Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Jeanie Buss TAKING SHOTS at Anthony Davis? Plus, Lakers and Jaxson Hayes Thriving!
Episode Date: March 6, 2025If the Lakers do one thing well, it's play the PR game around their stars, whether current or former. So it was surprising to see Lakers owner Jeanie Buss, in an interview with NPR, seemingly take sh...ots at Anthony Davis when asked about the trade that sent him to Dallas for Luka Dončić. "We gave up a lot to get Luka Dončić. We're happy we have him... Anthony Davis was complaining about where he was being played and he wasn't happy. So I think this was a positive for both teams. They got what they were looking for; we got what we were looking for. And I didn't realize it was going to be international news like it was, but that's the power of the Laker brand and its ability to draw big names who want to write their own chapter in Lakers history."On the one hand, the Lakers did AD right with a great tribute video when the Mavs came to town last month. And Jeanie's comments point to frustration the organization certainly had with the yearly reiteration from Davis that he preferred to play power forward, not center. They likely didn't appreciate him telling Shams and ESPN that the Lakers needed to get another center. They almost surely were nervous about having to pay him like an All-NBA player deep into his 30s, as all teams are now with players aging out of their primes, especially when those players have a history of injury. And its easy to wonder if Jeanie really intended to bad mouth Davis (as opposed to Nico Harrison, who made it VERY clear he intended to badmouth Luka). Still... her comments weren't great. Davis wasn't trying to push his way out of LA. He didn't create any ultimatums—find me a center or trade me. He played hard, and through injury. To imply otherwise by saying he wasn't happy and got what he wanted is disingenuous and unfair. To imply in as she did—that's the power of the Laker brand and its ability to draw big names who want to write their own chapter in Lakers history"—that Davis wasn't quite able to hack it here isn't fair either. Davis forced his way here, and by all accounts was expecting to be here along while longer. To imply Luka was drawn here because he wants to write his own chapter in Lakers history, as if he had any role in choosing LA as a destination (and is, therefore, True Lakers Material) is "Lakers Exceptionalism" at its worst. Again, there's a good chance Jeanie was just trying to put a positive spin on things, and avoid any discomfort by trying to frame this as a win/win that had everyone on board. But either way, her comments got some attention. HOSTS: Andy and Brian KamenetzkySEGMENT 1: Did Jeanie dump on AD on purpose? SEGMENT 2: Whether she meant it or not, Jeanie didn't cover herself in glory, here. SEGMENT 3: In praise of Jaxson Hayes! Your favorite podcast now has a newsletter! 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And today, Andy, they are talking about Jeannie Bus and what she may have said about, or what she did say and what it may mean about Anthony Davis.
She definitely said it.
It's a tough question.
But what it may mean about Anthony Davis.
We'll talk about that momentarily.
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You and I, Andy, actually used to do some work for NPR.
and it was not necessarily a place where you think of sports news being made,
but Jeannie Bus, to her credit, managed to do it.
She was on NPR with our old buddy A. Martinez.
I forgot the name of the show.
Doesn't matter.
I was about to say Morning Joe, but that's clearly not it.
I believe it has morning in the title.
But anyway, morning edition.
Thank you.
Morning edition.
I thought you were thinking.
I thought you were talking about his local show before he went national.
The BNPR morning show is Morning Edition.
Morning Edition, yes, it is not Morning Joe.
But she was promoting Running Point, the show that is on Netflix, loosely based on her rise to the ranks as running the Lakers, owning it.
Kate Hudson's the star.
But eventually, Abe Martinez asked about the Luca Donchich deal.
And Jeannie said after talking about the needy.
to keep it all quiet and the importance of all that, said, quote,
we gave up a lot to get Luca Donchich.
We're happy to have him.
We have lost the last three years in a road at Denver Nuggets in the playoffs.
Editor's note only two.
And we really didn't have anything.
We really didn't have anything that was going to look different in the playoffs.
Again, Anthony Davis was complaining about where he was being played and he wasn't happy.
So I think this was a positive for both teams.
They got what they were looking for.
We got what we were looking for.
and I didn't realize it was going to be international news like it was,
but that's the power of the Laker brand and its ability to draw names
who want to draw big names who want to write their own chapter in Lakers history.
