Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Is LeBron James Dropping Clues About Retirement? Plus, Do the Lakers Have a Title Path?

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, everyone. Welcome to Lock on Lakers for Friday. Brian Kaminetsky, Andy Kaminetsky, LeBron James talks retirement. But is he actually giving any clues? That's next. You are Locked on Lakers. Your daily Los Angeles Lakers podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Thanks to everybody for making Locked on Lakers first listen to every day, Monday through Friday, no matter how where you get your podcasts. This one's always going to be free for you, never behind a paywall, whether you're looking at Lockdown Lakers on YouTube. YouTube or you're getting it from Spotify, from Apple, wherever you get your podcasts, of course.

Starting point is 00:00:44 We are always there for you. Of course, YouTube is where, Andy, 36,000-plus subscribers are all hanging out, leaving us questions, leaving us comments. We're going to get into some of the mailbag questions that y'all have left for us over the course of today's episode. It was going to be a big mailbag episode, entirely mailbag episode, Andy, until LeBron James started talking retirement. And so we will start there in just a moment after we tell you that today's episode's brought to you by Fandul.

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Starting point is 00:01:47 whether you're talking about the recent commercial for the 23 shoes that had the copy. They called him the chosen one. He carried the weight of every expectation on his shoulders, but he never broke. We were all witnesses. Every rival was defeated. Every idol was destroyed. He took the crown and kept it. the greatness. He is the Forever King. And the past tense of a lot of that copy, other than the

Starting point is 00:02:14 is with Forever King, everything else was in the past tense, which got a lot of people wondering, is this the setup for a retirement announcement? It is, to the best of anybody's knowledge, nothing more than a setup for an announcement to buy his shoe. He's also been playing golf this off season and golf is an activity that old people do. Often in retirement. And LeBron has never really played golf except. He bought a house in the Florida. Well, he's never really bought up.

Starting point is 00:02:46 He's never really played golf until his 40s and 40s is damn old for NBA basketball. So for all intents and purposes, this is the timeline of a 60 or 70 year old retiring and finding something new to do with themselves and it ends up golf, or the statement from Rich Paul with LeBron's opt-in, with his player option, that kept emphasizing the idea that time is running out in LeBron's career and he wants to maximize it, which obviously was interpreted by a lot of people as pressure to do everything possible to add to the roster or signs of discontentment with his relationship with the Lakers or in my opinion both. But regardless, LeBron is emphasizing on this show that it's not him signaling at retirement. Quote, I'm not

Starting point is 00:03:42 hinting at anything. Obviously, I know I'm on the other side of the hump for sure. Come on now. I'm not about to play another 23 years. That's for damn sure. I'm not about to play another 10. I'm definitely gearing up to where the end is. I'm not there yet. But then he also said, look, every time I pick up something new, it does not mean retirement. It's just I want some, I just want to, you know, to do a little hobby. But retirement is coming. It is coming. It's just not here just yet. So, you know, a couple of few months from now when you see LeBron, you know, crocheting, when you see him bird watching. Bird watching. A lot of old people love to bird watch. People love what, but just like, I can picture LeBron, you know, whittling, like whittling is something old people do.

Starting point is 00:04:25 Mocking up on hard candy. Eating at Cracker Barrel? I mean, that's something old people do. Downing Metamusel by the bottle. Oh, delicious. So, taking in Matlock reruns. Murder she wrote. Nice.

Starting point is 00:04:41 Oh, maybe I watched the old murder she wrote. And then I watched the new murder she wrote. Let me tell you something. That is a Saturday. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. So, look, I mean, it's one of these things where I, The only thing I took out of this is that he doesn't, if things, and this is not a new position for me,

Starting point is 00:05:04 but it still seems to me that if LeBron performs this year in a way that is similar to how he performed last year, basically on the same level, if he is more or less healthy, or if he does have an injury, it's not the kind of thing where you look at and say, like are you going to do eight months of rehab at age four? Like, you know, something like that. And obviously nobody wants to that. Like what Dame Lillard's going through right now.

