Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - LeBron out 3-4 Weeks, Injury concerns for Luka. Are the Lakers Falling Behind?

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Starting point is 00:00:34 no matter how, where you get your podcast. This one's always going to be free for you, never behind paywall. Locked on Lakers on YouTube is where over 36,000 subscribers, Andy, are all real upset because the news out of El Sigundo on Thursday was not good. LeBron James will not play the rest of the preseason and now will not be ready for the regular season, Sham Sharania, at ESPN, reporting that LeBrono will be re-evaluated in three to four weeks. just reevaluated, dealing with a case of sciatica.

Starting point is 00:01:09 So we'll break all that down in a minute or two. I want to let people know first, though, that today's episode is brought to by Fanduel. Right now, new customers can bet just $5. And if your bet wins, you get $300 and bonus bets to use across the app. Head to fandul.com to get started. So, you know, already, Andy, it had been becoming more clear. that this injury that was keeping LeBron from playing

Starting point is 00:01:38 was less about rest and more about an inability to be on the floor, that there was a real injury behind this glute issue that he was dealing with, a nerve issue in his glute, which turning out to be sciatica is not terribly surprising. But a rougher timeline was put on it on Thursday. They are related issues, like you said, the definition from the Cleveland Clinic.

Starting point is 00:02:05 Sciatica is nerve pain from an injury or irritation. In your sciatic nerve, in addition to pain, it can involve tingling or numbness in your back or butt that can radiate down your leg. More severe symptoms are also possible. So it feels like they've come up with a more specific or just giving us more specific information than they had before from Jeff Stott's,

Starting point is 00:02:30 very well-known and respected sports injury guy. He's been on our show before. On Twitter, you can follow him in street close on Twitter, quote, massive LeBron injury update. Sciata occurs when the longest nerve in the body becomes impinged, often due to a disc in the lower back or muscle in the glute region. Addressing the root of the problem is key to recovery. In other cases of sciatica in the NBA, often accompanied by considerable time lost. One of the most, well-known cases of sciatica in the NBA is LeBron's mind-the-game host Steve Nash. Nash's sciatica was linked to multiple bulging discs in his back and spondylophysicist.

Starting point is 00:03:18 Sure. Sure. Close enough. Yeah, I mean, look, the Lakers fans hear nerve issue and, you know, and they remember Steve Nash and how his career was derailed. We are not going there yet in terms of what is happening with LeBron. But I think, you know, first things first, he is going to miss not just the opener, but very likely, you know, at least the first, you know, eight or nine games of the season.

Starting point is 00:03:52 It's nine game. If you're going, let's say, four weeks, if you just wanted to make that the point of delineation to begin, four weeks is the first nine games of the season. season concluding with the game against San Antonio on November 5th. The next game after that is the 8th of November against the Hawks. So I guess in theory, LeBron could go four weeks, get evaluated, have a couple days in between that evaluation and days off to maybe practice or just work this up, see how the body reacts, maybe plays that game on the 8th against the Hawks.

Starting point is 00:04:30 but you start stretching pretty believably into 12, maybe 15 games, just between LeBron's age, the caution that's going to be there, the lack of practice time that you want LeBron to get, to see how these things react before putting them out there. You got to see, you practice, and then you wake up the next day, what does it look like? You wake up the day after that. What does it look like?

Starting point is 00:04:58 you really need to make sure you have a handle on this before you get back. That's why that gap between the ninth and the 10th game jumped out at me immediately because it's a rare couple days off between games. I look at this and I mean, I think what you are talking about there is probably the best case scenario. If indeed they are. There's no probably. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:20 Definitely. If the reevaluation comes at three weeks in this three to four week time period. and LeBron is feeling really good and you can get back on the floor and practice for a week or whatever. Then you are in that neighborhood of, you know, three to four weeks, nine games or something like that. I think realistically, though, the Lakers should be planning for 20. an estimation that LeBron misses the first quarter of the season. Because this type of injury is very challenging to manage. And we saw, you know, Jeff in his in his thread about this noted, like, you need to really understand where the, you know, the impingement is, you know, that's, you know, hurting this nerve.

Starting point is 00:06:22 where it is and then address it at the source was what he was talking about. There's some work that goes into figuring out what's happening here and treating it correctly to try to prevent recurrence. And that could take, given his age, like you say, an extra week, two weeks, maybe even three. So I would be really pleased if by game 21 LeBron was in this, it was back in the lineup. I mean, I mean, thrilled if it was better. But like, I think I'm going to set my expectations at a court based on what we're, based on what we're being told now that it's a quarter of the season. It's definitely going to be a notable absence.

