Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Dorian Finney-Smith Undergoes Ankle Surgery, Plus... a Lonzo Ball-Lakers Return?

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, everyone, welcome to Lockdown Lakers for Friday. Brian Komeneski, Andy Kaminetsky, Dorian Finney Smith, has ankle surgery, and is Lonzo Ball set for a return to the Lakers? That's next. You are Locked on Lakers. Your daily Los Angeles Lakers podcast, part of the Lockedon Podcast Network, your team every day. Thanks to everybody for making Locked on Lakers.

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Starting point is 00:00:46 watching the channel leaving questions leaving comments talking to us talking to each other and I would say Andy that many of them are intrigued at the idea of a certain former Laker with a certain high profile father

Starting point is 00:01:02 potentially making his way back to Los Angeles this summer. We'll get to that in a moment. But first, some housekeeping news for the Lakers, Doreen Phiney Smith, who has a $15 million player option that he can pick up for next season or perhaps opt out

Starting point is 00:01:21 and maybe try to extend with the Lakers. He had ankle surgery. It was announced on Thursday and will be on the shelf for a little bit, but is expected to be ready for training camp. Yeah, this from Dave McMeneman, ESPN report, as you said, underwent surgery on the left ankle,

Starting point is 00:01:42 expected to be at training camp, quote, the procedure will allow the 32-year-old Finney Smith's to play pain-free after cleaning up a lingering ankle injury that he fought to play through the past several seasons. Finney Smith missed eight games with what the Lakers called left ankle injury management after being traded to the Lakers from Brooklyn Nets. then as you mentioned, the report gets into the different options for DFS, including, by the way. I was not even aware of some of the particulars in terms of what is at least legally through the CBA possible for DFS. All these options laid out by Bobby Marks. After the first day of the NBA finals, until ends until June 28th, the Lakers can offer Finney Smith a three-year extension.

Starting point is 00:02:31 worth $54 million from June 29th to June 30th. LA can offer him a four-year extension worth 90.2 with his player option being replaced by a new salary. If Finney Smith opted in the max he could sign with the Lakers would be a four-year deal worth 96.5 million, assuming he signs after July 6th when the free agent moratorium is lifted. I am willing to go out on a limb and predict that DFS's, next season with the Lakers, whether he opts into the 15.4, whether he is playing on part

Starting point is 00:03:09 of a contract that is newly extended, whatever, it is not going to be worth four years, $96.5 billion. Although I will say, if it's not going to happen, if it's helpful to the Lakers, I am sure he is willing to wait past the moratorium. Yes. If it helps make this happen, he'll sit quietly and wait. Yeah, it's interesting to like what DFS does guys like him. Like we are in such strange territory in terms of players trying to understand what the right thing to do vis-a-vis the CBA is and what markets are going to look like and how teams are going to spend and all that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 00:03:53 And there's certainly a school of thought that says the middle class in the NBA is going to get squeezed a little bit, players like DFS. And so I could certainly see a world where he opts into his $15 million player option. Because the other thing that's, I think, somewhat surprising for fans who may not just may not be as clued into some of these things was the part where, you know, DFS is 32. Like he is not a young player. He's not a player in his prime. And so if he doesn't think the Lakers are going to offer him, you know, I don't know, a three-year deal at. 35 million. Something that kind of sets himself up to play three or four more years and see what happens.

Starting point is 00:04:37 It wouldn't shock me if he opted in. And that actually wouldn't be a bad thing for the Lakers. It's just one more contract that they can line up to expire potentially after next season. Then in the meantime, too, regardless of what happens with DFS with a new contract and stuff, the fact that he's getting this ankle surgery seems like a really, good thing in terms of the upcoming season. Everyone was aware that DFS had been dealing with that ankle injury that had been acting up. It was originally told to us when he was in Brooklyn, but as it turns out through Dave McMedman's reporting, this is something that has actually been bothering him

Starting point is 00:05:17 off and on for a few seasons now. And we talked about during the playoffs, DFS was not nearly as effective as he needed to be. If you look up his numbers, in the playoffs, 6.2 points per game, basically the lowest of his playoff career, 5.8 field goal attempts per game. It is essentially the lowest of his career and easily the lowest per 36. Like it's not even close. His field goal percentage from behind the arc, a little under 37%, basically the lowest of his career in the playoffs, 41% from the field, about middle of the pack, lowest rebounding numbers for his playoff career per 36. It was not a great playoffs for DFS and that is likely the byproduct of having played so many minutes for so many fairly seasons on that bad ankle. Well, he's right. He was not

Starting point is 00:06:13 healthy when they acquired it. Right. Exactly. So the idea that DFS is getting what is being described as a cleanup surgery and I recognize that no surgery feels minor to the person that's undergoing it, but in the grand scheme of surgeries, this does not sound like a particularly complicated one or particularly scary one. This seems like something that might actually help DFS out a lot for next season, particularly, as we noted, as he ages, this type of stuff that he used to be able to play on more successfully. It's probably just getting a lot harder now. Yeah, I mean, who knows if it's the same?