Obviously, the part about Anthony Davis, as she put it, complaining about where he was being played,
the reference to wanting to be more at the forespot,
regularly reminding, including a few days before the trade in an interview with Sham Sharania,
SBN that he thinks he is best suited to be a four, that he wants another center on the team.
It raises the question of the timing.
It also raises the question of how much, if at all, did Anthony Davis, to use Jeannie's own words,
essentially complain his way out of L.A.
I think there are two parts of this that need to be discussed.
There is the what Jeannie is certainly implying.
is that AD wasn't happy.
And when she says he wasn't happy,
that could mean he wasn't happy
in the sense that he wanted another center
and he just wished there was more support,
but wasn't broadly unhappy with being in Los Angeles,
being a member of the Lakers.
Although there's a lot of wiggle room between like,
I'm not happy about this specific thing
and I'm not happy, get me out of here.
There's no indication to me,
at least that the latter was the case, that Anthony Davis wanted to leave the Lakers.
He was also, quote unquote, complaining about something that, yes, it's a yearly event.
Anthony Davis reminds everybody that he does.
He prefers the four over the five and all that stuff.
The need for another big was not just being put out there by AD.
it was being put out there by everyone.
And so I think, you know,
you had a little bit of a different perspective
on what kind of center they should go get.
But the broad consensus was around the NBA,
around and whatever,
that the Lakers needed another big.
I don't know if I agree with that.
I think it is,
or a reserve big that they needed another center.
If you're asking me if the consensus was,
the Lakers needed more center depth. I would agree the answer is yes, and that is something we have
even said. Even I have said as somebody who has never, who's been saying for a few years,
recreating the 2020 model is not a thing for a variety of reasons. It's not viable. The question
of whether or not they needed more center depth is yes, but that's not totally what Anthony
Davis was asking for. Anthony Davis was asking for a setup where he could go back,
to 2020 and play at least 60%, if not more of his minutes at power forward rather than center
closer to that alignment and setup of 2020.
And that is not something that I think is.
Or the very least, more minutes than zero at power for.
Sure.
But I think I think he wanted it to be closer to a split or something that would be sizable enough to satisfy him, which I have to think.
is at least a decent chunk of minutes.
Otherwise, this would not come up every single year
if it was going to be 10% of his time on the court.
Like, that's not worth complaining about.
And I don't think the consensus was there
in terms of whether or not AD should play the four.
I've heard plenty of people more in my camp,
that that's not really a thing.
But what was keeping this conversation alive
was everybody,
in basketball media or Laker fans, NBA fans, whatever, noticing how this would become a
talking point every year because this is something Anthony Davis wanted perennally every year.
Yes. And so, you know, the Lakers were in an interesting spot because they, you know,
they were in an unenviable in the sense that you are built around a 40-year-old LeBron James and a
Anthony Davis on the back end of his prime.
I don't think he's too old to be effective.
Obviously, he was playing extremely well this season.
But you don't have a decade left with AD playing like he was over the course of the last couple seasons.
And so you have this tricky position you're in where you know you're going to pay him.
Like you're going to be invested in AD, but he's getting a little bit older.
he's got health concerns.
If you start to add questions of positionality to it to where you don't know how,
you don't know if you're going to have to construct the roster in a way you otherwise might
not want to just to satisfy your aging star, it does get to, it raises certain concerns
that I know for you were something to consider.
So next, I want to talk about your concerns, Andy,
and then my concerns about, at the very least,
how Jeannie said some of the stuff that she said.
So we'll get to all of that next.
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Andy, you, you two.
Your credit have raised a couple flags at the very least on the aging with Anthony Davis process that seems to be reflected in what Jeannie was talking about when she went on NPR.
Yeah.
And so it's clear.
I think the idea of Anthony Davis, quote unquote, complaining his way out of town would be an overstatement to frame this just because had Luca not been available for the Lakers,
I have serious doubts that the Lakers would have been even looking to move Anthony Davis.
