Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Is There Growing Tension Between the Lakers and LeBron James? Where Do They Go From Here?

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Starting point is 00:00:47 And many of them, Andy, are talking about whether or not the Lakers and LeBron James. There's a little bit of tension brewing between those two parties. A lot of reporting on that over the last couple days, which we'll get to here in a moment. do want to let people know first, though, that today's episode is brought to you by Fandul. Right now, new customers can get $150 in bonus bets when your first $5 bet wins. So we'll get a little bit hopefully to Summer League as well, the performances of the Lakers that matter, whether you're talking Brony James or Dalton Connect, Andy. But this was a weekend dominated by Lakers and.

Starting point is 00:01:33 LeBron talk and you know LeBron turning down sideline interviews and sending out there's re-writing reports that have been out there before about what we thought about new ownership it's it's madness Andy I say madness well the reference you're talking about with

Starting point is 00:01:53 Summer League Brony was in Vegas to take in excuse me LeBron was in Vegas to take in Bronny's performance watch the Summer League he was reportedly talking with some members of the Lakers, whether you're talking about Dalton Connect or assistant coach Greg St. Jean. There were people from the Lakers he was speaking with, but there are these reports of growing tension between LeBron and the Lakers.

Starting point is 00:02:18 When asked if he wanted to talk about his situation with the Lakers, LeBron's exact quote was, I ain't got nothing to talk about, which, look, it could mean there's nothing to talk about because things are fine. It could mean there's nothing to talk about because at the moment, I've got nothing good to say, and nothing good is going to come for me speaking. Could also mean I ain't got nothing to talk about because I'm not going to tell you all what I plan to do in the near future anyway. I'm going to keep you guessing. It's not a definitive statement anyway, but what it is is open-ended enough to both keep the conversation alive and maintain some plausible deniability, which LeBron has always been very good at doing.

Starting point is 00:03:00 There was a you referenced a report that came out from Ramona Shelburne and Brian Winhorst, ESPN, the different things that LeBron is reportedly upset about with the Lakers right now, which range from a perception that they are not willing to try their hardest to be competitive this season with LeBron to generally feeling like LeBron is not as valued. with the organization as he has been in previous seasons, which I think if we're being honest, is actually the truth. That is the truth. Here's the thing. Even if he is as valued as he was in previous seasons, he's not the most valued anymore. Well, that by definition would mean he's valued less. My point. Like you can you can keep the same level of value. And I, when you start to aggregate some of the reporting together and see what people are saying and how it's being perceived,

Starting point is 00:04:01 I do think the Lakers whether they have over-indexed to Luca, I think it's hard to say because I don't think it's possible to over-indexed to Luca. You need to do everything that is necessary to maintain that relationship. I think it is possible that some of the normal star maintenance, whether you're talking about, you know, just so the normal courtesies and all that kind of stuff that come with it. Like maybe they've overlooked some things with LeBron. I don't know. I think some of it is also just like the is eye rolling stuff. You know, like for example, and this is not brand new, but Ramona and Wendy reporting that LeBron, at the very least,

Starting point is 00:04:52 sort of was like, okay, now, like, they've been begging for a center for a long time, he and AD, and, you know, three days after they acquire Luca Donchurch or whatever, they go out and make a huge trade to try to get one. It's like, and I, first of all, I mean, there's some big context missing, which is we traded our center to get Luca. Therefore, we actually needed to, well, I just, It's important to point this out just because the whole, because I hear this not just from this reporting, but a lot of people who cover the Lakers, like the idea that LeBron and AD had wanted that center for years, then finally all of a sudden for Luca, they all go out and get one. It's like they had an all-NBA center.

Starting point is 00:05:38 Right. It was Anthony Davis. He just doesn't like the job. He didn't want to play center. And our everyday, I have zero patience for this. You know, yeah, little stuff like that where. from his POV, I'm not like taken up for for him here, but like from his POV, it's like we've, this is something we've wanted, you know, I've wanted, we've wanted whatever for a long time.

