Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Luka Dončić Makes the Cover of Men's Health. How His New Body Impacts the Lakers

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, everyone, welcome to Lockdown Lakers for Tuesday. Brian Keminetsky, Andy Kaminetsky, Skinny Luca, is real. And it's on magazine covers now. A lot to be excited about for the Lakers coming up next. You are Locked on Lakers. Your daily Los Angeles Lakers podcast, part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. Thanks to everyone for making Locked on Lakers first listen of every day,

Starting point is 00:00:32 Monday through Friday, no matter how or where you get your podcast. This one's always free. Never Behind Paywall Locked on Liquors on YouTube is where over 36,000 subscribers are all hanging out and talking about Luca Donchich and his reshaped, reformed body. I thought, you know, I was out working on my body, working on my physique for a week or so. I thought I'd come in and be a big deal, but apparently Andy Luca Dantzic stole my thunder. he is on the cover of men's health looking good.

Starting point is 00:01:09 Okay, before we even get into how Luca looks, like, I mean, it's a dramatic change. To put this in perspective, I showed the men's health cover to my wife and my daughter, who neither one of them are massive NBA fans, but they both know who Luca Donchich is. They both took a second. They were like, wait a minute, that's Luca?

Starting point is 00:01:31 Like they both did not initially recognize Luca on this cover of men's health because he looks so dramatically different body-wise. And everybody is saying this, including Luca himself. But also, let's just take a moment to revel in and celebrate the irony of Luca Donchich being on the cover of men's health, which not that long ago was. would seem like the punchline to a really rude joke. I think a lot of people have made the point that perhaps there's some revenge bod going on here. There's a lot of stuff. And I think there's a combination of a few things, Andy. We'll get into some of the, there's a lot of interesting stuff in the article.

Starting point is 00:02:28 But one of the things that struck me about it was the idea. that yeah, like Nico Harrison cost Luca Donchich a lot of money. He cost him a lot of reputational damage. He caused Luca Donchich a great deal of upheaval and angst unexpectedly, totally unexpectedly, being kind of torn away from the only professional homies known in the NBA, I should say. And all this. I'm not trying to make Luca out to be like a charity case here. But like there was a lot going on here that Luca had zero expectation or influence over.

Starting point is 00:03:13 It's not in an Anthony Davis situation where he asked for this. Luca wasn't asking to leave Dallas and expect. You mean when Anthony Davis showed up in L.A. to make it clear, not when AD went to Dallas. You know, right. When AD wanted to, was trying to push his way out of New Orleans. So yeah. But you're correct.

Starting point is 00:03:31 But like, there's a lot going on here. And so, yes, I think, and we can all hope that Luca Donchage has a chip on his shoulder and a rage towards Nico Harrison that fuels him to throttle the league for the next decade or so in a Lakers uniform. That's everyone's goal. But, Andy, one of the things that I thought was interesting about this men's health article is that it does make it clear that this is also part of, at least, you know, based on what's coming from Team Luca at the very least, which is where all this, I think, is primarily

Starting point is 00:04:10 sourced. It is part of an evolution. Certainly not sourced from Team Nico. It is not. It is part of an evolution. It notes that, you know, Dirk Novitsky, you know, the ultimate Mavre needed most of a decade before he started to take fitness seriously. It notes that Lucas started putting his team together, you know,

Starting point is 00:04:33 a couple of years ago to try to move in this direction. And the whole operation, as we've talked about on this show, was sort of short-circuited by a finals run combined with, you know, European basketball and playing for Slovenia and injuries and never really getting healthy. Last year was his work. And also, too, real quick, because I think this matters for Luca and the Lakers, specifically moving forward. It got short-circuted, I think, to some degree by the Mavs' resistance