But these comments from Jeannie reflect something I've talked about,
a lot of particularly this season,
that it's felt to me like the front office was not fully invested,
fully in belief of the LeBron AD pairing moving forward
and whatever it would be post-Lebron with Anthony Davis moving forward.
but because the Lakers never rebuild, like fully tear down, build up, that was never in the card.
So I'd been concerned about essentially a limbo period.
And then the Luca thing changed at all.
But I think Jeannie, without coming out and saying it necessarily, was I think reflecting some internal concern of just we're not going to be able to build around our future face, the guy that we had slated for that role,
in a way that's going to make him happy.
Like it's not just about 80s talent.
Like ironically,
these concerns were raised during a period
where Anthony Davis was playing some of the best basketball
of his career,
much less as a Laker.
Which is in part,
I think,
why he felt comfortable making those.
And a lot of people reacted very positively.
Even if it was like,
you know,
kind of eye rolling,
we're doing this again.
Like,
okay,
we know you,
month for the idea that AD, we always said take control, be assertive, you know, be an alpha,
all that kind of stuff, sits down with Shams and like, help me.
Like this is what I'm the star of this team.
I'm the best, you know, everybody says I'm the best player on this team.
These are things that we need to get better.
And so he did receive some praise for that.
Sure.
I mean, but as you said, I've been pretty consistent on this.
Like Anthony Davis is one of the best centers in the league, which makes devoting the type
a resource that I think Anthony Davis wanted towards another center, difficult to justify,
when A, he's already on the team, and B, LeBron, who is one of the best power forwards in the
league, and in a lot of ways, operates particularly defensively, more like a big than a wing.
Like, for all the switching is happening now, he often serves as a low man. And like, in Dallas,
they can, whether you think it's the best use of Anthony Davis or not, I personally don't think
it is, they can justify reconfiguring everything around Anthony Davis's once, you know,
when he's healthy again, because he's better than Derek lively. He's better than Daniel Gafford.
He's better than any power forward option on the Mavericks. So again, whether it's the best idea
or not, time will tell. You can at least rationalize doing that. I don't think the Lakers could.
And then in the meantime, too, another thing I've said a lot, like, there's a point where after hearing this
over and over from AD.
I don't blame the front office if their reaction is to quote Don Draper.
That's what the money's for.
Like we get it.
You want to play power forward.
It's not doable.
Asked, answered, with all sincere respect and appreciation, shut the F up.
Like what do you want us to do about this?
Like, do you really want us to make decisions for the roster that we don't think are in our best
interest, your best interest that don't really work within the cap, like with the way resources
would be allocated? Like, what do you want us to do? So in that sense, I do think AD played a role
in chipping away at the Lakers' confidence in his viability moving forward, even if they never,
I think, doubted his talent. And I do think they sincerely appreciated AD. I think there may be a,
there's probably a lot of overlap in the angst about AD and these sort of constant requests,
AD and the question of how he's going to age and like the,
you don't want a Joel M. B.
And AD is far healthier than any.
I realize AD's currently hurt.
But like, I think in part because he rushed back to try to get on the floor with the Mavs.
But he certainly got over the last few seasons,
a much cleaner bill of health than Joe L. M. Bid,
who may never be able to play.
He's a better player in the game in the season.
Period.
He's better than him now.
And so I think there's just a, you know, it kind of puts into a lot of things in like
that one bucket.
There's a lot of angst around AD in total.
Like how are we, they were in a box.
Like how are we going to compete and do this and maximize LeBron and AD?
You're still really good, but not good enough without a certain amount of, like they were
in this box.
Not as easy to build around together anymore?
No.
No.
And especially with their relative ages and the assets they have.
And so I think there was just a generalized angst.
This did not necessarily help.
But I'll say this.
The Lakers are normally really good at not seeming like their bad-mouthing guys as they've left him.
AD did nothing to, you know, he was, he didn't ask to go.
He wasn't doing anything but trying to win a title.
for the Lakers. He was a fantastic, you know, member of the team, great member of the community.
