Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - How Should the Lakers Build Around Luka Dončić? Plus, LeBron Discusses His Future

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everyone, welcome to Lockedon Lakers for Friday. Brian Komeneski, Andy Kaminiske, LeBron James, talks about his future. Is he 100% committed to coming back next season? That's next. You are Locked on Lakers. Your daily Los Angeles Lakers podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Thanks to everybody for making Lockedon Lakers, first listen to every day.

Starting point is 00:00:31 Monday through Friday, no matter how where you get your podcast, this one's always free, never behind a paywall. And of course, Lockdown Lakers on YouTube is where over 35,000. and subscribers are all hanging out and having a reaction, Andy, to the show that we did about Janice Ante Cumpo for Wednesday, which we're going to do a little bit more follow-up on today, some interesting responses to that show. But Andy first, you know, I met a guy today stopped with my daughter.

Starting point is 00:00:55 We stopped at 7-Eleven to get her a slurpee. She loves those. So good dad that I am. And I met a guy in line and he was like, oh, you're a Cambrother, right? And I was like, I am. Nice to meet you. We're talking. Locked on Lakers.

Starting point is 00:01:06 Yeah, I was like, thank you for listening. And he's like, you know, you guys, I wish at this time of the year you guys should do some stuff unlike the rest of the league, like other things that are happening. And I swear to God, these are his exact words. I just can't talk about LeBron right now. Well, Yoni. Andy and I really appreciate you listening. It is great. I love that you stopped and said hello.

Starting point is 00:01:34 Wait, is this the Yoni that is often in the chats and stuff like? that? I don't know. I didn't ask him that. There's a Yoni that's a regular. He might be. I don't know. But if it is, my apologies, Yoni, you might want to come back in 10 minutes or so. Because LeBron James was talking about his own future on his

Starting point is 00:01:54 podcast. And we've all, we did a show actually, a couple shows about like what type of return would be best for the Lakers. Andy, we don't know 100% if LeBron actually is coming back yet. He has not made that determination.

Starting point is 00:02:10 Talking with Steve Nash, he said, I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but it's still something that he has not decided exactly what he wants for the future, still has to go over this with his family. I imagine, you know, there's also the question of his knee and healing up and all that different stuff. And look, the cynics will say that this is just LeBron trying to create headlines because he can't stand not being the story. story at all times in the NBA and the Lakers went fishing early. So therefore, this is how he keeps his name in the headlines.

Starting point is 00:02:47 But I will say it would not surprise me at all if LeBron isn't 100% sure about what he wants to do, just because it is getting harder for him to do this. Like we see this, even as LeBron is still playing at an astonishing level for somebody, in their 40s with this type of mileage, one of the things I've talked about where you know he's getting older is LeBron does not make it look easy anymore. Like even when LeBron is, you know, on one and he's dominating a quarter or whatever, you see the sweat now. You feel the effort in ways that LeBron in his prime, he would destroy worlds and it barely looked like he was sweating. LeBron is now working for this stuff.

Starting point is 00:03:38 It gets, by his own admission, harder to get up for it. I'm sure he has to think about just his situation with the Lakers or any other team across the league. And I know it's a running joke every time he says, you know, he's not sure about the future when the Lakers get eliminated. You know, it becomes almost a drinking game. But I do imagine that there is at least some degree of. you know, honesty and introspection in that I wouldn't blame him if he doesn't entirely know. I mean, honestly, I think it would be weird if he wasn't at least stopping to have the conversations. It's like, was it last year or the year before? I don't remember where he was he was saying, you know,

