Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Luka Dončić 4th, LeBron James 12th and Austin Reaves 58th in Locked On Top 100

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, everyone, welcome to Locked on Lakers for Tuesday. Brian Komenetsky, Andy Kaminetsky, the Lockedon Network has its top 100 NBA players. Where are the Lakers? We will tell you next. You are Locked on Lakers. Your daily Los Angeles Lakers podcast, part of the Locked on Podcasts Network, your team every day. Thanks to everybody for making Lockedon Lakers first listen to every day, Monday through Friday,

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Starting point is 00:01:07 On the internet. Brian, it's not just locked on Lakers fans and Luca fans. And everybody in Slovenia Zadravo that are watching Luca in Eurobasket, LeBron is also watching Luca in Eurobasket and posted to Insta, a couple photos of Luca that says Luca dominates at Eurobasket. So at least with, you know, there's constant swirling, speculation about LeBron, his happiness level with the Lakers, discontent. Does he, is he upset about being second fiddle to Luca?

Starting point is 00:01:44 At the very least, he is not taking out any dissatisfaction on Luca and he's going out of his way to congratulate him. Also, I want to know. I believe actually LeBron is inside that costume of that blue police mouse looking at. I was just about to say, what's the deal with that? I want to know the backstory on that. It's Doc Franco. If you happen to be watching right now.

Starting point is 00:02:07 What's the deal with the police, blue police mascot thing? Yeah. Well, it's like a police. It looks like a police. Yes, like a police mouse. And, you know, maybe it's a European thing. Maybe it's a fire captain. I'm just not sure what that's, it's an unusual mascot.

Starting point is 00:02:27 In the States, we're more used to police dogs. I don't know how big the mice grow in Europe. I haven't been there in a long time. Like maybe maybe they get out of control. It is. Andy, it's a much healthier walking culture over there than it is in America. Mice get muscular. Mice get, it's protein. So make sure you're subscribing to the audio program, not just on YouTube, although feel

Starting point is 00:02:49 free to subscribe there to. Subscribe to all of them. That way you've covered all of your bases. Of course, people like to get it on Apple or through Spotify, where we get your podcasts. You can find the Locked on Lakers podcast. and we'll get to our top 100 here in a moment. We'll talk a little bit about LeBron James and some comments from Brian Winhorst

Starting point is 00:03:10 about when he might retire. And Andy, if we get to it, we'll talk a little bit more about Andrew Wiggins. So some commentary from Mark Stein on his substack about that. On Monday, do you want to let people know that today's episode is brought to you by Fandul football season. It's here. It's not even closer than you think, Andy.

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Starting point is 00:03:43 There were so many good games combined with that bananas finish with the bills and the Ravens last time. If you were a Josh Allen guy in your fantasy league, you probably won. So, okay, we've got our top 100, Andy. You and I, we should note, hate exercises like this. We used to do it for ESPN, and we complained every year when we had to do it. They told us we were doing it with the Locked-on Network, and we complained again.

Starting point is 00:04:17 We did it, and we took it seriously. We did. We did. We did. Seriously, although I will say, my apologies to Cooper Flagg, who is 80th on this list, which I don't care if it's fair or unfair, but it's probably a few slots lower than it should be because I forgot to put him on

Starting point is 00:04:35 and I wasn't going back to fix it. It's fun. I forgot to include Yokic, so it all evens out. Yolkich, who because of Andy's mistake, he's the 26th best player in the NBA. I clearly remembered.

Starting point is 00:04:49 Right. I said I took this seriously. I picked up my mistake at 96, and I stuck him right there, so he's on my way. Yeah. I didn't want to leave them out altogether, but I didn't want to go through all that. I'm not moving my entire spreadsheet down. I don't know how to do that. But in all seriousness, that was part of the reason Cooper Flagg didn't get back on my list.

Starting point is 00:05:14 Because let's say I would have put him in 70. I don't know. But like I don't like if there was a way to just bump everyone down one, I would do it that way. And whoever's 100. Sorry, you're out of luck. I didn't know how to do that. and I wasn't fixing it. So anyway, apologies of the five family right now. We really did take it seriously.

