Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - How Fast Can New Ownership Change the Lakers? Are Luka and LeBron On Board?

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, everyone, welcome to Locked on Lakers for Friday. Brian Komenetsky, Andy Kaminetsky, the Lakers have new ownership coming in. How do the stars feel about it, especially Luca Dantzich? That is next. You are Locked on Lakers, your daily Los Angeles Lakers podcast, part of the Lockedon Podcast Network, your team every day. Thanks to everybody for making Locked on Lakers. First listen to every day, Monday through Friday,

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Starting point is 00:01:12 So we'll get to Luca here in a moment because obviously how he feels about his future boss, who one would think is relevant to whether or not he would be enthusiastic about signing that extension that everybody is expecting him to sign. So we will talk about that because Luca posted a little on social about this whole thing. So we'll get to that. But before we do, there's more kind of coming out and being explained about what exactly is going on here. And a lot of this coming from our friend Ramona Shelburne, she's done, you know, she was doing a lot of radio stuff today across 710 ESPN. The lady's doing this while literally covering the NBA finals.

Starting point is 00:02:01 Like she is shuttling back and forth from Oklahoma City and Indiana. Give Momo all the Pulitzer's, man. It affords plenty of downtime to be able to talk to people. That lady's working hard, man. So, but, you know, the, there is an interesting thing going on here where Jeannie Bus and the Laker and the bus family will not be primary owners of the team. It is estimated that, you know, almost 70%, maybe a little more than 70% of the team will be owned by Mark Walter in the Guggenheim group.

Starting point is 00:02:38 The bus family, the number I saw Andy today was about 15% or so. 16% give or take. I mean, I would say what's a percent here, what's a percent there? But for something that might be worth $11, $11, $12 billion, a percent isn't something to sneeze at. But we'll call it 15 percent just for the sake of discussion. I mean, the percent here really quickly. I mean, for the purposes of what Lakers fans actually give a bleep about, because I think the check that is going to be scratched out to all six bus siblings, most of our audience could not give a damn one way or the other. The reason the percentage matters, whether it's 15, 16, whatever, we're talking about the minimum required in order for Jeannie Bus to formally remain on as controlling governor of the team.

Starting point is 00:03:34 And that number is 15. Right. That's why it actually matters as opposed to what their cash out is going to be. Correct. They don't care. And so, you know, there I think is about 7% or so that are controlled by what I think most Lakers fans would call randoms. People who are immaterial to this discussion. And, you know, so I don't, I mean, I was.

Starting point is 00:04:04 kind of poking around today, see if there is an example of this, where the team's governor is not the majority owner. And I couldn't find one. It doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist. But I think what the Lakers are entering into is a very unusual era here where, at least for the time being, as Ramona is reporting, Jeannie Bus is going to stay on as the team's governor, even really by design, something that Mark Walter is not just comfortable with, but in Ramona's reporting at least, she believes, is something that he wants to see happen. And on the one hand, it is a lot because she understands the brand, the business is well run and all these other things. So fans might look at this and say, uh-oh, like what's really changing. But the flip side is, if you were to just focusing on the administration of a team, the running up at the business side, all these.

Starting point is 00:05:13 And you wanted to hire somebody to do those things. Jeannie Buss has as good a resume as anybody you're going to find. The business side of the Lakers and the marketing and the branding side of the Lakers has never been the problem. I'll be honest. I don't quite know what Jeannie is going to be doing. And I don't, right. And that's sort of what we're going to get to because that half of it isn't the part that fans really care about. Right. But the reason I say this is just because, I mean, even with somebody like Ramona, who's been as deep into the reporting and figuring out of all this as anybody, it still is not quite clear what that actually means. Like the thing that we know changes is despite whatever Jeannie Buss's title is whatever the role is fleshed out to be, she is by dead.

Starting point is 00:06:00 definition no longer of the ultimate shot caller in this organization because she is not anywhere close to majority shareholders. So I mean, that in and of itself is a major dynamic change, no matter what the title is, no matter if her title is really a thing of substantive job or pure semantics or somewhere in between, things have changed. Like people need to understand that. I get an impression, and again, it's purely an impression like everybody, we're figuring this out as we go. It seems like some of this is Mark Walter recognizing that Jeannie could be very helpful in transitioning everything that's eventually going to be the new permanent look. Because, like, for example, the draft and free agency is in like a few weeks, even if Mark Walter wanted to completely clean, house and get rid of everybody who works there and bring in an entirely new everything,

