Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Grade the Lakers' Offseason. What's a Fair Evaluation for Rob Pelinka and the Roster?

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everyone, welcome to Locked on Lakers for Tuesday. Brian Kemenetsky, Andy Kemenetsky. It's Graydon time for the off season. We've reached August. How have the Lakers done according to at least one pundit? That's next. You are Locked on Lakers. Your daily Los Angeles Lakers podcast, part of the Lockedon Podcast Network.

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Starting point is 00:01:18 So we'll get into what Rob Polinka thinks of the offseason. He did talk about that at Saturday's press conference, what the ceiling might be for the Lakers. I still want to talk a little bit about the value of training camp, which we'll get to, if not today, over the course of the weekend. Andy bid. I want to start with, it's kind of, you know, we've reached the point of the offseason where everybody can kind of sort of reflect a little bit. Most of the big business is done. Luca has signed his extension on Monday. Deerrin Fox got a max deal with the Spurs. The big names

Starting point is 00:01:53 are either off the market or Andy are expected to, you know, we know what team they're going to go to at some point. Or there are Jonathan Caminga, Josh Giddy, and a couple of other guys and they're just sort of stuck in purgatory hell. Right. I was thinking of the, of the free agents, you know, that are expected to move teams. Maybe comminga might move teams. But basically, Al Horford, if he doesn't retire, is waiting to become a warrior. He might retire by the time the warriors figure out this comming a thing that's holding up and signing with the warriors.

Starting point is 00:02:24 Same with De Anthony Melton. So again, the most- He's only in his early 30s and he might retire by the time this thing is done. We all might retire by it. Jonathan Cominga might have to retire by the time this day. It is one of these times, though, where you can look back on the offseason and kind of evaluate how things have gone. And to that end, Andy, Andy, our friend Dan Wakey, who was a guest on your Lakers talk show in 710 ESPN on Monday night.

Starting point is 00:02:52 He has weighed in with a grade, all the folks, the beat writers at the athletic, turning in one for their respective covers. Dan gives the Lakers a B-minus. Your thoughts, Andy. First, I'll read his rationale for the B-minus before I even get into what I think of Dan's right. Before I tear into him. Well, I just want to give people the full context

Starting point is 00:03:16 before I rip Dan a new one, especially since he was kind enough to appear on my show. I feel like I owe him that much. Quote, the challenge in grading the Lakers off-season is whether to hold them to the relative scale of what they were trying to accomplish or whether to grade them against the rest of the league. In particular, their rivals in the West. If it's regarding what they were trying to accomplish,

Starting point is 00:03:37 it's hard to think of a way they could have done better than DeAndre Aiton, Jake LaRavie and Marcus Smart without sacrificing draft picks or significant assets. If it's against the rest of the West, you can't see on paper that they've kept up with the Houston Rockets, Denver Nuggets, or maybe even the LA Clippers. But an offseason isn't just about which players come in and which ones are lost. There's other stuff to Luca Dajit's extension and role in signing Aitin and Smartboads well for a long-term relationship between the organization and the star. The ownership sale to Mark Walter at $10 billion valuation should eventually give the team every financial tool.

Starting point is 00:04:13 And then some, the awkwardness with LeBron James is less than ideal. But on the whole, the Lakers got better this summer in more than one way. And what I think is interesting about the way Dan frames this is how you could look at this. on the micro level, sort of the present level, and the 5,000 foot view level, and all of those different ways would be totally valid. But depending on the way you decided to look at or what you decided to focus on most, the grades could completely vary. Like from a 5,000 foot view, it's an A because they locked up Luca.

Starting point is 00:04:54 Like that was the number one goal of this offseason. And if it did not happen, that's like a holy bleep. What do we do? We need to handle this very carefully, very delicately, and we have no flippin' clue how. Basically, you're Kevin Bacon at the end of Animal House. All is well. All is well.

Starting point is 00:05:19 It would have been very tenuous. heading into this season with Luca not locked up. I mean, that could radically affect a lot of decisions that you make just over the course of this season, much less beyond. That's handled in that respect, the Lakers, you could argue get an A or an A plus because they have a generational superstar now locked up for a... Locked up after, you know, being, you know, the first day, a summer of recruiting. all that, so that portion of the offseason, I agree with you, A plus. But then when you start thinking about the grades in making the roster as competitive as it needs to be for this season, which would have included Luca with or without the extension because he's still under contract for next year,

