Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - NBA Trade Season Has Officially Kicked Off. Where Do the Lakers Stand?

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Starting point is 00:01:12 On Tuesday at practice, he saw the e-bikes that Luca Donchich gifted to Lakers' teammates and staffers. On Tuesday, this is the big holiday gift, so you can report on that. He can also tell you which Stafford didn't get his bike because Andy rode it home. So we'll see about that. But first. Well, technically that Stafford did. get his bike i just took it's right i pretended to be if you break into somebody's home and you steal all their stuff technically they got their stuff you just took it right it's amazing nobody didn't

Starting point is 00:01:51 realize that you weren't stew lance when you went to pick up your e-bike um good fake idea okay mr lance um but first before we get to me i looked at the bike and i said nice And it was good enough for the security. Well, you look much difference, too, than the last time we saw you, but the noise, I guess it is you. Bingo. You mentioned how many doors you could open with that. Man, they are having a miserable season over there in Clipper Town. The Lakers, Andy, they've got flaws.

Starting point is 00:02:37 I think that is how most of us feel about what's happening in Clipper Town right now where the bottom is completely dropped out. Maybe they can make improvements as trade season begins.

Starting point is 00:02:50 There's a long... You just got to channel their inner streetlight and I think everything will work out. Oh, God. There are, there's a lot of time between now and the trade deadline when all of this ends in February.

Starting point is 00:03:04 But what's important, about today is it's the first day that everybody is eligible. Not everybody. Most of the players around the league are now eligible to be traded. Teams can start engaging in that stuff. And it's never too early to start thinking about how your team can be improved, especially, Andy, given that the Lakers have had their flaws in their losses exposed in major,

Starting point is 00:03:37 major ways for all to see. And so while trades aren't necessarily happening today, it is interesting to think about where the Lakers fit into the ecosystem of teams that will be trying to improve, because they are obviously right near the top of the Western Conference and in position to potentially do some damage in the spring if they get a couple breaks. To your point with the Lakers and what they might be trying to. to obtain leading up to the deadline. And for those unaware, December 15th, which is a couple days ago, that marks the first day where the majority of players who either signed contracts as free agents during the

Starting point is 00:04:21 offseason or extensions become trade eligible. Enough time has passed. There are a handful of players that won't become trade eligible until January 15th. Herb Jones is among those with the Pelicans, a very good defensive wing that a lot of teams including the Lakers have been linked to and will continue to be between now and the deadline because the Pelicans, if they have any common sense whatsoever, should be tearing that thing down. Then again, common sense and the Pelicans are not often two things linked together. But now is the time where teams can at least start, I think, more of these exploratory calls at the very least.

Starting point is 00:05:06 just knowing that you can now actually start getting some traction. And if things move faster than you may have expected, they can become realities. What's going to be interesting for the Lakers is, on one hand, to your point, there are seven losses have been all double digits and have really laid bare the weaknesses of this team. Frankly, I think all of us knew heading into it. but athleticism, defense along the wing, the wing, speed, those type of attributes. Those are also some of the more difficult qualities to trade for around the league. Everybody wants those type of players.

Starting point is 00:05:50 The Lakers will not be the only team interested in adding a wing defender who can stretch the floor. They won't be. But I just, I think for starters, it's, it's really interesting to me to see how other people view the Lakers in terms of how active you think they're going to be. I mean, set aside for a minute, you know, can the Lakers get into the Yonah sweepstakes before the deadline, if there is a Yonah sweepstakes before the deadline? The answer is, no, they can't. Because they will have trouble coming up with the money to match Janice's salary. They don't have the draft capital. They don't have the young players and all that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 00:06:40 Set aside the what can they do questions that are around the roster. Like what do they have to offer people? It's also the what will they do? Will they be aggressive trying to improve this team? given, you know, some of the talk about the summer of 26 about uncertainty, what happens this offseason when LeBron comes, theoretically comes off the books and you're going to have to, you know, theoretically bring back Austin Reeves and all this kind of stuff. The athletic, for example, categorized, you know, kind of a, they did a teams by grouping and, you know, aggressive buyers, aggressive sellers and, you know, teams that might stand pat. They have the Lakers in the Stan Pat group that they don't expect much to come from them in part because of the summer of 26. I'm not sure I totally buy that logic.

