So the only thing that really comes to mind was all of the noise that I heard about Wiggins. And now there's basically two versions of the story that I kind of collected over the course of the summer. And it just kind of depends on who you're listening to. Some people will say that Miami was trying to shed Wigan's salary because they're also making a play at the summer of Janus or the summer of Yokic or whatever. And they like the idea of not only shedding his salary,

but also sending his money to the Lakers who are also a threat for those guys. So in that sense, the people who kind of talk about it that way would argue that the didn't have to give up the first round pick that Miami was willing to do that, was willing to trade Wiggins for basically Rui and whatever contracts you needed to give up beyond Rui. They also like Gabe is what I've heard pretty consistently over the, you know, they're like the only team in the NBA, but they like Gabe. So like it would have been Rui and Gabe and, say, Dalton for Wiggins.

and if you're believing that side of the story, I would have done that. I would have pulled the trigger on that. Now, the other version of the story is that the Lakers in Miami were talking, and this was the one that I heard more directly, but the Lakers in Miami were talking, and that Miami, the notion of planning for Janus isn't at necessarily the forefront of their minds

and at the forefront of the Lakers' minds, but they don't want to give up Wiggins without getting a starter level player and a first round pick. And that was where the Lakers kind of drew their line in the sand. And if that is the side of the story that you're believing, I also wouldn't give up Rui and a first round pick for Wiggins. So it just kind of depends on where reality sits between those two ends of the spectrum. That's probably the best example of it.

One of the things that I've heard pretty consistently over the course of the summer, and it's been consistent over the last few years since they've flattened lottery odds and since they've added the play-in tournament is you have a lot more teams who can realistically say, and owners specifically who can realistically go to their front office and say, what are the chances that you can get me a play-in game's revenue? Or if we win that play-in game, can you get that. me into the first round and I can get some playoff revenue. And during the summer, you know, that there are way fewer teams that go into the season

with tanking in mind as that is the case. And then on top of it, you have a team like Utah that went into last season with tanking in mind. They very clearly planted their flag. And they didn't, they moved way down, right? They got down to the fifth pick. And so with the flattening of the lottery odds, making it less likely that you're that your tanking is actually going to result in the type of pick that you're looking for.

And the flattening of the playoff odds, you have a lot fewer teams that are looking to sell during the summer. So basically what the Lakers and what all these potential buyers have to wait for is for the start of the season and reality to hit those teams in the forehead and say like, yeah, no, you're probably not getting play in or playoff revenue. Now is the time to maybe think about moving those guys. and that's why you see a guy like Dory in last season. That summer, his price was first rounder plus some,

and then he finally went for a combination of second round draft capital when DeAngelo Russell's expiring. And I think that's essentially what we're going to see here going into the summer, where you have a caliber of player if you really want to pay up now, and then that price will drop over the course of the summer, or over the course of the season, and I think that's what Rob is kind of waiting for. The question, Andy, he asks that we always ask,

who was like, what did they say no to? It's really hard to know whether they're, you know, being too conservative or not or whatever, keeping their powder dry for the big free agent summer of 27, whatever you want, however you want to call it. I am with you, Anthony. If it didn't cost a first rounder, I think Wiggins would have filled a massive hole in this roster. It would have been a great deal. Trading Rui as well as Rui has played opens things up in a way that allows LeBron to slot. to an easier position like it makes so much sense but then when you start to add the sweetener

less so yeah it just becomes a big the next year is going to be so interesting to see what happens around the league and whether the lakers are really involved in that because they didn't have a lot of stuff to work with this off season and now they have a little bit more and they're going to have a little bit more draft capital to work with and they're going to have a little bit more flexibility because certain guys, whether they're traded or not, are going to come off the books. But the opposite of that is, too,

are they going to actually be able to use any expiring contracts before the deadline? Will they be willing to make trades with expiring contracts that bring money back that's committed to longer than a couple of years? And then a side note to some of that is, I don't actually think expiring contracts have that much value around the league, not nearly as much as they used to. But I just want to see if they will spend into next year's cap space in a meaningful way when opportunities present themselves.