Starting point is 00:06:03 And it wasn't done. And great, now it is, but. And so little stuff like that. It also seems like based on both the reports from Wendy and Momo, but also hearing Yoban Buha talk about this, others. covering the situation. I think also a bit of just common sense or things that have really truly changed. It seems like the idea that not only did LeBron not get his standard one plus one contract, it was not even offered by the Lakers nor broached, and it was pretty clear it wasn't coming.

Starting point is 00:06:41 Yeah, I think that's that is. I think that's pretty clear at this point. I think that's the single biggest factor in what is widely being reported as a growing rift between LeBron and the Lakers. And I would agree. I think that is the biggest thing because ultimately LeBron wants the most, both security and control, and that gives him the most not, you know, becoming a free agent this offseason offers different forms of control, different things he can do, ways he can leverage that might make it easier for him to be traded or easier for him to sign somewhere else. It signals to the rest of the NBA that, okay, you know what? Summer of 2026, there's a really good chance LeBron James available, like really good.

Starting point is 00:07:30 And I think that's ultimately where we're going here. But, you know, you still have more leverage with the opt-in because you could always send the signal to people that, you know, we'll be around. like, you know, set the decks, you know, get it clear, but we have this, this card that we can play. I think it's, you know, that part of it of not offering him that one and one is, I mean, it's the thing that ultimately probably pushes him, you know, out the door. But at the same time, the question of what they're doing around the team, which is ultimately, I think, think the biggest question, like how are the Lakers trying to improve? And it's also, I think, the source of all of the spin, you know, whether you're talking about Luca, from him saying, you know,

Starting point is 00:08:27 obviously staying in close, you know, close contact with the Lakers and making it very clear, hey, I like playing with LeBron. Like, it's a little bit of a version of what Janus did with Dane Lillard in Milwaukee. Like, I didn't, I didn't tell him to do this. So like if I go, like don't blame me for that, you know, your horrible cap situation. I didn't make you do this with with Luca. It's not as extreme as that, but it's, hey, whatever tension is developing between you and LeBron, you, the Lakers and LeBron, not me. I love playing with LeBron. Happy to do it.

Starting point is 00:09:04 So, I mean, I think Luke. And so it's clear. Just I don't think this is. There's always, I guess, an element of CYA. just because these things are public and opinions get formed, news cycles, all of that stuff. By all accounts,

Starting point is 00:09:20 Luca grew up idolizing. I don't think it's untrue. I want to make that point clear. Spin was probably the wrong word. But once you get past the Luca part, what LeBron is saying, what the Lakers are saying, the reporting around cap space for next year,

Starting point is 00:09:37 cap space for the year following, some interesting comments from Yovon that's sort of adding to this reporting that he had on his podcast on Friday, that sort of maybe kind of change the context of things, but I actually don't think they do. But all of that stuff is really where the kind of the rubber meets the road here when you're talking about LeBron and the Lakers, and that's where we'll go next.

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Starting point is 00:11:34 Okay, so let's talk about this because at the heart of what we're debating here. Because actually, you know, let's set this up. do you think there's any possibility the Lakers and LeBron partways via buyout or something like that at any point before like the Lakers season would collapse? I'm not talking about, you know, we're getting near the trade deadline. The Lakers have had some really bad injuries. They're pretty much out of the playoff race. I don't want any of these things to happen, by the way. But like there's a scenario where you could say, you know what?

Starting point is 00:12:10 LeBron's, we know LeBron's not going to come back. Let's let him go to a contender this year, do right by him. It's where we're going anyway, and so on and so forth. Not unless the Lakers are either really stupid or really spineless. I mean, that would just be an incredibly dumb and pointless move by the Lakers. Yes, I agree. At a time when LeBron, in all honesty, I think there's another reason that he is out of sorts, perhaps. This is, I would argue, the first time in his NBA career where he really has no leverage with his team, except for the leverage that the team allows him to have.