Starting point is 00:05:02 towards Luca using his team as opposed to their team, because that had been long a source of tension, particularly in the NICO era of the Lakers, with Luca, like the idea of him wanting to use his guys, like a lot of, you know, frankly, a lot of players around the league. LeBron has his own team. This is not unusual at all. But there were by most, multiple reports, some resistance towards this from the MAVs. And that was not something that was asking, leading to Luca to ask out, but it was something you didn't like. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:39 And so, you know, all of this matters. So I think it is, I don't want to discount the revenge factor here in this. But I think it is too reductive to say it's only that. and that there's no interest in Luca that there was no part of him that was going to start to evolve more on the idea of taking care of your body better and all these other things as he starts to get closer, still not close, close, but closer to 30, getting close to a decade in the league and all that kind of stuff. And that is also beneficial to the Lakers, that it's not 100% revenge makes it more sustainable, I think, over the long term. I mean, I think it's both, in all honesty. Like there's a big piece of both of this in here for Luca. He talks about in the article about, you know, when I was 18 and first got in the league, this stuff was easier just because your body is younger.

Starting point is 00:06:49 There's less mileage on it. you haven't fallen into as many NBA traps in terms of just the lifestyle. And I don't mean partying. I don't mean anything like that. I mean, like eating like crap. I mean, you know, frankly, if nothing else, Luca's transformation overseas, and this is not the first time, Luca has looked better from an offseason away from the States.

Starting point is 00:07:14 And then over the course of an NBA season in the States gains weight. And it feels like a scathing. indictment of America. I mean, Andy, Dallas, Dallas isn't New Orleans. No. But it's not a place you typically go to lose with. I mean, no. And look, this stuff matters.

Starting point is 00:07:30 We talked with Julius Randall at length for an interview we did for the athletic several years ago about when Julius, when he went to the Pelicans after the Lakers renounced his rights and he became a free agent, the first thing he did was hire a private chef. Because he said, I used to gain weight just on road trip. against the Pelicans. I'm going to be here year round now. I got to do things differently. And I think there was a realization for Luca of like, look,

Starting point is 00:07:58 I am entering my prime, which A is supposed to be my best years, but B, they're my best years in part as I get older. These are things I need to handle. Make no mistake, though. This is also revenge body and gallivanting all over town showing it off. Like, Luca is going out of his way to make sure everybody sees his new hot bod and the fact that he now looks like he could be a male model. Like there is no question that he wants everybody to see this.

Starting point is 00:08:34 He's showing off the goods. There's some human nature here too because anybody who's like, you know, neither one of us have ever, you know, totally let ourselves go, but neither one of us is exactly like, you know, you know, you'd mistake us for, you know, a professional, like a linebacker or something like that. You know, we're in shape, whatever. But like anybody who's ever been like, you know what, I got to get rid of 10 pounds. We've all been there, 10 pounds, 15 pounds, whatever it is. When you get to that point where you can see it, like the first three or four pounds

Starting point is 00:09:11 suck because it's all work, it's all sacrifice and you can't see it yet. But when you drop 10, you know, when you get to like 15, you've been working out, you feel like all of a sudden you can see it and you like it. And there's a couple things. There are moments in here where, you know, the writer notices like Lucas stops to kind of look at. And that is also important because once you kind of get used to it and you like the look of it.

Starting point is 00:09:40 And you know, Luca Donch is a 26 year old guy. Like, you know, I mean, you want to look good and all that kind of stuff. he sees it. He has seen the transformation. I think the fact that he likes the transformation is significant here. There's one of the, not one other thing. There are a few other things that this article gets into that I think are fascinating in terms of how Luca is training and what to expect from Luca on the floor next year that I want to unpack.

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Starting point is 00:11:37 get the energy, get the energizing boost that you need to power through today. Order transfusion flavored five-hour energy shots today. I remember Andy when Steve Nash was traded to the Lakers. And like, One of the things you hear about a lot is like this conversation about athleticism and what an athlete is. Is this guy an NBA athlete? Is this guy not? And what stuck out to me is in this article is not just the idea that, you know, Lucas could be leaner, you know, hopefully a little less susceptible to injury. They've done work to bring down his inflammation. Mixed sort of what do they call it?

Starting point is 00:12:19 Like where you're playing, he put down the basketball for, you know, a month, five weeks, whatever. And he was playing pickleball. He was playing paddle, like different sports that they play over there. And he was, you know, you end up a situation where, like, they're training for him in the athleticism that he has. It's not about can I jump five inches higher. Can I run, you know, 10%, 15% faster? Although he might. He might be a little bit quicker up and down the floor.

