Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Have the Lakers Found Some Rhythm With Rui Hachimura as a 6th Man?

Starting point is 00:00:00 Are the Lakers thriving with Rui Hachamora as the sixth man? We'll tell you next. You are Locked on Lakers. Your daily Los Angeles Lakers podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Thanks to everybody for making Lockedon Lakers. First listen to every day, Monday through Friday, no matter how, where you get your podcasts,

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Starting point is 00:01:07 But it's a long road trip still ahead of him. And finding some momentum, finding some stuff that works for them is very important. And to that point, Andy, it may be that they are finally doing what you and I have been begging for them to do. Since Trining Camp, and that is bring Rui Hachamora off the bench

Starting point is 00:01:27 permanently as a sixth man. I mean, I had brought up this possibility heading into last year as well, but at the time, the main guy that I wanted to be the fifth starter for skill set purpose balancing and stuff like that. Jared Vanderbilt could never stay happy. And also it took healthy. Healthy.

Starting point is 00:01:46 You could never stay healthy. And I think it's also. What? We don't know about it. I said we don't know about his mood. He just couldn't stay healthy. Oh, I thought I said healthy. He said happy.

Starting point is 00:01:54 I was going, I combined two things. I was going to say healthy with Vanderbilt. J.J. Reddick could never stay happy enough with his performance in order to keep him on the court, play him enough. healthy or not. But Bando is now back in the rotation. Rui Hachamuro, though, coming off the bench. And the last few games, I think we're starting to see where this is both benefiting Rui and the Lakers. His percentages as a reserve overall, both from the field and from deep, they're lower than his season average, though I think some of that is due to the earlier minutes limit and just getting used to this.

Starting point is 00:02:34 but the last three games that Rui has played off the bench, which appears to indicate a minutes limit being over. They were all 28, 29 minutes, something like that. Individually in that period, those three games, Rui's got the best plus minus and the best net rating on the team. And as we predicted, his field goal attempts are up from his numbers as a starter. In those three games, he's averaging 12.3 shots a game. versus nine and a half on the season.

Starting point is 00:03:06 His usage is up. In other words, shock of all shocks, he's more involved in the offense because he's not spending large chunks of the opening quarters, particularly in the first quarter, aka Luca Beluza, buried for opportunities and touches. So it makes sense that this would be happening, but also, too, I think zooming out the team's benefiting. Like the bench is not super prolific, but again, over these last three games, post minutes limit, they're up from 30 to 23. So it's incremental improvement.

Starting point is 00:03:46 And they are also collectively winning their minutes. Whereas before they were, for the season, they were a net zero, like 0.0. And the eye test did not match the numbers. Well, in the sense of like it seemed worse. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. The eye test seemed like it was far, far worse. We can talk about more.

Starting point is 00:04:13 I think some of the floor combinations that Rui has been used with as he's coming off the bench are bringing out some interesting qualities in Rui. He's also in these last three games averaging nearly six rebounds a game, despite playing fewer minutes than his season averages. So thus far, this seems to be bearing fruit in the way both of us thought that it would, both for Rui individually and for the team collectively. So again, small sample size, but so far so good. Do you want to let people know today's episode is brought to you by Fandul.

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Starting point is 00:05:14 That's the normal amount of Rui minutes. We saw, you know, you can't hit huge clutch threes down the stretch of a game and late in a fourth quarter if you're not part of that closing lineup. and Rui obviously was. And I think, I think regardless, even when Reeves comes back, and I presume Rui will stay a sixth man, you know, minutes restrictions up, and all these other things. You could return to the basic lineup that they had anticipated before the year.

Starting point is 00:05:51 I don't think that they will. I guess that's first and foremost. Do you agree? If that was the plan, I don't know why Rui in starting now. Well, again, it'd be like because of the minutes restrictions and stuff like that. The minute's restriction seems to be over. It does. I agree with you.

