Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - No Luka Dončić, and the Lakers Get Hammered By Phoenix, 132-108

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Starting point is 00:00:48 I'm Brian Komeneski. That's Andy Kemenisky. I call that number one, folks. Number one. Numero, who no. Like the opposite of what the Lakers defense is.

Starting point is 00:01:00 Like there's number one, the top, that's what the locked on podcast network is, the number one sports podcast network. Then there's the reverse of number one. That's what the Lakers defense is. That was, Andy, too. Before we get too sidetracked here,

Starting point is 00:01:16 I do want to let people know that today's episode is brought to you by Game Time. Download the GameTime app, create an account, use code, locked on NBA for $20 off your first purchase. Not if the housekeeping has been taken care of Andy. I want it. It's, it's, thank God, Mom couldn't see this because she's in St. Louis, and they just don't broadcast the, you know,

Starting point is 00:01:37 this particular Laker game there. Because you know what she would have said about this game? She would have given it her classic review. That was disgusting. That's mom's adjective when she doesn't approve of something. It was disgusting. And in this particular case, she would have been correct. Everybody who attended that game at whatever they call that arena in Phoenix these days,

Starting point is 00:02:03 like talking stick or something like that. I don't even know anymore. all, every one of those fans left with at least six points. I mean, it was insane how bad the Lakers defense was in this game. It wasn't the only thing that went wrong in this game. And obviously the Lakers playing short-handed, no Luca, no Rui Hachamura, Gabe Vincent not there. I'm not saying there weren't extenuating circumstances to at least the final score 132108.

Starting point is 00:02:33 But oh my God, this was an atrocious performance defensively. the defense is where everything really bit the Lakers in the ass and really provided them no chance whatsoever. I know they only scored 108 points, but you have to remember the Lakers were playing at least half of the fourth quarter in garbage time. Austin Reeves was on a minute's restriction upon returning from his calf strain anyway, and this was the type of game that was going to limit his minutes returning from injury regardless. at the end of the day, LeBron said so afterwards, the offense was working well enough despite the absences there, 48% from the field, 38% from behind the arc.

Starting point is 00:03:16 It was not always pretty, and if nothing else, I feel like this game was a reminder that without Luca, you could argue this team does not have an offensive foundation or frankly even what feels like a semblance of a plan, But the defense was on every fathomable, imaginable level ridiculously bad. Like Phoenix shot 59% from the field, 41% from behind the arc, 18 of 20 at the line, 62 points in the paint, 21 second chance points. The Lakers botched pick and roll coverage.

Starting point is 00:04:00 They botched off ball coverage. as JJ mentioned after the game and JJ was pissed about the defense in this game. He said a lot of things we'll get into but he at one point said something the effect of we tried zone and we tried switching one through five

Starting point is 00:04:17 when neither of those are working you're kind of out of options. They tried regular like whatever the defensive plan was and they tried zone and they tried switching. Right. And you know,

Starting point is 00:04:29 it's obviously more complicated than that but in some respects, it was actually that simple. No, I mean, you run out of stuff. I mean, and it's not like there's some sort of scheme that the coaching staff just hasn't uncovered yet, that if they'd only do X, Y, or Z, the Lakers would go from one of the worst defensive teams in the league over the last month or so to one of the best. That's just not what's happening here. And, you know, they're not a, it's not like Luca or Rui make them a great defensive team. It's not like Gabe Vincent makes them a great defensive team.

Starting point is 00:05:10 Those guys help in part because the offense, you know, might operate a little bit better. Luca score some points. The ball stays in the other team's buck, whatever. But this has been a bad defensive team for a little while now, a few weeks, no matter who plays. You know, they won that game against Utah the other day, but it's not because they were good defensively. It's because they outscored the jazz. Like, you know, this is not even close to the type of defense that will advance the Lakers, you know, multiple rounds in the playoffs.