You didn't hear anything about work ethic. You didn't hear anything about pouting. You didn't
like 80 was as good of a, you know, culture guys as you want like all that stuff. And so I didn't,
I don't know if she meant it this way. But when she talks about he, you know, got what he wanted.
okay well he got what he wanted in the sense that he's going to be the center now but power forward
power forward i mean sorry thank you but did he get what he like that also implies that like he got
what he wanted like he wanted to be somewhere else and i'll tell you the part that really bugged me
the power was when she goes on and she says the power of the laker brand and its ability to draw
big names who want to write their own chapter in laker's history a anthony davis has been
perfectly happy to he wanted he literally forced his way here to be one of those guys who could write
his own chapter in lakers history has it been a perfect thing no but he did win a title and he's been
always he's a first ballot hall of famer who will have his jersey retired his way out of new orleans
to be here right i mean that's a guy who really wanted to write his you know write his future and
you know who write there he write his own chapter um conversely luke
showed no interest in writing his own chapter in Laker's history.
He's going to, and I have a lot of optimism that it's going to be an awesome chapter or chapters and all of that stuff.
But like it's a, it's an incredibly disingenuous framing.
And it comes on the heels of this conversation we had, I think it was last week, about Luca's introduction to Laker, this concept
of Lakers exceptionalism.
And this is the bad part.
Like you and I talked about this,
like this hubris and this arrogance about the,
like, of course everybody wants to be a Laker.
Not and not,
it's not for everybody.
And the way she sets this up is,
look,
I guess in the end,
being a Laker just wasn't for Anthony Davis,
but it was for Luca.
So that and the fact that they've only lost to Denver twice.
But like the idea that she would say that about him on his way out when he was the one who wanted to be here and ascribe those qualities to Luca who was as shocked as anybody that he was even coming.
I don't know if she meant it that way, but it is a reflection of that sort of institutional arrogance that the team slips into.
sometimes in the mythology.
And it was, it is, they pride themselves, Andy, on how well they treat their stars.
They showed a great video to AD on the way out.
Like they did everything right by him.
And then this sort of stuff, it's not a really big deal, but it did kind of sit with me poorly.
Well, you may recall when we were having this discussion and you said that you thought that they had learned the lessons.
And I said, slow down.
I thought I hope.
I thought they learned.
No, initially you said you thought they did.
Then I realized that was that was probably not true.
This is why I said, slow down.
I need more evidence that lessons have been.
Look, Andy, you are, you're older than I am, you're been around longer, you're wiser.
And so you see these things.
But yeah, I mean, I would like to think that's not, because if for no other reason,
the Lakers generally understand the politics of this kind of stuff.
And it's bad politics to to rag on your star who did nothing wrong.
on his after you trade him.
But the end result is the, or conversations like this,
was Jeannie Trashing Anthony Davis after the trade?
Andy, one guy who I know you don't think should be trashed.
How's that for a seg?
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mentioned earlier andy that we always every single day you and i are going into the comments section
on the youtube page we are reading we are responding as much as possible and one
One of the most common questions that we've been getting are about Trey Jemison is about, are about
Trey Jemison and Jordan Goodwin and whether or not, because they are currently not playoff
eligible as they are two-way players, whether or not the Lakers will convert them, can
convert both of them, can get them basically able to play for the Lakers in the playoffs.
The short answer is yes, both of them, the Lakers do have enough room before they reach
the second apron to convert both of those contracts, release two guys, probably Alex Lennon and
Cam Reddish. And then both Goodwin and Jemison would be playoff eligible, but they have zero
incentive to do it quickly. It actually saves them money against the luxury tax to continue to let
these guys be on two ways until their eligibility has expired. So there's, and it's also a little bit of
injured. Long and short of it, Andy, no reason to worry the Lakers can do whatever they want with
those guys. Absolutely. So I would be stunned if they are not both converted by the end of the
season, particularly Jordan Goodwin. So nothing to worry about. I would, if this has been something
you're freaking out about or thinking they're not going to be playoff eligible or whatever,
don't worry about it. Speaking of guys, though, who will be in the playoffs, Jackson Hayes. And last
night he had 19 and 10 against the Pelicans, eight of eight from the field. I was looking over
some of his splits. I may have misread it, but I think he's shooting 100% in March.
Extremely small sample size, but dude has been really good around the rim.