Starting point is 00:07:05 you cannot properly do that in three weeks. Right. Like that that would be an absolutely haphazard way to go about. Well, I don't know. First of all, I mean, just as a side of. I don't think any of this can actually, I don't think you can start doing stuff with Mark Walter as the owner until Mark Walter actually owns the team. I mean, Matt Ishbia was already dealing for Kevin Durant before he, before I even

Starting point is 00:07:28 think he had an office there. But I'm just saying, like, there's certain things, you know, like, they got, there are things that have to happen before Jeannie isn't actually in charge. The point being, even if he wanted to go completely ham with the makeover, you can't do that for what is most, the most pressing business anyway. Like, it is, it is not responsibly possible. So with that in mind, you might as well take a beat, you know, Mark, Mark, Mark, Walter has been around this organization for a while.

Starting point is 00:08:00 He was the next highest shareholder, not named bus. I imagine he's already been observing a lot. He had already formed some opinions because why wouldn't you, especially when you know you have the right of first refusal and you're the most likely person to own this team if it's ever sold. But I imagine he's going to take his time. He's going to see how some of the principles operate under his watch, as opposed to Jeannie's watch,

Starting point is 00:08:27 how they work as things, I imagine, start increasingly becoming more expanded and more collaborative, and then you make your, like, really big decisions from there. I think that you're getting here to one of the important aspects of this, which is speed. I think Lakers fans, over time, I think we're going to learn a lot over time.

Starting point is 00:08:57 you use the word, you know, the question, like, is this sort of a semantic question with Jeannie as the governor and who's in charge? Like, you know, she will remain running the Lakers and stuff like that. There's a lot of wiggle room in what that actually means because I don't think there's anybody who believes that the basketball operation is going to run exactly the same way. It's not going to run in exactly the way that the bus family has done. it. I don't even think it's going to run in the same way that the bus family would do it if they had, say, I don't know, a gillion percent more money to spend on all the stuff that they really haven't been spending money on over the last, you know, 15, 20 years. Things will culturally be different and all that kind of stuff. But there's a speed question here and a time question

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Starting point is 00:11:40 We'll get back to this question of timing here in a second, but it is worth pointing out that both Laker Stars have weighed in on this thing. And, you know, it matters if... But one publicly, one through reportedly. Yes. LeBron James, it is nice to know if LeBron James is on board, and reportedly he is, he is, he is.

Starting point is 00:12:02 But it doesn't really matter all that much because he's not going to be here for most of this transition from the bus family to Mark Walter. Who does matter, Andy, is Luca Donchich, because people are looking for any sign that this assumed extension with the Lakers might be in jeopardy. This ain't it. He enthusiastically endorsed new ownership. Yeah, he tweeted out, The Lakers are an amazing organization.

Starting point is 00:12:36 I'm looking forward to meeting Mark and excited about the future. I'm also grateful to Jeannie and the Bus family for welcoming to LA. And I'm happy that Jeannie will continue to be involved. I look forward to working with both of them to win championships. So to your point, Lucas seems thus far very happy and there are no reason whatsoever, at least so far, to believe that he will not at some point sign an extension that whether it's three years,

Starting point is 00:13:03 four years, five years, whatever. And every one to be. It will be exactly what he wants. And it will be for a lot of money. I mean, and look, this is one of those things when you look at the Lakers and what needs to change in terms of basketball operations. How they treat their stars is not necessarily one of those things. Like they have always done a good job of responding to what their stars are asking

Starting point is 00:13:27 for providing them the architecture. They want the flexibility to bring in a trainer to have, well, let's call it different rules for media and PR than say, Doreen Finney Smith or Dalton Connect. Like, you know, LeBron can do things a little bit differently. And, you know, Kobe. To be fair, LeBron actually is a pretty accessible super. He's very accessible.

Starting point is 00:13:50 I just want to make sure people understand that. LeBron is pretty available. Sure. But if they want their own. trainer. If they want their own, you know, they want their sort of own PR architecture and all these other things. That's what they've had. Kobe had, you know, people that handled him as much. And, you know, Kobe, you know, want a locker on each side of you? We can make that happen. Whatever it is. Like, the Lakers are good at that sort of thing. They are good at welcoming the families of their stars,

Starting point is 00:14:19 really all their players, but like, you know, particularly like treating those people well to make sure they want to stay. that doesn't necessarily need to change. So I can't imagine why Luca would look at this and be like same organization, same basic ethos about this stuff. I look over there and see what the Dodgers are doing and they seem to have a bunch of really happy stars and do really well. And the new guy is way richer than the old family that he's replacing. I can't figure out what the downside would be,

Starting point is 00:14:52 but it's still good to know that he's two thumbs up. Yeah, and we have not heard directly from LeBron and because LeBron is both so well known for weighing in on a lot of different things on social media, but also very calculated in what he says and does not say. I know from doing 710 ESPN earlier on Thursday with Travis Rogers filling in for DeMarco Farr that, you know, we talked about does it mean something that LeBron hasn't said anything? And what I basically said was it could, but I would caution before deciding that it's something bad. I would caution before reading too heavily into this. For what it is worth, the Dodgers have celebrated LeBron on a few occasions. They did a LeBron Bobblehead night. In 2020, LeBron and the Dodgers teamed up directly to create polling stations for the election at Dodgers Stadium.