Starting point is 00:07:37 I'm not sure I do either, but it but like just the perception of the Lakers as they won't be sellers, but as non-buyer. They may be they may be sellers. They're not going to be sellers of anything or anyone. considered of great value around the league other than whatever you think of the one first round pick that they can trade right now. And I guess what I mean by sellers is like when people, you know, commonly people think about sellers at the deadline or teams that are willing to trade stuff that other teams might want for future assets for things like that.

Starting point is 00:08:17 Yeah, you're right. That's a better way to put out because I was going to say they have some expendable players or contracts that they may move, but that's not really sellers. You're correct. You know, and I don't see how, I mean, look, I think Jan is shaking loose and all that stuff, potentially earlier than the summer, which is the earliest that the Lakers could possibly start to put a credible offer together. And even then, it's unlikely.

Starting point is 00:08:49 Milwaukee would have to lose their minds to make a trade to the Lakers, even when they get control of like another pick and all. It's just they could do better. I do think it helps them that this stuff starts to shake loose now, because if Yannis looks like he's going to be on the move somewhere else, you know, to a Houston, San Antonio, one of these teams that can offer Milwaukee a really good package for Janus.

Starting point is 00:09:20 It takes that summer off the table because unless you think Nikola Yokic is going somewhere and I don't think anybody does, the Lakers can be much more aggressive thinking about right now. And I know we're past this idea of building around LeBron, like you've got to win one for LeBron. Winning for LeBron right now

Starting point is 00:09:43 means doing something aggressive to maximize Luca in his prime. Yes. And I just don't see the, I don't see the currency in waiting around while you have a prime Luca. You don't have to do with something stupid, but waiting seems really dumb to me. Well, particularly if you are waiting for what you feel like is a 10 to 15% chance of Janus at most, that to me feels like in a season where you've managed to cobble together

Starting point is 00:10:15 a lot of wins, despite some very glaring, weaknesses that we talked about and they have beaten some good teams during these opening 25 games. They've had some quality wins. It's one thing not to go all in for the sake of going all in. And honestly, pre-Luca, it felt like if the Lakers were going all in the last like season or so of LeBron and AD, it would have felt more like they were doing it out of a sense of obligation, as opposed to truly believing in what could still be accomplished in the LeBron and AD era. I think they very rightly recognized in all likelihood that window shut. It's our own damn fault.

Starting point is 00:11:02 It's shut, but it's shut nonetheless. Like that to me would have felt like if they had made another big move, it would have been more out of either a sense of obligation or what the hell else are we going to do, as opposed to really believing in it. you want to make sure that if you make an aggressive move before the deadline to try to capitalize on now, and I would be in favor of that, I think one way to try to approach it would be to start building next season's team now. And if you can start getting some players that you like moving forward, I would certainly prioritize that over cap space that you could use to trade Janus or somebody else into.

Starting point is 00:11:43 Let's stay on that for a second. I do want to tell people first that today's episode is brought to you by GameTime, download the GameTime app, create account, use the code, lock an NBA for $20 off your first purchase. You are touching on, Andy, the most viable way for the Lakers to help themselves this year. There is a type of player that they could target that would give them the most options probably in what they could get back. We'll explain next.

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Starting point is 00:13:49 the way to do it, Andy, I think, is, by, as you alluded to in the previous segment, you call it taking on, you know, starting to build next year's team now. I call it offering to take money that goes beyond this season, into next season, into the season following. I don't know if they will, but that's the avenue to, to, you know, to opening a wider kind of aperture of who they could go get in the, in this trade market, it's by agreeing to take money on that goes two, three years down the road.

Starting point is 00:14:36 And that's not a bad thing. It just means you have less flexibility in the magical summer of 26. Well, I mean, what it really means, ultimately, is you have to be right about the players that you bring in. You just have to make good choices because the idea that if you, you have these contracts on the books, it hurts your ability if all of a sudden free agents, or not free agent, well, it could be a free agent superstar X or superstar X becomes disgruntled. They are available one way or another. And all of a sudden, because the contracts you have on your books, it becomes impossible to obtain them.

Starting point is 00:15:12 It doesn't if those contracts are worth having, if they're good players. Like if other teams will like them, they can be tradable. The problem is if you have contracts like, say, Kendrick Nunn or the last couple of years of Gabe Vincent or honestly, the Phoenix game notwithstanding Jared Vanderbilt, like these contracts that have very little value around the league that you might have to attach sweeteners in order to move them, that's where you start actually getting in trouble. and frankly, the Lakers have had to do that a lot over the years, attaching first round or second round picks that eventually start adding up to move some of these contracts. But if you bring in players that are good choices, you know, we see players get moved every year in every season.

