Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - JJ Redick, Rob Pelinka Outline Priorities. Plus, the Lakers Get Dodgerfied!

Starting point is 00:00:00 Rob Polinkin, JJ Redick lay out their organizational priorities heading into the offseason. We'll explain what they want next. You are Locked-on Lakers. Your daily Los Angeles Lakers podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Thanks to everybody for stopping by Lockedon Lakers, Brian Komenetsky, Andy Komenetsky, the off-season is upon us. And Rob Polinka and JJ Redick honored the occasion by meeting with the media. and their exit interviews on Tuesday. We talked a lot about that for the short show.

Starting point is 00:00:42 We did a live show on Tuesday afternoon, but still plenty more to unpack from that conversation as we start to get into the nuts and bolts of what should be a very busy and will undoubtedly be a very consequential offseason in one way or another. So things we want to get into today, the priorities that they set, whether you're talking about depth, whether you're talking about

Starting point is 00:01:11 player development, organizational development, what I call the dodgerification of the Lakers, which we're already seeing signs of from that interview. So plenty of things to look at. I mean, I thought one of the most interesting, especially coming off the Thunder series, Andy, was this idea of building real depth. in ways that go beyond just having, you know, nine playable guys, which is a lot of times how that gets defined. I think what we learned over the course of the season, and JJ reinforced this on Tuesday is you need 12 or 13 playable guys

Starting point is 00:01:48 that you're confident because either you need to mix and match, you need to have different responses to different situations, or you might find that four or five of them are hurt anyway. So that clearly is a big organizational goal. When JJ talked about this during the exit interview, he was actually asked a question about depth through the prism of, would this potentially lead to you playing a longer rotation a la what Mark Dagnall did with the Thunder in the second round series that we just concluded? And JJ said, quote, I don't necessarily view depth as a rotation thing, though, whether you play eight, nine, whether you play eight, nine, whether you play 11, 12, you need to have depth. And that depth typically comes in sort of the roster spots 10 through 15. And whether that's internal development, draft, trade, free agency,

Starting point is 00:02:45 whatever it is, we need to build depth beyond just an eight or nine man rotation. Then later said, so really it is just about building that depth. You know, we can figure out as coaches what a rotation looks like. But if you look at OKC's roster, you look at San Antonio's roster, you know, those guys, they have 13 high-level rotation players minimum, and that's a luxury to have in the NBA. And one of the reasons those teams are really good. And it's interesting, A, to just hear JJ define this in a way that isn't about changing the way he and his coaching staff operate,

Starting point is 00:03:24 as far as on the court and implement things, as much as it is just having more options, just on a game by game basis for whatever reason you need options, and there will be hundreds of reasons to need options over the course of a season. But also, too, JJ noting that is a luxury to have OKC's roster with that many high-level rotation players, San Antonio's roster with that many high rotation players. It's a luxury. We know it is not common.

Starting point is 00:03:57 And that's what we're shooting for. We are shooting for the uncommon. At the very least, I think what the Lakers need to, look, San Antonio and Oklahoma City in different times in different ways, both, you know, San Antonio's jumped up in the lottery twice, you know, once to get Wembe and another time to get Dylan Harper. Like those are nice results. You know, they've been able to make some trades after some bad seasons.

Starting point is 00:04:28 you know, you end up with Stefan Castle, like just, you know, they've done some smart things with picking up Champany. Like, there's just, there's a lot going on there. They've also gone through that type of rebuilding process. The Lakers don't have access to right now. Oklahoma City the same way. But what I think is, you know, so while it's a luxury that you definitely try to aim for, I think at the very least what the Lakers need to try to do is figure out a way that the

Starting point is 00:04:57 sort of $10 to $11 million and under slots on the team are filled out in ways that are more constructive. I understand why Maxi Claibah, how he got to Los Angeles, that it was really a math problem, not necessarily the Lakers saying that's the guy we want. But Maxi, despite his best efforts, did not offer the Lakers much this season. I think that's fair to say. JJ, whether you believe he should be able to get more out of Jared Vanderbilt than he does is a different question. But he clearly isn't looking at Vando as a player that he really wants to be in the rotation. That's $22 million worth of player right there.