Starting point is 00:15:51 And like there, there is no reason to believe that in terms of whatever is an established relationship between LeBron and the Dodgers, that it would make LeBron skittish. I do imagine, though, that LeBron is aware that the power dynamic in that organization for him has changed in a lot of ways, like beyond knowing that it is Luca's organization. like the idea of the series of open-ended one-plus-one contracts kind of in perpetuity as, you know, 50 mill a pop, the idea that that would automatically be okay without a discussion. I'm not saying it will or won't happen, but I think Mark Walter would be probably more willing to have a difficult conversation with LeBron about this than Geneo Rob would. I'm very confident that would be the case. If for no other reason, then it's a new thing now. And Mark Walter can still honor the history and tradition of this organization still treat the stars well without having, I think, some of the same emotional connection, but sometimes I think emotional paralysis that Jeannie Buss often goes through.

Starting point is 00:17:08 I get what you're saying. And I think there's certainly the latter part. And to be clear, it does not have to be hostile. still this does not have to be. Yeah, but I also, but I also think that is so far away from being a thing in terms of it. And here's a couple of reasons. First, there's just no indication that.

Starting point is 00:17:24 Sure. Any of that is a even mildly a thing, but also too, the timing issue and this gets to that. Like, they're not making it is very, one thing that is clear. Like nothing that is going to happen this summer, everything that was going to happen is going to happen the same way probably i mean i could imagine so it's going to you know they're going to pursue the same free agents the same basketball people are going to be making the basketball decisions they're going to be a i don't again i don't think there's going to be a lot of even noticeable change in the operation of stuff um who's making decisions what the basketball

Starting point is 00:18:08 department looks like and all these other things until there is an actual sale or the very very least until there's a date that the board of governors in the NBA can even vote on the thing. And, you know, Ramona reported on air on Thursday that, like, you know, they still got there's still lawyers and bankers and all these things going through the agreement to make, you know, before any of this stuff gets finalized. So the big thing that came from the conversations and some of the other reporting at the athletic and all this other stuff is, the change is going to happen, but it's not going to happen super fast. So, you know, I think the people who are making basketball decisions are making the same decisions for probably a year, possibly a couple. I think you

Starting point is 00:18:56 might start seeing signs that more money is being spent in certain places. It wouldn't shock me if the scouting staff, for example, started to get beefed up a little faster, maybe even preceding a sale and something like that, where it's like everybody kind of knows where the money's coming. or whatever it is, like stuff like that might start to accelerate. But in terms of basketball decisions and stuff like that, I just don't think the timeline of LeBron, given where he is, is going to be affected all that much by this change

Starting point is 00:19:32 because, I mean, probably not staying for more than, I mean, this year and maybe next year. Is he going to play for three years, four years, five? We'll see. And if he does stay, all I'm saying, I'm not, so it's clear to people,

Starting point is 00:19:48 because I've already seen it misinterpreted some in the comments. I'm not saying that Mark Walter would want LeBron out the door asep. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying the idea that this can be as open-ended as LeBron wants it, and it would just be accepted, I think it, I think is more likely with Jeannie as the ultimate shot caller than Mark

Starting point is 00:20:10 Walter is the ultimate shot caller. I think Mark Walter will be more likely. to say, we want you here. We need to be able to have more of a concrete plan for this, a concrete or closer to concrete endgame so we can properly build because, I mean, you've said, you've said this as well. It is very difficult to work within this setup. I don't know if LeBron continues to play at a high level. If LeBron's play falls off in any reasonable way, I'm not sure the Lakers will extend this thing, you know, indefinitely. But I also I mean, I also don't know how the Lakers will respond to LeBron if they would be like,