Starting point is 00:12:51 Because there's not really much LeBron can do. So, I mean, we can get into how that affects a potential trade request, which I think if he actually made, the Lakers would try to make happen. Just like last year when Golden State put out feelers, they ran it past LeBron. I think they would do right by him in that sense. But what I don't think they're going to do is do right by LeBron at their own expense. Nor should they. Particularly at a time when they actually have a future to plan for with LeBron. I mean, excuse me, with Luca.

Starting point is 00:13:24 Like the Lakers gain nothing from eating 45 to 50 mil in a buyout with LeBron other than I guess goodwill. or good optics that I think would be both short-lived and overrated in a lot of ways. 100%. Like, created in their own minds. It's not a thing. It would be insane in all honesty. So, I mean, that leaves a possibility of a trade this year, which, again, we'll see how the season goes. Things happen, whatever.

Starting point is 00:13:58 Is it possible? Do I see a scenario where that's possible? Sure. I think it's unlikely. I think more like, really. It is. More likely the Lakers are just, you know, the Lakers and LeBron play out this season. And at the end of it, either they try to come up with some sort of sign-in-trade scenario, whatever it might be. But like LeBron moves on to another team that is prepped and laid the groundwork and all that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 00:14:28 And the bidding war ensues. Lakers aren't part of it. They move on. And that's it. And I think that's still the most likely scenario. If a trade thing, does come up, I think Rich Paul and his group will work very hard to have as much of that done by the time the request becomes public because what they don't want is a trade request for LeBron where and then like they put it out there and nobody's willing to make an offer because that's kind of embarrassing. So we'll see. But all of that is I think way down the road. The question though that it's like it can be easy to get caught up in the messenger like what are the Lakers doing this year?

Starting point is 00:15:09 Are they willing to like how far are they willing to go to try to make the team good? As you mentioned in the previous segment, what have they been able to do to make a, who's sort of spinning a story one way? I think the Lakers are absolutely spinning a story another way to cover Rob, Rob covering himself. We've talked about this before. I don't agree with that interpretation. I think the 2027 planning has come much more. if I had to guess from the LeBron side. Let's talk about, so everybody understands the basic reporting is that the Lakers really want

Starting point is 00:15:45 a clean sheet, whether going into next year, certainly going into 2027, the two big free agents that could be available by then are Janus and Yokic, both theoretically become available again in the summer of 2027. So that is what we're talking about. talking about when we talk about 2027. It's the nickname Project 2027 by a lot of people. And that's, I mean, there will be other names and other free agents and other stars and that are disgruntled and whatever that are currently gruntled but will become disgruntled. But currently when people, that is, it is currently code for what if Yokic is available?

Starting point is 00:16:29 What if Yonis is available? Yovon, let's read these quotes because I thought this was fascinating. Yovon on his podcast elaborated a little bit on what the Lakers are doing and this idea of Project 2027. There are a few things, so just bear with me while I read it. If the Lakers are going to punt on the next two years of Lucas Prime, I think that would be a giant mistake. I think Luca would think that's a giant mistake and I don't think the Lakers are going to do that. Interesting. In talking to more people about this, there's no grand 2027 like we're going to keep our cap sheet completely clean.

Starting point is 00:17:11 We're not going to acquire any potential difference makers or make any aggressive moves. I think that calculus from the Lakers side is more we would like to keep that cap flexibility and we're going to prioritize one or two year deals as we build next season's roster or the following season's roster. But there are exceptions. Yobhan continues. And if the right player becomes available on the trade market or in free agency, it's a player that if it's a player and it's a player that fits around the potential core around Luca, around Austin Reeves, around that potential second superstar once LeBron leaves or retires, then they will add that player to the core. Your reaction, Andy Kamineski. This is very similar to what I said. The first time we ever talked about the reports of 2027, I was very skeptical about that being the plan.