Starting point is 00:05:47 The Lakers, 22.5 million that they don't either can't play or don't particularly want to play. you know, Dalton Connect was $4 million that they couldn't put on the floor or at least after, you know, didn't after a certain amount of time, I thought he got plenty of opportunities and so on. And then, you know,

Starting point is 00:06:07 Nick Smith had a couple moments, including the Nick Smith game, but Chris Mannion, you know, Bronny James to some extent, you know, a Duthero, all for different reasons. The back end of the Lakers roster

Starting point is 00:06:20 just either, it was both a combination of two expensive, and not useful enough. And you end up taking a guy like Jake La Ravia who probably should be your seventh or eighth guy. And playing him a ton, in part because La Ravia was available, but also because you just become over-reliant on him

Starting point is 00:06:40 because the other options aren't great. Yeah, it's at least the way JJ sees it. And, you know, people will have different ideas about the way you should use a rotation and how deep you should go. One of the reason the Thunder can play so damn hard all the time is Mark Dagnall goes pretty deep into a rotation of quality players. There will be other teams even with good rosters that don't necessarily go that deep. But what you're talking about is having the ability to play the majority of your roster

Starting point is 00:07:16 without worrying about it. We talked a lot during the Thunder series. Aaron Wiggins and Kenrich Williams don't play much for the Thunder, but it's not because Mark Dagnow doesn't trust them. It's not because they're not legit NBA players. Like Aaron Wiggins was in the rotation last year. I was going to say Wiggins played a lot during the year.

Starting point is 00:07:36 But I mean, but when they won the title last year, he was in the rotation. Like he's proven that he can be quite literally part of a championship team. Kenridge Williams is a pros pro. they just aren't needed on an everyday basis. But if there are injuries that force one of them to play, it doesn't even feel like forcing them to because Dagnos cool with it. The Lakers, once you got past a certain point,

Starting point is 00:08:04 it felt like you were rolling the dice and just hoping for the best as opposed to really feeling confident about the performances and what you're going to get. J.J.'s, again, J.J. is correct. that is a luxury, they're going for the luxury. That's not normal. And there's space in between. Like there is room to build depth and have parts that fit better and have fewer sort of deadweight spots. Where like, you know, look, Brony, Addu Thero, every NBA roster has, you know, two or three guys on it that aren't expected to play right now that you're trying to develop that are too young,

Starting point is 00:08:46 to whatever, to something. And so that's okay. But then some of those teams, like there were a lot of really, really, really valuable two-way players this year. And the Lakers got some use out of their two-way guys over the course of the season, but other teams got more. And, you know, how do you... Drew Timmy had some good moments.

Starting point is 00:09:11 Drew Timmie had some good moments. You know, Nick Smith, you know, there's no such thing as a Nick Smith game. if Nick Smith doesn't have a next year for that matter you know try jemison they got plenty they got plenty of value out of a two-way guy last year with jemps sure as an example they they've they've been able to put guys on the floor who are periodically serviced but there are a lot of different ways to look at how you what you want out of two-way guys um but they didn't have like a Caleb love for example on portland who when they were having a lot of injuries love was playing really big minutes and providing them really good minutes and became one of those guys that you convert to a

Starting point is 00:09:49 regular contract because you're like, well, we can't let this. Like this guy is part of our future going forward. So like, you know, you want to be able to find that mix of things. But you, what you can't have are two or three or four guys that are being paid like they are part of your rotation, who aren't. you know, Adieu Thero costs two and a half million bucks. Brony costs two and a half million.

Starting point is 00:10:17 That's fine. It doesn't matter. It's the other guys that really become more important. And then, you know, you hope, okay, they may not be able to match what Oklahoma City does with their depth, but can you get two more players deep in your rotation next year? And some of that could be internal with Thero getting a little bit better. You know, Brani maybe becoming a step further along.

Starting point is 00:10:40 and you could play him for 10 minutes a night or 8 minutes a night as part of your rotation, if needed, whatever it might be. You hope some of it's internal, but some of it's just picking better players off the free agent market, minimum guys, whatever it might be. The Lakers really need to find that. Player development, something else that JJ Reddick and Rob Polink had talked about, as well as the dodgerification, as I'm calling it, of the organization. Those two things actually are a little bit related.

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Starting point is 00:12:32 You know, just to kind of wrap up this question about depth and player development, all this other stuff, like, because I want to get to this, the sort of franchise development. The player development piece of it, I think actually can happen better when you have that sort of stable, you know, group of guys, you know, 10 or 11, 12 deep that you know are legitimate NBA players. They have the versatility there. And you can look at your two-way guys as development players or carry a couple rookies and stuff like that. It's when you, it's really when you get to that dart throwing, you know, exercise where you're not sure like, oh, I need this person. Like we might need our two-way guys to play minutes because we don't really know about Vando or Claibah or, you know, or it's just, it, it, it makes it harder to do everything when you don't feel like you have that usable depth, you know, at your disposal. Well, also, too, I think it makes it easier to develop them the way you want them to be developed, like the way you picture them as. more fully realized players, the more you can put them around better actual NBA rotation players,