Starting point is 00:07:08 Like there's no way around that. I would be very surprised if it's fewer than 10 games at the very least. This is obviously a lot for the Lakers to overcome. I guess if you, I was going to say you could look at it, I'm not going to say glass half full, but glass a third full. You could theoretically look at this and say, well, they haven't had LeBron yet at all during training camp, which obviously is an issue in and of itself, but at least they would theoretically not be adjusting to his absence because they haven't had him.

Starting point is 00:07:42 Except for the fact that we're going to get into this over the course of the show, Luca has been decreasingly available, including today's practice Thursdays. I was in El Segundo for the post media session, which JJ Redick was in a very poor mood, very uncharacteristically, unchatted, few words as possible. He had described LeBron as, quote, on his own timeline. That was before we knew the context of. with a clear pause. It was a really interesting exchange

Starting point is 00:08:18 because there was like a pause and you could tell he was sort of searching for the right way to say it. And the way it came out of his mouth sounded like real frustration that players weren't on the floor. Well, I'll tell you what it sounded like. It sounded like, and we can address this in the show too,

Starting point is 00:08:35 what we are seeing from a lot of fans, whether in the comment section on YouTube for our show or hitting us up on Twitter at Cam Brothers. They, and I want to make it clear, this is not how JJ was doing it, but they might have described this as LeBron being on his own timeline because he was making up the timeline as he goes

Starting point is 00:08:58 because he doesn't want to be out there for training camp because he's pissed off that he doesn't have an extension. Right, I've seen that. I've seen just, you know, even lesser versions of that, you know, come down to the idea that, you know, LeBron just is maybe like healthier than, you know, healthy enough to play, but being overly called, whatever it might be. The, the way that JJ said he's on his own timeline, I don't necessarily think one

Starting point is 00:09:30 automatically has to do with the other. I mean, the sense that I think what probably affected his mood was he probably got the news before, you know, a little before us and just had the Lakers said, hold it. but I think had he, I don't know if it's a direct A to B thing. JJ says what he says and the Lakers release a statement, but I'm glad it happened that way because if he hadn't, if the Lakers hadn't said anything about LeBron today, the Lakers universe would have been talking about like,

Starting point is 00:10:03 is J.J. Reddick mad at his stars for not being on the floor? Because that's what it sounded like. but obviously this injury, which I've been talking about all week as I've been growing increasingly concerned that all the people who want to maximize training camp, this is that, like, it's not a want. It's like they want LeBron on the floor. They can't do it. When you start to combine it now with the Luca issue, it's a reasonable thing to be nervous of your Lakers fan. We'll break it down next. Locked on Lakers is brought to you by prize picks.

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Starting point is 00:12:14 But, you know, so that's why you want to subscribe because if you're not subscribing, you may miss those reaction shows. Okay. So LeBron, we know, is going to miss some time. Like over the, you know, we will look into starting lineups because, I mean, I think this fairly well cements Rue Hachamura as starting. But now they're on another spot. They've got to figure out.

Starting point is 00:12:36 And so who's going to be the fifth starter now that LeBron is. Mark is smart. Back at practice, though. So that helps. He said he felt great. He said he felt really good. It obviously puts more pressure on Austin Reeves. It's going to put more pressure on Rui to be a big part of the offense.

Starting point is 00:12:56 The trickle down here is something we'll have a chance to talk about. But Andy, the trickle down is going to trickle even more if something's wrong with Luca. And the Lakers haven't said anything. But Luca has not practiced this week. for all intents and purposes. He's done light workouts, he's done all that kind of stuff. And in the wake of the somewhat confusing

Starting point is 00:13:23 and or controversial statements from DeAndre Aiton earlier this week at practice when he was saying, what's it like to work with LeBron and Luca? And he said, I haven't done it yet. And people were like, wait a minute, what does that mean? You confirmed when you were in practice with JJ.

Starting point is 00:13:42 Luca did in fact practice in full scrimaging, doing everything last week. That means he was a full participant last week, missed both preseason games because of Eurobasket was how they framed it, just being cautious, getting him off his feet. But this week hasn't been participating either. If he doesn't practice on Saturday, they're going to, Lakers are taking off Friday, or scheduled to at least. If he doesn't play Tuesday or Sunday or Tuesday, like something's going on here. Yeah. And it's funny, actually.