Starting point is 00:05:49 It's not even close. Until they get their proverbial bleep together on that end of the floor to at least a respectable level. I'm not even talking lockdown elite, thunderlight level. Are you going to take away their L.A. privileges? Take away their L.A. privileges. I mean, do it. I wasn't going to say I'm going to take away their L.A. privileges, but I think it goes

Starting point is 00:06:14 without saying to quote Marcellus Wallace, they've lost all their L.A. privileges for the time being, until they get their proverbial bleep together on that end of the floor, they will remain a good, but not nearly good enough team for the goals that they all say they have for this season. And they will also leave themselves parenally vulnerable to blowouts. This is yet not just the ninth loss of the season. It is the ninth double-digit loss of the season. They have only lost by double digits. it's when they lose, they get their asses handed them.

Starting point is 00:06:55 And it is pretty much always because of what happens on defense. Now, look, this isn't soccer. You know, the standings aren't determined by goal differential. So, I mean, in some sense, it's like, it doesn't matter if you lose by five or 15 or in the case of the Lakers usually 25 or sometimes 35. It's still one loss. But the problem, like you mentioned this on, on, like I'm so thrown off with the holidays.

Starting point is 00:07:24 Monday's show, I think it was, that, you know, it's not like the Lakers are blowing teams out very often either. So it's like either win by six or win by eight, you know, sweep crunch time like they have, or you get annihilated. They've had a few double digit wins this season. They've had a few impressive wins this season. They've had, many, I think they've had a lot of pretty good wins. especially when you consider who's been in and out of the lineup.

Starting point is 00:07:53 Right. But they're not, you know, lapping teams where, you know, obviously not to compare any team to the Thunder, but we're like you're just getting past the point of counting on like two hands and maybe a foot. How many games Shea's played in the fourth quarter? So, you know, that kind of thing. How would you break this down?

Starting point is 00:08:18 It was interesting, like, Billy, Mac, if you watch the Lakers broadcast, asks Stu at some point, Stu Lance, the analyst. So, you know, what's wrong with the defense? And this was a question that was essentially presented to JJ Reddick. First of all, Billy needed to ask Stu that at the beginning of the game rather than the end, because he threw this grenade in Stu's lap with only like 45 seconds left in the game. There wasn't enough time.

Starting point is 00:08:44 Oh, that didn't give Stu even close to enough time. And maybe that was Billy trying to not sound like a company man, but at the same time, be a company man by not really giving Stu who can go wrong. Well, Stu can be brutally honest. And a mistake you could make would be to give Stu enough time to answer this. I, but, you know, when JJ was asked this question and, again, multiple ways. Like, what's wrong here? Like, what is the problem?

Starting point is 00:09:20 And, you know, he had more than one answer, which is, I think, instructive here. This isn't a pull one car, lever, you know, change one card, you know, play one thing differently kind of thing. the Lakers have to figure out how they can turn the tide on this a little bit or it's going to continue to get ugly fast. Well, I thought Stu, though, said something that was pretty instructive, and it was echoed by JJ, and we can definitely get into it next. We'll also talk about Austin Reeves return after missing three games with that capstan DeAndre Ait and also returned two games with the sore elbow.

Starting point is 00:10:08 But Stu said something to the effect of I'm not at practices to see exactly all the particulars and details and intricacies of what they're installing the schemes they're trying to execute. But whatever they are, they're not doing it. And JJ afterwards confirmed in very angry terms, they are not execute and bleep while they're out there. And it's become clear. JJ's like, look, at least in his mind, I'm telling you people what you're supposed to be doing. You're not doing it. We'll get to this next. I thought this was a very interesting press conference for JJ Redick.

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Starting point is 00:13:26 But want to let you know, every day or club. That, you don't often see JJ say it's not me, it's you. You know, like he will sometimes, you know, say, yeah, that guy didn't play. well we missed this whatever but he for every one of those he tends to be like and we got to do better and you know we didn't prepare them enough or x y and z whatever might be this was not one of those things andy on after tuesday's game it was very clear that jj was like no no it's you it's it's you it was asked um because the the second the second half the third quarter in particular is where things really snowballed badly defensively like the

Starting point is 00:14:15 The second quarter was trending in that direction, to be clear. But the third quarter and really the immediate opening of the third quarter is when the bottom dropped out. You mean when Phoenix scored on their first 13 possessions? Well, I know that because JJ actually said that. When asked about what happened in the second half, he immediately noted they scored on their first 13 possessions. if your opponent scores on their first 13 possessions, unless you were playing with one hell of a lead to start that second half, you are likely to lose.