Starting point is 00:20:50 no, we're not doing a one-in-one. If he has a good season next year, you know, anyway, I don't, I think it's possible. I just, I don't think there's, it's a scenario for conflict that is to me so far down the road that I, I mean, I, you're obviously not that far down the road because it could. could become his next contract in a month. But regardless, I don't. Do you think, do you think that if LeBron comes in and says, I want to do a one in one? You can answer this after the break, I guess. But if you think LeBron says this deal, I want to do a one in one, the lake that

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Starting point is 00:23:12 Like you said, you know, that's, it's, because LeBron is making this choice soon. It's coming up pretty soon. that, you know, do you think that any, anything that has to do with LeBron's contract going forward, the one that he's picking up or not picking up or whatever this is going to be impacted at all by the ownership change? Like I said, I don't, I, it's pure speculation. I can, all I'm saying is I can picture Mark Walter asking more questions about how much longer do you think this is going to go? We need to have a respectful but more uncomfortable conversation because we need to have an ability to map out what we're going to be doing with Luca in his prime.

Starting point is 00:24:01 And this thing that is just sort of an ethereal loop where we don't know exactly when the money is going to be off the books. We don't know exactly how to plan for a couple years down the road, three years down the road because all these guys are looking ahead. And it is difficult to do that when it's essentially like a year-to-year lease. And obviously, LeBron is playing at a high level. And if the NBA was like baseball, I would say pay LeBron whatever the hell he wants. No, I, we've gone through all the arguments about why this is complicated. And there's no question that it is. All I'm saying is I think Mark Walter would be more likely to have a difficult conversation than Jeannie and Rob would.

Starting point is 00:24:46 Whether that's going to happen in three weeks, I don't know. and it's irresponsible of me to speculate it. All I'm saying is I imagine LeBron recognizes that that dynamic changes with Mark Walter. That's Sandy. I don't know. Anyway, there was some interesting, we had a lot of interesting conversations,

Starting point is 00:25:02 and there was sort of a running debate around a few places in NBA social media and NBA media broadly about how much difference this actually makes. And, you know, we had a conversation with one of our media colleagues just about who sort of downplaying this, basically because the, you know, the Lakers don't need the level of the same level of competence as other teams do because they have so many natural advantages. It sort of goes to these sort of Lakers exceptionalism idea, but like, you know,

Starting point is 00:25:41 players want to play here, stars force their way here or come by free agency or something like that. I think there's a lot wrong with the premise of the idea that even, you know, to what degree Lakers exceptionalism even exists. Obviously Anthony Davis forced his way here. Players have forced their way to a lot of different teams. There's a handful of teams that are sort of routinely the destination for this sort of thing. LeBron obviously signed here as a free agent. But other than that, I can't really think of any free agents that actually sign here, certainly not as a discount. And certainly not, you know, with the idea of like, you know, the Lakers just lured me here with their Laker stuff. The Lakers, to my understanding, I think you agree, Andy, have shot, have more often than not won and been successful in spite of rather than because of management.

Starting point is 00:26:42 I think management has more. I mean, certainly post-doctor Bus's passing. I mean, like, during, I guess, the glory days, the salad days, which, to be fair to even Mitch Cupcheck and Jim Bus, post-doctor Bus is passing, and now Rob Polinka, it's a very different NBA then. It was a much easier NBA for Dr. Bus who was at the time, one of the wealthiest owners, to swing his proverbial manhubial manhood. around through cash and, you know, through. God, there are so many one-liners that you could go over. Yeah, I'm not going to. Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 00:27:22 Just saying, they're all there. What the audience to understand that I recognize the opening and choosing not to go through it. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I just, I felt like I skid it out safely. But, like, this was a different NBA in terms of the cash that Dr. Bus has. had fewer limitations on the way you could spend it, a less constrictive CBA, a landscape where, you know, pre-social media, pre-NBA package, pre-athletes with their personal branding, like it really was much more important to your visibility to be a Laker, to be a Nick, to be a bull. It's one of the reasons we've talked about on the show a lot that the biggest problem, the All-Star game for the NBA will never overcome is the game doesn't mean what it

Starting point is 00:28:12 used to as a showcase. And that can't be fixed. So like they're operating in a in a different landscape right now. And, you know, in this new landscape, the idea of counting on, for lack of a better way of putting it, Lakers exceptionalism to paper over everything, to conquer everything. I'm not saying that being a Laker or owning the Lakers doesn't have some inherent advantages because it does. But by definition, over the last 15 years, they don't solve everything. because Lakers have spent most of that time either getting bounced in the first round or missing the playoffs altogether. And I will even say that, and look, I mean, LeBron could have gone to the clippers, I suppose,

Starting point is 00:28:59 but like the, I don't even know if they had the cap space to do it. I really understand my point. Like, LeBron wanted to go to Los Angeles. There's only two choices. There are two choices for that. And so, yes, the Lakers benefit by being in Los Angeles. But if LeBron, you know, if more entertainment-based stuff was based in New York, LeBron could be a Nick.

