Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Lakers Acquire Dorian Finney-Smith, Shake Milton. Good Deal? More Trades to Come?

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Starting point is 00:00:41 excited at what happened on Sundays. The Lakers make a significant move trading DeAngelo Russell and Maxwell Lewis along with three second round picks to the Brooklyn Nets for Dorian Finney Smith, the 3-and-D wing along with Guard Shake Milton.

Starting point is 00:01:03 So plenty, plenty, plenty to unpack over the course of this episode, Andy. I know you talked about it a little bit on Sunday in an emergency podcast. But this was, you know, Dorian Finney Smith's been a guy that's been on the radar for the Lakers for a while. And on Sunday, they finally figured out a way to make the deal happen. We'll get into the particulars about this deal, what we like about it, anything if at all that we don't. But I think what is pretty difficult to argue is that the Lakers got Doreen Phiney Smith and I'd say to a lesser degree, Shake Milton. I'm not sure exactly what his role is going to be, but DFS was the primary target. That was, they did not overpay for Dorian Finney Smith.

Starting point is 00:01:52 The idea of three second round picks and then expiring, even acknowledging what needs to be replaced with DeAngelo Russell going out the door. what they gave up for what they got in return was more than fair, but also frankly, less than some of us had thought it would be leading up to this day, and certainly less than what the Nets were demanding this time last year. Well, sure. Yeah, certainly other guys. It was, it is interesting, you know, multiple reports, you know, including from Mark Stein and others, that the, the,

Starting point is 00:02:31 The Nets actually turned down a protected first rounder from Memphis and preferred the Lakers deal. There are some other things that went into it in terms of draft capital potentially going back to Memphis or they got a first round and all that kind of stuff. But a first rounder was an option for them. It's interesting to me. It's not something we need to unpack in this episode. The value of second round picks in this new CBA is something to watch out for. But yeah, I mean, you can't get something without giving up something. And Finney Smith is good at, you know, I saw our friend Cranjus McBasketball,

Starting point is 00:03:12 Tim underscore NBA put it this way on his Twitter feed. He's very good at what he's good at. And so if you use him in the way that he's supposed to be used, Dorian Finney Smith is really good at the stuff that you would want him to do. He is one of the few guys who at, you know, A lot of people get called a 3-and-D wing and are either three or D or neither, and they're just wings. And they just, but like, that's what they want them to be.

Starting point is 00:03:45 He really is both. He is shooting over 43% this season. And while that is a career high from three-point ranch, I should say. And while that is a career high for DFS, he had three seasons in Dallas where he between like 37 and a half and 39 and a half. So it's not crazy out of line for other seasons that he's had. And, you know, Finney Smith continually ranks, you know, pretty well in the defensive metrics for wing players. And so he really is a, you know, low usage, 3 and D guy does need the ball in his hands a lot,

Starting point is 00:04:26 but shoots a good percentage at reasonable volume in these good seasons, averaging around five, five threes a game. And this is a skill set the Lakers really needed. And to get it, as much as I like DeAngelo Russell, and they are going to miss what DeLo provided. If he's not going to start,

Starting point is 00:04:46 you're not getting 35 minutes a night out of him. What he was able to provide for them just isn't as important as what, theoretically, a genuine three-indie wing who can guard up in ways to say like Max Christie can't. It's a good thing for this Lakers rotation. Yeah, Angela Russell, I think, is more of a ceiling raiser for this team in the sense that when he goes off, you know, as a score,

Starting point is 00:05:16 he can really go off as a score and a shooter in ways that are more explosive than what I think Doreen-Finney-Smith is capable of as a scorer. but really as a player. He's not that type of player. You argue that he's more of a floor razor, but in some respects, I think he is also a ceiling razor defensively for this team. Like we don't necessarily-

Starting point is 00:05:41 DFS, you mean, not obviously not DLO. Yeah, DFS is more of a ceiling razor defensively for this team. I think he's more of a floor razor overall, just in the sense that I think his lows will be less frequent and higher than DeAngel Russell's lows. And defensively, he can raise the ceiling of this team. We're getting some interesting numbers with his three-point percentage coming up. The only thing I would maybe dispute a little bit with what you were saying in terms of the 3-D wing piece of this.