Starting point is 00:05:33 What Dame Lillard's going through, an Achilles in general, whatever it might be, a knee, something, but something that requires a very long rehab. Maybe then you could say, I don't know if I want to go through all that. But short of something like that, I think it is pretty clear that LeBron

Starting point is 00:05:51 expects to play one more season, beyond this one. I think to me it is fairly clear if I had to put money on retires at the end of this year versus will continue to play one more season after this year. I think I would bet on plays at least one more season after this year, in part because I think so much of this speculation about, well, he doesn't have another contract with the Lakers. Like what's going to like, I think some of the interest around it

Starting point is 00:06:24 would be tempered if everybody thought he was retiring after this season anyway. I do think there could be one exception with LeBron playing at a high level, getting through this season and one piece injury-free, and still deciding to retire beyond just the obvious, my body, I know I can still play at a high level. My body is begging me to stop. And it just isn't worth it. It's not fun getting myself up to this level, even though I can still perform.

Starting point is 00:06:53 Just because I can doesn't mean. I should. Right. If the Lakers won a championship this year, I could picture LeBron, who is like, I want to make this clear, all great athletes, but in particular the great athletes who are aware of narrative and story and all of that stuff, which LeBron is and more power to him, I could picture him wanting to go out completely on top because you so rarely get that opportunity as it is, if LeBron managed to be a key part of a championship at 41 in Franklin. And by the way, that's the only way the Lakers win what I was just about to say. What I was just about to say, if LeBron can't be a key part of it, they're not going to win a championship.

Starting point is 00:07:44 But if he can do that, I could picture LeBron saying, you know what, at this point, there ain't anything else left for me to do. For the people that will never declare me, goat, it doesn't matter if I win seven more straight championships. Right, not going to say six and out. And do I want to start, do I want to either run it back here and try to defend it? Okay, maybe that's a reason to come back. But I think, I'll tell you this,

Starting point is 00:08:12 I think if the Lakers win a title, I think it greatly increases the chances of him playing again in L.A. next year. Sure. I think the idea, I mean, I'm just thinking out loud here. but the idea of LeBron winning a title and then bolting to Cleveland or maybe Cleveland. Cleveland is always the exception of me, like, because I can always kind of see a reason to go back to Cleveland. But like, you know, heading to Dallas, heading to, it becomes harder for me in this moment as you raise that to, to picture it. There's one more factor that I think could play into what you're talking about if the Lakers win a title.

Starting point is 00:08:54 And then the question, Andy, that you're talking about here, of winning a title is directly related to the mailbag questions that we'll be getting into later this episode. So we'll do all of those things next. Locked on Lakers is brought to you by open phone. If you're running a business, you know that every missed call. That is money left on the table. Like, think about this. You call someone for a service emergency. That company or that person doesn't pick up.

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Starting point is 00:10:37 LeBron and Brani co-finals MVP? Yes. I was thinking a little smaller than that, but it does involve Brony. It is if Brony, I think it is especially true, like, if you're thinking of, like, boxes that can be ticked, if Bronny is, like, really part of the rotation this year, if he plays a more significant role this year than last, to where LeBron can really say like i played like meaningful basketball with with my son um that i think would also kind of contribute to be like i feel like i've done everything kind of vibe that you're talking about obviously that assume none taken says bryce it's we're still a little i know i'm i'm joking I'm joking.

Starting point is 00:11:25 The daughter's like, why not me? Why do you not want to play basketball with me, dad? Why not waiting another like 15 years? Why don't you love me as much as my brothers? So, like, I could picture that being a factor as well. It is obviously a big assumption that Brani is going to be in the rotation. He has played better. He's on a nice trajectory for a 55th pick in the NBA.

Starting point is 00:11:53 He's got a lot of work to do before he's day in, day out, ready to play there. But like, you know, if you look at it by game 30, 35, whatever, that's like he starts to be part. Again, these are all factors that I think could play into it. I just feel like he's going to play one more year. It actually is a good lead in to the mailbag

Starting point is 00:12:16 as we sort of bust out those questions because the first one is from King Rout. What's your boldest, I'm sorry, King Ralph, 1996. What's your boldest prediction for the Lakers this season? Do you think there's a path for them to win it all? Let's take the second part of that first, Andy, about the, unless your bold prediction is the Lakers are going to win a title, in which case you are killing two birds with one stone for King Ralph.