Starting point is 00:06:57 level of pain management, if it feels the same way. But yeah, I mean, as you get older, you know, it just, it can be harder and harder and harder and harder, you know, robs you a little bit more of, of some bounce of, you know, like, CMEBA, man, it does not take a significant change for a player like DFS to suddenly look a lot more ordinary. I don't think he had a bad season with the Lakers, but it had some ups and down. You did not have a great postseason. He had a bad post season.

Starting point is 00:07:25 As the season went along, though, with the exception. of a couple games. Like, you know, there was, there was the game where he came off the bench against Houston. I want to say either late March, early April, him and Gabe Vincent 20 points off the bench each and like really saved the Lakers in that game. He had like, he had some games like that. And overall, it was quiet. It wasn't, yeah. And but he started looking slower, I thought, as the season went along, more labored. Even if, even in games where he played well, he looked like he was laboring more. And, you know, I think again, he wasn't even, he wasn't healthy when they acquired it. He was playing a lot of minutes and the Lakers were obviously in the thick of things.

Starting point is 00:08:02 And DFS is just, that's part of, you know, one of the reasons teams like him so much and teammates like him so much is he's a guy who's going to get out and play and give you every minute that he possibly can, whether it is, you know, apparently in his best interest from a health standpoint or not. But like, you know, as I said, like, he's not in a, he's good player, he's good two-way player and, you know, a nice two-way wing, but he's not so elite athletes. athletically that if you take 5% or this injury, you know, makes him 7% slower, a little bit quick. And the NBA, that is the difference between being a pretty high-end defender and a pretty ordinary one at times. And so it's just, it is an indication of why the Lakers were in such dire straits when they got to the playoffs last year because they really didn't have reinforced. Like it was, you know, Luca got sick and, you know, DFS is not healthy and Reeves has the bad toe and there's just nothing. LeBron got hurt during, was it game five? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:10 There was no second layer of support from the bench. You know, I did TV, Spectrum Sportsnet, the Lakers TV station. I did that Thursday afternoon. Like, we talked about the bench. Like 16th out of the 16 playoff teams and it's only because there weren't 17. And that is something that the Lakers have to figure out how to fix. Should J.J. Reddick be insulted? And is Lonzo Ball?

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Starting point is 00:11:04 That's drinkollipop.com slash locked on NBA. So get the Lonzo here in a second. It is interesting. Sam Amick has reported. We made the joke, Andy, on Wednesday. Like at what point do you get insulted if you are an NBA head coach who has not been contacted by the New York Knicks where your organization is where they are seeking permission to speak to you?

Starting point is 00:11:33 Apparently, JJ Redick is on the list of not interested from the, The Knicks. They have not been via Sam Amick of the athletic. The Lakers have not been contacted by the Knicks asking for permission to speak to head coach, JJ Reddick. Well, if it makes Reddick feel any better, he is in pretty prestigious company, at least so far, it should be clear. So far in terms of who has not been reached out to from Sam Amick's report, quote, I spent part of Wednesday evening trying to figure out which other current head coach is the Knicks might have attempted to contact and while there were no new names revealed, it's worth sharing that league sources say the Knicks did not request permission to speak to this high-profile coaching crew.

Starting point is 00:12:18 The Pacers, Rick Carlisle, he's a little busy. The lawyer Steve Kerr, the Bucks, Doc Rivers, the Clippers, Tyloo and the Lakers, JJ Redick. I do love that the Knicks, as delusional as they have seemed in this entire Fubar, process has at least had the grounded, I don't know, restraint to not ask for permission to speak to Rick Carlisle while he is coaching in the finals. I mean, there are a lot of gaps. Who says it's a bleep show over there in New York? I guess, but I mean, there's a lot of time between these games. I mean, the NBA seems to be in no hurry to bust through the finals. I mean, they do have,

Starting point is 00:12:59 Carlisle's got time. They're up to one. Also, Sam did not confirm whether or not confirm or deny, I guess. nothing either way, whether or not the Nix did attempt to get permission to talk with Mark Degnell with the Thunder. We just know that they didn't go to Rick Carlisle. I'm looking forward to the fascinating conclusion of this story. It is very clear that teams are in the, very much in the market of embarrassing Nix management right now. So I, one of the more. feel good stories of last season, not just necessarily based on how he played.

