Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Is It Time for the Lakers to Trade Austin Reaves?

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Starting point is 00:00:47 Use code locked on MBA at monarchmoney.com for 50% off your first year. Of course, they're not just talking about Monarch money over on the YouTube channel. It's also time to take stock in the roster and how it can be improved. And Bill Plashke at the Times wrote a... column when did that thing publish it was may 11th which was this weekend yeah he's sunday um so and in it it was basically the idea was that it is time to trade austin reeves not because he's a bad guy because he's bad player but because the lakers need to if they're going to get better and uh you know this um we both love bill every once in a while we feel

Starting point is 00:01:32 he can get a little emotional about stuff uh but this in in terms of what Bill is talking about in this column is well aligned with what a lot of Lakers fans are talking about. Reeves had a terrible playoff, a terrible five-game series against Minnesota. And this question of whether or not he works if he's good enough. I mean, there's a thousand different ways to break this down. But Bill's talking about something that Lakers fans are talking about too. Yeah, this is just part of Bill's piece, quote, Boston Reeves is the Lakers third best player.

Starting point is 00:02:09 They're going to have a difficult time winning a championship. If he's in their big three, they don't have a big three. This is absolutely not to place blame on Reeves for the loss to Minnesota. He was just a small part of everything that went wrong. But unlike some diva stars from other losing teams, he boldly and publicly acknowledges Role of McCarnage. Quote, obviously, I didn't have the series I wanted to have. Reeves told reporters in his exit interview after the playoff series, you can point the finger

Starting point is 00:02:34 at me. I really don't care. I wasn't good enough to help us be successful, and I wish it could have done more, but I didn't. I struggled. You live and you learn. Problem is, this is back to Bill's voice. He can't learn to get taller or learn to be more athletic or learn to fit into an offense

Starting point is 00:02:48 in which his strengths and weaknesses mirror those of Donchich, who needs a more complimentary piece. And this actually dovetails into, we had put out a call for folks to leave questions for us in the post section of the use. YouTube channel. There's a post that I left for everyone to leave us different questions that we want to use over the course of the offseason, make sure that we're addressing some of the things that are on your mind. And we got a few questions about Austin Reeves and on like pretty quickly. Did not take it all quickly, but also speaking to how this can be a complicated question because it went to both sides of it from Randiculous 310 seeing a lot of discreet. course about Austin being redundant next to Luca and he should be traded for a center. I am highly against this as I believe his current contract is invaluable. Plus he's young and his steady improvement shows he could potentially develop into an All-Star alongside Luca when LeBron retires. Austin is a special player and I don't think he's now simply trade

Starting point is 00:03:52 bait for a center because Luca came on board. Could you do a show on this topic? Yes, ridiculous we can. Then from Ryan Ilius 8-819, hey Cambrose, I think it's time for us Laker fans to have an honest conversation about the ceiling of a Luca AR back court, given their potential shortcomings defensively, assuming AR cashes in next summer for a four-year deal with an estimated AAV of 27 to 32 million. Could the Lakers realistically build around those two as the back court in the new apron world? And Jimmy James 24 saying that teams need second playmaker, right now we have three. One will retire soon. Austin will be more valuable after LeBron, and this is, I think, a really interesting question in and of itself, is next year a

Starting point is 00:04:39 write-it-out season unless a second playmaker is brought back in a trade. So a lot of different questions swirling around this team that in one way or another are connected to Austin, whether directly, tangentially, a little bit of both. He is going to be an interesting conversation point of this offseason. Yeah, and the place I want to start with him is this question just, you know,

Starting point is 00:05:07 there's something I disagree with in Bill's framing here, and I think he was trying to be fair to Austin. And it's a really good column. Go read it at the Times, times. Times.com, pick up the paper, whatever you do.

Starting point is 00:05:24 But I think he was actually trying a little too hard to be fair to A.R. because he says Reeves was like a small part of why the Lakers lost. Disagree. It was a huge part of why the Lakers lost. He was arguably the biggest reason on an individual players, in my opinion, on an individual player basis, the person who underperformed most relative to the need the Lakers had for that player.