Starting point is 00:12:45 I think there is a path to winning it all, but I think it is a very twisty, windy path, where the road is not well paved and you're always worried about hitting a pothole and blowing out a tire. But it is a drivable road. It's just not the smoothest ride. And it's probably going to require

Starting point is 00:13:07 seeing a few cars stalled alongside the road as long as I just, I think in your metaphor, though, at least you get to drive. I think mine is more of them hacking their way through the jungle with machete. You can get there, but it ain't easy. It's one of my themes, actually,

Starting point is 00:13:29 that I'm sort of developing for the course of the season is, and I realize it's LA, only championships matter, and all that kind of stuff, enjoying the potential for just really good basketball. Like, the Lakers ought to play good ball this season. I know we're going to get into JJ Redick and stuff in a little more detail and more conversations. But, like, you know, you have a phenomenal opportunity.

Starting point is 00:13:53 to watch Luca Donchich at, you know, at his peak, the peak of his talents. You have LeBron James still excellent, still elite,

Starting point is 00:14:06 and potentially not here for that much longer. You know, you have the development of Austin Reads. You have the, you know, the resurrection,

Starting point is 00:14:15 they hope of DeAndre Ait. I mean, just so many really interesting storylines and things for a team that ought to be, 150 games last year and it's better now than they were that. And so I think it's about playing really good ball because the conference is just so difficult. So yes, there is a path. It is going

Starting point is 00:14:37 to require bad things to happen to teams that are better than that. It's going to require a little bit of luck, actually a fair amount of luck. Championships for good teams, elite teams require luck. because it's not just the West. The team that does emerge from the East is going to be good. There are two or three or four pretty good teams in the Eastern Conference. They're just not 12. And that makes their path easier. So is there a path?

Starting point is 00:15:04 Yes. Am I focused on it? Absolutely not. And quite frankly, I don't think they should be either. They being fans or they being the Lakers. I think it is way sort of premature to like, Obviously, that's the goal in mind, but they have so much sort of to establish

Starting point is 00:15:24 and so much to do and accomplish before they can get to a place where I think they can realistically say to themselves, you know what? We are a championship caliber team that we know it. We can get out there and execute with all these other teams and play with them. I think there is work to do.

Starting point is 00:15:41 I think they can get there, but I think there's work to do through that training camp through the first few months of the season, that they, they shouldn't be focused on April, May, June you know, late June. Look, I think they should be focused on that as a goal because if they're truly

Starting point is 00:15:59 focused on it, it's going to bring out the best in them in terms of execution. You understand what I'm getting at it. Well, I think they shouldn't get ahead of themselves, but I don't think I think that they, okay, I was going to say, I think they can keep it in mind as a goal. And I think particularly with LeBron at this stage of his career,

Starting point is 00:16:20 if you're not thinking about a championship at all in certain respects, it's a waste of his time. I don't mean like a season where he can't win a championship is a waste of his time. I mean a season where you're not even thinking about it at all is kind of a waste of his time. Oh, for sure.

Starting point is 00:16:36 But as long as you don't. It's so far. And LeBron understands process as better than anybody. And I think he would tell you that is so far out in the distance and the amount of steps that they have to take to get to that place, you know, there are so many of them that it is way premature, like you say, getting it way ahead of themselves to focus on that and to put themselves into that category. It's the second part.

Starting point is 00:17:06 The focusing on it is fine. I think the focusing on it is great because it hopefully brings out the best in themselves. Seeing themselves as front runners, I think is getting ahead of themselves. to me, they're two different things. That's fair. Any bold predictions? Luca Donchich wins MVP. It may not even be that bold right now just because it feels like there's a growing expectation

Starting point is 00:17:31 that it could be possible. But it nonetheless would be a pretty bold happening for Luca to win his first career MVP in his first full season with the Lakers. So that's my bold prediction. I've gone back and forth for a few things. I think, like, I think Luca as an MVP is, the part that I find so interesting about that now is obviously MVP says that the Lakers are playing really, really well. Like, you know, the Lakers, he can't win that award if the Lakers win 43 games. That's just not going to happen.