Starting point is 00:12:52 But there was a really great section of that article. where they talk about the type of strength that he has in terms of changing speed. And what you have to do to maximize that capacity to burst and stop, different kind of athleticism, different kind of strength, and working on stuff that is crafted towards Lucas athleticism, because the notion that he isn't a top flight athlete is absurd. Well, it's a different type of athleticism. Correct.

Starting point is 00:13:21 it's a type of athleticism that isn't sort of a it isn't typical for how we grade NBA athleticism specifically but you know that change of speed that Luca actually is elite like even among the most elite athletes in the league this is the one area of athleticism that Luca can basically match anybody else they refer to it in the piece as eccentric force which is basically getting your muscles to contract and deceler. in that change of speed. And it's something that I think will help Luca offensively in terms of the way that he can free himself up for shots, get defenders on his heels.

Starting point is 00:14:01 It wouldn't surprise me at all if combined with just being lighter on his feet, less mass, it could maybe help him defensively as well. Because that same change of speed that he uses against defenders, he can try to use that when he's being targeted defensively himself. And the better he can react with the need to change speed as a defender or just to be able to change speed to catch up to somebody else. Like you said, it's not necessarily about up and down the court speed. But even if he can defensively, because this is one of the areas that I'm very curious to see

Starting point is 00:14:41 if Luca benefits, if it gives him an extra second, second and a half that he can stay with somebody else so a help defender or somebody can rotate, that one and a half seconds can be the difference between a defensive stop, you know, a possession that ends with a stop or part of the eventual path straight to the basket. Like those seconds, tiny seconds really do matter. And that's an area where I think the deceleration on both sides can be a really big deal. Yeah. And you talked about, you know, Nash. Luca has a great quote in the article where he'd say, you know, it's like, it's athleticism isn't just about jumping really high. And like, I agree with you. I think most of where

Starting point is 00:15:29 we'll see these benefits other than Luca, hopefully just staying healthier. He's always been a guy who's played a lot of games until last year. And so, you know, is this year, is he able to play more? Is he able to? Is he able to? to stay on the floor and avoid last season's injuries, the soft tissue stuff, like the calf and whatever, if he does get hurt, if he's starting from a place, a lower weight and all that kind of so, will it help him get back faster? But I agree with you. I think it's the mobility on defense where we'll see him because look. I mean, as for those of you on the audio and not watching on YouTube, won't see my air quotes as bad.

Starting point is 00:16:16 as Luca was last year. And it really was his worst season as a pro, I think. Most people seem to agree. The numbers offensively were still quite good. Luca could be honestly, Luca could be 400 pounds. And as long as he is able to play, he would put up bonkers offensive numbers

Starting point is 00:16:35 because he's just that talented. The assists are there and all that kind of stuff. Those numbers are going to be there. And it's not, it's not about him. becoming a lockdown guy. I totally agree with you. It's a matter of what does it mean to your defense if Luca is 15% better?

Starting point is 00:16:55 If Luke is 15% more mobile, which makes him, because he's not a god-awful defender. He's just good at certain things and not so good at other things. So if he's 15% better, what does that mean for Austin Reeves next to him? What does that mean for LeBron next to those guys? What does it mean for how you can utilize Marcus Smart? presumably in the starting lineup. That's where you and I both believe it'll be. What does that mean for DeAndre Aiton?

Starting point is 00:17:24 Defense in the NBA is a puzzle. And so how the pieces fit together, 15% better that you don't have to maybe cover for Luca for everything, don't have to cover for Reeves and cert. Well, like that can make a really big difference. Well, it can also, too, like some of the things that Luca does well, Like, for example, he anticipates very well. It's why he can play passing lanes well.

Starting point is 00:17:48 It's why I think he's actually pretty good at bodying up and anticipating where somebody is driving and actually meeting them there. Like things like that. Again, just being a step or two quicker. It's also interesting, too, like one of the parts of this profile of Luca that I thought was pretty hilarious and felt very much like Luca is they talked about how. when Luca went a month or so without playing basketball, which in and of itself was an argument. Luca did not want to put down a ball for that long, but he eventually agreed.