Starting point is 00:06:03 Luca, LeBron didn't score enough in fourth quarters. Were they perfect? Absolutely not. Luca got sick. That didn't help. Well, you know, LeBron's fourth quarters were well documented, but he still averaged whatever it was, like 25, 8 and 7 or something in the series. The idea that LeBron had a bad series,

Starting point is 00:06:26 I think is overblown by a lot. AR had a bad series. Yeah. It was just bad. There's a difference between, as you noted, not with LeBron, LeBron did not do everything that was needed of. And ultimately, that's on LeBron. There are expectations for him to meet as well,

Starting point is 00:06:50 expectations for Luca to meet as well. And it became a need as well, too. It's like, you know, in theory, LeBron shouldn't have to carry you through or four, but like he just wasn't able, but like there's a difference between 15, 20 points every fourth quarter and seven. Can you give me six? Like, you know, it just though the biggest efficiency LeBron had in that series was fourth quarter scoring. He did a lot of stuff well, but they needed some fourth quarter scoring. Yeah, I think on balance all three of the Lakers.

Starting point is 00:07:24 theoretical big three. None of them did as much as was needed, clearly, because the Lakers not only got bounced in the first round, they got bounced in five games, a few of which were not even particularly competitive. So clearly, you can't look at any of them and say that they did quote unquote enough. But I think LeBron and Luca came much closer to what the expectations were of them, even if they fell short, then Austin, who was just far below the expectations. And it raises an interesting question with Austin about whether or not the playoffs, quote, unquote, exposed him in some way. Because like the optimist with Austin would say that a combination of the toe issue that he was having that was unknown till after the playoffs. Which to his credit, he didn't say a word about during the playoffs.

Starting point is 00:08:22 Right. And I don't believe that this is. is a made up excuse being floated by Austin's camp. I think it is. Austin is pretty, I think he's pretty transparent, but also he's pretty hard on himself. And if, frankly, if he thought he just bleep the bed, he would just say, I bleep the bed. I don't think he would message.

Starting point is 00:08:44 Right. My point being, I don't think he would message this as a way of getting people off his ass because frankly, it's not going to work anyway. But the combination of. of this toe. As we talked about before, Luca and LeBron consistently being their best cells, which has a trickle-down effect to everyone else, including Austin, and Minnesota's roster with all the rangy athletic defenders, like that have at times throughout the season, given Austin issues, that could be the worst cocktail possible, where if those things don't

Starting point is 00:09:18 happen, Austin looks more like himself. And, you know, case and point during the regular season, Austin, especially as it went along, won plenty of matchups involving those type of defenders. The pessimist, though, would say that the playoffs showed that if you have an entire series to scheme against Austin, who is now clearly much higher up as a priority on your scouting report, he will not be able to overcome his inherent limitations athletically and where he is right now as a player, particularly if you have a team of defenders that at times over the season has been as kryptonite. And, you know, the truth may be somewhere in the middle, but being in the middle may not be an acceptable answer for what you're trying to do. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:05 And it's, you know, if you go back to the Denver series last year, you know, a series where the Lakers, you know, again, lost in five. Some of those games were closer. It was. Yeah, it was. They still lost in five. beaters. You know, he had, you know, I've know, to parse every single game, but he had, you know,

Starting point is 00:10:28 two pretty bad games and three decent ones. You know, it's like he wasn't terrible in last season's playoffs. And, you know, if he kind of keep going back, he had moments in, in all of it. But I think when, after the break, there's two things about this that I think are important. And you're really talking about, you're talking about the question of,

Starting point is 00:10:57 did he get exposed? Like there's the basic talent, and there's the fit. And, okay, three things. And there's the money. All three of those things are incredibly relevant to answering. I got a fourth thing. I'll add to it when we get back as well.

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Starting point is 00:12:53 Keep cooking. Oh, dear God. That was cooking. All right. Plus, I have no idea what your order was, so it doesn't matter. Just go. I don't either. I mean, look, there's, look, I think let's start with the first question.

Starting point is 00:13:05 Was Austin Reeves exposed? No. I think that's, I think that's too much. I think that is, you know, the Lakers ran into, like you say, a particularly challenging matchup where, you know, the wings that Minnesota was able to throw of the switchiness of the deal. It's a really good defense. I think AR could have run into trouble against Oklahoma City.

Starting point is 00:13:35 They have so many players. But you know what? Oklahoma City held Denver on Sunday to like 85 points. Like, you know, they've had some dominant defensive performances against a good Denver team. I think this is a time of year where to some degree a lot of players get exposed. Mason Tatum struggling in the Eastern Conference right now.