Starting point is 00:06:14 you start getting into a tricky area. And this is something I talked about a little bit with Dan tonight in the show, among other things, including the awkwardness with LeBron, which he addressed and maybe we'll talk about during the show. But the question of how to grade the Lakers or whether it's more important to grade them against the rest of the league versus what they were realistically capable of doing, I think is really critical. And I don't even know if there's a right answer. But like, for example, if you think Houston made the biggest offseason move by acquiring Kevin Durant. and you can certainly make a very strong case for that. Durant can only go to one team,

Starting point is 00:06:56 and the Lakers were in no realistic position to acquire Durant at all. Like that was not going to happen for them. So to some degree, like, I guess you can penalize them for not kidding, Durant, but that seems kind of unfair and even pointless. They were arguably not in the position to do some of the things around the league that other teams did, like Atlanta getting the kill Alexander Walker. The Lakers were not going to be able to create the cap space to pay gna what he ended up getting from the Hawks. Like, not possible. So how much do you weigh the idea of what was realistically possible versus what was realistically

Starting point is 00:07:43 necessary. To me, it's, it's, I think the basic framework that Dan is setting up here is correct. I think, you know, there are really two things you're grading. Are you grading the idea that the Lakers kept up with the Joneses? Because in that case, no, not quite. Denver, I think, advanced a little farther than the Lakers did. And you could argue if all was sort of well and everybody's healthy, maybe they're a little bit better if you know the reason they have Nicola Yokic. But the teams won the same amount of games last year. So there is that. I think Houston, who won a couple more games than the Lakers did, quite literally, they won 52.

Starting point is 00:08:26 The Lakers won 50. I think Houston had overall a more transformative offseason. They kept, you know, I think the most important young players that they had got rid of a number one option in Jalen Green, who was, I think it would still be a good player, but is just not reliable in that role. And they replaced him with arguably the best pure defensive player of this generation and Kevin Durant, who is still really good. But they kept Thompson. They kept Schengoon. They kept Jabari Smith Jr. Like the architecture of that year.

Starting point is 00:09:06 And all of those guys, all of them are still on the team. You know, Dylan Brooks will hurt, but they got a lot of ways to replace him. So, you know, did Houston, had a bit a little better of an offseason. I like what the Clippers did. I think the Clippers, as they exist on paper, you know,

Starting point is 00:09:24 I love what they, sort of how they transform their starting lineup. I love the addition of John Collins. I think they traded Norm Powell at the right time and reworked the lineup in that way. I just, you know, I think Lopez is a great addition to what they want to do behind,

Starting point is 00:09:41 um, uh, zoo and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, the Lakers did well, but are probably a little further behind the best teams in the West than they were before. But they could have been a lot further behind had they not done certain things. And I find an interesting, there's an interesting sort of the other side of this. If you look at ESPN's running grades that they have for all the big moves made this offseason, kind of reflects the positive side of this.

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Starting point is 00:11:56 Oh, you know what? I wanted to ask you something because you did this on Saturday when we did our reaction to the press conference and the signing and the extension for Luca. You did this on Saturday. I heard you do it again on your Lakers Talk show. We were both in studio together at ESPN, and then you did it again. you referred to this as the beginning of the Luca era, like the Luca era is here. Do you not count the part that, you know, because technically speaking, the Luca era began

Starting point is 00:12:25 at the trade deadline or close to it. It's an interesting distinction. I think I understand what you're getting at, but I wanted to ask you what you mean by that. I mean it more in just the celebratory he is here. We know that the commitment is mutual. we know that Luca wants to be a Laker for a while. Obviously, the time that he played from February through April counts. It will go down on everybody's permanent record.

Starting point is 00:12:59 But it was also during a very tenuous period where Luca was coming off an injury. He missed a certain amount of time. He didn't have a proper center to be working with. he and LeBron and Austin Reeves and Rui and, you know, J.J. Reddick, like nobody really had enough time to work together. We were starting from a period that was exciting because they just traded for Luca and between February and April and then between April and where we are now, there had never been any indications that Luca was looking elsewhere once he was able to leave. But it never felt official until August 2nd.

Starting point is 00:13:46 The day I deemed unofficially until I guess Karen Bass signs off on it, Luca Day. August 2nd, I have declared Luca Day. And that was the day where things really felt like, okay, the Lakers and Luca are officially moving forward, especially since it very much felt like it was part of, of a buildup that was from Luca by design. Like he wanted to help hype this moment for the franchise,

Starting point is 00:14:20 for his teammates, for Laker fans. So yes, the stuff before then, it counts, obviously. But the Luca era to me really feels like now moving forward. Because if for no other reason, everybody's on the same page with playing it. Everybody's on the same page. This is why I think it's kind of a. fun distinction to make because like this is the beginning

Starting point is 00:14:44 of the part where the Lakers can control what they do with the roster specifically for Luca. They kind of tried with the Williams thing. They decided it was a bad idea after looking at some pictures of what's

Starting point is 00:15:00 going on inside Mark Williams's body. And then they were sort of hamstrung from there. But like this is the first stretch of time where they will go into the, you know, they did an off season with how do we do things to best suit Luca now and in the future? How do we create a team that's competitive this year, but also works for Luca? Which free agents do we get to build a team around Luca and all these other things?