Starting point is 00:13:43 But as much that he played was the return of Lonzo Ball to action with the Bulls after at least a couple seasons of essentially not playing at all. And there's knee problems that were expected to potentially end his career. He comes back and he plays. And it wasn't an injury-free season. He actually had some wrist issues and stuff as well. The Bulls were obviously incredibly careful with him. But he was out on the floor and played pretty well for Chicago when he played.

Starting point is 00:14:21 Yeah, I talked with Hayes, the co-host of Locked on Bulls, during a recent episode of my ESPN LA 710 radio show Lakers talk, which comes on every week. and obviously do a lot of deep dives in the Lakers. And because I had Hay, we were actually really talking about the NBA finals because Hayes is also one of the many hosts of lockdown NBA as part of the network's national coverage. But I had been curious because Lanzo's name, I've heard it come up before.

Starting point is 00:14:53 We even saw that Yovon Buha from the Athletic in a recent mailbag said that he thought that the Lakers would be, interested in in Lonzo quote it's just a matter of what his price would be and what you have to factor in the health and the history and just you can't pencil him in for 60 games so whatever you're giving up for him there has to be some level of discount so you're factoring in this dude might just play 40 to 50 games he's a guy you have to load manage like how can we load management still get to get him to April in one piece I talked to Hayes about the way he played and as you

Starting point is 00:15:27 mentioned Brian the health issues are still there and Lonzo does not look fully like himself yet. But to your point, there were times where he looked very good. And specifically, I asked Hayes if he thought Lonzo could be a good fit alongside Luca and specifically supplementing some of the things that you would want on a team with Luca, whether you're talking about defense, whether you're the secondary ball handling, stuff like that. And he said absolutely. He actually thought Lonzo could be a very good fit. But there is is the question of the health. And then there's the question of,

Starting point is 00:16:05 how do you actually make a deal with the Bulls work on this? Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, too. It's like, what do you give up? I mean, I think they signed him to an extension for, I want to say, two years, $20 million. Yeah. And the second year is a team option. Right.

Starting point is 00:16:23 And so, like, you could trade, you know, Gabe Vincent and something like, you can make it work. But it's got to be something that makes sense for, for Chicago. as well. I just, I think like this to me is one of those interesting equations because it's like he he didn't shoot the ball particularly well last season. He was, you know, in the 30s from the field. I think he was about 33% from three point range, 34% from three point range, 36% from the field. But while he was, you know, he came into the league with the Lakers and outside shooting was a problem, him. Before he got hurt, hurt, you know, as opposed to just the normal amount of hurt that Lonzo always was,

Starting point is 00:17:10 he had actually started to become a much more reliable three-point shooter. He shot in his, in 21, 22, he was up to 42% on 10 a game, 10 and a half a game. The year before that, he shot 38% on 12.5 three-pointers a game. So I'm sorry, that's per 100. I was going to say, wait, what? Sorry, that's per 100 processions. In reality, seven and a half. Like Steph doesn't even take that many. No, no, no. Sorry, seven and a half.

Starting point is 00:17:38 Seven and a half real and then eight and a half year before that. Okay. So, but still, that's volume. That's no real volume. Oh, it is. Absolutely. It's not 11. It's volume. But you remember, too, like those, those were seasons when he was playing

Starting point is 00:17:51 well over 30 minutes a game when he was healthy enough to play. So, you know, as a passer, he is still, you know, the court vision is still incredibly impressive. And he still is a strong defender. So like in a vacuum, would Lonzo make your team better? Yeah, he would help the Lakers. But how do you get him without giving up either too many players or whatever?

Starting point is 00:18:19 And like it's another example of a player we talked about it like Brooke Lopez or Stephen Adams or whatever. Like they're good and they solve some problems, but they sort of create others at the same time. So I would be for it. Like, would you swap out? Let's just say you could do it and Chicago was interested for some reason. Would you swap Gabe for him, Gabe for Lonzo?

Starting point is 00:18:42 I would seriously consider it because I think if you can keep, if you can keep Lonzo on the court, and that is to be clear, a big if, like a huge if, I think the upside with Lonzo is a lot better than the upside with Gabe. Like Gabe's floor may be better just in the sense that he's more reliable. to stay on the court or at least based on last season. I know his first season with the Lakers, he was hurt a lot. But for the majority of Gabe's career, he's been able to stay on the floor more than Lanzo. Right. So in that sense, his floor is probably higher.