Starting point is 00:05:37 Mostly. But we complained about it. My point is we hate exercises like this because I find the ranking of players to be, you can get lost in the sort of minutia of it. Is the guy the really the fourth best player or this? sixth best player. Or the round numbers of it all.

Starting point is 00:05:59 Yes. And it's especially true when you start getting into like 63 versus 68. Like it's just like I'm not, I'm not doing that. But what I do think is interesting is broadly, and you and I both agree about this, it can be instructed when you think about tears. Yes. And where you think about where people are put relative to people around them. And there are three Lakers on this list.

Starting point is 00:06:28 There is Luca Donchich, not unexpected. LeBron James, also not unexpected. And Austin Reeves. Luca came in at number four behind Yokic, Shea and Janice. LeBron came in at 12, and this was interesting, I think, in a couple ways. his sort of grouping around him is Donovan Mitchell, Jason Tatum, Kevin Durant, then LeBron, then Halliburton and Davis, and Cade. Two of those guys aren't going to play this year for all intents and purposes. So in that sense, LeBron is the 10th or 11th best player for players who will see the floor this year.

Starting point is 00:07:11 For what it is worth, you and I both had Luca at four and we both also had LeBron at 8. So Luca came in in the consensus where you and I had him. LeBron came in in the consensus lower than both of us had them. Which is, you know, for a hater like you, Andy, it must have been painful for you to put LeBron in the top 10. I took this thing seriously. And then Austin Reeves at 58. So, I mean, these rankings, actually,

Starting point is 00:07:37 if you've gone through what ESPN has done, what the athletic has done and things like that, the Lakers kind of fit in similar positions and all these things. Let's start with Luca at number four. It's where I put him. I think it's the right spot. That's where I put him as well. That said, it's four with upside.

Starting point is 00:08:01 And I think short of passing Yokic, a healthy Luca has the potential to be the guy that you kind of look at on a night-to-night basis and go, he's probably, he might be the second best player in the world right now. And in the tears, if you want to think of guys who's like sort of transformational stars, and then that like next level of guys who are like really bleeping good, but not quite, he's firmly in that top group.

Starting point is 00:08:34 And like we talked about for Monday show, what is happening in Eurobasket right now? Feels like it is setting the stage for the summer of Luca, turning into the season of Luca. You know, good health obviously will be necessary. He's got to stay on the court. But everything that we are seeing right now feels like the prelude to Luca having a spectacular season,

Starting point is 00:09:03 a revenge season, a revenge body season, a double middle fingers season, a reminder, no, really, I'm that dude season, all of which is fantastic for the Lakers, A, because they get the benefits, but B, and we may not talk about this today, but it's something I want to get into over the course of the week. The Lakers with three guys in the top 60, and in particular the three guys that are in there and their skill sets, I think is both a reminder of the Lakers upside as a team and the reasons you can get excited about them, particularly, I know I want to talk about this in the next segment,

Starting point is 00:09:46 LeBron and Luca both in the top 12 for a very specific reason. But you'll also see as we compare them some other teams, like some of the weaknesses that the Lakers have across their roster compared to some of the other teams that are looking to contend. But a guy squarely in the top five can elevate a team in ways that even deeper rosters without that guy can't always reach. Like when you've got somebody like Luca playing at the level that we've seen in the past, in Eurobasket, and what seems to lie ahead, that can fix a lot of issues in and of itself.

Starting point is 00:10:29 Yeah, there's no question. And so that difference between just a regular superstar and sort of God-tier superstar is not, it's not a distinction without a difference, then that is for sure. Let's talk more about Luca. We'll bring LeBron into this conversation as well next. Locked on Lakers is brought to you by Fandul, the NFL season. It is upon us. And Fandul is making sure you are ready for a kickoff with a can't miss offer.

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Starting point is 00:11:41 started bets, fandul.com to place your first $5 bet. Fun little thing to note, Andy, before we get back into these rankings that the network has put out, top 100 for the NBA as judged by all of us hosts. But you mentioned yesterday that LeBron was one of the inductees over the weekend into the Hall of Fame for his spot on the Redeemed team, 2008. Fun nugget about that. He and Chris Paul, who is also part of that team, became the only two active players to be in the Hall of Fame and still playing.