Starting point is 00:14:20 I asked JJ just directly. So Luca, just for clarification's sake, Luca did practice in full, all that stuff. And he said, yes, I had planned to actually ask, like following up, you know, can you just provide some clarity about what's going on with Luca? But the session with JJ, like I said earlier, went surprisingly short. Like JJ is typically both very verbose but also A comedy generous. He's pretty generous with us. So I kind of been pacing myself to give other people opportunities for questions.

Starting point is 00:14:53 And also too, it's like health for people who don't go to practice all that. Like generally speaking, like who practiced who didn't health updates, whatever is like the leadoff question. So you learn who was in, who was out, whatever. All the back got kind of hijacked today. And then he's, you know, so you said, oh, this guy. didn't practice. Hey, you mentioned blank sat out. Can you know, what's going on there? What's like nobody had a chance to ask that about Luca because it ended so fast.

Starting point is 00:15:22 Yeah. It was again, it's a very unusual with JJ. Like typically he gives us a fair amount of time. I think now that we learn more context, he was probably looking to get out of there as quick as he could before he eventually accidentally gave away too much information before the organization did or whatever. but it's become, without knowing the exacts, it is becoming at least clear to me, unless they are just holding out Luca out of extreme load management, excess of caution,

Starting point is 00:15:59 whatever, which would underscore my, I feel like you're not getting the most out of training camp concerns. Luca has been de-escalating what he's been doing in practice as we get closer to the actual games, that doesn't feel good. It doesn't. And, you know, I mean, I think a couple things. First, the logic would be you ramp up. You know, you build up like he would start slow and build up more in that second week

Starting point is 00:16:30 to prepare for that second run of games or something. Like, it did not surprise me, especially given the Lakers have six preseason games and not the standard four that Luka might not. play in those first two games. Just because you've got four more, you know, you do want to kind of be mindful of how much he's already played at a very high level of intensity in Eurobasket. So you've got to be careful of that. So maybe there's a reason you would do it the other way where you start hard, take a break

Starting point is 00:17:03 and then finish that. None of this felt weird until Lucas started practicing less this week. Right. Everything else felt normal up to that way. Right. Totally fine. And then, you know, I could, you know, JJ, I will say this. There has been some speculation that the Lakers aren't taking this seriously or that JJ is deemphasizing the preseason or whatever it might be. It was pretty clear listening to him talk today, or Thursday, I should say, that he was frustrated by all of this. Because, you know, Mark Smart, who was sick back on the floor, Gabe Vincent playing again, you know, Max Claibai, I think they're still waiting on,

Starting point is 00:17:41 Thierro, they're still waiting. But like, the bulk of this stuff was intact, except they can't get their stars on the floor. And, you know, the downside of the Luca experience, and there isn't that much of it, is when he's not there, like, it's almost impossible to practice stuff. Well, especially if LeBron. Especially if right. Like, LeBron is a pretty good facsimile for Luca if you need one. But if you don't have either one, of them, respectfully to Austin Reeves, he's not there. It's not the same thing. Even, you know, he's a good pastor, he's a good player, whatever.

Starting point is 00:18:21 There's levels to this. It is an entirely different deal. Luca runs everything around your offense. He is the center of this stuff. And it's just you can do things, but everything you're doing, you know, is going to be vastly different with Luca on the floor. And so it was pretty clear that Redick was frustrated, not because, you know, I'm not saying that Luca should be practicing. That is not at all what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:18:51 I do not know what is going on. And that I think is what makes everybody really nervous. But there is no de-emphasis of the importance of this stuff or championship conditioning or the sort of broad charge the Lakers are unsurious about the preseason. I think clearly LeBron couldn't play, obviously, and I'm increasingly concerned that Luca can't either. Hopefully, whatever it is, is a matter of them being incredibly cautious and all that kind of stuff. But until we learn more, I think everybody's imagination is going to go a little bit. JJ, in talking about this, what it potentially does to the team during training camp,

Starting point is 00:19:42 and I think he is now conceding they are not getting out of this what they wanted, quote, you got to play the cards, you're dealt. I know that's a cliche, but that's just reality. And it's true. I mean, you do have to play these cards. You do have to make the most of it, try to make the best of it. but there's no question, especially considering how other teams around the league and in particular the West, they've had their stars out there, including guys who played in Eurobasket,

Starting point is 00:20:14 like the Lakers and combined with the fact that they have not looked great in either one of these preseason games, which otherwise wouldn't be that big of a deal. But when you put it all together, it feels like they are behind the eight ball. And after the break, we'll talk about sort of what. comes next. But, you know, we had, we'd spent most of the offseason, I think, pretty consistently. I know I have consistently thought of the Lakers as a team that was in that tier. You have Oklahoma City clearly at the top. They won, what, 67 games last year with all three of their most important players missing at least some time, if not a lot of time. They think Jalen

Starting point is 00:21:02 Williams missed a few games? I don't remember Jalen Williams or Shea missing a lot of times. Chet missed a ton of time. I can look it up. I mean, Shea couldn't have missed that much time. He won MVP. That's true.