Starting point is 00:15:26 And, you know, thinking about a full training camp with Luca, the signing of them and all this stuff. This is the part that like counts. Like this is the stuff where you're really able to tilt the thing and open up a new era. in the franchise. And again, I don't know if that's exactly what you were thinking. But when you said it on Saturday, I was like, oh, like that's interesting. I know he's not, not counting. It's like the stupid thing where you say the playoffs don't start until somebody wins on the other team's floor. Now, they start at game one. That's when they begin. But in this particular case, when you talk about the beginning of an era, you can certainly argue it starts when the team really

Starting point is 00:16:05 orientes everything and is able to orient everything they're doing toward one person. Well, this is an interesting comment from Lion King, Luca era. What players can he recruit? How can the players play in style? How the Lakers rank in the standings? The part that jumped out of me from that comment from Lion King was just the idea that Luca will recruit players and he has recruited players. He helped recruit DeAndre Aiton.

Starting point is 00:16:30 He was key in recruiting Marcus Smart. That to me, again, feels like the Luca era officially beginning because he obviously had agency with the with the franchise from the moment he arrived but he is now able to help put his stamp on things and help create the personality of this team in ways that aren't limited to just how he plays on the court with everything thrown together on the fly i am i it's just something i wanted to ask that that's kind of stuck out on saturday so i held onto it until today um but Yeah, it was just it was it's an interesting framing. I think it's actually a pretty good one because this is you know, last year

Starting point is 00:17:14 counted, but this year is the really I do think you could say is the beginning, the true beginning of the Luca era in L.A. So anyway, back to what we were talking about before in terms of grading this offseason and what the Lakers have done. And, and all that, you mentioned that Dan Wojke with a very reasonable and well-thought explanation, gave them a B-minus. I think the B-minus part, the lower part of that grade, the sort of that he's framing there, comes from,

Starting point is 00:17:43 okay, you got probably a little bit worse than the conference. Like if you're making preseason rankings, the Lakers are not going to be second or third on most people's lists. They're going to be fifth, sixth, seventh, probably in there, I think on most preseason rankings, which is pretty good in that conference, but not second, third, whatever. But if you look at the big moves that they made,

Starting point is 00:18:06 the individual moves that they made. Those all rate pretty highly. If you go look, ESPN has this thing that they posted the beginning of the offseason and they leave it up for the rest of the time, grading every significant move. And if you look at what they did with Marcus Smart, Lakers get a beat. It's pretty good. You know, it's not bad.

Starting point is 00:18:29 And I think that's fair. Smart is an upgrade that comes with some. degree of risk. Even Rob Polinka admitted, you know, that, you know, you're looking at a guy who maybe has a little chip on his shoulder after a couple down seasons and wants to show people that he is still a DPOY type guy that better than a buyout and all that kind of stuff. You know, getting bought out tends to get under good player's skin, no question. If you look at what they said about D'Andre Aiton, that got a B-plus from ESPN. again, the level of production at that price, filling a gigantic hole for the Lakers,

Starting point is 00:19:11 like that rated quite well. And then the other big move that they made was Jake Laravia, and that got a B-plus. And I am actually really high on that. So when you put all these things together, like the individual players that they brought in should be good fits. and then when you think about what they were able to do with what was available to them, I think it's fair to say. You get maybe a C for keeping up with the conference, but maybe, I'm just saying. But an A minus, C plus, whatever, however you want to divide it to something that kind of averages out to a B minus,

Starting point is 00:19:52 I think Dan, whether you think it's a B, whether you think it's a C plus as a team, whatever, I think the framing kind of works. the Lakers did as well as they could, given what was available to them. I think this buyout market of 2025 certainly came at a good time for Rob Polinket, no question. And then, you know, you can question whether or not they have a better or worse chance of making the Western Conference finals now than they did at the beginning of the summer. Those are not mutually exclusive ideas. coming up I'm going to explain why I think Dan's grade is ultimately too low even though I think he went about trying to do this in a fair way.

Starting point is 00:20:34 He's a hack? No, no. I mean, he's not a hack and he is actually fair. I just think he's wrong. And I will explain coming up next. Lockdowne Lakers is brought to you by monarch money. Have you ever wished that managing your money felt easier with monarch money? It can be.