Starting point is 00:12:27 The only two players who have ever done that while still active. It is obviously very hard. You need some sort of specialty entry like that, but it is an important reminder. It was for the 2008 Olympics. And these guys are still rolling. And in the case of LeBron, especially, we just noted he's the 12th best player in the league.

Starting point is 00:12:48 You and I both had him in the top 10. He was just inducted into the Hall of Fame for something that happened in 2008. To put this in perspective in 2008 at that time, George W. Bush was still president. Like at the time when USA was playing Spain, George W. But like now, not to date LeBron too much, it was his second term. Like it wasn't the first term of,

Starting point is 00:13:13 But still, first term, by the way, is when LeBron entered the league. But that's what I was about to say, though, is part of this thing. When you look at the 2000, it's not like LeBron was a rookie. You know, he was the Christian Leitner of that squad who was still in college or something. Or AD when he was on the 2012 team. He'd been in the league. He was going into, I believe, his sixth season. Something like that.

Starting point is 00:13:39 Also, too, really quick. I hope that LeBron and Chris Paul, being a part of this very unusual but inducted while still an active player setup can serve as a gateway to getting rid of the five years from retirement milestone. And just the minute guys say they're retired, they become immediately eligible. Because as we were reminded with Kobe Bryant's first posthumous Hall of Fame induction, and then with the Redeemed team in 2008, you never know. Like you don't know what's going to happen.

Starting point is 00:14:18 Don't make people like Kobe who are so obviously first ballot, what the bleep are we even talking about inductees. Don't make them wait. I mean, just don't. I agree with you. And there's certain guys will have to wait. All you have to do is I forget exactly what the eligibility rules are. File your paperwork.

Starting point is 00:14:38 Take that five years and tack it on to the end. got five more years to get in. It's fine. Well, just the minute you say you're retired, you're eligible. Right. But I'm saying like, yeah, however you want to compensate with it, like, there's certain guys do we really need to wait when, you know, LeBron retires, when Yokic retires, when like, you know, when Anthony Davis retires. Like, we don't need to wait for this sort of stuff.

Starting point is 00:15:00 Just do it. Like the, you know, the question of, well, what if somebody unretires? Well, they'll be like LeBron and Chris Paul in the Hall of Fame as active players, because who gives a bleep. You know, you know who there are plenty of active coaches in the Hall of Fame still coaching? Like, just let's not be precious and stupid about this.

Starting point is 00:15:20 So LeBron is an interest. We talked about this sort of God tier superstar versus the next tier, the regular kind. And I think LeBron is no longer in the God tier superstar. He used to play the Yokic role. He used to be, you know, arguably even more God tier in the sense that like if you had LeBron,

Starting point is 00:15:40 you were almost like half guaranteed. You were like three quarters of the way. Eight years in a row of evidence says you were pretty guaranteed to get into the finals. Right. But like, you know, LeBron plus whatever, like you're like three, just LeBron is like three quarters of the way, if not 90% of the way, at least like a conference final. He went to nine out of ten finals in near succession.

Starting point is 00:16:04 He went eight years in a row, one off year, then back in the finals. Oh, and by the way, too, there was. 2007 in the finals, you know, a couple years off and then eight straight years. Right. He's pretty good. He's had a decent track record of success. Placing him is an interesting one. Like we did have to juggle guys like Tatum Halliburton players who, you know, Kyrie,

Starting point is 00:16:32 players who are currently hurt, expected to come back and like, you know, balance their lack of ability. availability for this season versus, you know, kind of where we all know they fit in the grand scheme of things in the NBA. And, you know, to that end, LeBron is a tough guy to categorize because there are, and, you know, you get a lot of flack on the show from the LeBron crowd for pointing out some of the challenges that come along with LeBron. But the flip side of that is, he was sixth and MVP voting last year. He was an all NBA performer. And when you look at the guys around him,