Starting point is 00:04:19 really not sure. Um, we have to think it over. It was not, it was when he had to come up with a new contract. I think it was, but that's almost every year. And I don't remember. But you and I were really among the only people. It was after 2023 when they lost in the Western Conference. Right. So two seasons. Yeah. Right. And so I was, you and I were like the only people who were like, no, I think he's legitimate. We expected him to come back. We surprised if he retired. But like you have to, we're at a point in the man's life where you have to take him at his word when at the very least he says he's got to go through a process. And you know, like I think last year, you know, especially with the prospect of you can't both simultaneously hang the prospect of retirement and. please draft my son over the organization at the same time. That's not necessarily a tenable position. But beyond that,

Starting point is 00:05:12 I think now that he has played with with brawny, I know people are talking about Bryce, but that feels like something that's much further down the road at this point is getting a lot less buzz. He's just, he's too old at this point not to have these conversations. And I think what every, the biggest thing,

Starting point is 00:05:32 that, and I tend to agree with this, that makes people think he is coming back. LeBron, I think to me, would like to have one more tour around the league. Lord knows the NBA wants the LeBron. Oh, I think the league is looking right now to try to find a way to get rid of the opt-out in his contract. They just want to make sure he has to, like,

Starting point is 00:05:59 if it's going to be his last year, the league wants to make sure, that they can milk the thing for all it's worth to say nothing of, I'm sure, the Lakers. You know, we talked about this some with Kobe a lot, too. It's like, would Kobe want that tour? Would he not? Oh, he just want the attention. And, you know, no, he wanted that last tour around the league.

Starting point is 00:06:17 He certainly earned it. And LeBron and LeBron has too. And I think most players want that kind of closure. I mean, I think the guys like Tim Duncan or whatever is sort of the exception to the rule that. Well, it's more just about, I think, for a lot of these guys, It's about how much do you truly enjoy the spotlight? With no judgment either way, Kobe loved the spotlight. LeBron loves the spotlight.

Starting point is 00:06:44 And again, there is nothing wrong with a guy loving the spotlight. As long as he gives you a reason for him to be worthy of that spotlight. Exactly. And clearly, LeBron and Kobe qualified. And what was really cool about Kobe, and there'll be a piece of this. when LeBron does his farewell tour. And I think this is why he will. Like if he comes back and he,

Starting point is 00:07:07 if he opts into his deal and it's just the one year, and I think it'll either become very clear quickly, that to me is the biggest clue that it might be his last season. If he, unless there's like right away instant noise, instant chatter from people who are well connected and putting it out there for reason that he wants to play one more year with the Lakers and retire in Cleveland or go back to Miami for another year or whatever it is. I think ultimately he retires a Laker, but if he took one more year in Cleveland,

Starting point is 00:07:40 would that shock anybody? No, I don't think it would. So Kobe, what was really cool about the farewell tour was you had 20 years of Kobe Bryant villain. Like just and like Kobe encouraging it, fans. And you go in, but it, you know, it helped the Lakers at that point. We're playing, to say the very least, consequence-free basketball. Like the Lakers coming into your building wasn't a threat to your organization. No, it was more of a promise.

Starting point is 00:08:15 That's actually kind of nice. You're like, oh, well, the Lakers are here. We might win. But it was this chance like getting kind of everybody put their. Believe they won 17 games that season. They were not good. They were not good. it was a season where everybody just could get into the appreciation aspects of all of it.

Starting point is 00:08:37 They could, after 20 years, give some respect to Kobe and appreciation and love for, like, his contributions to the game and their love of basketball, whatever might be, not just the Lakers fans who lived in those towns, but the actual fans of those teams. But also, Kobe could then show his respect to those fan bases, those cities and all that other It was just really cool. And like these, these create great moments for players for the league. I think it's something LeBron wants. The league will certainly encourage it.