Starting point is 00:06:15 I think at this stage of his career, he's more of a 3-D player than specifically a 3-D wing, because he's often defending fours and- He defends. That's what I'm saying. But he's still a wing. I mean, he's still a wing player and, you know, as is commonly defined. And so he fits that category.

Starting point is 00:06:38 He's not a three and D wing in the sense of he's guarding twos and threes. He's more than three and D. That's what we need that he's guarding threes and fours. Right. And by the way, that's, I don't say that as a knock on DFS, it's more just clarification so people can understand more of what they're getting.

Starting point is 00:06:54 Right. He's six, seven. And, you know, six, seven, a little over 200 pounds. Like, he's one of these, you know, he is capable. He's rangey, Andy. And I just, you know, the balancing, it'll be interesting to see where they, you know, where he goes in the rotation. I don't think they'll take Rui Hachamore out of the starting lineup for him.

Starting point is 00:07:17 I hope they don't. I don't think they'll take Max Christie out of the lineup. Well, I don't think we'd be a really awkward. I don't even think it would be a really awkward for. fit. I don't know how you would do it. Yeah, I think it's either Rui or he comes off the bench. I would think. Look, maybe there are, maybe there are schemes and ideas that JJ Redick has that you and I clearly aren't privy to because we haven't seen DFS with the Lakers. But on paper, if he's going to start DFS to me profiles much more as the guy who would take Rui's place than Max,

Starting point is 00:07:54 I don't mean to make any sense from the big match. There's no question. And, you know, but all I'm saying is we know Reeves and LeBron and AD are going to start. Right. And so those are your two choices. So, but I just, I think when you start to look at the combinations that come off the bench and the versatility that it provides, the Lakers clearly believe. And I don't think it's, I don't think it's an unreasonable thing. The Lakers clearly believe that the upgrade in defensive versatility will serve them better than the loss in playmaking.

Starting point is 00:08:32 It's a team that is short on playmaking even when Russell was there, and they are even shorter on it now. You know, I think the Milton acquisition is a smart one. I agree with you. I don't know if he's going to play necessarily unless somebody gets hurt. but if somebody did, you have a buffer between, you know, Gabe Vincent and Jalen Hood-Chafino or Brony, you know, as like the next guys that would be sort of your playmakers if somebody gets hurt. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting.

Starting point is 00:09:08 Or Vincent gets hurt or something like that. You have another credible replacement level or better guard that you can turn to to keep things on the rails for as long as you need it to happen. as opposed to having to turn to either Hood Schafino or Brony or Quincy Olivari or someone. And, you know, so I think the Milton acquisition was pretty smart little piece of this. Yeah, I definitely agree with you that it's a smart piece of it. And it's truly no harm, no foul. I don't quite see beyond agreeing with you, as I said before, I don't know for sure whether or not he's going to be in the rotation.

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Starting point is 00:11:28 on the road. I don't really see Milton as much of a creator for others as he is a creator for himself and more of just, he is more of a scorer first. So, sure. I mean, if Gabe Vincent were to struggle, I suppose Milton would be the next guy you'd look at just because it's not going to be JFS most likely and it's not going to be Brony most likely. But in terms of where I see the more natural fit or need for Milton to get minutes, it would actually be as the guy to take Dalton's connection. Right. But that's assuming that nobody gets hurt. Like I don't think he's going to be in the rotation. Oh, I don't either. Everybody's healthy. He might pop up here and there. He's going to play spot minutes or something like that. I guess the one I'm saying is I, but that's but this is like as

Starting point is 00:12:18 if everybody is healthy, I agree with you. That's probably. more likely what he would be is, you know, a little bit of an injection of bench scoring. But what I think the value, the real value of his presence is as, you know, he's not a point guard. But, I mean, he had 10 assists in his, you know, one of his last games in Brooklyn. I mean, like, he is not, you know, he's not a guy, you know, Chris Paul, but he is somebody who I would trust to distribute more. I think the Lakers would be more confident in having him on the floor. then those guys, if you need to put him into service because Reeves is hurt, because Vincent is hurt, because whatever.