Starting point is 00:18:09 I also think it's a really interesting test for the idea that, narrative and storyline is so important because going into the season, I think there is this sort of story around Luca that's going to be like, he's going to get so much attention, new body, revenge season, all these other things. It's a thing that's sometimes hard to be kind of a frontrunner in the story before the season starts. Sometimes I think that can carry you through if Luca comes in, averages 34, 10, and 10 in the Lakers win, you know, 50, three games and are second or third in the conference, Luke is your MVP.

Starting point is 00:18:50 But if it's not so linear or the Lakers struggle a little bit, like people get bored. So it'd be fascinating to be fascinating to see what it takes for Luka to actually get that award. Because I also think it's harder to win it when you're a Laker for a lot of the reasons that you've described about just people don't want. to seem like they're in the tank for this organization. Maybe it's harder now.

Starting point is 00:19:20 It seems like Lakers used to win all the time, but it might be harder now. Free social media, man. But like Lakers coaches. Lakers, what do you got to do to win DPO? There's this feeling that the Lakers have players and then it's just easier for them. It's, you know, Rob Polenka, while I don't think he's deserving necessarily to win executive the year at any point, is never. going to win executive of the year.

Starting point is 00:19:48 You know, Phil Jackson routinely did Phil Jackson things. It's like arguably the greatest head coach of all time. It's hard to win a coach of the year when that, you know, Frank Vogel, you know, surprised everybody with the performance of that team in a lot of ways. And like, it wasn't really, it's just there's an assumption that accomplishments for the Lakers when they happen aren't due to. certain people. And I think that can be a challenge. It really is. I'm looking up right now as we're speaking basketball reference. I think it really is harder now because Magic won it three times.

Starting point is 00:20:27 Kareem won it three times as a Laker. That part of it is kind of fascinating to me. And we'll see what that goes. We got more mailbag questions, Andy, to come. And we will get to them. I mentioned J.J. Reddick, questions about training camp, questions about injuries, all kinds of stuff. We'll try to get to as many as we can next. Lockdown Lakers is brought to you by Fandul. The NFL season is here. Fan Duel is making sure you are ready with a can't miss offer. Right now, new customers can bet just $5. And if your bet wins, you get $300 in bonus bets to use across the app. I love that FanDuel fits however you like to bet, whether you're talking player props or building same game parlay, jumping into a game live as it's going.

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Starting point is 00:21:43 Okay, Andy, dipping back into the mailbag. This from Kevin or Kavana B626 from the YouTube page. Going into last season, there were a lot of questions about how good a coach JJ Redick would be, especially in contrast to Darvin Ham's tenure. All things being equal with the Luca trade, how many more wins did JJ get the Lakers than Darwin would have under the exact same circumstances? How do you think Darwin would have approached the Timberwell's playoff matchup, but the outcome of that series have been different?

Starting point is 00:22:13 I mean, I don't know, like, rotation-wise. Like, Darwin would have played guys in the second half of game three, or game four, I should say. Based on all the evidence where he played multiple players in second-haves of every single game he coached. Right. But I don't, I think he would have, it would have been a short rotation. I don't necessarily think the Lakers would have won that series if you swap out the two of those guys. But, like, would he have approached certain matchups? I don't think it actually would have looked that much different outside of the one glaring thing that people like to point to and say, yes, Darwin would have subbed people in the second half of game four.

Starting point is 00:22:54 But it's really the other questions. Like how many more wins did JJ get than Darwin? The question really, in my mind at least, amounts to was Darwin really kind of being treated unfairly and evaluated unfairly based on this? I don't think he was. And specifically in Darwin's second season as Lakers coach. And for what it is worth to Kavana, if that's what he ultimately thinks, because it sounds like what's being insinuating the question, I agree, is that Darwin endured more scrutiny during his time coaching the Lakers than JJ did. I think JJ is going to endure much more scrutiny this coming season. I agree.