Starting point is 00:14:54 JJ acknowledged that they didn't do enough to keep Phoenix out of the paint. Again, I mentioned 62 points in the paint. I think it could have been more had they kept more of the regulars out there. He also, I thought this was very telling from JJ. He said that the team often, particularly against younger, quicker teams, operates like they're stuck in mud. But he said, look, this team, I'm not directly quoting him, but this team has a low margin for error.

Starting point is 00:15:25 And what he's referring to, and JJ's acknowledged this before. On paper, they do not profile to be an elite defensive team just through personnel. Everybody knows. Yeah, everybody knows this is not a secret. We've been acknowledged. Yeah. Yeah, it's been acknowledged. But because they have a low margin for error,

Starting point is 00:15:44 the execution of what they are looking to do needs to be really on point to try to offset the lack of athleticism, the lack of speed, all those different factors, as best as possible. Like it's not going to be perfect. You're probably going to still be at somewhat of a disadvantage, but you want to try to offset it to the degree that you can. That comes through execution,

Starting point is 00:16:08 But it also comes through knowing what the hell you're supposed to be doing, focusing on what the hell you're supposed to be doing. And it wasn't there. This also, by the way, and I know both of us, I think in particular me, but both Brian and I have been a broken record on this. This is why eth and around in some of these earlier season games against lesser opponents and being willing to coast to a win comes back to bite you. because these opportunities that you had to build the things you're supposed to be doing and getting them better against more challenging teams, you lose those opportunities. And the Lakers have already been put behind the eight ball because of all the guys who've been in and out of the lineup.

Starting point is 00:16:52 This is the 17th different starting lineup in 29 games. You have to make the most of the opportunities that are in front of you. And I will argue and have argued for all. all this season, the Lakers have not done that. Tonight is an example of why it matters. Yeah, I think JJ said they have had two healthy games this year. This was their 17th starting lineup, I believe the number was Nick Smith, leaping into the starting lineup.

Starting point is 00:17:26 And look, I think that's part of it. JJ was actually asked about that, like how the lack of continuity, particularly on the defensive side, you know, five guys on. a string all these other things it's hard to do that and you know he i think sees it i mean in a lot of ways kind of like i do like it is a factor it is not the factor like they you know and redick obviously is very sensitive about appearing to make excuses you know we just haven't been healthy enough to get continuity's like you know we've practiced enough we've gone through these things and all that kind of stuff it hurts them on both ends though i mean

Starting point is 00:18:03 I think for me the biggest thing about this is not so much that I feel like let's say they'd take in every single possession, you know, 100% seriously this season. No team does it, but let's just say, how about 80%? Right, for sure, 75, I don't know what their number is. But like, let's just say they've done all of them. And again, no team does it. I don't think it would have kept them from losing this game. But whatever the upside that they do have, whatever the ceiling is that they can reach,

Starting point is 00:18:45 it puts them further away. Like, you know, they, because they are not a team that profiles to be good on that side of the ball, because they don't have the personnel to just, you know, you can look at the thunder and be like, well, that team's going to be able to defend the rockets. teams can be able to defend. We can't do that with the Lakers. So whatever you have at your disposal, you need to take advantage of.

Starting point is 00:19:13 The Lakers obviously haven't. And so whether you think it's a huge factor or a smaller factor, it's a factor. Well, the other reason I do think it's a factor and I think it matters is I feel and because I think it goes hand in hand with not doing this stuff. I feel like this team often treats themselves

Starting point is 00:19:33 like they have arrived more than they have, like they've accomplished more than they have. And maybe it's a byproduct of having LeBron on the roster who has been there, done that as anybody in league history, much less anybody currently in the league now. Or a player like Luca, who is a certified top five player in the league. You could argue top three.