Starting point is 00:13:59 Like, you know, certain, you know, certain things happen that both with stars and not. Shea's been kind of up. So it's not just a guy like Reeves, you know, Yokic has had three games in a row where he hasn't been able to shoot the ball. And I'm not trying to compare Reeves to those guys. I'm just saying that even with Tatum SGA and Yokic, where I would push back is the body of work of all three of those. of them is much longer and much better.

Starting point is 00:14:28 Of course, but my point is that the playoffs become difficult for everyone. It is much more frequent for guys to be worse than their normal statistical output on a night-to-night basis in the playoffs than it is for them to be better. And for, you know, guys to maintain it, like, you know, superstars to maintain it, He's really impressed. He's playing the best players with shorter rotations on the best teams every night. Sure. So, no, I think, you know, Reeves did a lot in this, you know,

Starting point is 00:15:07 things. Bill had this in his column. There are 11 players in the NBA, 11 other players in the NBA who averaged 24.5 and 5 and a and basically six assists. Reeves was one of 12 players in the league. who put up those kinds of numbers. He's the only one, and he's the fourth youngest player on that list.

Starting point is 00:15:31 So no, I don't think he was exposed. I think he was only exposed if you think that he was going to play always. So I had very high expectations for AR in this series. I believed he was going to play better. I factored that into my prediction that he was going to play better. And the minute he didn't play better,

Starting point is 00:15:59 I knew my prediction was in deep, deep trouble. But what I am unwilling to say is that his performance in this series means that he can't perform in any series. I don't think this says that Austin Reeves is DeAngelo Russell, a guy who's going to be pretty good for you in the regular season, disappear in the post.

Starting point is 00:16:22 I don't think that's what this means. I do think, though, that there are two other huge questions here. Fit is a massive one. And is Reeves, even if you think that LeBron, Luca, and ARs, a trio with a lot of potential, is he the most important part that they can get to make a fit of your three best players? That I'm not so convinced about. Like Bill's talking about centers. You can make an argument about wings, power forwards.

Starting point is 00:16:58 There are a lot of positions that you could say the Lakers could use more of, especially while LeBron is still on the roster. Really quick, just on that question of Austin being exposed. I don't know if he was so much exposed because I don't think that the player we saw in the regular season was some type of fraud, you know, like the last three or four months. And Austin, you know, even as the resident host of this podcast, who has been skeptical is the wrong word because I've always acknowledged. Austin's a really good player,

Starting point is 00:17:30 but skeptical that he could reach a legitimate level of third best player on. Right. That's right. The people, you know, the bar that people are putting him at is not a good player. It's right. Essentially all-star caliber, you know. There are a lot of people there well before me. I mean, almost everybody that I know who covers this.

Starting point is 00:17:53 team or frankly even covers the NBA has been there before me. I had reached that point by you know, March or so of the season thinking that Austin could get there. Seeing it in the playoffs, I wonder if he's actually in reality somewhere between a three and a four as far as third or fourth best player, like a three point five. I mean, it might be very matchup dependent because even if he wasn't exposed, all of the concerns that you had theoretically about Austin's weaknesses as a player, they all got roasted during this series. So at the very least, the concerns about what would happen, and I will admit, neither you or I gave enough thought to the idea of what happens to Austin if he's facing a team filled with the type of defenders that are given in

Starting point is 00:18:46 trouble. I think in my particular case, it had been because he had had enough success during the regular season against a variety of those type of defenders, maybe not winning the matchup every time. But like not all, not all of the problems were based on Minnesota. He missed, you know, shoot around threes in this series, standing by himself, nobody near him, not being being rushed by the defense. He just, he was out of rhythm and out of sorts. But I think that played a role in him getting out of rhythm and out of sorts. I mean, maybe, but I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:19:26 I'm like, you know, the, the parts where he's struggling, like to put, get by like a Jaden McDaniels or something like that, put the ball on the floor, get there. I do think in the, in the postseason players who are contact, I don't want to say contact dependent, because that sounds. He is contact dependent to some degree. Guys who. So is Shea Gilgis Alexander. So it's not a knock on off.