Starting point is 00:16:05 The Lakers can move some of those players well if they choose well. And in the meantime, if you're not going after that superstar or whatever, whatever, if those players are good, they will help you now. So you can win both ways if you select properly. I just, I hate, I hate, I hate the holding cap space plan. I have hated every year the Lakers have done it. And, you know, this has been the, the MO, certainly, you know, for much, of the Rob Blink era, but there have been other seasons where it has been as well.

Starting point is 00:16:51 It is the most short-sighted, uncreative way to think about how you're going to improve your team, to where you only have, and it just, it screams old-fashioned Lakers way of doing stuff, where we're just going to... The Russian League way of doing stuff. The league, but especially the Lakers, because they are so associated. Ironically, most of the good stuff that they've been able to get and, you know, big improvements have been trades or drafts or things like that. You know, they traded for Pau Gasol. They, I don't know how still traded for Luca Donchich.

Starting point is 00:17:35 They did all this stuff. You know, they traded for Anthony Davis, which, you know, I guess was a little bit sort of almost became a cap space play. you know, short of LeBron, I guess. This path that they would be on is so limited. And I actually don't, I really don't think they're going, this is the direction that they're going to be in. If you are willing to take back salary, and like you say, pick guys who have appeal across the league,

Starting point is 00:18:09 then if you do end up needing to open up cap space, If you do have an opportunity to go sign somebody who wants to play in Los Angeles, you can then make a trade. You know, these are not blood oaths where you are sworn to keep a guy for the length of the contract, assuming you, like you say, pick wisely. And I just hate the idea of waiting through this offseason. into the next one, doing anything where you're not trying to leverage the prime of Luca Donchich as much as you can each year. Now, that may mean, that doesn't automatically mean that you're going to be able to,

Starting point is 00:18:59 quote, unquote, go all in every year. You might not be in position. The Lakers are not in good position this year to make a big trade. They do not have young players that other teams are going to, want. You know, there isn't going to be a lot of demand for Dalton Connect. Addu Thero, yeah, I'm sure teams would love to take him, but you're not going to build trades around him. You know, Bronny James, same way. There are teams that would pick up Brony. I know people will make fun of that, but there are teams that would take him on. Nobody's going to build a trade

Starting point is 00:19:31 around getting Brony. I mean, to be perfectly honest, Brony has a sort of unspoken no trade clause right now because they're not going to trade Brony while a Braun still almost close. It seems unlikely. But, you know, so that's... Which is sort of problematic in its own right because it means you've got a guy on a roster. Between LeBron, Brony, and Jackson Hayes, they essentially have three guys with no trade.

Starting point is 00:19:53 But honestly, even if they were really like, you know what, LeBron's going to be gone next year, we'll trade Brony at the deadline or something like that. Even if that were true, there's still, like, you can't juice trades like that. No, but you can make salad balance. They don't have a lot of draft. fixed off. They've one draft pick that they can

Starting point is 00:20:13 control. They don't have a lot of stuff. What they can offer are expiring contracts. Gabe Vincent, Maxie Kleba, guys like that. Jared Vanderbilt, if you wants a team to take him on, probably cost you a pick.

Starting point is 00:20:29 They're no probably involved. Rui, unless you're taking on somebody else's bad money. Right. Rui could have some appeal around the league, but teams would be, I think, a little bit wary of trading for him because he can walk, giving up a lot of value. Austin Reeves, same kind of deal.

Starting point is 00:20:47 He's not going to sign an extension with any team until the offseason. So that limits his value, plus he doesn't make that much money right now. So the Lakers are limited in what they can do, but that doesn't mean they should be limited in what they would do. And I think sometimes those two things get conflated a little bit. I would find it infuriating to see them kick the can down the road for the perfect opportunity in next season, the season after, the season after that. Because that's how it always works with these giant summer free agent cap space bonanzas is you end up pushing it down the road. There's always going to be something next year or the year after that or the year after that where you can keep your clean sheet.

Starting point is 00:21:36 It is a terrible way to do business in the modern NBA. I mean, for what it's worth, I'm not convinced that's what they would be doing, certainly not beyond 2026. We had a lot of discussions about this over the off season. I never bought into the summer of 2027 clean cap sheet narrative or reports. I just simply said, they sounded conveniently stupid to me. And frankly, they sounded like something that was coming from the Rich Paul side of things and the clutch side of things.