Starting point is 00:09:11 So I think we'll know before he's done that it's over. So that he, I think he's, I'd be shocked if he didn't come back next year. I would be pretty surprised if he didn't come back next year. I said, though, when earlier in the week when we did that show about LeBron and I went through the different options for him, I said. that if he opts in, he simply, if he simply opts into this deal, my suspicion is that he will retire after this season. That was my read. Then it was my read. Now, one quick thing before we go to break in terms of another reason why I believe that LeBron is at least considering what he wants, and this isn't

Starting point is 00:09:50 just about dominating headlines. He said this is the first real knee injury he's had in 22 seasons. Like, you know, he's had his knees been banged up before he, uh, tendinitis. Tendinitis. Uh, the Patela has been hurt, stuff like that. But he's never had a C said, quote, a sustained knee injury. And that is one of those things that will put in perspective. Oh, wow. Like this really is a burden on my body because we talked about many times.

Starting point is 00:10:24 LeBron went for most of his career. Unfortunately, the portions that didn't include the Lakers. basically being a cyborg. Like that groin injury that he had his first season with the Lakers, it wasn't simply noteworthy because it ended up putting the Lakers playoff hopes in jeopardy. And after that, there was like a spiral of different guys getting hurt or whatever. It was just the first time we ever saw LeBron's real significant injuries ever had.

Starting point is 00:10:50 Yeah. And even I mean, like, it's crazy too. Like this knee injury, the first real knee injury of LeBron's career, Steph, this hammy pull. I think it's a hamstring, I believe that he, he pulled. It's his first muscle pull in like 20 years or whatever. It's like just some amazing numbers from guys with incredible durability. When we come back from the break, though, a little bit more stuff that LeBron said, including about the no subs game in game four, but also what

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Starting point is 00:12:59 it's like four to six weeks. LeBron acknowledged that his playoff was likely finished after that, even if the Lakers had finished out game five, actually winning and managed to beat the wolves in the rest of that series. The other thing that he talked about was game four. And the no subs play that JJ Redick made. And he said basically everything you would expect him to in the saying, you know, I didn't feel tired during the game. I didn't ask to come out. Nobody was critical. We all understood what JJ and the staff were doing. People weren't critical and so on and so on. He supported his coach. I mentioned this not to rehash the right or wrongness of it again, but to note, this thing is going to follow Redick around for a long time.

Starting point is 00:13:52 Like a very long time. Like the until JJ has like a really deep playoff run or seems to be pulling, you know, I have two or three series. in a row where he's pulling all the right levers. Fair or unfair, decision, you know, overblown or not overblown. This is going to be the thing that people talk about when he gets close to the playoffs again. Like, is he going to do that? He's going to, you know, like the sticking power of this, I think is going to be really, really strong. Doc Rivers has a championship on his resume.

Starting point is 00:14:29 And the thing people talk about more than his championship is, is 3-1 blown leads. And again, it is very... It happens all the time. Sure, sure. I'm not even saying people should. I'm just saying it's a small amount of coaches, even ones that stick around for a long time

Starting point is 00:14:53 that manage to win a championship. There are a lot of really good NBA coaches that never win a championship, some that never even make it to the finals. and Doc is one of the guys. He's won a championship. He's been to a finals another time. I'm not even saying people should ignore the 3-1 blown leads thing.

Starting point is 00:15:14 If for no other reason, then the jokes are hilarious. I'm just saying like even a championship has not taken that away from Doc. That's my whole point. Yeah. And it's, I, it is interesting to me like how narratives get built around players. Like, you know, Peyton Man, ultimately won Super Bowls, but like he was the guy who couldn't win until he did. Michael Jordan for a long time was the guy that was too selfish.