Starting point is 00:19:54 Right. And Shea, and he was the guy I was going to go to next. Like, if getting to the line is a big part of your game and drawing calls and drawing files, that is a, it's a harder way to go, it's a harder way thing to do in the postseason. So that becomes a bigger problem if you can't beat these guys off the dribble.

Starting point is 00:20:14 Right. That becomes a problem where you're not getting, a call that you might have gotten some of the time during the season, which helps make up for some of the points of the shots you're missing. So, yeah, I mean, I just, I think there was more going on here than just couldn't put, because like when he had wide open shots, he couldn't hit him either. Right. And I would like to know how injured he was, but he was bad.

Starting point is 00:20:40 But I think a different team with a slightly different offense, the Lakers offense, being as stagnant as it was, did Reeves no favors. Of course. And, you know, the lack of a center, did Reeves no favors? But I just think the question becomes, even before you get to the money, just on a straight player basis, is Reeves the most, is what he brings as high a priority as a big rebounder in the front court or a, you know, know, a really good center or something like that.

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Starting point is 00:24:22 So there was one you wanted to jump in with, Andy. Well, the idea of the Lakers need to upgrade their roster. That was made abundantly clear in a bunch of different ways based off the way things ended in the postseason. Rob Polinka was pretty aggressive in talking about the moves that they need to make. He went out on a limb. I thought that was unusual for Rob in predicting that it was going to be actually a very active offseason and that the Lakers would be in the middle of it because if it turns out he is wrong on either

Starting point is 00:24:59 count, people are going to be angry. But there's a lot that needs to be done. Center, I think is at the top of the list. But there are other areas as well. And if the Lakers want to get really serious about the upgrade, it could come down to a question of trading Austin Reeves. And like, for example, in Bill's piece, he said, quote, if they have even a minuscal chance of acquiring Janus Anta Cumpo, any deal would have to include Reeves. Editor's note, they don't. If they want Joel and deed, Rees has to go.

Starting point is 00:25:34 Editor's note, that's a terrible idea, Bill. They should. Don't even write that down, Bill. Yeah, I get where you're coming from, Bill. You're not wrong. Don't write it down. Yeah, terrible idea. They could probably get Nick Claxton without Reeves in the deal,

Starting point is 00:25:47 but don't they need to do better than Nick Claxton? And Nick Claxton will be a side conversation, I'm sure for many podcasts down the road as we start identifying big man targets and Nick Claxton has been very logically linked to the Lakers. but the question of who will actually be available and then how getable they could be for the Lakers really may come down to the question of, will the Lakers include Austin Reeves or not? I think that's the point.

Starting point is 00:26:20 It's like if you can acquire, I do not think you would want, what you don't want to do is sell on Reeves. I want to get to the money yet. But you want to sell on Reeves to improve a place that seems like more need but to get a lesser player. I don't think that's, I don't think the need is so overwhelming

Starting point is 00:26:47 and I certainly don't think that Reeves, again, going back to the previous conversation, was exposed to the point where you just don't mean, like, he can't be relied on the playoffs. Well, I mean, are we sure that the, you know, a lower caliber center, even though you really need a center more than you may need Reeves specifically.

Starting point is 00:27:07 Is that a guy being any better for you? So we'll see. But what I do think, if you can acquire a player of equal caliber at a position of greater need and add more balance to the roster, then I think you've got to think about it. And, you know, that is purely on a basketball. roster composition thing. What works better for you with a team that is built around Luca? And it's not that Luca and Reeves didn't have any success or didn't have moments where

Starting point is 00:27:48 they played well and all that kind of stuff as a combination out on the floor. But it doesn't mean that, but there are just there are obvious problems that have to be, accounted for if you are going to go forward with those two guys. Yeah. I mean, there's the question of the inherent limitations that could be there for those two as if not necessarily your back court because Luca can kind of play anywhere one through four wherever you want him so you can fit other positional pieces around those guys. But just the idea of those two being perhaps the two most important.

Starting point is 00:28:30 players of your core moving forward or two of the most important players. And they have similar issues, whether you're talking about athletic limitations, speed limitations, defensive limitations. And obviously, we saw when the Mavericks went to the finals that, you know, Luca Donchich paired with Kyrie Irving, who is not known as a defensive stopper. you know, that they managed to get there. But the difference would be the gap between Austin and Kyrie Irving offensively. Kyrie is on another planet than Austin.