Starting point is 00:29:18 Like, you know, it's like, and so in that sense, they're lucky, and that is an institutional advantage. Anthony Davis said, I want to go to L.A., in part because LeBron was there and all that. So, like, yeah, there are times when it comes in handy. But I would say if I had to choose between the stereotype of Lakers exceptionalism, all these advantages that the Lakers have versus saying that it, it's a myth and it's BS. I'm closer to BS than I am the mythology because over the last 15, 20 years, like you say, it hasn't mattered. It certainly hasn't been a lot different than other

Starting point is 00:29:56 teams. Teams players have gone to Miami. They've gone to Golden State. They've gone to the Knicks. They've gone to different places at different times. And so I think the advantage is smaller, certainly than it used to be. But the big thing is, is even if it existed, 20 years ago, 30, I mean, 30, like you say, 40 years ago, it absolutely did. Showtime era and all that stuff. Even if it existed 40 years ago, 30 years ago, 20 years ago, even 10 years ago, the rules are such. Everything has been done to mitigate all of those advantages that the Lakers have. And so I would say the premium on competence has never been higher in the NBA.

Starting point is 00:30:38 So the Lakers might have a, you know, and this was a debate we were having, like using these terms, a higher floor than certain teams, although you and I did pre and post game for a lot of teams who showed just how low that floor can still be, even with the Lakers. Well, especially, I mean, the kids era, for example, had a lot of losing, but I think if that era had been run better,

Starting point is 00:31:00 you could have felt more confident about the direction that was being mapped out for the team. Like not all losses are created equally and not all losing errors. management means that their lows would be higher and their highs would be higher. Yes. And their highs would be more consistent. Yes.

Starting point is 00:31:20 The, you know, yes, the Lakers have won a title in the last, you know, in 2020. They won a title. They went to a Western Conference finals. But overall, like on a year-to-year basis. He shouldn't take that for granted, by the way. Of course not. And I'm not, you and everybody knows, we are not asterisk people. But it is worth noting that the title that they did win,

Starting point is 00:31:42 was under conditions that are absolutely not replicable in any other way ever again and never were, you know, were able to be templated before that. So like, namely the rest for like three months off. And, you know, and they were really good before that. They were in first. Yeah, they were great. It wasn't fluky. I don't, but I don't know if they're winning.

Starting point is 00:32:06 In the same situation with no COVID layoff, I don't know if they win that. I don't know if they win that title. There's an unknowable. My point is better competence, better work around the margins where the details of trades are better, where scouting is better, where all of these, where the coaching stabs are better,

Starting point is 00:32:29 all of this stuff would make it so the team performs at a higher level more consistently. And then you take the natural advantages that the Lakers have, And they get even better. That's what the Dodgers are. The Dodgers have tons of natural advantages. Most of the same, the baseball version of the same advantages the Lakers have. They combine location with wealth with competence. And that is why they've won division titles every year for the last like 600 years,

Starting point is 00:33:06 it seems like. There is, there's no world in sports. I would argue no industry period where competence doesn't become an advantage or that competence doesn't matter. If you want to say that the Lakers perhaps need that competence less than some other organizations, I think you and I would both argue, no, they don't. But let's just say even you think that they need it less than some of these other ones. Let's just grant that supposition. That doesn't mean that having it wouldn't matter. And the, I'll just say this, the idea that the Lakers will just fall ass backward into championships because it's ordained by the basketball gods who root Lakers,

Starting point is 00:33:50 and that's why Lakers exceptionalism exists, that is the mentality that has gotten this organization into a lot of problems. The idea that at the end of the day, we are the Lakers, mighty, mighty Lakers, details don't matter because we're the Lakers. Right. Like that is the worst. I mean, it's one thing I guess for fans to think or even some people who cover the league. I mean, I think they're dead ass wrong, but whatever. The problem is, and you and I know this because we've covered this team for a long time

Starting point is 00:34:24 and we've been reasonably close to it, there were people in the building who believed it. That's where it gets dangerous. All right. So lots to get into next week. We'll go into the weekend. We'll see what shakes out. We'll have an NBA champion by then. So a lot to think about the offseason officially begins for the NBA over the weekend and into Monday.

Starting point is 00:34:47 So lots to talk about then. Locked on Lakers on YouTube as we go hang out with over 35,000 subscribers. We will see everyone on Monday.

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