Starting point is 00:18:25 And beyond the weight training and the conditioning stuff that they did for him, like you said, they were playing pickleball, paddle, things like that. And Luca ended up eventually enjoying it, I think seeing the benefits of it. But also he liked it because it was something that was competitive. And Luca actually points out, you know, I got in a bad mood when I lost, but I didn't lose very often. And it reminded me of how when Istok Franco was on while you were on vacation, you know, Eastok has covered Luca forever, going back to like Slovenia, Real Madrid.

Starting point is 00:18:59 And I asked him about Luca with defense and how like theoretically before we even saw this picture is like the fitness could help. And he talked about how with Luca, sometimes his best, the best way to, you know, utilize him defensively is actually in more challenging assignments because it actually brings out that competitiveness in Luca. And like Tim McMahon, I believe talked about this as well when we had him on when he was promoting his book about Luca. Like Luca is really insanely competitive. And often the things that when you see Luca look, for lack of way of putting it disinterested at times on that end of the court, it can sometimes be a problem. It can sometimes be a product of not necessarily being challenged enough. So the sweet spot for Luca might be the most

Starting point is 00:19:50 difficult assignment that he can reasonably handle because that will keep him most engaged. And if you're looking to do something like that beyond the overall effect of, hey, if Luca doesn't have to have the easiest assignment, maybe you can give that to LeBron at times because of his age or whoever. But if he's more fit, if he's a little bit quicker, if the conditioning is better, that might make it easier to land on that sweet spot with Luca defensive. And I'll say this and then we can go to break and a couple other things to talk about with this. I think there's another like basketball part of this because Lucas certainly heard the the chatter after the finals. Like, you know, nobody played more minutes, nobody scored more points.

Starting point is 00:20:34 Somebody like the idea that Luca somehow was like a liability to the Mavericks in that in that playoff run is beyond absurd, which is part of the reason Mavs fans found the whole trade to be so ridiculous, this idea that, you know, Mavs can't win with Luca on the floor, like, you know, you got to be better defense. Like the guy dragged, you know, not dragged. There was a pretty good team around him, but took him to the finals and played more minutes than anybody. It wasn't because he was out of shape that they lost that series or something like that. It's like at some point you just, you know, you run it. But like, he heard this idea that like he was attacked and targeted that. entire series. And, you know, he is a liability. And all that's a last year was just not an opportunity. I'm not saying he's faultless that he did everything. That's not my point. But the timing of events essentially made it impossible for him to really respond to that.

Starting point is 00:21:31 Because he didn't have an offseason. He didn't have an opportunity to get himself healthy and get himself as fit as he even, maybe not cover of men's health. but on the program that he wanted to be. He did not have a chance to do it. And so this season is the first season for him to really respond, not just to last season stuff, but the criticism that came from the finals.

Starting point is 00:22:00 And so I think, again, when you put all of those things together, you're starting to see a foundation for, you know, again, just a really helpful chip on his shoulder. Absolutely. There's also, I want to get into a couple things when we come back, A, about one other benefit of this with Luca that I think can be team-wide and connected to Luca, but not necessarily directly on the court, but also to some of the sour grapes that you're going to hear from Mavs fans,

Starting point is 00:22:35 maybe even message from the Mavericks organization to which I say, cry more, get into that coming up next. So we'll get to your stuff here in a second, Andy, and I do want to note, like, there was a lot of indications on what day is at Monday. I've been traveling. So remembering when things were happening. Over the weekend, was it Monday? I'm not totally sure as I catch up.

Starting point is 00:23:08 Multiple people reporting that there is a growing expectation that Luca might actually sign an extension with Lakers sooner rather than later. I know a few weeks ago, Andy, we were talking about like, Brian Windham were saying, don't freak out if it takes a week, two weeks, three weeks, or whatever, because typically he doesn't do a lot of NBA business while he's also doing Slovenia business, you know, with Eurobasket, whatever. And so the indications are that he actually might sign closer to that August 2nd eligibility. And Andy the Lakers, certainly if you're a T-Leaf reader, are feeling really good about what that relationship looks like after things like Luca helping recruit Marcus Smart to sign with the Lakers as

Starting point is 00:23:56 opposed to many other teams that were interested in him. Well, he also just happens to be in L.A. on August 3rd for part of a Nike event that he is, I don't know if he's hosting or helping promote or whatever. It's some global one-on-one tournament. He's had stops in New York. Ground the best one-on-one players in the world? Yeah. And this led to Luca, by the way, at Yankee Stadium.