Starting point is 00:23:38 Even if there weren't the hiccups that happened during the playoffs and a lot of JJ's inexperience and, frankly, impatience that shone through in ways that I think hurt a lot of his decisions against Minnesota. But I do think it is important to remember. During Darwin's first season with the Lakers, I think the general reaction to him and the job that he did that first year was very positive. I know from us in particular, we were largely complimentary of Darwin during that first season.

Starting point is 00:24:15 I mean, for what it's worth, we lobbied for Darwin to get hired in the first place. Of all the candidates that were being interviewed and rumored to be front runners, I know he was my first choice. I'm pretty sure he was your first choice. Certainly, I mean, we both thought it was a good hire. I remember who else they were talking about.

Starting point is 00:24:32 It doesn't matter, but I know we both thought he was a good. Oh, absolutely. And, you know, we both acknowledged from the beginning the difficulties with Russ and his fit on the roster and it not being immediately built for success beyond the presence of LeBron and AD. He managed to get the buy-in from Russ to play off the bench. You know, the playoffs, there were some like JJ rookie mistakes that came through in the first round. It took him way too long, I think, to make the obvious call to get bigger, and in particular play Wenyon Gabriel, to get more rebounding because it was the one area where the Grizzlies were beating them.

Starting point is 00:25:14 He started doing it. The Lakers controlled the series. You know, he opened the Denver series small because it worked against Golden State, which was, frankly, lunacy against the team as big as Denver. And he eventually reverted back, but I think it did, if not cost them game one. It certainly put them behind the eight ball. But for the most part, I thought Darwin, was pretty good during that first year.

Starting point is 00:25:36 And I thought you could argue he even overachieved, given that roster. But the second year, he had more experience and a better roster and in a lot of ways regressed as a coach. And I think it was fair to point all of that out. But again, I think JJ is going to be under a different sharper microscope this season. And for what it's worth, the new regime is coming in. And they did not hire JJ. They're not going to be attached to JJ the way theoretically Rob Polinka and Jeannie Bus are.

Starting point is 00:26:09 I look at it this way. The problem with Darwin wasn't that, you know, it wasn't X's and O's inside games. Every coach gets criticized. We live in a Twitter era, Andy, where like, you know, every set, every play, every whatever, there are, you know, fans, media, whatever, who, know far less about what's going on in these games or whatever and what's happening on a basketball court than those guys do. Dissecting everything and calling you know this mistake, that mistake, that's terrible. How on earth can they, why aren't they scoring more points? Just go score more

Starting point is 00:26:50 points. Whatever it might be. Darvin's problem the second year wasn't that they didn't win enough games they didn't um you know they they they he played the wrong guy at the wrong time made the wrong substitution whatever those played into it darvin lost the room darvin lost the thread and same way by the way frank vogel lost the like as much as i think vogel got screwed in some ways by the front office clearly right never believing in him that the difference was vogel was being actively undermined by his own front office but but but i I do think he lost the locker room down the stretch as well. I would agree.

Starting point is 00:27:32 Sometimes just a coach has to go whether it's fair or not from a practical standpoint. And so I think that was really Darwin's big failing, is the players did not have confidence in him to, you know, those things may be related. I wasn't in the team meetings. I wasn't there for the scouting reports and all that. But the impression that was left when Darwin was let go was great guy kind of lost the threat. And JJ restored a lot of that.

Starting point is 00:28:12 So much of what these guys do, though, is management of that sort of thing. It is continuing to create a culture that works. and what worked one year doesn't always work the next. And I think that is actually something Darwin struggled with was kind of pivoting, you know, and recognizing the nuance of one season to the next. JJ hasn't gone through that yet. So one of the big challenges is going to be, can you do what you did again? Like last year you get a lot of refreshing, oh, it's the new guy.

Starting point is 00:28:49 Look, he's doing this. Like, look how organized he is. Look how this. And it's different. And we like it. And we kind of didn't want the old guy to be here. So we like the new guy. But now the new guy's honeymoon is over.