Starting point is 00:19:55 Some people would argue top two. He's been all NBA five seasons a row when he's been healthy. Like he's one of the best players in the league. by any reasonable measurement. Austin Reeves has ascended. They've got some high-end role players like Rui and Aiton, and they've got guys with talent, and they're part of an organization that has championship pedigree,

Starting point is 00:20:22 at least in history, at the very least. And you and I have covered championship teams before. We've covered the Lakers for like 20 years with ESPN, LA Times, the athletic. we've been around teams that have won championships. It is normal for teams that have won championships or teams that have been around and know they can make deep playoff runs

Starting point is 00:20:42 to sometimes co-stering certain games, whether you like it or not. That's normal. It's normal for all teams. All teams do this. Sure. But this team, though, has not proven enough of what they actually can do, in my opinion, to a, afford themselves those luxuries.

Starting point is 00:21:02 or B, just assume that they can make it work when they need to. They shouldn't. Yeah, I don't. I don't. They have not done enough, man. Sure. I agree that they have done enough. I'm not totally sure I accept the framing of here,

Starting point is 00:21:22 which is what you're saying, that they just feel like the arrogance, essentially, that you're talking about, where they just feel like they can turn it on and turn it off when they want. I mean, Lucas said after the Utah game, we have a habit of seeing what star players out and playing down to that. Again, I think most teams do this.

Starting point is 00:21:42 I mean, if you go around the Lockdown podcast network, you can hear a lot of complaining about this very thing. But I do think there is something, and I'm not saying there's none of that, like they don't take it easy sometimes. They don't pace themselves. They don't do all that kind of stuff. But there's a second part of this, really a third. part of this that I think is very relevant to why this kind of thing keeps happening.

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Starting point is 00:23:29 I do think, though, there's more to it than that. J.J. was essentially asked after the game, like, do you have a lot of guys? guys with sort of perpetually high motors. And his answer was basically no. You know, they have more guys. It's not that they don't play hard, but that they sometimes have to be sort of jostled. So I think there is a little bit of that.

Starting point is 00:23:55 Like it is a, it is not a team with a bunch of just a thousand mile an hour, say what you want about the guy, Dylan Brooks types, who always play like their hair. is on fire. The second part of this is they are slow. They are physically, by NBA standards, slow. And it is hard to, like some of this, like you're looking around the court. I feel like there's like you get, you draw energy from the other guys like moving around, flying around.

Starting point is 00:24:32 That gets you moving around, flying around. They don't have a lot of flyers. Sometimes they all kind of come together and you get that six minutes or seven minutes of really high intensity defense and stuff like that. But we've talked about whether or not that's really sustainable for 82 games, 48 minutes a night. And I don't think it is. So that's part of it. And then,

Starting point is 00:24:58 you know, you get to the skill set aspect of it. Like if you go back and you watch some of the highlights from this game, there's stuff that even I am not a coach. I do not try to pretend that I understand every nuance of defense at the NBA level. But I'm watching at home going, that's clearly not what they're trying to do. That's clear. Like you can see it.

Starting point is 00:25:25 And then you when you break down the video and you have professionals pointing out, it's even more obvious. They make a lot of mistakes because they don't have a lot of high IQ defenders. And some of the higher energy guys they have are very limited in other ways. It's just games without Luca, Rui, you start to see where more of the structural flaws are on this team. We've known about the structural flaws from the beginning. That's fine. But getting beat repeatedly on backdoor cuts, for example, that's got nothing to do with speed.

Starting point is 00:26:03 that's got nothing. Absolutely. No, it does. It does. It doesn't have anything to do with you when you're not watching the guy that you're supposed to be minding. You get caught back door because there were a couple times this happened where guys, two guys come high to, you know, because, you know, both guys come out to pick up a player

Starting point is 00:26:20 on the help. Nobody rotates behind. All these other, the rotations are bad. Somebody cuts back door. There's nobody there to help. There's also the times where guy gets just standing. My point is it's not just paying attention. It's also understanding.

Starting point is 00:26:35 Yes. Defense. It's not, you know, it's not just these guys fall asleep. It's that they don't have the instincts and the sort of togetherness to moving as a group to defend that stuff. Well, that's fine. But that means they also should have been working a hell of a lot harder, focusing on it a lot more during in-game action where they had opportunities instead of, frankly, by their own admission, coasting. Like this, don't take my word for it. Take their word for it.