Starting point is 00:24:24 And this is where you really know that Luca is in shape. Because it's one thing to look svel in, you know, dark navy or black shirts. Well, so, you know, the photography is in there. They're kind of making it look good. It's men's health. They know how to make people look fit. But also, those are slimming colors. But white, like white can be very unflattering, which,

Starting point is 00:24:46 Luca wore at Yankee Stadium. There's no trick to photography there. My man's looks hot, like white hot. The man looks like a damn model. But like he's going to be there on August 2nd or August 3rd right at the time where he can actually sign this thing. So it works out at least potentially perfect. He's going to be right there before he eventually goes back to Slovenia for Eurobasket.

Starting point is 00:25:15 A couple of things that I wanted to get in. into in terms of what this means moving forward really quickly to address these sour grapes that are inevitably coming from Mavs fans from the Mavericks organization. Well, this proves NICO was right. Like this would have never happened unless he got traded. Like if he had stayed in Dallas, you know what? I don't care. I don't give an F, man.

Starting point is 00:25:36 That's Dallas's problem. That's Nico's problem. They had seven, six and a half seasons to reach Luca. along these lines. And I know that I asked both Nick Engstaff from Lockdown Mavs and Tim McMahon, to the best of your knowledge, was there ever really like a difficult conversation, sit down with Luca over this? Hey, we want you to be a Mavs lifer, like Dirk, who you quite literally.

Starting point is 00:26:06 Dirk's last season was Luca's rookie year. It was like a true passing of the torch. We want you to be that guy, but we have these concerns. and neither Nick nor Tim, who know that team very well, was certain that something that direct ever happened. And that is as much, if not more, a failure on the part of those guys. Say what you will about the Lakers and their history of star referee, which you and I have often been critical of.

Starting point is 00:26:35 J.J. Reddick was not afraid to throw out the championship shape. You know, everyone needs to get in championship conditioning line. that may not have been solely about Luca, but it was certainly not about Luca. And that was before Luca was locked up and like risk of losing whatever. They said the thing that needed to be said. Maybe the context changes it.

Starting point is 00:26:58 But bottom line, Dallas, you had your opportunity to make this happen and you didn't do better next time. The thing though that I think, go on. Oh, yeah, go ahead. I think we may be going to the same place. So go ahead. The thing, though, that I'm very excited about for the Lakers moving forward, beyond the individual ways that this may help Luke as a player, keep him on the court more, all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:27:25 I think this can be a team-wide galvanizing thing, like a real let's-eth-and-go type thing. Because you know Lucas' teammates have all seen him, and they all have to be like, holy bleep. like holy bleep he looks like a different dude and when that guy heading into his first full season of it officially being Lucas team we all know it's Lucas team it's Lucas franchise when he commits himself heading into a season like that it puts an extra level of accountability and onus and I would even say inspiration with everybody else because you want to match the Q being set by your leader. And this is Luca really stepping up in a way that everybody has said he's needed to.

Starting point is 00:28:18 I think it makes it very difficult in a great way for other guys not to follow suit when they see this. I, it's a, you know, I think like LeBron with defense, you know, all that stuff. Like you need your best players, ideally to set the best examples. doesn't always work that way. I don't mean necessarily they need to be your most vocal leaders. They've got to be yelling and screaming and do all that stuff. Be great with the meeting. Like, no.