Or, you know, the Rob Polenka thing where you wait for the perfect opportunity to come along before you do it. You pass up the good for the perfect. How much are you proactively looking around if you're Rob? Like this is, again, something we can talk about after the break. there is a perception that the Lakers, first and foremost, are thinking about the Janus or the Yokic or Superstar X that they can put around Luca. And to some degree, fine, as much as, you know, the Star Effort jokes about the Lakers write themselves and have for decades, the truth is, every franchise around the league wants

superstars, if they can get them, there's a reason because they're superstars. But is there more to their vision moving forward with Luca other than just superstar X that we want to team up with them? Because again, that's what everybody would do if they had the opportunity. So let's get into that coming up next. So to that point, Anthony, do you get any sense from the people that you talk to, that they have any clear vision of how they would look to build around Luca, like a foundation around him,

that does not involve essentially star effery, like, or as much star effery as they can pull off. Well, what if you're, if you're star effing, that takes up a giant amount of cap space. So what can you feasibly and realistically do in terms of planning when you're like, all right, I got to set aside $70 million.

for Bionis or Yokic, you know, so that makes it really kind of tricky. I've found it really interesting. I haven't heard a peep about negotiations between the Lakers and Rui about an extension. The Lakers played hardball with LeBron bleeping James, you know, as far as, you know, he wound up opting in to the second year of his contract because there was concern on Clutch's part that they were not going to get the type of deal, the one in one with a no-true. trade clause that he just had a second ago, that the Lakers want that, that flexibility. Austin's next deal, I think, is a lot less, you know, they would have given him an extension

if they could, but he's not going to sign for $22 million a year or whatever, $24 million. That's way below market value. What do you think is market value will be, just because that's something that we've tried to prepare our audience for maybe hearing it from a different voice might help convince them if nothing else that we're not, uh, fools. I would say it's like between 32 and 35, I would say the way that, um, like 33 and a half. In there, in there.

33.75, um, to be precise. But, but, but yeah, I would be more or less. Yeah, I would say that it's, you know, it's in that same realm with Tyler Hero's contract. Like Tyler Hero, he signed a, uh, what is it? Like a four year, 120, million dollar contract or or something like that. And I think by the time that contract ends because of the way that it raises, I think Austin's next contract will basically start where Heroes contract ends. It'll be in that same kind of market, which is, you know, 30 something million bucks. You'll have Yokic making his new contract will kick in, right? So he'll be making north of 50 or something like that. And then you have Janus on his next big contract as well. So,

or I don't know, I don't even know why we mentioned Yoko Chir. I don't think he's going anywhere, but whatever. But the, I guess my thing is, and Brian, I think you asked the $100 million question,

can you feasibly build around Luca without spending into next season? Because all the good players are on contracts that extend into next season. That's usually how that goes. Here's my question. Andy and I actually did most of a show on this a week or two ago. And I've heard you talk about Rui and the concept of an extension.

Let's just say for the sake of argument, because this to me is like the perfect litmus test. Rui is just good enough that he's worth having this discussion, but not good enough that it's a no-brainer. Right. Which makes him really interesting. I think Rui is a perfect litmus test for this. So like, let's say for argument, because I actually don't think Rui's street value, next year goes up much beyond the contract he's making now. He make a little bit more.