Starting point is 00:15:42 You know, he was just a ball hog and a score and you can't win with that guy. And so, you know, people are going like this wasn't. Dude, magic had rings and then he had one bad finals and he was referred to as tragic. And the guy had championship. Literally showed up in one ring. I um tough world man it really is what and the thing about it is too it's like you know coaches make for like darvin did stuff that frustrated lakers fans you know confounded observers periodically or whatever but like unless you're a really hardcore fan you probably don't remember most of like the

Starting point is 00:16:26 the pivotal coaching decisions that that darvin made or didn't made they remember you know the the whiteboard stuff and they remember um you know the post game press conferences where he you know you know refill our cups and that's a heck of a team over there and um and all of those things and you know it's a marathon not a sprint like all this calm down laker fans they're going to remember that one forever yeah um Laker fans need to settle down. Everybody needs to settle down. Like you don't remember that, you know, geez, you remember that time he did,

Starting point is 00:17:01 he put Rui in with three minutes. Like the thing about not subbing players in the second half, like I still believe that there isn't a really a material difference. If he had played LeBron the entire second half, put Jordan Goodwin in for 90 seconds of gameplay, for, I don't know, Luca and, you know, played Vanderbilt for a minute, two minutes for someone else. And so they all played 21 and a half, 22, 22 and a half minutes out of the 24, which is not an uncommon thing to have happened in the playoffs, to lean on guys to that level.

Starting point is 00:17:41 It would have been forgotten. The fact that he did something that had literally never been done, no subs. That is so easy to remember. something to stick to him. And also to his reaction to being questioned about it as well. And so that's, it's, whether he was right or wrong is kind of irrelevant at this point. The game was like two weeks ago at this point. We can't fix it. But it's a different kind of obstacle than coaches or players sometimes have in front of them

Starting point is 00:18:19 because it's a tangible. easy, clear, hyper memorable thing to point to. And so it, every time, you know, and players are going to consistently be asked about it. So anyway, moving on to Janus here. And we can, we can carry this over into the, the next segment. We talked to Andy a lot about this trade rumor. We made it very clear that the odds of Janus coming to the Lakers are very low, even while it actually is plausible that Janus could leave Milwaukee. That part of the rumor construction actually makes some sense. The coming to the Lakers part doesn't.

Starting point is 00:19:02 But one thing we didn't get to, and I think a couple of people talked about this in the comment section, but like it's starting with things like, is Janus with Luca a good idea? Like, does that work? Does that combination work? And, you know, my thinking is it's a little clunky in what they do, but Janus is just so good. and Luca is just so good that you don't turn down the opportunity to get maybe one of the only players who's actually better than Luca because you're worried about fit. You just go get it and you hope those guys figure it out. But the larger question about team building is very relevant

Starting point is 00:19:43 because you're going to have to think about, well, player X, he's really good, but is he a good fit? Well, if he's as good as Janus, it may not matter. But what if you're a step below, Janus or two steps below. But you mean like the rest of the league? Basically. Every other player. Right. Who is?

Starting point is 00:19:59 Well, not Yokic. Right. 99% of the league, basically if we're talking about not acquiring Yokic, Yonis, or Shea. Right. Essentially. Like, this is really hard work because the Lakers. And, okay.

Starting point is 00:20:19 The Lakers are in a position. where they need to build a winning team that is centered around Luca. Nobody disagrees about that. But the how and the who is TBD and very tricky. And the Lakers are going to be doing it from a position where they don't have a ton of assets to work with. So let's get into that next. Locked on Lakers is brought to you by Amazon Fire TV. Did you know your Fire TV is also an Xbox?

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Starting point is 00:22:00 Max, first and second gen, and fire TV cube third gen. Depth, I think, Andy, it's fair to say, is sort of experiencing a renaissance in NBA circles. People are talking a lot more about depth and mattering more in the playoffs. Certainly the Lakers, at the very least, JJ Redick felt were hamstrung by a lack of depth, not just at center, but certainly starting there. So when the Lakers start to build out the team around Luca, LeBron's got a year, a couple of years left. I think he's, I think he's going to play two and then be done,

Starting point is 00:22:41 but I could be wrong. How do you, how would you look at trying to put a team around Luca? Because you are going to want a second, it doesn't have to be a superstar in Lucas level, but they had Kyrie to go with him in Dallas. You need a number two, but you also need to make sure you're kind of filling out a roster that works with the right kind of role player.