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Starting point is 00:22:01 Like I said, I think he does it in a pretty reasonable way. And I think he identified that the Lakers, depending on which teams you're talking about, may not have kept up with the rest of the teams around the West as well as they have needed to. That being said, though, they did not get actually any worse. I think they actually got better than where they. they began last off season. Like I think they are actually a better team than the one that was a three seed that got knocked out by the wolves in what I think was a combination ultimately of bad matchup and

Starting point is 00:22:40 they did not have a complete enough roster to try to contend with that matchup from the best place of strength. But this team has actually gotten better. even if you feel like they haven't gotten as better as you'd want them to be, I feel like they have gotten as better as was realistically possible for them. And I also don't think the gap between them and whichever teams you think are in front of them is that big. Other than OKC, who I think is still the best team in the West by a pretty good margin until I see evidence. otherwise it was exactly by the way

Starting point is 00:23:21 what you and I both thought heading into last season. We thought they were the best team in the league by a pretty wide margin and that turned out to be the case. And maybe they maybe a little bit with Houston, but again, they were not in a position to do the main thing that put Houston in this position that everyone seems to think they are. They could not get Kevin Durant. From there, I don't think they're that much behind Denver, if at all.

Starting point is 00:23:47 I need to see the Clippers. actually put this thing on the court as opposed to on paper before I really frankly why I'm going to say healthy you need Bradley you need healthy and so on again I think the moves that they made all make sense they have a lot of depth which could be very important because they're always hurt but I need to see it actually work and come together in ways that really matter before I start fearing it like again I respect the work over there. They're a well-run organization. This is not your daddy's clippers, but they've been like the on-paper team for like five years.

Starting point is 00:24:27 Minnesota either are basically in neutral if you think that guys like Terrant Shannon Jr. Or Rob Dillingham or Jalen Clark are ready for a role. Or they actually took a step backwards because they lost McKeel-Alexander Walker and have no real way to replace him. and while Anthony Edwards, I believe, will continue to get better, there are some guys on the team like, namely Mike Conley Jr. and Rudy Gobert that are starting to get older, and they may start becoming a little less reliable. So I see Minnesota as a team that had a worse offseason than the Lakers,

Starting point is 00:25:11 but it's also worth noting the Lakers were finished ahead of them in the standings last year. So, you know, they're one of the teams and theoretically needs to pass the lake. So I would just say Minnesota didn't do anything to get. Minnesota, we're having this conversation in Minnesota, that grade is lower. There's no question. Right.

Starting point is 00:25:31 And again, I know the wolves took out the Lakers in five, but the squad that they took out in five is not this squad. Like, I'm not even saying the Lakers would beat the wolves if they rematched these rosters, the one that they played in the playoffs now. I'm just saying I think it would be a different series. At the very least, they're not losing in five by as decisive a margin because one of the big reasons they lost was the lack of any playable size,

Starting point is 00:26:00 and that in and of itself has been fixed. I think people are wildly underestimating the impact of Aiton because they don't like Aiton. They don't think he's somebody who's lived up as to his potential. except the Lakers don't need him to be the DeAndre Aiton that everybody thought Phoenix was drafting. He could be exactly the same guy he was last year in Portland with all the warts and all the motivation issues and all that and still represent a really big improvement in the Lakers' center rotation relative to what they finished the year with. Let me offer you a middle ground. DeAndre Aitin is not the player that Phoenix thought they were drafting number one overall when they could have drafted on.

Starting point is 00:26:44 I don't know, Luca Donchich. But he's better than the version in Portland that has led to, as Aiton acknowledged in his introductory press conference, him being seen as not a winning player and it seemed to bother him. Let's just say you get the version that was with Phoenix when they went on that run to the finals in 2021. And that would be somewhere in between the player that Phoenix thought they drafted and probably the worst version of his career in Portland, you get that 2021 version of DeAndre Aiton,

Starting point is 00:27:19 that player is going to be extremely useful for the Lakers this coming season. That makes them frankly a totally different team than they had been post-Anthony Davis. They're completely different. And I want to acknowledge, there are question marks about Aiton, there are question marks about smart, there are question marks about Jake LaRavia. We have offered all of those questions. There's going to be the question of whether an Austin Reeves can take yet another step in his development. There's going to be questions about how Rui fits into this mix. There's going to be questions about LeBron James as he turns 41. Can he maintain this thing moving forward? You know, does shredded skinny Luca either more equal more available Luca? J.J. Reddick's progress or coach,

Starting point is 00:28:07 like all of these things exist. I guess I just think there are more questions. about some of these other teams that often get acknowledged. So between that and the fact that, again, I think Rob Polinka did about as good of work as he could have realistically done this offseason. Long way of saying I'd give him like a B plus for the off season. Yeah, I think there's a difference between like Rob's grade, the Lakers grade.