If he has a season like last year, I think he makes a little bit more, but Rui doesn't become a $40 million player, 35. He's comfortably in that probably around 20. 18, 20 million, which is close to what he's making now. Let's say the Lakers could get him at 3 and 56. So under 20 million a year,

Ruey said, you know, and his agents walk into Rob's office and said, you give us this now. We'll do it three for 36 or whatever I just said. Three for 50s. And a team option for a fourth year at the same number. Do the Lakers give it to them? No. That to me is the evidence that says that this talk around flexibility for next year

and the year following is not just smoke. Because if you want players that are valuable, have tradable, you know, if you believe that Rui is a good player and will perform at the same level, he's still in his 20s, he's still up and coming, he's been become a very valuable three-point shooter, you know, all that, all that stuff. You should have confidence that you can trade Rui Hachamura

on a good contract for stuff. Yeah. And they, I don't think they would, I agree with you. I do not think they would do that because they want the flexibility. And that tells me that they are much more concerned about like, the question I asked earlier,

would they make trades that require them to bring money in that eats into that flexibility? I think maybe, but like I think they are inclined not to. I think they, so one of my kind of constant criticism, of this front office is that they're very reactive, more than proactive. I don't really think they have as much of a vision of a path forward as I would kind of like for them to have rather than they'll make a mistake.

And they're like, well, we can't make that mistake again. And the version of this or an example of that is with Vanderbilt's extension, where they gave them that extension. And they're like, and now it's not a contract that any team wants, especially not without seeing him play for his next season. And they're sick of having these conversations with these teams about players like Vanderbilt, about players like, you know,

Russ back in the day and Gabe Vincent and Maxi Kleba. And they're sick of having these conversations with these teams where it's like, okay, so here's what you're going to have to pay us to get off of that contract. And then here's what you're going to have to pay us to get the good player that you're looking for. And I think because of that, they would much rather have Rui on an expiring where it's like that even even if I think if you extend him at the 356 number that you're talking about or I think you'll probably see more like two year

deals. I actually think Austin's probably going to sign for like a two and one deal coming up as well. Luca just signed even knock it down a year at the same number with an option year or something. I still don't think they would do it. Yeah, I think you're right. And and but and I think that's where I think that's being overly reactive to prior contracts not working out and not proactive enough to make sure that your commodities remain valuable and and or movable, you know, because the other thing too is, let's say, let's say the Lakers, you know, they decide that they trade, they want to trade Austin. They start having that conversation with teams. Teams are going to be reluctant to trade for Austin because they cannot extend him.

He will not sign an extension. And that makes him that much less valuable, which hurts the return that you're looking for because if you trade Austin, you know, you need to get a really good player back because Austin is a really good player. And so, like, they have all of these kind of unwritten rules that are reactive to prior mistakes. And I think it just kind of twist them into a pretzel that makes it really difficult to do anything. Sorry, I'll let you jump in a second. But like that to me was what was so shocking about the Williams trade. is that it was this like holy bleep like big swing giant risk move for a team that like I think they're probably better off for not having made it but like part it was partially like

wow we're really making Luca happy here like wow we're we're just like on this high of getting like we are in business here move and we'll see what happens but that was a huge risk not just for what you give up and connect when he's still had a little bit more value and that pick. But also, you have to sign Williams at that point. And you are making a commitment to invest in Mark Williams, which is a terrifying prospect. And I think they're ultimately better for not having to do it.

But it was like it was the exact opposite of what you're talking about, which is a risk-averse organization that's not making those kinds of swings because good Lord, it went wrong with Russell Westbrook. Yeah. Well, yeah, so I don't want to get into conspiracy theories here or whatever, but like, you know, Harrison is is pretty adamant that they made that trade with the notion of rescinding it because they knew his medicals weren't great. But I'm not going to go down that path. I will say. Let me, I'll just say really quick. If they did do that, that is a fireable offense. Because you are just, I, for what it's worth, I don't think that's what happened because. God, they got lucky. And they, they, they feel. I think it is very, I think it's easy to believe in all honesty, like that the Lakers saw something not just in Mark Williams's medicals that they were not anticipating. They may have seen something that Charlotte wasn't even aware of because they're doing the type of dives into these medicals that Charlotte's not doing on a day in, day out basis.

And who else doesn't want to, who else agrees with you? Charlotte, because they turned around and traded him right. afterwards. But if Harrison's theory, which again, I don't think is actually the case, Brian and I have talked about this many times because that was circular. Harrison was not the only ones with that thought. It's fun for me to joke about too. Oh, it's one under pretty. I mean, that's right up Harrison's alley. But it's it's such bad business. And if you're Rob Polinka, who I think we would all agree does not have a reputation as the most well-like GM exec around the league.