Starting point is 00:12:59 That, I think, is the real value area is you are still keeping a little bit of playmaking around so that you don't have to turn instantly to two guys either in Brony or Hedchino, who are not ready for that role in a sort of primetime thing. And Milton is not great, but he is, you know, like I said, sort of replacement level, maybe a little bit better than that, those two guys are worse than replacement level. For sure. I mean, I'm not disagree with you. But that's, I mean, if everybody is healthy.

Starting point is 00:13:31 But I think his role changes and is if people aren't. Sure. But, you know, so, you know, he's not the, he is a smart acquisition because if you trade away guards, it helps to get one back because the Lakers. now are thinner there and are actually going to be, because one of the other bits of news going into the weekend was updates on, you know, Jackson Hayes,

Starting point is 00:14:03 who was actually available on Saturday, just didn't play. And, you know, Christian Wood and Jared Banderbilt and the Lakers talking like those guys could be back this month at some point. Reddick refused, you know,

Starting point is 00:14:18 didn't put a time or date on any. of it, but it's certainly possible that those guys could be back. And so now the Lakers become pretty stacked in the front court. They got more guys than they can possibly play. But hopefully at the very least now you have backups for Anthony Davis that are a little more versatile and you can choose between Hayes and Wood, which is kind of what they want to do. And you can deploy Vanderbilt maybe with Finney Smith and like, you know, have some real lockdown defensive lineups and, you know, you keep Max Chrys.

Starting point is 00:14:48 Just you have a lot of options. What I think is the next part of this that is worth talking about is like what you're giving up. We talked about like sort of what you're giving up versus what you're getting. And the wing defense, you don't necessarily lose a lot of three point shooting because Finney Smith has done the well, maybe a little volume, but certainly a three point threat that is credible and has to be taken seriously. The Lakers will have to figure out how to compensate for a little bit of the playmaking. I get the impression, Andy, the last couple games of Austin Reeves has made them feel a little bit better in that regard. And the play of Gabe Vincent has made them feel like they are willing to make this tradeoff.

Starting point is 00:15:32 Again, because they really weren't getting the maximum leverage out of DeLo anyway. So some of it's more like paper attributes than it is stuff you really were seeing on the floor. assuming DFS maintains the three-point volume that he had in Brooklyn, something along those lines. For what it's worth, looking up some of his numbers, his best three-point percentages have been the ones where he's taken the most threes per game. So clearly he's a guy that thrives the more shots that he gets to put up. And the Lakers need to take more threes, period. You know, the edict that JJ Reddick has hoped for with them taking more threes than the last year has not really caught fire thus far.

Starting point is 00:16:19 So maybe DFS being on this team can help a little bit along those lines off. It's not going to hurt at the very least. I mean, he only, he is, basically only takes three pointers. I mean, he is, yes, he is, you know, the, his shot volume is, you know, in most seasons in the last, you know, four or five has been, you know, anywhere from, you know, 60 to 75 percent. three-pointers. And taking that a little bit further, breaking it down, the overwhelming majority of his threes are catch-and-shoot threes per NBA.com. Of the 5.4 attempts he takes per game, 5.2 were catch-and-shoot. Like, there's not much in the way of self-created,

Starting point is 00:16:58 coming off-screen, stepbacks, or whatever. But it also means he is a legit catch-and-shoot three. Yeah. And it is a big contrast to what they have. with DeLo. He's not going to put the ball on the floor and create for other people. Right. But he is really good at those catch and shoot threes that the Lakers look to create pretty regularly.

Starting point is 00:17:25 They don't always knock them down with the frequency that they like or even create them with the frequency that they like. But it is something that they do like to generate. He's also been very good at above the break threes. He's been good this season with all three spots, but he has been particularly good above the break, which I think also was really good

Starting point is 00:17:44 because some of the other guys who've been better, I think, in the corners, you know, Dalton Connect, Gabe Vincent, Max Christie, it means that you can put DFS out there as another three-point threat without,

Starting point is 00:17:57 you know, taken the corner that somebody else would thrive in better. Like it actually just, I think it gives you more of an ability to really spread around the entire arc and really space that floor. but it's something that he has done very well reading a report from Yovam Buha from the athletic, breaking down some more of these numbers, 43.3%, as I said, on catch and shoot threes, but 48.1% on open threes, 42 and a half on wide open three. So he's just been very, very prolific this year, very effective at it.