Starting point is 00:13:52 the easier it is to keep them tailored in their lane. Like we talked about with due Thero during the playoffs, part of the reason that his game three run, it was more extended than Game 4, but I thought it was pretty successful. And you pointed this out, and you were correct. They were able to put Thero in a role in game three where it's like, go play to your strengths. We've got the right players around you, particularly in the second shift when Maxi wasn't out there with him, where Thero could really just do the things that he's good enough now in an NBA game to do. The more important players are missing and the more you put guys out there

Starting point is 00:14:34 who aren't ready for that role, it actually may not help their development. Sometimes getting thrown into the fire can be useful, but sometimes it can speed guys up or hurt confidence or build bad habits or whatever. Like it's really helpful if they have better infrastructure. I'm looking forward to see what they do because, you know, look, the Dodger, I'm sorry, I'm jumping ahead. The Lakers have expressed a lot of organizational priorities around culture, around, you know, building a championship caliber team.

Starting point is 00:15:07 Our Luca, you know, it includes player development. It includes organizational development. All of these other things. Some of these are going to have to be longer term goals than others. They can't do all of these things at once. It's very difficult to fully prioritize player development while you're fully prioritizing winning around Luca. I think, you hope to see steps or you're building a program that's coherent with your G-League

Starting point is 00:15:36 team, which is moving out to Coachella. Or you're seeing the players that you do have. a little bit better, whether that's Thero, whether that's Brony, whether that's whoever they bring in this off-season. But you can't do all of them at once. And how the Lakers sort of prioritize their different goals, we'll see what happens. I mean, it's almost certain to me that they're going to prioritize the next, you know, couple of seasons in terms of maximizing the capacity to build a winning team. But they are going to try to, it seems, to kind of walk and chew gum at the same time.

Starting point is 00:16:15 I think there's a lot of things that just I look at and say, where's the incremental progress? Like this offseason, for example, I do not expect Rob Polinka and, you know, assistant GMX1 and assistant GMX2 to transform this roster from where is right? They're hiring Claude large language models. I do not expect this roster.

Starting point is 00:16:43 to after, you know, July 15th or whatever, to look like front running contenders. I will be thrilled if that's the case, but that's not my expectation because I don't think that is realistic between the Lakers. You know, they got cap space, but it's not infinite. They've got a draft pick they can use, but they don't have multiple that they can use on people. They have a few they can use in trades, but really only one as people. Like it's not a great free agency pool. You never know exactly who might end up being moved, but regardless. What's available on paper and stuff like that right now is very thin.

Starting point is 00:17:25 So I do not expect the Lakers to look like Thunder 2.0 in terms of potency this offseason because that's not a fair standard to hold Rob to. It's not realistic. I expect incremental improvement. It's off season and maybe during the season, deadline, whatever, and then the summer of 2027. I expect them to keep getting better. However, and you could say the same thing with player development too. Like if you're talking about a do, you're talking about brawny,

Starting point is 00:17:54 like whoever is young on the roster seems like still in a development phase. I expect incremental improvement. But this offseason, if the dust settles and the roster does not seem tantamination, tangibly better or they have run it back whether by choice, no choice, somewhere in between, and it does not feel justified, that's going to feel like a failure. Like, you know, they're incremental is what I'm holding them to, tangible and incremental. Well, there has to be better by the way. It's a more generous standard than I think a lot of Lakers fans are me holding them to.

Starting point is 00:18:35 It's a different question, but, you know, I don't think most Lakers fans are, expecting something incremental, which is, you know, we've seen Dan Waiky and same AMIC reporting and some other people that, you know, internally the Lakers don't believe that running it back is necessarily a viable option. It's not something that's palatable to them. But they also want to bring back a bunch of guys. Right. We'll talk about like what is and how do you think they define running it back versus not running it back? That's something else that we can get into. I do want to touch on this notion. I mentioned that the G-League team is moving the South Bay Lakers or becoming the Coachella

Starting point is 00:19:13 Valley Lakers, which is primarily a money-making move. It's going to help that G-League team become a bit more of an income driver being able to play out there as opposed to at the facility. But the interesting thing that it does, and you talked about Assistant GMX and assistant GMY, and that's part of this conversation. Rob noted on Tuesday that part of the benefit for the Lakers of the G-League team moving out is it opens up a lot of space around the facility, like literal space that those guys were using to practice and train and all that kind of stuff is now available for other things.