Starting point is 00:21:14 That's a good point. And Jalen Williams made all in the eight. And Jalen was in all, he was on a main team. So maybe it was just the one. Chet missed a lot of time. I'm, I'm getting,

Starting point is 00:21:24 they had guys further down the rotation who missed a lot, but there's stars played. So that's my fault. But anyway. regardless. They won 67 games last year, I think it was. They could easily win more than that this year just with natural growth and a little better luck. I put Denver right behind them. Houston was in that group, you know, in that little tier with Denver. I think losing Van Bleet knocked them down into the group that I had the Lakers in. So the question becomes, what does this do to the Lakers? Does 20 potential games without LeBron drop the Lakers two or three games further back in the Western Conference,

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Starting point is 00:24:37 But it also makes a difference how you get to that point and who's, you know, who's which seed and who's having to play on the road the entire time or who gets stuck in the play in or whatever it might be. And, you know, 20 games without LeBron. And again, I'm estimating here. It's going to be probably almost certainly 10. I think probably more or that you should at least prepare for more. That, I'm not going to say it sinks them, but I know people, there are people who want LeBron out of town, but you're talking about an all-NBA performer last year who finished sixth in MVP voting.

Starting point is 00:25:18 That is not easy to just recreate with what you have available on your roster, no matter who is on your team. I mean, it just becomes incredibly important that. Luca, whatever is happening with him right now, once the regular season begins, Luca's fine. And if Luca is fine and healthy and everybody else stays healthy, and I think they play to the top of their potential, I think they have the potential ability to stay reasonably afloat, stay 500-ish, which all things considered, if you went 10 to 20 games without

Starting point is 00:25:58 LeBron, 500-ish, you could do a hell of a lot worse in terms of that interim period. And then as long as LeBron eventually comes back, stays on the court and everybody else stays reasonably healthy, the way that would be part of the equation. Regardless, I think you can make up some of that time. The schedule, thankfully, is not brutal to open the season. Like, they open the first nine games, the nine games that it seems like LeBron is definitely going to miss. Golden State, Minnesota, Sacramento, Portland, Minnesota.

Starting point is 00:26:30 Again, Memphis, Miami, Portland again, San Antonio. A couple pretty tough games in there, particular, two against Minnesota that early, not easy. But there's some winnable games in there. And when you thought all hands were going to be on deck, the idea was the Lakers can maybe jump out really strong with that opening slate and build up a cushion in the West. But if nothing else, the schedule now in this new context maybe offers them a decent opportunity to just survive. Yeah, I mean, I think you look at it. And keep in mind, all of this is relative because there are no easy stretches in the Western Conference. When you're playing games that are primarily in your own conference, there's almost no such thing as an easy stretch.

Starting point is 00:27:22 So, you know, Golden State, assuming they start the season healthy, is a good team. Minnesota, I think we all know about them. You know, Sacramento feels like a lower level play-in-ish team in the West. Portland is trying to move their way up into a play-in situation. Memphis, who knows? They're just there's, they're already banged up. John may be their starting center at this point. They're missing all their front court guys.

Starting point is 00:27:50 They're already banged up. You know, so Miami is not a great team. You see Charlotte in that first 20. You see the pelicans who are tough to peg at this point, a couple games against Utah. Like, you're right. At the very least, there are, you know, games against teams that even without LeBron,

Starting point is 00:28:09 you should be favored to beat, not even just like you can hang in there. Because, like you say, you still should have Luca Donchich and a team. with more depth than last year. And you're going to need now, I mean, the other thing, too,

Starting point is 00:28:27 is like we talked about, obviously puts more pressure on Reeves, Rui, DeAndre Aiton becomes a much more significant part, not just of the sort of team's defense, but now I'd said before, like you don't need the version of DeAndre Aten who can, you know,

Starting point is 00:28:43 score 20 points a game. Now, you know, if it helps, DeAndre Aten loves the version of DeAndre Aten. Oh, he should. does. He sure does. And, you know, he's a career 16 point a night guy. And but I was, you know, on a team with LeBron, Luca, Austin, Rui's going to get his, you know, like that, like, I was thinking, I was sort of pegging Aiton as like a 12ish night with every third or fourth, he's like up to 16.