Starting point is 00:18:34 He's actually been shooting over, like you mentioned, the majority of his shots are from behind the arc, but his field goal percentage is among the highest of his career this season. Which makes sense because his three point percentage is the highest it's ever been. By his standards, he's been prolific as a scorer. But it's a good addition for this team. It makes them bigger, too, than they've been for a while, just being able to put somebody else on this floor that is 6-6 or taller, that is a legit NBA player, much less, you know,

Starting point is 00:19:09 way above average role player. Right. Just the Lakers have needed more size. Yeah. Defensively, it makes them less susceptible defensively when they do switch to having really bad matchups on the other end of it.

Starting point is 00:19:24 You know, you switch and, you know, even if you don't want to put, you know, Phine Smith on, you know, point guards, shooting guards, things like that, you know, when you come off of a switch and you're not going to be left with as many really kind of grotesque mismatch

Starting point is 00:19:38 mismatches. And so in that sense, it's going to make the, you know, it's going to make the Lakers better in that regard. And I, it's, you know, it'll take a few games to figure this out. It's, I'm really, I am very interested offensively how they do this. And a lot of this really is, to me, like just a tremendous vote of confidence in Gabe Benson, who was injured on. Saturday, but clearly can't be that bad because they just, you know, I think if they,

Starting point is 00:20:16 if they really thought Vincent was going to be out for a long time, this would be a different, the timing of this might have been different. It is a belief that the guy the Lakers have been seeing over the last couple of games, you know, a couple of weeks, I should say, is the guy that is going to be here for the rest of the season, a credible offensive player who's hitting his three-point shots and a very solid defender on that side of the ball. So, you know, again, you're giving up playmaking, but you're thinking most of your minutes are going to be absorbed by LeBron and Austin Reeves. Those guys can both perform in that role at a higher level and focus more on offense because

Starting point is 00:21:01 you've strengthened your defense with Max Christie in the starting lineup. and now the availability of Dory Finney Smith and more minutes for Gabe Vincent and hopefully the return relatively soon of somebody like Jared Vanderbilt so that LeBron and Austin Reeves can carry this additional burden still play their role defensively but not have as much to do. And so that I think is the formula we're working with here. I think it is in some ways a vote of confidence in Gabe Vincent, but I think it's an even bigger vote of confidence in Austin. And Austin Reeves. Okay. And Austin. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:37 I think it's actually. As a playmaker, Austin, and as a defender and legitimacy, secondary score, third and dairy, fourth and there. Right. Christy as well. Right. And we can get it. We can get into the, the Reeves of it.

Starting point is 00:21:48 And also what comes next? Is this a precursor for another move for the workers? That's next. Like, I agree with you, obviously, that they're showing a vote of confidence in Gabe Vincent because, like, he is now. for the time being the only even sort of playmaker coming off the bench and he could he could at least for spot minutes be the guy running the show you know with that second unit depending on how many starters are out there and which ones at the same time though I think they see Gabe

Starting point is 00:22:34 Vincent as more of a guy that can keep things organized as opposed to like a true floor general playmaker. And he's not putting the ball on the floor to distribute for other people and all that kind of stuff. He, I mean, he is, he's really there, I think, to keep the trains running, but it would be very unwise of them to think that Gabe Vincent can rise to the level as a playmaker that DeAngelo Russell has been. Because he's nowhere close to that good. I think it's really a vote of confidence in Austin Reeves because when you trade DeAngelo Russell, it's not just that you are saying we will turn the reins over more to Austin Reeves as a playmaker. You're losing the safety net. Like you are losing the break glass option in terms of

Starting point is 00:23:27 your other guards. If for whatever reason, it's a matchup that isn't working for Austin, if Austin injured or if you just need more playmaking out there from the back court, you remove the safety net. Like at this point, you are really saying Austin Reeves, we believe that you are capable of if not being like an all-star level floor general, a well above average floor general who can handle firmly the secondary and at times lead ball handling and distributing roles for a contending team. They believe that the further away they get Reeves from having to be, you know,

Starting point is 00:24:12 for a little while he was, you know, we're asking him to do playmaking stuff and guard the best defender on the best offensive player and the, you know, down, you know, two, twos and ones on the other team. And that was just untenable. And I think that they feel like the further away they can get him from that. the better off that he'll be. And I, you know, they weren't a good playmaking team before. They're still not going to be a good playmaking team now.