Well, yeah, I mean, done's the way up, man. I tweeted out during the Pelicans game, and it got a
lot of engagement from it. I'm not saying Jackson Hayes is the first choice starting
center for a team with title aspirations.
But by now it needs to be acknowledged more often that he's been holding down the position
reasonably well.
There's space between all NBA caliber and killing the team.
And some of the response I got are pushback was some version of Luca Donchich makes
all rim running bigs look incredible.
It's basically the byproduct of Luca.
And obviously, Jackson,
Hayes will benefit more from Luca in the same way.
Even LeBron is benefiting more from Luca.
Like that's self-evident.
But some of, you got to remember, Jackson Hayes has only played, I think, eight or
nine games with Luca.
And there's been a long stretch of Jackson Hayes playing pretty well, including the
five games between Anthony Davis's injury and Luca's debut.
during that period, 25 minutes per game, averaging 8.7 rebounds, 2 assists, a steal, nearly two blocks, 77% from the field, plus 11 for plus minus, a net rating of 19.5.
And what's interesting is in the numbers since Luca, they're still good, but a couple of them are actually worse.
22 minutes, 8.5 points a game, five rebounds in a block plus 6.2, and an 11.
net rating. And then if you stretch it back to say January 15th and now where you get some period
where 80, but this is right around when the Lakers first began really clicking as a group, Jackson
Hayes, 20 minutes per game, six points, five rebounds in a block plus three point nine plus
minus, a net rating of nine. And then if you include all of January through now, so two months
in change, Jackson Hayes, 18 minutes a game, six points, four rebounds in a block plus three points.
6, net rating of 7.6.
And obviously there's context to all of these numbers.
But one thing that jumps out is they're pretty consistent.
And I think they match an eye test where for 2025,
Jackson Hayes has been somewhere between solid and actually playing really well.
And I think we've reached a point where in talking about Hayes,
he doesn't raise the ceiling, obviously, in a way that you would hope for your starting.
center or starting anybody on a team of title aspirations. But between Luca and LeBron and I think
Reeves and Rui and like the banshees defensively as JJ calls them, like in their own right,
those guys all raise the ceiling. What matters most with Jackson Hayes is what he does
with the floor. And at worst, what we've seen is he keeps the floor level. I would argue
he's actually raising the floor over the last couple months. I think so. I mean, it depends.
You can argue about sort of the definitions of all of these things, but I do think what's clear is a couple.
Well, a couple things I think are clear.
First, it has helped him to know that he has a defined role.
For a little while, it was like, okay, whether it's by default for lack of better options, whatever it might be.
I am the backup center and I'm going to play 10 to 15 minutes a night.
barring weird matchups, whatever.
I'm going to go out there and I'm going to do, you know,
what it is I'm asked to do.
And there you go.
When Anthony Davis got hurt, the role became even more clear.
I'm the starting center, again, whether because there aren't any other options,
because I'm playing the bad with all of those things are true.
But I know I'm going to get 20 to 25 minutes and I'm going to be asked to do X, Y, and Z.
And I'm going to go out and I'm going to do it the best I can.
And now that AD has been traded, it's even more, you know, like defined because Christian Coloco is clearly not as effective.
And Alex Lenn is clearly not as effective. And Trey Jemison is not as effective. And Hayes is really like purpose built for what they need out of a center offensively right now.
They don't need a guy who's going to pound the ball in the post and do a bunch of moves and stuff like that.
They need a vertical threat who can set a good screen,
will roll aggressively to the basket and can dunk.
He can do that stuff.
They need a guy who can move defensively,
which he has, a very good athlete, moves very well
and can provide at least some attempt for rim protection here and there,
which he does.
It's not a classic rim protector,
but he puts up some resistance there.
And I think most importantly,
the Lakers as a coaching staff, Andy,
I think I've done a really good job of defining roles
and putting guys who are at the level of Jackson Hayes
in situations where they can thrive.
He's not asked to play 37 minutes a game.
He's asked even without a real viable backup center,
although they're starting to give a little more minutes to Jemison now,
but even without a really viable backup center,
they're not pushing him to 35 minutes a night out of need
because that you start to get a diminishing return.