Starting point is 00:06:07 So, I mean, it seems to me. It would make no sense to me to move Rui back into the starting lineup once Austin returns. If he needs to be starting then, then he needs to be starting now. Right. My point is that perhaps there is just this lingering, you know, restriction or carefulness or whatever. The basic question is,

Starting point is 00:06:29 do you think he's going to stay on the bench? And I do. I would think so, yes. Yeah. It doesn't mean he's not going to finish a lot of games because I think the Lakers will probably start smart. It wouldn't totally shock me if Leravia

Starting point is 00:06:46 stayed in the starting lineup, even once Reeves was back. But what we saw on Sunday, I'm sorry, Saturday in Dallas, was how important it is to have somebody on the floor, who isn't one of the stars or whatever, that has real shot-making, three-point-making capability. Somebody that when you leave that person open,

Starting point is 00:07:14 the other team's fans are like, oh, uh-oh, like this could be bad. And, you know, he is the only person on the team that you could reasonably refer to, and JJ did after the game, as a laser. You know, that's the fancy term people use now for guys who can really shoot.

Starting point is 00:07:33 If the Lakers have any lasers, he's the only one. Oh, Rue's a legit laser. He has developed into a legitimately excellent three-point shooter. Yeah, he's a laser. If anything, he does not laze enough, but he is a laser.

Starting point is 00:07:49 Poo-poo, pew, pew, pew. Yeah. He, you need that on the floor. Like in the modern NBA, it is really important to have that guy who can, whether, especially somebody who can come, you know, off a drive and be there for a kick or a swing, swing, which is how he got one of his threes on Saturday night, but you need that skill set. And so I think one of the things that you're going to get to is, like these, these comments combinations that seem to make Rui more viable defensively.

Starting point is 00:08:26 The Lakers, by the way, been a very good fourth quarter team and a very good defensive team in the fourth quarter, you know, despite some of their uglier statistics. Over the last four games, the Lakers have an 86.2 defensive rating. That is the second best in the fourth quarter. It's the second best in the league for the fourth quarter. they also have, I believe, over the last four games, the best, or excuse me, over the last four games, they have the fourth best defensive rating, period. Yes, 107.4 for the last four games over the course of entire games. The offensive rating has only been 19th, but they still have an overall positive offensive rating.

Starting point is 00:09:13 And then again, like I said, in the fourth quarter, they have the second best offensive rating, second best defensive rating, second best defensive rating, second best overall net rating. They have been legitimately nails in the fourth quarter, particularly down the stretch. You can parse it all you want in terms of some of these games, quality of competition, should it have even turned into a clutch game to begin with, whatever. The bottom line is when they need to execute most, they have been consistently very good at it. Well, I will say this too. For most of the season, they've kind of won. in similar ways they've lost. And for most of the season,

Starting point is 00:09:52 I'd have to look back up again. Recently, like, they're averaging 10 points, you know, for their victories by double digits. Like, that's been,

Starting point is 00:10:03 you know, where a lot of that has come. It's really just that the losses are so loud that it kind of drowns some of that out. But let's talk a bit of a little bit about combinations, a little bit about what changes when Rui comes off the bench. And who benefits from that And Andy, we'll get more into this defensive resurgence that we've seen.

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Starting point is 00:12:04 He is not a great defender. He's not a great rebounder, although, like, as you said, he always had a couple pretty decent rebounding games. He had eight against Dallas. And I will say, our friend Tim underscore NBA Cranches McBasketball does do a lot of boxout tracking. And Rui is one of the more, I believe, consistent boxout guys. Last I looked by Cranches' metrics, and these metrics can vary depending on where you go and how they track them.

Starting point is 00:12:34 But according to his metrics, Rui is among the more consistent boxout guys in the team. And that's a big deal. Like, you do your job. The ball fault might fall to somebody else. So, like, it gets to my basic theory about Rui defensively. I think he is willing. I think he is aware of the importance of it. I don't think he is Cam Thomas, who seems extremely indifferent and just, you know,

Starting point is 00:13:01 I'm here to get some buckets and that's how we're going to do it. I don't think he's got great defensive instincts. So along those lines, it's really important to kind of who you put them around and what's the context. And in that regard, you noticed something I thought that was pretty interesting the other day. Yeah, and this is something that has really been a trend over these last few games where, again, it seems to me like Rui is off his minutes limit altogether, and he is getting more minutes and therefore more time on the floor, more combinations. Rui's been a part of some pretty big defensive surges over these last three games, win or lose for the Lakers. And one of the things I've noticed is when he's out there more with Vando and Jackson Hayes, Marcus Smart, La Ravia, like some of the higher motor guys on this team, and then usually either Luca or especially LeBron, because LeBron has also been one of the guys that JJ's been playing a lot with some of these high energy defense guys. Rui's own motor raises a lot.