Starting point is 00:18:00 because it felt conveniently stupid. As someone who would never want to, I guess, downplay this front office's ability to be totally inimaginative and like linear, straightforward tunnel vision with their plans that involve star effery, this plan felt conveniently stupid. And also, we never heard anything.

Starting point is 00:18:25 When you say stupid, stupid how? Because I think that matters. Because it's just such a myopic impractical, unimaginative, unforced way of just sitting on two prime years of your star. And the Lakers have never done it before with a star in hand. They've done it before hoping that stars would just join them for whatever reason. But they've never done it before when they actually had a star. But the other reason, too, that I was skeptical of it is we never heard anything about 2027 specifically until,

Starting point is 00:19:00 Rich Paul released this statement about LeBron and Hint. No, we had heard about 2027, but never 2027. And 2026, you and I had even had discussions about that on previous shows, like the potential merits of if you don't like your options this offseason, could it make more sense to prioritize 2026 when they could have a ton of flexibility with all the contracts coming off their books. I'm not looking to rehash that debate. The point being, we had heard about 2026. 2026 had a certain logic to it, even if you don't agree. 2027 is just insane.

Starting point is 00:19:40 Like, that's just dumb. And it felt conveniently dumb, which is why I've never fully bought into it. Like, I could understand the idea of prioritizing shorter contracts because you believe if, say, Janus was to get traded, that the bucks, because they'd be doing a full reset, would want shorter contracts because it would be easier to just start over. I can believe that. And there's a certain logic to it. But the idea that they would just be making no commitments for two years with their star

Starting point is 00:20:11 at 26 is just so insanely stupid. I've never been able to buy into it. It's even with my lack of faith that has been well documented with this front office, it feels too stupid. I just don't think what Yovon Clay is. clarifies their change as much of anything. I'll explain why. Because what he's saying is, he says,

Starting point is 00:20:32 the Lakers are going to prioritize short-term deals, one year, two-year, not in the content, and maybe there's more to it, not in the context of because short-term contracts could be valuable in the ability to trade for a star. It's because they want to maintain that flexibility. If you listen to the entire podcast.

Starting point is 00:20:54 I did, but I listen to a show. But the But anyway But the other part of it is What he's really saying there At least in the quotes we read If there's more that we should have read But then what he's really saying is

Starting point is 00:21:11 If a star comes along We have access to make an aggressive move To get a player that we think is the number two A real number two to play with Luca Okay I think everybody assumes that they would do that, that they wouldn't, the assumption was never that they would pass up the opportunity to get another star because somehow they just don't feel like they're allowed

Starting point is 00:21:39 to do it before 2027 or the summer of 26. I don't think anybody assumed that. The question isn't, are they willing to go trade for a star? Are they willing to push in and use their stuff for a star? It's are they willing to do things for people who aren't star? Sure. Okay. For two years, three years where you have guys that are significant to building a truly competitive team. Right. Are you willing, but they're not stars?

Starting point is 00:22:12 Are you willing to bring those guys in and have those players? Now, to your point before, points we've made throughout the summer, I don't know what they've said no to. Well, let's hang on to this and talk about it coming up next because I think that's also a big piece of why I think a lot of the 2027 hysteria. And it's also a big piece of why I think Rob is spinning. So let's do it next. Lockdown Lakers is brought to you by Fandual. Summer Sports are in full swing, whether you're talking about baseball under the lights, golf on the greens. High-stakes soccer action, Fanduel is the best way to make every game even more exciting. You're already following the action. So why not make it? a little more thrilling.

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Starting point is 00:23:30 So pick something really obvious. Open the Fandual app today or visit fandul.com to get started. Okay. So just kind of put a cap on the point there and we'll move to these other questions. I don't think anybody ever question whether or not the Lakers would go get another star. If a star made themselves available. But what we haven't seen necessarily is a willingness or talk of willingness. for that second and third, you know, the middle layers of a roster that as we've seen over the

Starting point is 00:24:06 course of, especially, you know, the playoffs that just ended are incredibly important. The, you know, the Nikiel Alexander Walker level guys who, you know, two or three of those that fill out your roster and make your stars better and give you the depth to compete. Those are the players, sure, that I think, for me at least, is the big question, are you willing to trade two or three of your expiring contracts, knowing that the player you're going to bring back is yours for three years. He's on a three-year deal, and he's going to potentially eat into all that flexibility that you're trying to preserve.