Starting point is 00:23:11 I mean, there's a few questions at play here. First of all, the question of what LeBron does is a very big piece of this because he is, unless he is opting out to take, a significant pay cut. You're talking about one or two more years at 50 plus apiece, which in a cap sport, that is not that LeBron doesn't bring things to the table, it brings a lot. But when you are talking about trying to build around really a different player in Luca, LeBron's salary complicates things. I don't care how. I think it's interesting. You focus on almost all the time when you talk about this issue, you don't really focus on the player. You focus on the dollars.

Starting point is 00:23:57 Yes. I mean, this is, this is in a lot of ways of math equation. But anyway, you have to think about the sort of special situation with LeBron. You need to be frankly having a really hard conversation about how good is Austin Reeves? Because Austin is the guy that moving forward could be a part of this for several years with Luca. I know we plan on having a deeper dive into Austin. next week, both as a player and as a potential partner with Luca. But that's a big piece of this because Austin is arguably the best trade piece that they have. And he is also going to be coming up for an extension, if not this offseason, the season

Starting point is 00:24:39 after that. And he ain't going to be a bargain anymore. I'm not saying he's going to be overpaid necessarily, but he ain't going to be a bargain. That's a big one. But I think as far as, without getting to specific players, I think you need to be looking with Luca. What are the biggest weaknesses in his game or the things that need to be offset the most? How do you go about doing that?

Starting point is 00:25:03 I would think you would want to find a running mate for him, like a second best player that's a two-way player. I think that would be extremely helpful. I would look for a star or a budding star that plays both ways because Luca is going to be out there for, you know, 35, 40, 40 plus minutes a game. And as much as you and I both think, at least as a Laker, his defense has not been nearly as bad as advertised, he ain't a plus defender. And his defense is something that's going to need to be accounted for.

Starting point is 00:25:35 He doesn't elevate a defense, even if I think he doesn't necessarily destroy one. From there, though, I think you need to be thinking about ways to add athleticism. And I think you really do need to have not just a lob catching big, like a rim running big, but you need a lane protecting. were in, lane protecting big as well, in part because of some of the, frankly, defensive issues or defensive questions that you have with Luca and you want somebody back there protecting him, which might even allow Luca to play a little bit more aggressive defense if he's got

Starting point is 00:26:10 something there. The tricky part here is, you know, when you talk about like the better the player that you can try to put with him, you know, a young two-we- budding star. Those are really hard to get. Like you got to either draft one or be able to trade for one that's trying to leave somewhere or have Nico Harrison go be the GM somewhere else, I guess, that has a player like that.

Starting point is 00:26:38 Give it time. And I don't think he's going to be quickly rehired places, but I could be wrong. You know what I'm saying? like the type of player time. So that's where you get into well made is what's more important having a really ideal high-end young number two that's like a, you know, a two-way player, a center that, you know, has a long runway or a true three-and-d kind of wing or, you know, explosive shot-making wing who can play a little defense. see a young Paul George type player you have something like that um that's going to require most of your capital to go get leaving you very little to acquire players three four five six seven eight nine ten you know say so like the lakers may have some really hard choices to make

Starting point is 00:27:40 about um about how to get that next star because what you do not want to do it's one thing to go for Janus right now. He's got a couple of years left. He's got a pretty good injury history. He's still performing an incredibly high level. We talked about the Bill Simmons plan to destroy the Lakers in perpetuity. Yeah. By, you know, the Sixers, you know, dangled Joe L. M. Bade out there.

Starting point is 00:28:07 And, like, you take on that contract because he's the show. Well, the way Bill presented this, it was actually the Lakers being proactive. Like, they were trying to sell Philly on, on, on, on, on, uh, getting them out of jail. Right. And I go again, I go back to your premise of everything Bill does is designed to ultimately hurt the Lakers, which is fine, respect it. Sure.