Starting point is 00:14:14 and when Rui has a high motor going, whether because he's newly inspired or just trying to match what everyone else is doing, because there can be a pressure to not look like the weakest link. It is much easier to slack on defense when it feels like everybody else is and you don't really stand out whenever... You want to be the third worst defender

Starting point is 00:14:37 or the fourth worst, not the fifth. Right, right. I mean, when everybody else, though, is flying around, It's like we talked about last year with LeBron and the conversation JJ had with him about, look, man, I can't get these other guys to play defense consistently if you don't. And once LeBron started doing it very regularly,

Starting point is 00:14:59 it's clear when the old man's doing it, we have no other choice. If you put Rui out there with more high motor guys, his own motor raises. And then at that point, some of the athleticism, some of the speed, some of the things that make you kind of perplexed why Rui isn't a great defender in the first place. I'm not saying he turns into a prime Ron Arnard test, but he becomes a much more passable defender.

Starting point is 00:15:24 He is defensive tofu. He takes on the flavors and characteristics of the ingredient around him. If you put really spicy, you know, exciting ingredients around him, he is going to play in that way. If you put inattentive, incoherent defense. It's just a plate of tofu. And I like tofu, but by itself.

Starting point is 00:15:57 If you put other other tofu around him. That's what I mean, like just a plate of tofu. Right. It's tofu ruy and then like four other tofu. Yeah. Yeah. It's not going to look right. And so. It's like to be that, uh, taste that great.

Starting point is 00:16:11 It's, but this is partially why, you know, again, like, Rui was part of decent defensive lineups last year too without being, because like I said, he is, it's not, it's not that he's not willing to try. It's what, it's why if you put the right people around him, Austin can be a perfectly effective team defender because he under, he is, he is willing to put in the effort and he is going to do, at least try to do what he's supposed to do. Austin is more limited by

Starting point is 00:16:45 athleticism. I think Rui is limited more by defensive instincts. The NBA game moves incredibly fast. And if you're, if you, if it's just not something that you see as clearly as some other guys do, you know,

Starting point is 00:17:01 you only have to be a quarter second late or a half second late or a half step behind for entire plays to blow up. That's how good these guys are. And so I think if you surround, like, I agree with you, Rui is surrounded by good energy players is going to give him energy. Or if it's the fourth quarter and you're in a five-point game

Starting point is 00:17:22 and everybody's intensity has picked up, Ruey's is going to pick up. Luca is like that. Like, you know, in the fourth quarter, you know, the tracking stats, Dallas attacked him all game. Luca had, I think, six straight stops or shots that were missed while he was defending. in that game. But some of that is statistical luck and variance, but a lot of it is everybody turns up their energy

Starting point is 00:17:48 when you're that part of the game. Well, to your point about Luca, I remember a conversation we had with Isok Franco, who has covered Luca going back to Slovenia and Real Madrid. And one of the things that he has said, and it can be often very counterintuitive to the way people, talk about Luca and he wasn't necessarily recommending this as an entire game, but he said,

Starting point is 00:18:13 one of the best ways to get the best out of Luca defensively is actually not to hide him, but to actually put him on the most difficult, reasonable assignment for him. Like the highest degree of difficulty that you can reasonably ask Luca to defend over multiple possessions over the course of however many minutes he's going to play. The more you can do that, the more generally engaged you get from Luca because he's just wired to be so competitive. And if you put him in the right matchup, he actually can be better than his reputation. But I think Sky Falcon 5 raises a good point about Rui.

Starting point is 00:18:57 And it's something we've both talked about a lot and why we wanted him to move to the bench in the first place. Rui as the fourth or fifth defender in bench lineups work. When he had to be the first or second defender as a starter, that is a problem. And in fairness to Rui, when he was part of a starting lineup of Luca, LeBron, Austin, Aiton, Rui, he was regularly being asked to guard out of position against guards and small wings that he has no prayer of stopping those guys. And at a level higher than he's supposed, like, probably having to guard someone a little better than you would want Rui to be guarding.