Starting point is 00:22:06 LeBron's side of things unhappy about at the time their perception that this team was not good enough and that also LeBron didn't get a contract extent another one plus one or an extension or anything like that. The summer of 2026, you could make an argument for flexibility over their options between now and the deadline. And they could say, you know what, we'd rather take our chances with just a wide range of flexibility as opposed to the offers that we have on the table in front of us and we don't think they're that good. But that's a different story. That to me is a decision that you make independent

Starting point is 00:22:48 of. Yes. I like that's it does this help us now? Is this a good idea now? Yes. They should never, ever, ever. If waiting for, you know, the perfect free. Let's let's do let's do these and come back. talk about it a little bit more. So we'll get into that coming up next. Locked on Lakers is brought to you by Game Time. The World Cup is coming back to North America for the first time since 1994. And with 48 teams for the first time ever, it's going to be massive. But let's be honest, getting tickets, that's usually the hardest part.

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Starting point is 00:26:39 Like you've got to make a move. make a move for the sake of making a move, to show that you're serious about winning, I do stupid things. The Lakers should never do stupid things, even when there's pressure to win right now, and there is because the Lakers are good. They have LeBron who is still, you know,

Starting point is 00:26:56 he's rounding in the form, he's not LeBron of old, but he's a pretty good player with Luca Dantzich. You have Austin Reeves. You're at the top of a very competitive conference. You're good. There's pressure to win now. That does not mean they should do something stupid,

Starting point is 00:27:10 There's a lot of room in between. And all I'm calling for is for the Lakers to not wait because they feel like this amazing opportunity is just around the corner. Andy, if we just, you know, it's one summer away. If we just the perfect superstar for Luca Donchich, no, he's gone to a finals without, you know, the quote unquote perfect, you know, top. five co-pilot. Kyrie's a great player, but he's not Yonis. Luca doesn't necessarily

Starting point is 00:27:48 need Yonis to take a team to a finals. Well, I mean, the question would be, yeah, Kyrie may not be Janus, but Austin Reeves, or maybe this version of LeBron, isn't Kyrie. Sure. That version of

Starting point is 00:28:04 Kyrie. So that would be where the calculus for, you know, looking for a superstar would come in. And obviously, if one is realistically available, it should be pursued. Your larger point, though, about the waiting is the real thing. What I think is going to be interesting, though, is just,

Starting point is 00:28:23 like we said, we understand, I think it's pretty obvious. Remove Superstar X from needs and just think about what is lacking from this team. The attributes, like we said at the top, They're pretty obvious. They're pretty glaring. Everyone knew heading into the season. It hasn't changed. A guy like Herb Jones, for example, isn't available to mid-January,

Starting point is 00:28:47 but he is going to cost at minimum the first-round pick that the Lakers have available. If for no other reason, then they're not really going to be able to offer New Orleans anything better. Like expiring money doesn't help New Orleans because they don't get free agents anyway. They need as much. many young players in the form of young players or picks that become young players as possible. And for the time being, unless you really love the glimpses of a due thero or believe that Dalton Connect is just wholly miscast or just stuck in a bad situation with the Lakers and he could be better somewhere else.

Starting point is 00:29:30 And, you know, I could understand maybe if the Pelicans thought that would be a worthy try. they don't really have anything else that they can offer New Orleans that they'd be interested. Like forget the fact that Austin Reeves would never either re-sign with that team or allow them. They have the pick. They can offer the pick. And the pick is likely to be in the high 20s because you have Luca. But I'm just saying Austin doesn't even make sense for the Pelicans period. He's too old for a rebuild.

Starting point is 00:30:01 But like, if you start thinking about more mid-teens. names, you know, like a Keon Ellis, for example, in Sacramento. He is a solid outside shooter and a very good defender. He's tricky to trade for, A, because he makes so little money. So, again, they have to really either like Thero or like Dalton, or maybe you have to expand this thing somehow, but he's also somebody you might have to overpay to win a bidding war for and Keon Ellis is an impending free agent. So you have to be pretty confident that you want to retain him for a while because while I think he'd help this team, I don't think Keon Ellis is

Starting point is 00:30:47 I don't I don't think he is going to help the team enough that he's worth burning a first as a potential walkaway guy because you ultimately don't want to pay him. He's also, I mean, he's another guy who's kind of a concept as a player as much as he is a proven commodity. I mean, he's not played huge minutes consistently in the NBA. He's, you know, he's, he is the Jared Vanderbilt of the Sacrament of Locked-on-Kings in the sense that he has a, you know, gets a, there's a lot of why isn't Keon Ellis playing? Well, I would say, though, and I think Matt George would, our friend over at Locked-on Kings, would say some of the reason that his playing time has been up.