Starting point is 00:24:44 Like a McHale Bridges, for example. I don't know his exact contract situation. Maybe somewhere, yeah, like in that $25 to $35 million non-superstar, that's what they cost these days. Andrew Wiggins is in that sort of general vicinity. and all that. Now, again, don't know what they've said no to. Don't know what's been available. But what I do know, Andy, is that when last we heard from Rob Belenka, at least in the summertime, or before the summertime rolled around, he was promising incredible action. He was promising

Starting point is 00:25:15 crazy moves all around the league. It's been pretty busy. There have been some interesting things that have happened. And he was also promising that the Lakers would be in the middle of all of it, which they have not been, you know, at least in terms of outward results. They have not. It is another off-season to put next to a relatively quiet trade deadline, although they did do the Williams thing, which they eventually took back, to the off-season before where they did nothing, to the previous trade deadline where they do nothing.

Starting point is 00:25:45 And each one of those is accompanied with the next trade deadline. They got DFS. Before. That's well before. But like, and I said, they also made a huge swing for, for Williams, which they eventually took back. Right. I'm just saying two trade deadlines ago.

Starting point is 00:26:03 They basically got Rui and the big deal with Russ moving in D-Lo. I thought that was three at this point. But my point being, it's been about every other year. They've done something around the trade deadline. Not to cape up for them. I'm just trying to keep a linear timeline of things that have action versus inaction. You're right. And they undid the Russ trade.

Starting point is 00:26:23 But like each there's always been the promise from Russ. of wait till the next one. Like the next one's when we're, we didn't do anything in this one because we're going to be there. And again, I don't know what they've sat out on. But what I think what it really says is, nobody wants our stuff.

Starting point is 00:26:42 Like we've, I've done a really bad job building this roster in terms of having things that would allow us to go get more stuff. So rather than say that, because that's not a fun thing for Rob to say, you can send out these messages like, you know, we've got a plan. We're going to have this flexibility.

Starting point is 00:27:02 We're building around Luca. We're doing this. But at the same time, if a great player comes up, like, I think this is the Lakers working to have it both ways because what it essentially is, is they can't really do much because they don't have much to trade. And they just, they're, I see a lot of this as spin from Rob, who's always promising the next time we're going to be super active. This is, I guess.

Starting point is 00:27:31 I mean, I'll be honest. I think a lot of this just sounds like normal stuff you hear about front offices doing all the time. It's very similar to what we're hearing about the clippers. I don't think it's that unusual. The big difference to me is that Rob, for the first time, heading into this off season made no promises about the next time. Next time was supposed to be this time. So you have to evaluate along those.

Starting point is 00:27:52 I'm saying we were told this is going to be a very big job for the Lakers. That was the big difference, and that was one of the things that I was at that press conference and immediately jumped out to me. It was the first time that Rob was pretty unequivocal about we are going to get in on some action. Now, Rob could say we got a starting center without having to give up any assets at all, which allows us to remain nimble for what could be the next move. And we believe Jake Laravia is on the upswing. And I do think the team is currently better right now than they were heading into the off season. Just from the Aden thing.