Starting point is 00:19:38 Yeah. And at that point, the ask isn't reasonable. The ask now is more reasonable with some of these lineups with Rui. And again, I'm hoping that he's recognizing these benefits over the last few games of him coming off the bench. Like it's bringing out a lot good and useful for him individually beyond what it's doing for the team. team. There are a couple things that need to get fixed over the course of the season. And I don't mean like in a trade deadline kind of way, but like with assuming the personnel that they have, a huge one is the distribution of offense throughout a game and a rotation. And one of the things that I think the Lakers can try to address should be coming up relatively soon on this road trip.

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Starting point is 00:23:15 If you can get them on a night where their weaknesses are easier to exploit, you might beat them by 20. One thing that they can fix, though, is the distribution of scoring. And this is where Austin Reeves coming back, hopefully before the end of this trip. That's what the Lakers are forecasting. They believe he will be back to play on this trip, not necessarily even with that last game. This is going to make a huge difference potentially because like right now, the Lakers, you have Luka, who's pretty much an automatic 30 every night or pretty close to it.

Starting point is 00:23:54 But behind him, like LeBron has been really good over the last. offensively at least over the last, you know, five weeks or so since his birthday. But if you had to, if I asked you like which one of these guys is more likely to blow up for 35 on any given night and I gave you LeBron or Austin, who would you say is more likely? Austin.

Starting point is 00:24:18 Me too. Absolutely. At this point in his career, LeBron, I think is more of a reliable 18 to 25. but with five or ten minutes over the course of a game where you get like what you got in Dallas, where he still can take over a game, cause those steals, got up and down the floor, finished at the basket, makes a big three, all that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 00:24:44 He still got that in it. But like if I had to guess which player on the Lakers would score 35 more often between now and the end of the season, I would take Austin over LeBron. I actually, for me, the answer is even simpler. They're both capable. The Lakers are going to be looking for practical reasons for Austin to do it more than LeBron. Once Austin is back, the ask of 35, if you need that from someone beyond Luca, the ask is more reasonable of Austin than LeBron.

Starting point is 00:25:17 100%. But I also think just from a capability standpoint, night in and night out, I would say Austin at this point is more that guy. but now you're slotting everybody gets bumped down and you have your bench combinations you're going to see two of the three of those guys on the floor a lot it's going to make Rui better in that sixth man role it's going to make LeBron more effective in that sort of you know playing with that bench role which he had like people complain a lot about his plus minus most of his plus minus when it gets really really negative that's just because Luke is not on the floor And anybody who plays when Luca is not on the floor is going to suffer.

Starting point is 00:25:58 Well, it's interesting, though. I mean, you are. I was going to say, you are correct. For a while, though, the plus minus for LeBron suffered because he and Luca together were not working. Correct. No, yeah. Again, it's not the only reason, but it makes a difference. When you play with units that struggle to score and you go through these stretches where it's really, really difficult to defend.

Starting point is 00:26:20 It's just like everybody's numbers get skewed. and the Lakers had been suffering offensively without Luke on the floor, sometimes with him. But Austin's return is going to make Jake Laravia better. It's going to make D'Andre Aiton, who we should talk about this week. We'll see how he plays in Chicago. Jake Laravia, too, we should let people know he's questionable for the game against the Bulls. Quad contusion.

Starting point is 00:26:47 We shall see if he plays. If he doesn't, that means officially no Laker will have played 80. two games this year because Jake is the only guy who's played in all of them. It'll also be interesting to see if he doesn't play what happens with the starting lineup. Again, I would prefer JJ find somebody else other than Rui, just because I would like to keep that continuity. Yeah, but you never know. Yeah, you never know. And JJ might feel like I really don't have a better option, but I would like to see that continuity continue with Rui. Hopefully Jake can play problem solve. But like it's just, you know, everybody gets to be in there in a role that is more

Starting point is 00:27:29 suited to what they need offensively. And the Lakers just don't have a lot of guys that you really want to be a position to rely on offensively outside of that big three. And the exception to that is Rui. And it's another reason, like you say, I would include Aiton. I would include Deiardyton is supposed to be. I would include Aiton except it's the only reason I don't. Like, you know, I'm willing to kind of flush the game from the other night. He was around the basket. He missed. He has not been as good over the last month, which is something we can we can talk about. But, you know, he's also had some good games. The only reason I don't include him in the same way is that he is so dependent on sort of the functioning of the rest of the offense to get