Starting point is 00:28:47 But what you, it is always better when your best players have the best habits. You know, say what you will about Kobe, particularly earlier in his career and his ability to work with teammates, to relate to guys, to have multiple to pull ways to bring a guy along. For a long time, Kobe sort of every problem, he only had a hammer and every problem was a nail. And as the toolbox expanded for him over the course of time, and as he got better as a leader and all that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 00:29:27 But the one thing you would never accuse Kobe over is not being, like he set an example of like, this is the standard of being ready to play, of being, and being fit. And even then, like, you know, he didn't take his diet seriously over the first few years of his career. And we had conversations with him about that. But he still, I mean, the dude put in time in the gym and all that kind of stuff. He just elevated even more as he got a little bit older. And you compare that to Shaq, who famously didn't do those things. And in Elio, it impacts your team when your best players don't take that stuff as serious. seriously. And, you know, LeBron, when he dialed in on defense last year, that kind of come to Jesus moment after the Miami game, he turned around what the Lakers were doing defensively. And I think I agree with you. Everybody sees Luca and they're going to be excited about it. You know, Marcus Smart. I read something this week is, I think it was from Stein saying that, you know, he's changing his body a little bit, kind of after an injury-filled season and all that kind of stuff. LeBron is, always going to be fit. Like it just, it elevates the group,

Starting point is 00:30:44 but it's got to, the best stuff now has to come from Luca, because this is Lucas team. Yeah. And these are also the signs of Luca taking that responsibility seriously. And obviously, you don't want to get too far ahead of yourselves. Like we have not even reached August yet, much less preseason, much less an actual season, much less hopefully several years with Luca in a,

Starting point is 00:31:09 Laker uniform, but you can only grade based on what's in front of you, and you can only try to read tea leaves and figure out what it means based on the things that have happened. And one of the things that happened is Luca has very clearly dedicated himself to being in a better athletic shape and addressing, at least theoretically, some of the things that as great as Luca has been, there have been certain pitfalls, I think, with injury that I think reasonably you could suspect, are connected in some way to conditioning or weight or just too much mass. I think he's still going to be, after leaning out, strong as hell. I mean, one of Lucas' big advantages has always been, he's really, really strong.

Starting point is 00:32:00 But even if you lose some of that mass, if you're replacing it with more lean muscle, you're going to remain strong. And I think Lucas just naturally strong period. They're not, these are not dumb people. And strength and weight are not the same thing. And they are not, I can guarantee you, they are not sacrificing an ounce of Luca's functional strength. And more likely they're adding to it.

Starting point is 00:32:24 So, yeah, he's a strong dude just inherently to begin with. Yeah, absolutely. They're just leaning him out a little bit. And so I just, I look at this and it is it validates. The Mabbs guys can say, yeah, sure like you said earlier, you can validate their thought to, I don't care about with it. But like for the Lakers, you need to see these signs.

Starting point is 00:32:52 You're going to sign Luca to whatever contract he wants anyway. All a bit like, to erase any of that back of your mind stuff, like this, the last three weeks of news have been fantastic. And I'll tell you, I'm actually really excited that he's got Eurobasket to go into because like there's this he had a break to get his body right. He had a break from basketball to do different kinds of training. He's back on the floor. There's this progression to his offseason. Now he gets to play some games.

Starting point is 00:33:23 And then he'll get a little bit of chance to recover before training camp starts. And you can just, there's this flow of end of last season into the beginning. of next season that is perfect that he seems to have a phenomenal plan for. And I'm going to leave, at least on my part, I'm going to leave you with a line from this profile of men's health that I think is really great in terms of figuring out at least how sustainable this could be moving forward. Lucas says of, you know, just the work that he's been doing to rebuild his body, quote, if I stop now, it was all for nothing. And, you know, that's, it's very much along the lines like, you know, when I quit smoking,

Starting point is 00:34:09 I was a pretty heavy smoker for decade, decade and a half and eventually quit. And once I really quit, once you start getting those days under your belt of having quit, it becomes that much more of an incentive to stay quit because you're like, well, then what was the point of going six months without smoking if I'm just going to start again? And, you know, it's the same thing with any. vice or I don't even want to call it with Luca vice necessarily but a lifestyle change the more days you get under your belt doing this the more results you get that you like the more incentivized you are not to backslide yeah just become it's the

Starting point is 00:34:50 routine it becomes it becomes your what do they say like you got to do something for 30 days before it can be considered a different habit you know there are all these things like you just have to do things you have to live with something for a certain amount of time before it can really become your new normal. And so hopefully this is Luca's new normal. And we'll see. But anyway, in between, Locked on Lakers is, you can go hang out with that. I forgot.

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