Starting point is 00:29:13 Like respectfully to Austin, he's nowhere close to what certainly that version of Kyrie. Hopefully he can recover from his knee injury and look like the guy before. But that version of Kyrie, the gap between him and Austin offensively, even if you think Austin is a better defender than Kyrie because he's bigger or whatever, the gap between those two defensively is smaller than the gap between Kyrie and Austin offensively. So there were ways in which Kyrie offset the defensive issues that could be there with him and Luca out there on the court because he's such an otherworldly source and generator of offense

Starting point is 00:29:55 that just Austin isn't and quite frankly never will be. Which, again, is not a knock on Austin. Kyrie is one of the most talented offensive players I've ever seen. Right. And here's the thing. So when I wanted it, I had the number and then I kind of tucked it away and then I wanted to pull it back up to make sure I had it right. The two-man lineup, you know, combination of Luca and Reeves in the regular season

Starting point is 00:30:20 had a net rating of positive net rating of six and a half. Okay. So like it wasn't, it wasn't good in the playoffs. but in the regular season, that combo was fine, worked just fine. So I think it can work. It just depends on what you're putting around it. And so, like, if you could tell me the Lakers upgrade at center, upgrade some of their, you know, other areas of defense,

Starting point is 00:30:45 maybe you move Rui for a little bit more accomplished defender or a better rebounder or a center or something like that. And you're, you know, so if you tell me you're up, upgrading in places like that because Luca and Reeves suffer from athleticism. But they're both smart defenders when they're engaged their positional, you know, smart positional defenders. Reeves certainly works really hard on that end. And so like that's,

Starting point is 00:31:17 Luca has more moments, I think, where he takes possessions off. I can see scenarios where you need to use Reeves as the bait to get yourself the better roster. I can see scenarios where you can use the other pieces that you might have. Dalton Connect, Rui Hachamura, pick, whatever might be, expirings. Expired to fill in the gaps to make that combination and threesome work better. Because remember, too, in theory, well, maybe we'll get to the money on Tuesday for Tuesday show because that plays a whole other thing into this. Two part Austin show people.

Starting point is 00:32:09 Summertime, baby. So, like you, both of these scenarios are really plausible. And what I think the most important thing to realize is, Austin has to be on the table. You have to be willing to entertain this possibility, if you're Rob Polika. He can't be one of the untouchable guys because... And for a while, it felt like he...

Starting point is 00:32:36 It felt like it was. Untouchable adjacent. I don't think you need to put him out on the market and start shopping them around. But I think if you want to, as teams inquire, teams know the Lakers need a center, they know they need a forward. They know they know they have needs.

Starting point is 00:32:51 26 years old, really good player, putting up numbers, okay. Like, that's got some value around the league. They have to be open to listening to these things. Austin can't be untouchable. I was going to say, and we can talk about this for Tuesday's show as well. One of the central questions the Lakers have to answer internally, and we can talk about this as well, is it possible to land a player who is at minimum equal to Austin, if not better than Austin,

Starting point is 00:33:23 without including Austin, whether you're talking about through trade or in the 2026 offseason, maybe with more flexibility, depending on what LeBron does, depending on if Austin has already signed an extension or not, whatever, because they need to at minimum add one more. player who is better, I would say better than Austin. Because if you start, if you start creating a roster where Austin is your second best player, your roster's not good enough. It is simply not.

Starting point is 00:33:57 You're talking in a post-Lebron era. Yes, but I'm saying you have to start, you have to be thinking about that in terms of what you do with Austin. Like, because LeBron is not going to be around forever. And at some point, you have to be thinking of. about what this roster is going to be built around with Luca Donchich as the centerpiece. And there is certainly a world where Austin can be a part of that moving forward. I mean, they shouldn't be looking to jettison him for the sake of it.

Starting point is 00:34:27 But if Austin is what is required to bring in a player better than him, then unless you are really confident about what you can do in the offseason of 2026, you have to really consider it because you cannot be moving forward in a scenario. where Austin is your second best player because he's not at that level. And no, I don't think he ever will be. There's a lot in that question and that we can carry into tomorrow. And we'll also get into the really complicating factor here, which is his contract. So that's coming up Tuesday and through into the rest of the week.

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