Starting point is 00:19:54 And among the stuff that they're planning on using that space for is to build out their medical recovery, their biometrics, there are all this sort of functional training. and, you know, high-end cutting-edge stuff. And on the one hand, you know, I had to look up what a lot of that stuff even meant, like a biomechanics lab. I've no idea what that is. And I'm not sure, you know,

Starting point is 00:20:20 some of these things that they're talking about may not even exist, but they sound cool. Well, no, according to... No, biomechanics lab is a real thing. Well, just in case some of the audience doesn't know what this is. And again, I didn't know until I looked it up, according to figure,

Starting point is 00:20:35 eight with an eight, tech.com. Biomechanics are critical and understanding human movement, diagnosing disorders, and developing rehabilitation strategies. These labs are equipped with advanced technology to capture and analyze the intricacies of human motion. A recovery lab, according to recovery lab.com, is a lot of cryotherapy, hyperbaric chambers, stretching services, and the like. I could not find a really reliable definition for a movement lab, which involved everything from dance to politics. It's the same, which I don't think the latter. The movement lab and the biomechanics lab are going to be, there's going to be some overlap there. But like the point being that these are expensive things, like all of this is stuff that you would say to yourself, that's great.

Starting point is 00:21:29 shouldn't they have already had that stuff? You're the Los Angeles freaking Lakers. Shouldn't you already have had the best, you know, biomechanics lab or leading biomechanics lab at your facility? Shouldn't you already have the movement lab and the cryotherapy and the hyperbaric chambers? The answer to all those questions is yes. It's kind of astonishing the Lakers didn't have that stuff.

Starting point is 00:21:55 LeBron's probably got three at his house. At least. But that's neither here nor there. I mean, it is a function of how they've been operating for the last three decades that, you know, this stuff hasn't been an option. Next, though, let's talk about kind of what this means. Like you have all this stuff where it's coming from how they're doing it and why. Yes, no ego says, will this biomechanics lab? teach Reeves how to stay in front of a guy.

Starting point is 00:22:30 It's not a miracle working lab. It's a biomechanics lab. I don't think there are biomechanics that can fix that. But like there's a lot going on here. The word Dodgers came up in Tuesday's press conference a lot. And, you know, Mark Walter is definitely and very clearly and definitive. putting his stamp on how this organization is going to operate and how many people are going to be in it. So we'll talk about that next.

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Starting point is 00:25:00 somebody from their business side, somebody from, we've already seen certain elements of the influence of the Dodgers on the business end because more things are you kind of look around, like more things are sponsored, you know, more parts of the radio broadcast, more parts of the in-stadium experience, all these are the things. So you're seeing more of that. The Dodgers are not shy about monetizing anything that goes on at Dodgers Stadium. Excuse me, unique low field at Dodger Stadium. You know, it's experiencing that, but now we're going to start seeing some of the basketball side with we talked about in the last segment the use of this space to build out their biomechanics and their medical stuff, all this ancillary training and player health stuff that is important for winning, costs a ton of money, has no salary cap, and is a place where the Lakers can leverage their vast and amazing wealth. Rob also talked about the addition of front office staff and they've alluded to finally bringing back a full-time scouting staff.

Starting point is 00:26:09 All this stuff is happening, Andy, and it really is done with the Dodgers model in mind. We're eventually going to hear who the assistant GMs one and two are because those are the type of hires that do get announced. Who's got four thumbs in his words? willing to take the gig? These guys, let me tell you, we would end up below market rate. Like if they're looking to pay for an extra biomechanic lab or whatever, I mean,

Starting point is 00:26:42 I know Mark Walters made of money, but even billionaires, you know, they check their balance every now and then. This would be, I guarantee you and I together don't cost even a third of whatever a movement lab is. We would have to give up the podcast, though. We probably would. And look, maybe this is how we play hardball with David Locke. Like he turns around and goes over the top of Mark Walter and the Lakers.

Starting point is 00:27:10 Oh! Played y'all like fools. But we're going to hear who the assistant GMs are. But Rob said they've actually started already hiring and bringing in some people that they haven't announced. And they don't tend to announce all. of these different people. Again, us. Again, it's us. We're double dipping with the Lakers and doing this show. If all of a sudden you notice that everything they do is perfect, don't read anything. This just handed to me, breaking news. Rob Polinka is great leader. He's the best

Starting point is 00:27:49 general manager, president of basketball operations that the NBA has ever seen. I cannot. Nobody could argue against this the amount of stuff that i'm going to steal from the office in terms of swag is staggering i mean they they better lock that bleep down because i am i mean nobody pays nobody pays i mean that building is filled with large extra large triple extra large quadruple extra large because everybody nobody pays attention to what happens to the medium you know like and i'm i'm I'm guessing you and I last a week of top, so I need to start stealing immediately. I need to start taking everything out. But back to the original point, Rob said they already have started building out this front office,

Starting point is 00:28:37 presumably modernizing it, presumably bringing it more up to speed. Forget us to the Dodgers model to like the models around the NBA, their direct competition. They're just, the primary sort of through line here, the common denominator is really what I was searching for is money. The reason the Lakers didn't do this is, to some degree, Jeannie just didn't like large circles. You know, she didn't like people in the building that she kind of wasn't comfortable with, didn't understand what was going on. She wanted to be surrounded by people that she knew and trusted and all that kind of stuff. Rob Polenko was not exactly incentivized to encourage filling the front office with people who could be his replacements. He was able to consolidate influence, consolidate power.