Starting point is 00:17:16 over the last couple of seasons, especially, he's been actually as or more available than many of them. And that starts to, like there's this interesting push pull with the expectation of the end, versus sort of what we're seeing and how you balance that stuff. It's why I still had LeBron, particularly in a season where, Tatum can't play as a top 10 guy,

Starting point is 00:17:46 but I find him to be a kind of a fascinating player to categorize in that way. Well, you mentioned Halliburton and Tatum and the people, you know, when we were told that we needed to include the injured people, that was part of the rules. We were not allowed to leave them out unless you just decided that Tyree's Halliburton or Tayton. or Tatum is not a top 100 player. They're not Cooper Flag.

Starting point is 00:18:09 Right. Like you're there. And I, you know, for me personally, I had them lower than LeBron in part because while I am reasonably confident that they're going to come back and have prolific careers moving forward, I need to see it first because it is a major injury. And also the big, I would say controversy to whatever degree this stuff matters to you with LeBron's placement would be Wehmanyama, who was seventh of. on the cumulative.

Starting point is 00:18:37 I had Wemnon Yama somewhere in the teens, in part because like what you were talking about, the availability issue, like as great as Weminiama clearly is, need to see him do more impactful winning, but also get through an entire season. But regardless of the actual number, and as we established at the top,

Starting point is 00:18:55 you and I are not really going to get that angry about the actual number in and of itself. It is worth noting the Lakers are the only team. in the NBA that have two players in the top 12 for this top 100 network consensus. The Lakers are the only one. Like, OK, C doesn't have it. Cleveland doesn't have it. Denver, Houston.

Starting point is 00:19:19 Name whoever you think are the biggest contenders in the league. Some of them you may think very understandably are better than the Lakers are more likely to win a championship. Brian and I would probably agree with you on a lot of those. And the fact that LeBron and Luca, both in the top 12, does not guarantee the Lakers anything or make him frontrunners. But when you're talking about the foundation of a team, that's not nothing either. Like these numbers don't mean anything, but they reflect something real. Two guys in the top 12 as the only team with that, that ain't nothing. And that is part of the conversation is what kind of league are we in right now?

Starting point is 00:20:02 because are you better off? Well, maybe we'll pick this up in the next segment, but the general consensus was always stack your team with as many superstars as you can and fill in the rest with sort of whatever. The consensus, I think, seems to be shifting more towards depth, more towards fit, more towards specific role. and I, with not without cause, but with specific roles to understand not just how your superstars fit together, but how your pieces overall fit together, like the sum of your parts being a little bit

Starting point is 00:20:47 greater than just being that top heavy. And so the question for the Lakers, especially when you factor in Austin Reeves at 58, which gives the Lakers three players in the top 60, which is pretty good. How does that work? that better to have three guys with that kind of talent where there are questions about balance in terms of skill set? What does it mean for the Western Conference and where the Lakers fit in? We'll do that next. We've had a lot of conversations, especially when you talk about fit, Andy, in terms of the Lakers, Luca and LeBron have overlapping skill sets in ways that are both very valuable but can be trickier to work with.

Starting point is 00:21:42 They are not as straightforward as pair Luca with a dominant vertical center or even somebody like Kyrie or an elite. Anthony Davis in a lot of ways. It be simpler to figure out the strengths and weaknesses together and how you use them to offset each other than say LeBron and Luca. Yeah. But the LeBron and Luca pairing, to me at least, is a little bit easier than the Luca AR pairing.

Starting point is 00:22:12 Like, you know, the numbers of those two guys as a combo last year were actually pretty good. But as you think about how do we build that, how do we work it? Like, again, overlapping skill sets and more importantly, overlapping weaknesses. Because like the biggest difference when you're comparing Luca with LeBron and Luca with AR is that LeBron, when you need him to be, can still crank it up defensively in ways that AR just can can't. It's not that AR is always a bad defender because that's not true. It's just that his weaknesses, there are certain things that he just isn't going to be able to fix. LeBron at 41 is still a better athlete when he cranks it up than Austin Reeves. And he's ever been stronger. He's

Starting point is 00:22:56 you know, like, you know, has ever been or ever will be. Like that's just the truth. Like, LeBron does not always put it out there. And, you know, lest we forget, he needed a little bit of time away from the team. And I've heard Matt Moore from Locked on NBA and Locked on Nuggets bring this up, that LeBron's highs are both often so spectacular and unprecedented that it can sometimes lead you to forget the lows that happen. But again, when the lows are still better than but like when you say that about Austin, you know, like he's better at an athlete afforded. Like, that's true of a lot of the league. It's not true. You're not just Austin.