Doing stuff like that, when you're already seen as a guy that maybe other teams don't want to work with that much, that's just God-awful business. I don't, I'm going to give Rob enough credit and the Lakers enough credit that it was just they saw stuff they didn't like. Yeah, and I'm mostly right there with you.

I think Charlotte's reaction to it is kind of interesting because they were like livid that, would do that, but they also have to react that way, right? So either way. But my, I mean, they put out a statement saying that they were excited to have Mark Williams back and then they traded it like four months later. So they said they were excited at him back. Not excited to keep them. I don't think anybody has ever said like Charlotte Hornets, the stable organization that is the Charlotte Hornets. Like we can't really base much analysis off of them. So, but I would say though is that the, uh, the thing that that, that, that, um,

I always think about with Rob is that he was one of the more popular agents out there with his clients, with his people. And people that he works for absolutely sing his praises. For a short little period there, I was pretty friendly with Jay Moore. Jeannie's now a husband. And he would talk about Rob, and he called him, I'll never forget it. He called him a beautiful, beautiful man. and he's, you know, one...

He's kind of hot, let's be honest. Not, yeah, that's that leather jacket. But like the, like 99th percentile human being... Any objective measure, good-looking, not. Handsomeness has never been the problem. Yeah. When you're cut, when the joke is, you look like Roblo.

Roblo. I mean, I've never been considered Roblo. So, so, so, but like the, you know, Kobe always saying Rob's praises. Hardin thought very highly. of Rob Polinka and he is very, very, very good at managing upwards and and working for the people that he works for. And, and I think, you know, now he kind of looks at himself like there was that clip of, of the guys at the Backstreet Boys concert. And Rob has his arm around Luca as they're taking in this concert. He had just signed his new contract. And it was like, it was so perfectly

agentie. You know, it would say, he's like, look at everything that we've accomplished. Look at this, you know. And, and, and I just don't think Rob ever stops being an agent. 100% knew when that photo was being taken, too. Yeah, right. He just happened to match. He had a guy on stage.

And as soon as we get to this point in the show, I'm going to put my arm around Luca. Yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't a cold play concert. It wasn't that reaction, right? So, but. So it was like, I don't know, I just think that Rob is always going to function as an agent with his superstar. And he was like that with LeBron until the Rustrade.

And then he is like that now with Luca. And I do think that if Luca and Bill Duffy, if they approached Rob and said, hey, there's this player out there. We think he would help. And he, you know, yes, he has a contract that extends. beyond this season, but this guy, we really, really think would help. I think then they would maybe make that move. I think they still have a very productive relationship with those guys right now. And then we'll see, you know, if that doesn't go well,

will we see a repeat of the rest thing where that really kind of began the erosion between the Lakers and clutch. So I haven't completely shut my mind off of or off to the notion of the Lakers spending into next season, it just kind of depends on the right player and it depends on the person asking for that player. Yeah, I think it's not so much that they wouldn't do it. It's just, it would have to be the sort of thing that it's just so obviously the right answer. And that is very rarely the opportunity, except when Nico Harrison wants to give you Luca Dachian. I mean, it just, it does happen to the Lakers an awful lot. So maybe that's why they think that's

normal. Locked on YouTube. Thank you so much for joining us. go check out the Lakers Lounge, go read his stuff. Listen to Lakers talk, too, on 710 ESPN Tuesday night, because at 730 Pacific, 930 Anthony Texas time, Anthony's going to be joining me on that program as well. I was going to actually say that, but Andy wanted to make sure to get his own plug in, which I respect.

I forgot to mention it on my show. I'm sorry, Andy. I'll make sure to say it because I'm doing a live show tomorrow during the day, so I'll make sure to tell people that I'm going on. Awesome, man. Awesome. All right. So thank you again to Anthony.

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