Starting point is 00:29:18 and a couple, you know, a few times, every week or two, like, you get that 20 point game because that's how the game plays out. Now, I think that, you know, you're looking at a situation where 15 to 20 a night is what they need out of him to keep the offense going. He's going to become a much more central part of what they do because that two-man game with Luca is going to be significantly more important. moving further down the rotation, everybody bumps up a slot, Jake La Ravia becomes more important. Gabe Vincent becomes more important. The defense and availability of Marcus Smart

Starting point is 00:29:56 and Jared Vanderbilt become more important. We'll find out how much better their depth is than last year pretty quick. Yeah. This is a real challenge for them. And again, they are entering this challenge when the regular season begins off poor circumstances. And at this point, like JJ say, you play the cards that you're dealt.

Starting point is 00:30:20 They were dealt to seven offsuit. They have to figure out a way to make this work. But it really now becomes incumbent, A, to whatever, if Luca can practice, and let's just say, like, this has been an excess of caution. At this point, you've got to stop being cautious. and you've got to get the guy out there. I mean, like, they need the reps together. And if it's a health issue, then you just real, like a genuine health issue,

Starting point is 00:30:50 something specific, then you really got to hope that they just get the thing under control and together because you have to be, I think, if there really is, like, you have to be overly cautious at this point. You are, you cannot. Well, I mean, as much as I can say, like, as much as everybody wants, I mean inside the building, once and understands the importance, certainly outside the building, understands the importance of that time to build chemistry to try to compete in a brutal conference where like literally every percentage point of your ceiling, like, well, it makes a

Starting point is 00:31:29 difference. Like that's, that can be being 3% better is, could be the difference between again, a 4 seed and a 5, a 5 and a 6 and all this stuff matters. But if there is something going on with him that requires maintenance, a recurrence of the calf thing, or, you know, a back, but, and again, I am not basing this on, do not aggregate. You have to do what is most conducive to getting him on the floor healthy at the start of the season. You just can't screw with it. No, like I said, if it's something specific, that's different.

Starting point is 00:32:03 If it's just overabundance of caution because you are thinking 5,000 foot view because you're just thinking 5,000 foot view. I think that's the point where you got to get yourself down to say 3,000 feet. And you have to start. You can't be so afraid of guys getting hurt that you end up cutting off opportunities to actually be as good as you would be healthy because you were too scared to actually practice. Also, I want to make this very clear. I am not in any way suggesting that one is connected to the other because I've already seen this come up in the comment section or whatever,

Starting point is 00:32:45 but I couldn't help myself and Googled a connection between sciatica and golf. Of course. Because LeBron just started playing golf. And that is the biggest difference between is this season. Yeah. You and. Now here's what came up in again. This is an AI.

Starting point is 00:33:08 overview, which are notoriously spotty with accuracy. And I am, I cannot make this clear enough. I am not actually suggesting one led to the other. However, causes of sciatica and golfers, poor swing mechanics in proper swing technique, such as twisting or rounding the back, can compress or irritate these sciatic nerve. LeBron's swing is garbage. I say this as somebody with a terrible swing. My swing is better than LeBron's.

Starting point is 00:33:43 Is it? Yes, it is. No, it is not. Yes, it is, actually. I have seen you both. It is not. I actually think. But my point is, you shouldn't play either because you're going to get sciatica.

Starting point is 00:33:55 No, I'm going to get sciatica from it. I just get embarrassed. Overuse in LeBron went pretty heavy into the golf. And finally, age, as golfers get older. LeBron just keeps getting older, even though he's not really technically a golfer. You went to where, first of all, just the notion of him being out with sciatica in his age 41 season is very, it's very lazy work from the writers. Yeah. But you went to the exact same spot that everybody else did.

Starting point is 00:34:29 Of course. Everybody went to the golf. Again, cannot emphasize this enough. I am not suggesting one led to the other. But he better not pick up a bleeping club until the end of the year. Well, no, no, no, not the end of the year. It's a career. Well, at least the end of his Lakers career.

Starting point is 00:34:46 Yeah, I guess if he wants to do this as a cav, more power to him. Not my problem. Laker career. He better not play anymore. No more. Brony, however, apparently can play. Yeah. All right.

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