Starting point is 00:28:34 It just depends on what you want to emphasize. And, you know, we'll just, we'll see. We'll see what this looks like. You know, if there is a big variance in what they're going to, you know, the versions of Marcus Smart that they could get. They get last year's Marcus Smart, you know, it's not going to be that helpful. If they get DPOI Mark is Smart, oh, man, that's going to make a profound difference in what the Lakers are able to do. Because you've got to remember, too, the trickle-down effect, even if Smart isn't guarding the best wing on the other team.

Starting point is 00:29:08 We can't go up by just having a guy that you know can be. a major improvement as a defensive anchor in the back court is going to make that a huge difference. Reality is he's probably somewhere in the middle. Which would be an upgrade, by the way, from what they have. Right, it would be. Aitin, you mentioned like the idealized. They get the 2021-1 version. That would be great.

Starting point is 00:29:29 The reality is they probably get something in between the 2021 version and last season. But also, too, remember, he's got to be on any given night, probably the team, he's going to be looked at as the team's fourth best player. You know, and that is a big, like if DeAndre Aden averages 10 rebounds a game and 11 points a game, nobody's going to complain. You know, maybe up that block rate a little bit, you know, whatever it might be, look like, you know, show that you can defend the rim a little bit, help anchor a defense that Marcus Smart is making better on the perimeter.

Starting point is 00:30:08 Like that's going to make LeBron better defensively. It's can make Austin Reeves, who was a very willing and smart defender most of the time, but not built quite literally for chasing around the best player in another team's backcourt. It's just not what he's there to do. Better be up for the second best. That's fine. But there's a big difference between the best and the second best. There's a difference doing it when you have rim protection versus when you don't.

Starting point is 00:30:34 And all of this stuff, the effect that Luke is going to have on the offense, which will change the way that the Lakers can play defense. All of these things are, you know, I'm looking forward to training camp, which we'll talk about more in detail tomorrow. I'm looking forward to seeing in training camp, like how do you use all these parts? How do you design an offense that makes your defense better? How do you maximize the skill set of Luca and LeBron over the course of,

Starting point is 00:31:03 how many weeks do they have of preseason before you start playing real games? It's like five weeks or something like that, weeks, whatever. Like, what can you do with that time to build a new program and a new system? Like, there's so much potential here for the Lakers to be, if nothing else, a very entertaining team. And so I don't think it's fair to grade. It's not fair.

Starting point is 00:31:31 It's also not good analysis to grade the Aiton signing on the sort of, you know, Which is not what Dan did, just so it's like. No, I'm just saying for every, you know, the Royal Observers, all bring in the Royal Observers for people to grade the Aitin signing based on the vision of DeAndre Aiton as a number one pick because that's not who the Lakers signed. Like all of it just context matters an incredible amount in professional sports. And contextually, the Lakers are. in pretty good shape. And like I agree with you, did as about as well as could reasonably be

Starting point is 00:32:16 expected. You know, bigger moves would have cost them players in the rotation. And if you get a frontline player, but it costs you three members of your rotation, including Rui Hachamura, that takes away from the impact of the player that you acquired. Plus, I think even more importantly or maybe even more accurately, I don't even know if that type of trade was even available for them in the first place, even if you think that's the better move for them. You just think they should be as top heavy as possible. LeBron, Luca, Austin, incoming guy X, and fill out the rest with Flotsam and Jetsam. I don't even know if that was possible for them even if they wanted to, much less a move

Starting point is 00:33:03 that was actually worth it, which is the other reason that I think Rob deserves a pretty good grade for the off season. I think Rob deserves a very good grid. But I mean like we'll I'm sure talk about this, but Dan and I talked a bit on my show about how among other things, one of the tension points between the Lakers and LeBron, I think is LeBron wanting them to push all the chips in the middle while he's still there. Use that 2031 first. Like go all in. And truth be told, I don't think there is a move that would justify it. And the justification can't be LeBron's about to turn 41. Like it's really got to make sense.

Starting point is 00:33:46 I don't think for the time being, I don't think there's a move out there that would even justify doing it regardless of LeBron's situation. I agree. Locked on YouTube is where you can go hang out with over 36,000 subscribers to the channel. Do make sure you're subscribing to the audio version because you may not always be able to,

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