Starting point is 00:29:37 Had a good year. This isn't a judgment on competence. It's a judgment on sort of job security and power consolidation. But the other reason is the Lakers are just sort of notoriously cheap. about this kind of stuff. They run like a mom and pop operation, and they essentially were. It was family business. It's a valuable one, but in terms of like regular cash flow and this and that, whatever, the Lakers just have never, in the time, the 20 years basically, you and I've been doing this. They've never been a team that spends luxuriously on the ancillary stuff, the extra front

Starting point is 00:30:18 office stuff, the all these. And so now, you know, Rob is. going to be at the center of it. He's going to be controlling the department. He's going to be, but there is no choice of whether or not the department is going to expand. I think Rob's fine with it, but he also doesn't have a choice. So he might as well be. Well, I mean, this was something I remember when the news broke of the sale and that Mark Walter and his group was going to be taking over. And there was a lot of how is Rob going to react to this, Beyond his job security, Rob is used to a lot of unilateral power and decision making.

Starting point is 00:31:00 He's been very good at, frankly, protecting it. How is he going to react to, if not working directly under somebody or answering directly to somebody in basketball ops, having more people around him with a voice that matters? And I am guessing having a boss to please that, that is going to be more difficult than Jeannie. Like if I'm just being blunt about this, I think Mark Walter will be harder to please than Jeannie.

Starting point is 00:31:32 And one of the things that I thought at the time was, if Rob leans into this and really accepts the idea of, you know, my job is as safe as my performance allows it to be, but also these people around me can be resources as opposed to, adversaries or people that I'm watching my back over, it might actually allow Rob Polinka to become the best version of himself. Because even if you think Rob Polinka has been his entire time running the Lakers tragically and criminally underrated and does not get the respect that he deserves and really he's been better than his reputation, he would still...

Starting point is 00:32:16 Who are those people other than Mrs. Polinka? Tragically, it's one thing to think he's under But tragically underrated. I don't know how many, I don't know how many kids Rob has as well. I know he's going to. I'm just saying, I mean, I'm trying to come up with the count. But even if you believe that, he'd still need these people around him because the job is too big just for him and like him and the ram by. It's too big.

Starting point is 00:32:43 Like he needs these people around him to help him. He needs the people. He, here's the thing. And we can quit here. This to me is going to be one of the most interesting things to watch over the course of the off season, you know, over the next couple of years. This is how this franchise transforms. If you want to defend Rob, one way that you can is to say, like, look, I mean, obviously,

Starting point is 00:33:07 it's worked to his advantage in the sense that it was, it felt almost literally impossible for him to get fired from this job. So there's a benefit to that. But the flip side is there were certain constraints that made it harder for. for him to completely excel in that he was working with a financial structure that not necessarily, I'm not talking about player salaries, the Lakers have always spent there, but the other stuff that without complaining about it has worked with these constraints and done sort of the best. This is the defense if you want to go this way. Now he gets to actually work with a full department.

Starting point is 00:33:48 He gets to work with all of the bells and whistles that a GM would want to operate a team like the Lakers. And if you're a defender of Rob, you can look at it and say, well, yeah, now we're really going to find out because he's going to have access to all the same tools that everybody else has. And I don't, I think there's a little bit of truth to that. I don't, I think it's a little, not sure I would buy that as an argument, but it still remains that Rob is going to have at his disposal more tools.

Starting point is 00:34:21 pools than he has ever had. And how he uses them, how the Lakers improve around the margins, how their scouting gets a little bit better, which had been outstanding and has sort of had a bumpy last couple of seasons. Those kinds of things will see what the results are because the Lakers need to get better around. If you want to catch Oklahoma City, you want to catch San Antonio, you got to be better around the margins. You've got to do all the little things right. You can't make 11 or $12 million mistakes on individual players in your rotation. All that stuff matters.

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Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - JJ Redick, Rob Pelinka Outline Priorities. Plus, the Lakers Get Dodgerfied!

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