Starting point is 00:28:30 You know, I mean, he's suffering right now and that's good with the Celtics losing. That's the trap. The trap is the aging star. I think the biggest change in the CBA that we're going to see, like Austin Reeves, we'll talk about it next week. Austin Reeves is going to be a great test case for this sort of thing. I do not think that teams are going to be as willing to just sign the star. We have to re-sign our star.

Starting point is 00:29:03 We have to go trade for Damian Lillard. We have to go, I think the numbers and the years and most importantly, the health of these players, as they get older, you know, the acquisition of 30-something-year-old, players. I think it's just going to fundamentally change a league. So teams like OKC, I don't think you're necessarily going to see this run where they take all of their 800 picks and put them in to go get star X and star Y. I think what you're going to see a lot of is teams like OKC using their picks that they hoard to replenish spots three through seven on a roster. know, three through 10. And so they let, you got a tough decision to make about Lou Dort or, you know,

Starting point is 00:29:54 pick some players on that roster, Cason Wallace, who's done some good stuff for them. And instead of signing Casein Wallace to big money, you rely on your scouting department to go draft you the next one. I think you're going to see a lot of teams start doing that. Speaking of that, really quick, and it's actually in my notes, I wasn't sure when or how I was going to bring this up. But because we are talking centers, I don't think. think if I had to guess this is going to be an off season approach or solution for the Lakers just because he is still under team control for one more season at about two-ish mill. So it's just too, it's too inexpensive for the thunder to part ways with. But for the summer of 2026, when the Lakers have potentially more flexibility and optionally, I know where you're going.

Starting point is 00:30:44 I am earmarking Jalen Williams as someone to keep an eye on, because whenever they do give him a shot to play, he's awesome. And assuming the core is kept together for this thunder, he's a prime we can't afford to keep him, guys. So I'm just, note the date May 8th or 9th, depending on when you're listening to this, Jalen Williams, the center, center Jalen Williams with Thunder is the guy that I am already keeping my eye on.

Starting point is 00:31:17 In the meantime, though, and I thought about it's like you say, he's like posted like, he had a stretch where like, you know, it doesn't play a ton for that team. But then when they sat all their starters and to rest guys, he had like four straight triple doubles. Yes, no, he's. So I need to find, we need to talk to, you know,

Starting point is 00:31:33 locked on Thunder. Yeah. Rylum's Rylen or talk to Rylen and find out what, like what are we missing here? But yeah, he's, but it's names like that that I think are going to potentially be available to the Lakers where they have to find the surplus on other teams, the spurs, you know, the, even like the nets are eventually going to have too many guys.

Starting point is 00:31:56 Like some of these teams like that that aren't even good now, but have a ton of young players that they're not going to be able to pay. Speaking of young players and one who has gotten paid, and maybe we can tease this for Monday, something for all of our listeners and viewers to think about, you can leave comments, would you do this? Would you be interested in making this type of deal? The folks over at Bavada in thinking about Jalen Green, the Houston Rockets, very, I would say, erratic.

Starting point is 00:32:33 But mercurial. Right, yes. His performances, both in the playoffs and all throughout the regular season, all over the place. former second overall pick, and someone that you can see at least what is interesting about him, and he's very young, there is some thought that he could end up on a different team next season for a variety of reasons. And folks over Bavada have Los Angeles Lakers as the betting favorite if Jalen Green plays for any team other than Houston next season. Jalen Green, very young, super athletic, at times a very good, even occasionally efficient score, other times all over the place.

Starting point is 00:33:23 Is he somebody that if you're the Lakers and you don't have a lot of access to young talent, you would potentially take a chance on trading for someone like Jalen Green, who I believe is going to be owed 30-ish mill for, next few seasons. It's got a contract extension kicking in. We will save that. That's something for everybody to chew on over the weekend. We'll see everyone on Monday.

Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - How Should the Lakers Build Around Luka Dončić? Plus, LeBron Discusses His Future

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