Starting point is 00:28:20 the kinds of shots that he's thrived with. Rui, I think, is a guy who you can do sort of more that he can spot up and shoot. You can drop it at the post. He can get it in the mid-range. It's just, you know, and he can do a few more things, you know, himself. I agree. You know, Aiton is like that, but he's also like, you know, the number of shots. I just mean he's supposed to be on that list. I mean, you could say the same thing about Rui for a month or so, they forgot he was on the team. So I put Rui in the exact same class

Starting point is 00:28:56 with Aiton when it comes to a dependence on the other three guys dictating his own offense. I can see you're saying. He's only going to, in a lot of ways, he's only going to be as productive as the other three guys allow him to be. So we'll see, I think these, like these next few games, we'll see what, you know, once Austin comes back, I, you know, he will absolutely. beyond a minute's restriction when he does. But like once they see and you can start to see the contours of what this is going to look like when he gets back, who's going to play with who, and and all that. This will be the moment where we see like, okay, just how threatening is this team.

Starting point is 00:29:38 Because I know everybody they've been playing is missing guys and this and that, whatever. The Lakers, it has become very clear, need Austin Reeves. if he's not there, it puts stresses on places in their roster that really cannot afford to be stressed. Well, it's also, though, going to be, when you were saying before, like, how dangerous can this team be? Like, what really is the realistic ceiling for this group? Like, you can land on an answer, but the timing of Austin's return in a lot of ways, I think, will dictate what they decide. to do about it because if say he comes back one game before the trade deadline, like the Lakers actually play on the trade deadline. It's against Philly, I believe, on whatever that is,

Starting point is 00:30:34 the fifth or the sixth. So they've lost a lot of opportunity, they've lost a lot of opportunity to really have a concrete understanding of what works best, what works worst, what's the best, what's the best way to address some of this beyond some of the things that are just obvious. Like, it's obvious they need more athleticism. It's obvious they need more speed. It's obvious they could use more shooting, more defense everywhere, but particularly along the wings or, you know, perimeter head of the snake type. Like, those things are all obvious.

Starting point is 00:31:10 But as far as deeper looks under the hood, like which floor combinations really work best, things like that, they've lost a lot of opportunities to gain information. And, you know, depending on when Austin comes back, it may require Rob to make more of what he might consider a blind leap into the deadline than he wants. It also could, I suppose, serve as his impetus not to do anything, like a convenient reason. So, and, you know, we're going to talk about this over the course of the week. I don't, there are a lot of people predicting Rob may not end up doing much at the deadline

Starting point is 00:31:52 because not much is going to be happening anyway with this team or otherwise. Yeah, that's what I mean, we'll talk about. Mark Stein wrote if you subscribe to his substack and you should. He had a, you know, his Sunday column is all about trade deadline stuff. And it's, it's, so much of what's going on in the league is,

Starting point is 00:32:10 is tied to these big names. And Janus and Jha, Jonathan Kaminga, who is not necessarily a huge name, but is integral to the discussions because if Golden State makes a move, it is certainly going to involve him. All of them are hurt. And so with injuries that are projected to take them past the deadline, and so that is going to have an impact on the trade deadline.

Starting point is 00:32:39 Yon is in particular. Yeah. What it is, it's hard to say, but it's going to have an impact. And so, you know, Rob's flexibility, certainly you can create scenarios where you say, like, he's going to have less things to do because there may be less activity as, you know, special, like you say, around Yonnas. People are trying to, you know, stay in the sweepstakes. You don't want to use up stuff you might need to use over the summer or whenever it might be.

Starting point is 00:33:05 But I mean, it's, it's funny too. Like, well, we can leave after this, but like even somebody like Drew Timmy, who, you know, I don't think it wasn't great in Dallas, but he's had some good moments. And if deployed even for 10 or 15 minutes, he doesn't solve the athleticism problem. He certainly doesn't solve the speed problem. He's really not solving your defense problem.

Starting point is 00:33:31 But his offensive skill set has shown itself to be really valuable for a group that has struggled to create decent shots. And so I say that mostly to your point of like, if you can find little ways to address some of these things, doesn't necessarily have to be with a groundbreaking move. One guy who adds a little bit of something to a place that they didn't changes the dynamic of the group. It's like you say with Rui,

Starting point is 00:34:07 if you put him with the right guys, it slots him in places that makes him a better player. So we'll see what happens. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else? No. Then I'll tell people that locked on Lakers on YouTube is where you know,

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