Starting point is 00:19:17 But there's no question the upside and ceiling is better with Lanzo. Right. Six, six, six, six, longer reach. You know, Gabe's a good defender, but, you know, Lanzo provides something different. That said, like, if you ever needed, you had two weeks where you needed. your backup point guard to start for you, that could be a challenge for Lonzo because I don't think he's going to be in a position where he's going to be able to play back to backs next year. I don't think he's going to be a position where you can ask him to play 30 minutes a

Starting point is 00:19:46 night for a two-week stretch. I think he's going to be, it seems at least, maybe you heard differently, but it seems at least he's going to be kind of capped in that 25 minutes in night, careful to get him through a season space for a little while long. at the least. I honestly have no idea. I mean, I miss not even all seasons. No, I look, I'm not even questioning the veracity of what you think could be the case. I'm simply saying so people understand I have no idea. And I don't know either. I'm not this is not well the reason I the reason I truly don't know outside of just not knowing from an informational standpoint is what would need to be done with Lonzo. Once he's been back on the court and has had an entire off season not

Starting point is 00:20:37 playing, I don't know how much, how much any restrictions would continue. Once he's, once he's been back on the court and has had that type of time off, like I just genuinely. But one thing I would expect, and we'll go to break after this, I would expect him to be better next year. I would, you know, yeah, you have a full off season. You trust the stuff a little more. You're making things stronger, whatever. The shooting that was so bad last year, I would expect to get closer to his career levels. When we get back, though, I did a little bit of thinking about how the Lakers would try to get Lanzo and to your point, what's in it for Chicago. And it speaks to, I think this could be a tricky trade, but also speaks to how some of the ghosts of trades passed are now

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Starting point is 00:22:28 Make every moment more with Fandle officials. sports betting partner of the NBA. So I started thinking about, Brian, like, how could the Lakers actually obtain Lanzo ball? Because for all the reasons we talked about before, you're not including a first to get Lonzo. And I would not include Dalton Connect? I mean, I maybe would I include a first if I was Oklahoma City and I had 80 of them? Sure.

Starting point is 00:22:59 I might consider it, but not when you only have one that you. Right. Exactly. Well, that's the point. from the Lakers perspective, they have one pick that for the time being they can use in a trade. You're not going to use that on Lanzo. I would not include Dalton Connect in a trade for Lanzo. So would a second round pick, and when I say a second round pick,

Starting point is 00:23:24 I mean it literally because that's also the only second rounders the Lakers have unless maybe they buy some and use that to try to attach to Gabe or Maxi Claiba, someone like that. Like, that's basically all they have. Like I was thinking maybe even say you offer Maxi Claibah and Shake Milton. And then the Lakers take back Lonzo and Julian Phillips, a young small Ford that the Bulls have. And the Bulls could cut, shake, save a couple million bucks maybe. But Phillips is a young guy.

Starting point is 00:24:01 He played 15 minutes a game. I can't picture them wanting to do that. And then the Lakers have nothing else to offer unless the Bulls just really want Gabe or Maxi or I guess Vando as actual players. So like the Lakers have nothing else. I would certainly offer Jared Vanderbilt. But you know what I'm saying? Like unless they want them as players, there's nothing they have to offer that would be reasonable to offer in the first place. So then you start thinking about a three team trade or something.

Starting point is 00:24:30 But like this is a very small stakes three team deal. You're putting in a lot of work here for my. And by the way, I made the joke about I would offer Vando. And really what I'm getting at there is more the, if you have an opportunity to get away from that contract without having to attach stuff to it, which is the perception, I think, that a lot of people have that like the Lakers really want to trade Jared Vanderbilt, either have to take an unappealing contract in return or add some sort of sweetener to it. I wasn't really evaluating that. Like, even where the Lakers are, like if you trade Vanderbilt, you're creating a hole that needs to be filled. Now, it's on one side of the ball and we've seen the flaws that Vanderbilt has, but he's still an important part of the rotation that if you trade him, you need to have the means to replace. I'm just throwing out names that match.

Starting point is 00:25:27 I know. I'm just, I kind of made the flippant comment about it. And I would, I guess I would think about it, you know, just for another reason than the, the, the duration of the contracts. And I think you can find given what we sort of Vanderbilt's not going to become a an offensive like he is what he is. And what he is is useful, but problematic and limited in certain ways. And I think you can probably find a player who can do some of or most even of what he does. But it even any player they trade in the rotation has to be replaced because definitionally this was a team low on depth. And so if you're trading any part of that depth, it's hard for the players, two for ones or three for twos.