Starting point is 00:29:00 Now you have to be able to keep your established program, but also adjust it for what you're doing this year. What made Greg Popovich so brilliant in so many ways. Wasn't just the X's and O's. It was his ability to adapt to the roster he was given while maintaining certain basketball principles. Steve Kerr, same way, you know, when things were special, when things going really well in Golden State. You adapt what you have without abandoning what's important.

Starting point is 00:29:34 Can JJ do that in year two? We'll see. You know, he's got a lot of, he's got every tool in the box to make it work. What's interesting, and I'd never really made this connection before, but talking about Darwin and both of us, how we thought he did a pretty good job that first year under often difficult circumstances. but Darwin could have stubbornness at times as a coach. And I think that stubbornness in particular became problematic in the second seasons where I think he lost a lot of the locker room.

Starting point is 00:30:03 That quote from Anthony Davis during the playoffs, in so many words, we don't know what we're supposed to be doing. I think that was the death. But that first season, Darwin may have been more open towards certain adjustments, in part because he's newer at the job and therefore doesn't necessarily have the foundation to stand on with a certain degree of stubbornness,

Starting point is 00:30:27 but also he had changed thrust upon him with that big mid-season deal that brought in Delo and Beasley and Vando. So in some respects, he had no choice but to make changes. And JJ, JJ in his first season, just to finish it up. Sure, I'm sorry, yeah. JJ had a lot of, as much as I think JJ at times could be stubborn with certain things, you know, defensive coverages and excessive switching is the one that jumps out at me most. But JJ also displayed a certain amount of flexibility, I think, up until the playoffs during the year. But in part, I think it's also because a lot of change was thrust upon him and therefore

Starting point is 00:31:06 he had no choice but to change with it. And I think it was important to remember the playoffs is like a different thing. It's an entirely, you know, so the flexibility is, you know, so much of what you do in terms of being flexible and adjusting and this and that is based on an 82 game season that you have to kind of work your way through and you're building towards certain things. You know, in the playoffs, it's harder to experiment with stuff because if something doesn't work for a quarter, half a quarter, you could lose a series based on that. But the adversity works in your favor, especially when you're a rookie head coach and you're having success.

Starting point is 00:31:44 Darwin was given credit for rightly given credit, I should say, for holding the team together under some really kind of ridiculous circumstances with Russ. And then the new trade. And only he kept the team focused pulling in the same direction, all that kind of stuff. As did JJ last year, I thought. I'm getting to there. and the stuff that worked about, you know, filling our cups and all the, in the rookie season, didn't land in the second because I don't think ultimately Darwin adjusted to the new context of the season,

Starting point is 00:32:29 which was, relatively speaking, more stable where expectations were a little higher than they were, where it was people wanted to see, okay, grow. the team was still pretty good. It wasn't like they had a, you know, collapsed and didn't make the playoffs. So this team was still pretty good. JJ is going to be judged differently this year, like you said, than he was last year.

Starting point is 00:32:55 But, you know, the context of this season is guaranteed to be far different than last because you have a full season of Luka. You've got centers now. And, you know, and I'm saying all, all these things relative to the second half of the season, not the first. Like some of those things, like if he still won't play a center, well, Andy, that's weird because he's got a good one now.

Starting point is 00:33:18 So I am expecting something very different in a lot of how the Lakers look. And what I'm curious to see is if JJ changes some of the on-court product, changes how they do certain things, uses different coverages, pulls different stuff out of the playbook, all of which you should, totally different roster. while keeping the same basic vocabulary, keeping the same sort of cultural ties to a program that he's trying to create and the Lakers want to last for another decade.

Starting point is 00:33:52 So we'll see how that goes. It's a mention before, fascinating stuff to watch during this season. I put that in that category. Yeah. Last thing I would say on is just we both said, Darwin, we think we'll get another shot as a head coach and should get another shot.

Starting point is 00:34:06 I think so. Good coach. I think you're going to lock down Lakers on YouTube is where you're going to hang out with over 36,000 subscribers. To the channel, we hope you have a great weekend. Watch yourself some football. We'll see you on Monday.

Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Is LeBron James Dropping Clues About Retirement? Plus, Do the Lakers Have a Title Path?

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