They're keeping him in his lane.
They're keeping his work very specific.
And he's thriving in it.
And I think that is 100% true.
How much I don't, and I'll say this too.
What I really like about the Hayes role is that it doesn't necessarily need to change
much in the playoffs.
I think they might play him less in the playoffs.
It's certainly possible that in certain.
center matchups he might play less.
But they don't need to drop him to like 15 a night.
Like he can still kind of do 20 to 25 minutes.
Go out there and do your stuff.
He's still going to be a vertical threat.
He's still going to be because the Lakers now are fundamentally built on the ball movement
and shot creation of Donchich, LeBron, and Reeves.
You mentioned how the coaching staff has been doing a good job of putting Hayes and really
everybody on the team, but particularly the role players in positions where they can play
their strength as often as possible and thrive as much as possible.
And when you talked about Hayes not being a classic rim protector, I agree.
One of the things that I think the coaching staff has done really well,
JJ's credit leading this, is recognizing that Hayes' strength defensively,
despite his size and his position, is not protecting the lane.
But he's actually, I think, very good, particularly for his size defending in space
and switching out on guys and providing essentially like a really tall wing presence along the
perimeter guarding certain guys. So he does that at times. He sometimes has to protect the lane. That's his
job. But some coaches would be really dogmatic about the idea of you are a center. It is your job
to protect the lane. Go do that despite it not being his best strength. And I think JJ and the staff
has done a good job recognizing, like, use him in other way so you get the best version of
them. The other thing offensively that I think Hayes has really, I think we saw signs of it last
year, but this year he's really come around. He's become a good passer out of the short roll.
Like, you know, I'm not saying he's going to be the guy that you run your offense through
off the short role, but he has good instincts moving the ball. There was that great play against
the Pelicans that, you know, LeBron runs this dog.
gets fed, sets up Vando who had been lurking in the dunker spot for an easy, an easy dunk.
But that began with Hayes along the baseline recognizing the dive.
And he does a good job, I think, passing out of situations where he's starting to get into
trouble as opposed to trying to work his way out himself and making the problem worse.
Again, stay in your lane.
If you know, you're not, he's not there to create shots for himself.
If the shot is not created for him, he's not going to take it.
And so, you know, he is very, for people who like classic movies, he is very, you know,
Sundance kit.
He's better when he moves.
He's better when he moves offensively.
From Butch Cassidy in the Sundance kid.
Right.
He's better when he moves defensively.
And like the more he's sort of staying still in one spot, the more useless he becomes.
And so I think, again, I just think they, he, they are rewarding.
his playing style, which is even when he wasn't playing well, even when he was piling up fouls,
you know, foul a minute or whatever, you could never accuse the guy of not playing hard.
He always tries.
And I think they've been able to harness that activity in, in positive ways, really by stripping
away things that like here are 10 things that we not only do you do not have to do.
If we see you try them, we might bench you, you know, if we see you take.
a jumper from the elbow.
We're probably going to bench you.
We see you try to be a stretch five.
We're probably going to bench you.
I wouldn't worry about it.
But still, I see your point.
He's having two threes all year.
And I think he's taking about five shots outside of the paint all year.
Like, don't go do that.
If you have to, we don't even want you taking five footers.
You know, if the shot's not there, pass it to someone else, move out of the way,
let somebody else fill that space.
he has at the least.
And I'm happy for him because I've been a Jackson Hay's skeptic
in terms of his ability to play a 25 minute a role.
You know, it contextually is much different now.
But whatever the context is, he's doing a good job.
And I'm happy for him because it's, you know, you never want to see guys that young,
you know, potentially fall out of the league.
And I think at the very least, he's given himself a future with this franchise.
Lakers playing the Knicks to know.
night, of course, Andy, at the crypt.
Carl Anthony Towns will be available.
He will be available.
Okay.
Yes. Stefan Bondi, I believe, reported that probably from scrum or whatever.
Yeah, he missed a cat missed.
He's healthy, but he missed the last game for personal reasons.
And at the time, at least, Tibbs was not sure when he would be rejoining the group.
So that is good news for the next.
Good news for Lakers fans.
He makes a better game.
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