Starting point is 00:26:16 Like you have to have a plan to replenish anything you get rid of. And then if nothing else, like thinking about the scenarios to try to get Lonzo. And like I said, unless the Bulls would just take the second round. pick and that's it, in which case I would do that. If nothing else, this got me thinking about the damage that's been done from the first round picks and second round picks that the Lakers have often used as sweeteners to help them unwind mistakes like both ends of the Russell Westbrook deal or picks that they, second rounders that they attach to send out Mark Casal to send out Javail McGee, a pick attached to Jalen Hood-Shafino as part of the Luca deal,

Starting point is 00:27:01 because JHS on his own was not enticing enough to Utah, even as a rebuilding team, that just getting a crack at JHS would be enough. Like Kendrick Nunn, yes, the trade for Rui, obviously, I think the Lakers won that trade. It was a good trade for the Lakers, but it was unwinding. the mistake of bringing in Kendrick Nunn in the first place. You know, it even makes it so a good trade like the DFS one. You have to attach all those picks on there or even what was logically attached to acquire Anthony Davis or to acquire Luca.

Starting point is 00:27:45 Like those are deals that you absolutely use first and second round picks on, but you only have so many to go around. and the Lakers spent a few years, frankly, recklessly burning through those. Yeah, no question. Asset management has not been a strength of the Lakers, even when they've done things well. I mean, they've generally, if you take a, given them a grade over the last, you know, six seasons or seven seasons, that has definitely been a weak point for them on the proverbial report card. And, you know, there is, you're right, there's a point at which you wish,

Starting point is 00:28:24 you had some of that stuff back. I mean, like, I think it can be, you know, draft picks can be overrated and people, teams can sort of hoard them and, you know, treat them too preciously and be like, oh, we can't give up a second first rounder for that, you know, for player X, Y, and Z, and you find yourself with more of these picks and you can use. That said, I do think we're entering an era where a team like Oklahoma City, the expectation has always been, oh, they'll trade some of that stuff for a star or for a high profile. I don't think that's what they're going to do.

Starting point is 00:28:58 I think they're going to hold on to most of these picks, continue sort of trading back on these things, picking, drafting and stashing, whatever. And when players like Kaysen Wallace or the next time Lou Dort is a free agent, so they can afford to pay their top tier guys and don't have to overpay for the second tier guys on their roster. So I think that the nature of draft picks is changing, but, you know, the Lakers just, they treated those things as disposable because they've always been a team that free agency, trades, attract players that way, big swings and all that. The little details, the little moves, the stuff you do with second rounders hasn't been a priority. It's always been, you know,

Starting point is 00:29:44 something that's just sort of been seen as an afterthought. Yeah. And, Again, it makes it so a small trade like theoretically for Alonzo Ball, unless Chicago would do it for just getting a second round pick and, you know, essentially swapping salaries. It's hard for me to imagine without roping in a third team, which, again, that's starting to get really complicated for what is a pretty mid-to-lower tier trade. If nothing else, it feels more complicated. than it should.

Starting point is 00:30:20 And that speaks to the problem. Where I think something like this seems more likely is the Lakers, like both Chicago and the Lakers being part of a larger deal, being part of a three-team deal, a four-team deal. Kevin Durant moves from Phoenix to God knows where. You're talking about a challenging trade market right there. And what do you get for Kevin Durant if you're Phoenix? But that's a separate question for the Lockdown Sons folks.

Starting point is 00:30:47 But that's what I've been focused on heading into this offseason are these big trades, big movement. It's why if you're the Lakers, I think you want Janus to move. You want Durant to move. You just want big trades that are harder to facilitate where you need more teams to get involved and pick off a player here, send a contract there. And maybe all the Lakers end up with is Lanzo Ball in this giant 50s. team mega trade and maybe all they send out is Gabe Vincent and, you know, I'm just throwing out

Starting point is 00:31:25 a name, Jordan Goodwin or something like that. You know, and I know that's not somebody that a lot of fans would want to trade, but you get the point. And that's it. And they're like almost like an afterthought. That's where I think the Lakers are going to be able to make moves for a player like Lonzo where the one-to-one team A, team B, just working with each other stuff, doesn't line up. Yeah. Hopefully that's the case. And we've talked about it. many times. Rob Polinka has said he thinks it's going to be an active offseason. He has said that the Lakers are going to be

Starting point is 00:31:53 involved. That means Rob Polinka is going to have to be very creative working with a limited amount of resources. So, you know, get to thinking. Locked on Lakers on YouTube is where you can go hang out with over 35,000 subscribers.

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