Starting point is 00:31:34 and down and everything has been crazy is just that's the function of the kings. I understand that. All I'm saying is it's not like you can point to him and say, you know, here's a guy with a track. He is still a somewhat speculative. Sure. You have to. Look, you have a track record.

Starting point is 00:31:50 Well, you have to essentially do the same thing that the Lakers did when they traded for Rui. And obviously giving up, you know, they didn't care about giving up Kendrick Nunn, but I believe they gave up three seconds in that deal. That's not insignificant. and Rui was on an expiring contract, you had to have felt at least fairly optimistic about if we put Rui in a different setting, he can become the type of player that the Wizards thought he was when they drafted him as a lottery pick in the first place. Like you're doing that type of a speculative deal on somebody like Keon Ellis and just thinking

Starting point is 00:32:26 like he's been surrounded by all of this chaos. I think there's going to be for the Lakers, at least for the time being, with the relative lack of truly attractive assets. And also, I think the idea that if possible, you want to retain, for the most part, there are going to be exceptions, but I think you want to try to retain Rui, the best of your expiring contracts, and add to that as opposed to theoretically swapping out Rui, maybe gaining certain skills you don't have but losing what you have in Rui, I think there's going to be an element of flyers being taken for the Lakers with their particular situation. Or let me throw out a name

Starting point is 00:33:13 that was discussed today in the media room, just as a possibility because I think you could do this with just expirings and no firsts at all. Terrence Mann with the Nets. He's got a couple year. He's got about 31 million owed past this season. He's not considered with having a good contract at all. But there were times with the clippers, he looked very good. And you could get him or should be able to get him. And I demand to get him without giving up any first, which would leave you some flexibility to do something else. Maybe. I mean, I don't object to that. Do I necessarily want to be on his contract for the next couple of years? Not really. Do I look at him as somebody, like, doesn't excite me?

Starting point is 00:34:05 I think they will have to look, though, at guys like that who seem like potentially distressed assets, but have shown flashes before, and you can find reasons to believe in our more serious environment with more sure. Yeah, I think, you know, the other thing to remember, actually, the Lakers don't have a lot of seconds either to deal. i think they have two max it might just be the one um so that's something else to consider

Starting point is 00:34:37 hollinger put out a list of of players um it's sort of like guys he's looking at he was calling his um all trade deadline team um and that's you know it's obviously looking very far ahead but you know there are guys like um yannis we already talked about jonathan camminga i'm not going near that um lamello ball not, you know, doesn't work for the Lakers anyway. Still not going near that. DeMarrozen doesn't make sense for the Lakers. Lesser players like Jeremy Soen for, on San Antonio, guys like that, you know, C.J. McCollum is probably to be on the move.

Starting point is 00:35:16 You could probably find a bunch of clippers right now. He threw out a guy like Benedict Matherin on Indiana. Chris Donner, Derek Jones, Jr., would be the clippers that I think would be potentially. Somebody like Derek Jones would make a lot of sense. Assuming you can stay healthy. Right. And done, you would be getting for similar reasons. The point, you know, that my takeaway from those kinds of lists is more that it's going to be really difficult to find the players that can do kind of what the Lakers want, that there's not necessarily going to be a ton of guys who are available.

Starting point is 00:35:55 I saw something a couple days ago, like the Lakers are going to be probably on the market, like looking at trades on the margins as opposed to the big stuff. That's almost, I think, the only place they're going to be able to operate. But two or three, one or two, maybe even multiple smart deals on the margins could help this team a ton. and your bad contract, maybe it's Terrence Mann, maybe it's a contract you don't like for hours, if it's the right guy that fills a slot for this team, you're right. I think the wizards, the nets, some of these teams are the teams you should be scouring to try to find their spare golf. That's where they'll go.

Starting point is 00:36:48 You were at practice, Andy, on two. Tuesday. And so we'll make sure to bring some of that sound that you got and get you ready for Thursday's game. We'll do all that tomorrow. Some stuff from El Segundo, Andy, at practice asking questions of JJ Radick and the player. So we'll do that tomorrow. Locked on Lickers on YouTube. As we can hang out with over 37,000 subscribers. Do leave questions. Do leave comments. We read them every day and often use them to figure out what we're going to talk about on the show. We'll see everyone tomorrow.

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