Starting point is 00:28:32 Right. So in that sense, while Rob may not be living up to the hype he created, he is technically, I think, on the right path in the sense that the team is better now than it was when he made that statement. You can split hairs about how much that actually matters. But what I do think is telling in all of this, and in terms of whether or not you should be upset about what's happening right now, upset about Project 2027, upset about anything that feels forwardcasting, whether you're upset on behalf of LeBron, Luca, both, neither. There hasn't been any type of high-end impact player that is like a role player. Like forget a star, but like we talked about, like a McHale Bridges level player,

Starting point is 00:29:25 there's been not any word of a player like that actually available that feels worth the Lakers cashing in their chips in a way that LeBron and Clutch are messaging they want. Like someone like Andrew Wiggins, who the Lakers have been linked to, he is not worth a first round pick. Like that's bad business by Lakers. I would trade for him in a heartbeat, but I can understand. But like the idea of him, the idea, though, of Wiggins being their proverbial big swing that they push in everything for the way that they were looking to push in for Mark Williams. That's not worth it for Andrew Wiggins.

Starting point is 00:30:02 So I'm not going to condemn the front office for not doing that. That's a separate issue from whether or not you think Rob Polink is good at his job. Whether you think he should still have his job. Like whether you believe in Palinca, these are all separate issues. And the answer to all those things can be no. but it doesn't change the fact that I have not heard of anybody being available that would be worth that type of move in the first place. And they should not do this for performative reasons.

Starting point is 00:30:31 And I think that is the box that the Lakers are in. It's the box we've tried to say that they were in. They, quite frankly, they lucked out entirely that Aidan was made available. I mean, I think they probably knew, but there's there's there. Well, that was luck created from Luca being available, which was also luck. And frankly, a lot of Rob's biggest, biggest achievements in one way or another are kind of related to luck. Although I guess luck benefits all these guys in some ways. Well, according to Nico, the good luck, the good fortune favors the bolt.

Starting point is 00:31:10 those who trade their superstar for what might say undervalued and lean into that 1.8% chance of getting the number one pick. Fortune favors them. It's just the Lakers, I think, have been and we're always going to be limited. The question is just whether or what really is their approach. I think we'll learn over the course of time. Like what did they pass up? We'll see, for example, if Miami, for example, reduces the price to, you know, maybe that pick is, you know, it's traded.

Starting point is 00:31:53 But like the protections on it are so heavy that you're essentially trading a second or something like. So maybe you lose a little bit of flexibility. And you trade Rui and connect for somebody like Andrew Wiggins. Like if that price drops and the end becomes a little more clear that it's really the contract that they don't want and not the player, okay, we'll start to see that. But I haven't seen any evidence that the Lakers feel like they can be creative in how they go about constructing a team around Luka. And this notion of where, you know, focus on one year, two years to maintain our flexibility, unless a superstar falls into our lap, this pair next to Luca, which is a thing that it is. I don't see that's any different than anything that's already been out there for the Project 2026 or the Project 2027 plan.

Starting point is 00:32:47 To me, it says the same thing. Well, I say, I don't agree, but we'll know if we start seeing guys of that caliber who could help now, the McGill Bridges of the world, if they start moving and the Lakers sit that out entirely, that's when I think you'll actually No, I mean, again, I will never fault anybody for saying that they fear this front office has no imagination and they are obsessed with star effery because there's been a lot of evidence for that. But that doesn't mean that they're sitting out things right now or that they wouldn't do that sort of. I think they're being made in some ways they're sitting out. In some ways, they're being made to sit out because they don't have enough capital to compete. And that is part of it.

Starting point is 00:33:34 And that again, and we'll wrap here. What can carry this conversation into tomorrow? Because there's that question, too, about LeBron's feelings on all this and how justified is he in the first place? Because I think LeBron may have more misgivings that could be legitimate about the past than he really can have right now. That's sort of my take on this. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:58 And you can make a solid argument that it's in the best interest of the franchise to be aggressive right now because you know it's not about fixing it for lebron it's about fixing it because you're got you know being as good as you possibly can because you have you have you have lebron with luca donchich sure um in his prime and so do you know as you say punting on two seasons is stupid but whether or not the lakers have the ability to fix it enough is a different question and one that i don't think rob wants to confront so we'll get to more of these questions as the week goes on, Lockdown Liquors on YouTube, is where you can hang out over the, with over 35,000 subscribers. Make sure to download the show, subscribe to the show on Apple, on Spotify,

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