Starting point is 00:24:37 But the defense was trending in the right way before. There should be a better defensive team now. And, you know, the shooting at the very least shouldn't necessarily suffer. It'll be different, but it won't necessarily suffer in part because DeAngela Russell was being used in some ways as a catch-and-shoe guy and stuff like that. I think the next question of what's next. Lakers' friends are certainly hoping for another move. They traded their biggest contract.

Starting point is 00:25:08 DeAngela Russell is the biggest contract they hadn't trade. I mean, financially, the biggest one that they had. The next biggest one, you could argue he was their most spare piece. I'm not sure that's a fair characterization of him. but compared to their next biggest contract, Rui Hachamora, their starting forward, D-Lo was more expensive.

Starting point is 00:25:34 To try to create another trade, whether that's for Cam Johnson, whether that's whatever, you have your number ones, you have, so that's a big deal. The Lakers were still able to hold on to those. You have guys like Vincent,

Starting point is 00:25:48 and you have Rui. But the minute you start trading Rui, now you're getting very much into what are we getting back? Are we able to fill that hole that we just created? You know, I saw an interesting statistic that there are with a certain amount of volume, 10 players in the NBA. I think Dan Waiky tweeted this out from the Times. There are two players that are six, seven, and over that have hit over 40% of their threes,

Starting point is 00:26:16 whatever the number is. Lakers now have two of those guys. Rue is the other one. DFS is one. Rue is the other. You start trading him. Like, I think, I wonder if this is a little bit of a hedge. It's a good trade.

Starting point is 00:26:32 I'm not, you know, Rob Polinker deserves praise for it. I also wonder if he's recognizing, like, you know, we've got these first rounders, but I'm not sure there is a deal that works out there. There may not be a deal, whether, even if we don't get out bid, where we can make the pieces work to where the net is way better for this year's team, regardless of the picks. And so one of the reasons I think this is smart is an argument against making the deal is you might need these three second rounders to pull off an even bigger trade for a bigger star or a higher profile name or whatever.

Starting point is 00:27:17 And I think the problem with that idea is you might be left holding all of your stuff. because your three second rounders weren't going to make a difference. And so I like that the Lakers pulled the trigger here, can play a month, see what it looks like, and then try to parlay what they have into something bigger if they can. First of all, they've clearly wanted Dorian Finney Smith for a while because the Lakers have been linked to him for at least last season up until now,

Starting point is 00:27:47 if not even longer. J.J. Reddick had, for a week. He's like their Cam Reddish. But JJ Reddick has liked DFS for a while. They were briefly teammates in Dallas. This has made the rounds on socials, but one of the old man in three episodes, Redick said about Dorian Finney Smith, quote,

Starting point is 00:28:07 he does so many things that don't show up in a box score. He's just an awesome player. He's a player that can fit on any team in the NBA. I think he's incredibly valuable. Great defender. Hustles makes all the right plays. So it is safe to assume they got a big thumbs up from Reddick in terms of this deal for DFS.

Starting point is 00:28:25 With moving DeAngelo Russell in this deal, it's like on one hand, they maintain the two firsts that would be the most valuable for a trade, but they also lost the contract that would be the best conduit or lubricant for a trade with those two firsts. So it's a little bit of, I don't want to say. robbing Peter to pay Paul because I don't know if there were two options really out there to begin with. It's more robbing Peter to pay Paul in terms of overall, I don't know, flexibility to do something. I think what you're getting at, Andy, the problem here is you can't pay Peter and Paul. Right. The Lakers don't have enough to pay both of those guys. Right. Only Peter can get paid or only Paul can get