Starting point is 00:23:38 Right, but we're just talking specifically. No, I understand. But it, but it matters, though, with Austin, because Austin is the guy that moving forward could be paired with Luca. And they are both by NBA standards, average athletes at best overall. In terms of explosiveness, in terms of speed. Right. Yes.

Starting point is 00:23:58 I mean, both of them have plus athletic skills, like, you know, the deceleration we've talked about with Luke. Change the speed, body control. Luca is a one percent or maybe a half percenter with change of speed. Like Austin actually has. Austin is too with body control, change of direction, understanding of speed, space, things like that. But overall athleticism and the strength in particular, you know, Luca has pretty damn good strength. But Austin, they're not NBA athletes.

Starting point is 00:24:28 And we never, we didn't get to it and we'll go back to it. Like one of our mailbag topics was sort of talking about that. like how do you what's the best way to fill in around potentially is a better you know an a r lucca combo like can you build with that going forward we'll we'll get back into that before the end of the summer but i i think the the thing with the lakers is to some degree and this isn't totally by design because the luka thing wasn't a plan um is the lakers are kind of the last template some ways of that god tier star structure surrounded by to some degree whatever we can fill it in with. And they've got some good guys. Like they've the whatever is a lot better now than it used to be.

Starting point is 00:25:23 But it's not a team that was built in a methodical. That's not a criticism. They didn't have the the contextually there was no opportunity to. I think people are understand I'm saying. Like it is. Just in the off season, even while working from a place of relative disadvantage, just with the benefit of an offseason and frankly the ability to communicate with Bill Duffy, Lucas shared agent with D'Andre Aiton and, you know, knowing about buyout, heads up and stuff like that, like the roster now looks like less of a constructed in mid-air metaphor that Rob Polinka talked about post-A-D. Like that roster that went into the playoffs was, this is the best we can do.

Starting point is 00:26:12 Given the circumstances, we have no regrets because we have Luca. However, we got to deal with this. This roster makes more sense. It makes a lot more sense. And I think they benefited from, you know, to use the Polinka metaphor, they had unexpected help from refueling planes

Starting point is 00:26:30 that came, you know, in the form of buyouts that I don't think people were really expecting to be on the market. And so I look at this team and I, I am not picking the Lakers to be the NBA champions this year. I do, I do not think they're going to finish in the top three in the Western Conference. I think for me, the most realistic short of guys getting hurt across the league, I have them at four. I think is like the natural sort of slot that they fit in. That said, I do think people are underselling the Lakers this year because they are looking at what happened in the playoffs last year. And they're thinking of the, you know, they're looking at DeAndre Aden as a disappointing number one pick and all that who's never quite reached his potential rather than a guy who's replacing Austin, I'm sorry, Jackson Hayes.

Starting point is 00:27:30 And I think if you took this rankings down to 150, 100, whatever, you're going to start to see DeAndre Aten, you're going to start to see Marcus Smart. You're going to see Rui Hachamura and players like that. Marcus Smart may not be the 22 DPOY version that we saw back then. But he's replacing no one in terms of your back court, you know, guy who can actually play against back court specific players because DFS, the previous sort of of three and D stopper, has evolved to a place where he really can't guard down anymore. You can really only guard what he is and up.

Starting point is 00:28:11 So you were comparing like the idealized version, people are doing it wrong. And so when you look at this Lakers roster with a God tier star, a next, whatever that next tier down is whatever you want to call it. And LeBron, when healthy, is squarely in that. go look at the guy's numbers in his production over the last couple seasons. He is at his on par with every. That's why he was sixth than MVP voting last year. Now you've filled in with a lot more depth.