Starting point is 00:29:16 paid, possibly. Possibly. And the Lakers have to make a choice. And if you if you sit around and you wait for a deal where you aren't necessarily robbing Peter to pay Paul. You may not paying nobody. Exactly. Neither die is going to get paid. Potentially. Look, and we were very critical of this notion of the Lakers only going, quote, unquote, all in if they had a deal that made them, you know, set them up for the future

Starting point is 00:29:44 while also making them better in the present and all that. And I don't think what they did today, Sunday, I should say, is qualifies. is going all in. The picks are really all in. It's still an aggressive move. Like those second rounders have value and Delo's contract has value and you can't trade any of those things twice. But, you know, and so I, but I, we mocked it for like, well, obviously, yeah, you

Starting point is 00:30:13 if you can get a trade that's going to make you better later and now and fits everything you wanted to. Sure, go do that. What do you do if that's not a choice? Right. And I think what we learned today is that the Lakers are willing, at least with some of their stuff, to make a trade and use capital on stuff that isn't necessarily. Doreenie Smith is not going, is necessarily somebody that's aligned to making the Lakers better as a sidekick for AD in three years. He's 31.

Starting point is 00:30:44 He's older than a lot of people think. He's been around for a while. And Jake Milton isn't, you know, he's not old, but he's not. not like a 22-year-old either. You know, they put themselves, you know, they went out and they made a very sensible deal that doesn't hurt them necessarily in the long term, but it's, it is not, well, okay, it's not a perfect deal, you know, so we'll do. And I think that should be encouraging to Lakers fans.

Starting point is 00:31:12 That said, I don't know. I am hesitant to use this deal as a. sign of what might be coming because I think the market for who's left, at least currently, is going to be real difficult to predict. And what the Lakers have is still quite limited. So we'll see. I think they're clearly willing to do something. I don't know if they're going to get the opportunity to do other things, which is why I think

Starting point is 00:31:41 it was smart that they did the move on Sunday. The thing that I ranted about last week during a show was the idea that the Lakers need to pick a lane. They need to either invest in a tangible way in LeBron James at 40, Anthony Davis in the backside of his back end of his prime, you know, or they need to decide for whatever reason they don't think it's worth doing that. And in some ways, the reasons don't even matter. Like for the sake of these conversations, I don't even care what the reason is. I may agree with it. I may not agree with it. But if they're not going to do that, they need to pick a different direction, which is a hard conversation with LeBron, maybe a

Starting point is 00:32:28 hard conversation with Anthony Davis, where you are starting to move towards something definitive. What would make no sense whatsoever would be to truly and openly just kick the can down the road, where it becomes very obvious that your main goal is to put asses and seats and to look finger quotes relevant. Like where you are a cosmetically important team, even though you're not really on the road to doing anything that actually matters. And before you know it, not only have you not truly attempted to maximize LeBron's time with the Lakers, you're going to see Anthony Davis's prime largely wasted as well. And I don't even mean wasted like how many titles did you win. And look, Russell Westbrook was the mother of all in moves.

Starting point is 00:33:23 Terrible idea, but you cannot accuse that of being not an aggressive swing. But at some point, you need to pick yourself up off the floor and do something again. And this trade marks them making an investment in the, Lakers will they make more in in in in labron and ad will they make more remains to be seen it's it's it's essentially what i what i like most and we can quit here you know to obviously get people ready for the big new year's eve game tomorrow against the uh against the the the the calves and you know keep talking trade keep getting ready for that game and all that so plenty more conversation about this is i feel like this trade while they are in fact giving up something

Starting point is 00:34:09 thing. There are a lot of Lakers fans can be like, oh, they didn't give up anything to do it. They did. They gave up a skill set and a player who is not popular, but is talented. But I feel like this is the type of deal because of how it moves people around the rest of the roster and moves people around the rotation that has the

Starting point is 00:34:31 potential at least to have a little bit more of an impact than just the player that you're getting back. And so we'll see the downstream impacts here could be pretty good. Locked on Lakers on YouTube. So good job, Rob Blink. We don't always say that on our show. So when it happens, we want to make sure that we're giving credit. Locked on Lakers on YouTube is we can go hang out

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Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Lakers Acquire Dorian Finney-Smith, Shake Milton. Good Deal? More Trades to Come?

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