Starting point is 00:28:40 Again, I just, I really feel like when you start to see all these things written down, we can carry some of this conversation. I know, Andy, you went through and did a lot of comparing around the west of how the Lakers balance. I just feel like the team itself is being sort of undersold. as a legitimate what-if contender in the West, what if something happens to Oklahoma City, what if they get a little bit of bad luck at the wrong time? I don't think that's me being a homer.

Starting point is 00:29:14 No, we actually a couple weeks ago talked about a piece that Matt Moore from, second time it's been name-checked on the show, but the- I'll tell you what, you want one nice thing when you're cranky Matt Moore about the Lakers. We just understand how hard it was for him to do that. Right.

Starting point is 00:29:28 But how much it hurt. The piece that he wrote for fan-sided that I'm paraphrasing the title a little bit, but why something like the Lakers are overhyped but underrated. And he talked about how everything with the Lakers is always under a heavy, bright microscope. Like it's just hyper scrutinized, often, you know, hyper, you know, putting the hype and hyper for everything. But if you remove the hype and a lot of times remove the name value or if you remove some of the controversies or polarization of a guy like DeAndre of DeAndre Aiton and you just look at skill set and what he's supposed to provide and the fact that he is a decided upgrade over Jackson Hayes, even if he changes absolutely nothing that the detractor. would point to. He is considerably better. Marcus Smart may not be

Starting point is 00:30:34 the point of attack defender that he used to be or even the one that the Lakers need, but he's an upgrade over most of the options that they had, much less None. They didn't have any. Right. So, you know,

Starting point is 00:30:47 and now, and by the way, to your point, Andy, by with Smart there, you're now bumping Reeves to a place where he can be a better defender because you're slotting more into the areas of stuff that he's good at. He is a lot like Luca in the sense that he is a very smart defender. He's actually got pretty good hands.

Starting point is 00:31:08 And if you're putting him in space, like, you know, as an awareness type defender, he can do a lot more. Luca, by the way, has something like 27 steals in the Eurobasket tournament. So, like he's playing some defense over there. Yeah. I mean, it just, and during the week, like I mentioned, I want to get into the Lakers top 100 reps versus the rest of the league because I do think it is instructive in both showcasing what the Lakers can do well and where I think they are vulnerable in roster construction compared to the rest of the league.

Starting point is 00:31:41 And it echoes a lot of concerns I have about the team moving forward in the Luka era, the best ways to build around an incredible but very specific star like Luka. but I agree with you that the Lakers, there's always a temptation, I think, in media to avoid looking like you are hyping the Lakers because you don't want to be a part of the hype machine and you end up just sort of milking the Lakers by talking about how you're not going to hype them.

Starting point is 00:32:15 Yeah, you bend over backwards to do it the other way. But this is a good roster. Is it a great one? Don't know yet. Remains to be seen. but if nothing else, it is a team that I think could, like you said, benefit from a few good breaks. And if nothing else, they're good. Like, they're a good team that I think fans can be excited about the season moving forward,

Starting point is 00:32:38 even if you're not feeling confident about the championship odds. The problem is they're about 12 good teams in the Western Conference. You only work in the league that you're working in. I know, arguably seven or eight really good teams. And then like four more that are like, damn, the team's not bad either. So we will continue to mine this top 100 for interesting info and things like that. We did not get to this Andrew Wiggins thing that Mark Stein wrote about. We'll try to do that tomorrow.

Starting point is 00:33:07 Or Brian Winhorse's comments about LeBron and when he might walk away. So we'll do all that over the course of the week. My apologies again to Cooper Flagg and his family for leaving him off my rankings. Locked on Lakers on YouTube is where you can go hang out with over 36,000 subscribers to the channel. Subscribe to us on Apple. Subscribe to us on Spotify. Subscribe everywhere. We'll see you tomorrow.

Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Luka Dončić 4th, LeBron James 12th and Austin Reaves 58th in Locked On Top 100

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