Starting point is 00:27:03 Some of that, too, as a grain of salt, like, when guys say that we can do better, because they say, they have to say they can do better. But I've also seen them do it well. That's the thing. I've also seen them do it really well. I think you're being honestly way too easy on that. I think you're trying to boil everything down to effort and attention and structural arrogance in ways that I think.

Starting point is 00:27:31 No, I'm not because I've always said that this team does. doesn't have the defenders they need. It's part of the reason I get upset that JJ doesn't try to mix the lineups a little bit more to try to find more balance in it. I think they're two separate issues. They both exist. I think they both exist a lot, but I don't think they're ever going to get better or as good as they can be, if nothing else, with what they can do until they start making an effort

Starting point is 00:27:53 to bust their ass on it more often more frequently. We agree on that, that they need to be consistently a higher effort team. My point is that the effort is the effort part of this has a ceiling. It does. I would like to see them maximize the ceiling's not high enough. That's fine. Maximize the low ceiling before you start worrying about anything else. Until they start maximizing whatever their low ceiling is, the other stuff doesn't really matter,

Starting point is 00:28:24 at least unless they're going to make a trade. Like, you have to at least try to maximize what you can do regularly. I mean, and it's obvious that they're going to. they're not. Again, it's obvious that they don't put their mind to it on a regular basis. DeAndre and Austin returned. They did. They did return. And Austin was not good. Very good. No, he wasn't. And you could tell also that's what JJ thought because he was asked about the return and he started to say something to the degree of, you know, it's difficult to evaluate and then he kind of trailed off. He was like, he, it was good to have him. He looked nice in his uniform, you know?

Starting point is 00:29:08 Yeah, I mean, he said that it was good to get him back on the court. He thought he had some nice drives, which he did. He did. That's actually when Austin looked his best. I'm sure there's an element of rust. I'm sure there's an element of him not being all the way back physically. Like, I want to be fair to Austin in this. But he looked out of sort, particularly defecutive.

Starting point is 00:29:30 offensively. Like he just awful. He was awful really really struggling on that end. He was struggling at times with his handle. The outside shot wasn't falling. Again, some of that may just be timing and rhythm. He also, they played him off the bench in this game because he was on a minute's restriction. Austin talked about it afterwards. And he clearly understood the logic and I don't think he was upset about it. But it was also clear he's like, this felt weird. Like this. I felt out of sorts when I was coming in and out of the game. Like this didn't feel natural in terms of getting my return as smooth as it could be. Yeah, it was the whole thing was higgledy-piggledy, as they said back in the day. Did they? They did in other countries. That's the first. You've watched Peppa Pig.

Starting point is 00:30:27 I have. I don't remember them saying that. They do. The British shows. They'll say things. Yeah, he, he, hopefully he will look better against the rockets on Thursday. He did say that he felt good during this game and that he was hopeful he could play more minutes. It sounded also like he'd be, he'd be fine with no, no restriction.

Starting point is 00:30:48 Let me just, just let me play. Yeah. It felt pretty clear. I thought, I thought DeAndre actually looked pretty good. I also felt awful that you want to talk about a dude who was just abandoned, defensively. This is the rare, for all of DeAndre Hayton's reputation, heading into this season.

Starting point is 00:31:09 And excuse me, still the bronchitis getting over it. For all of us, yeah. Like, dudes were leaving him out to die. He needed, he would have needed 13 arms. He was horrible. He actually, I thought, was probably the best in terms of what seemed to me like, doing the things you're supposed to be doing

Starting point is 00:31:32 and putting in the requisite effort, if Aitin was not the best out there defensively, I thought he was one of the best. Low bar to clear. Still. Yeah, no, I agree. What I actually thought was more interesting. You and I were kind of texting about this,

Starting point is 00:31:46 and we'll talk about it later in the week. Housekeeping note, we are not going to do a show into Thursday. So Christmas Eve into Christmas, we're taking Wednesday night off. We will obviously do a show after. Thursday's game against Houston. But later in the week, I want to talk about this. Because like I said, when we were in our spirited debate moments ago,

Starting point is 00:32:10 I think, you know, when I think about like the structural issues that they had here, part of what on a night like Tuesday where Ait was actually pretty good and pretty efficient, but they really could have used more from him in the sense of like more opportunities to get him shots. And they really couldn't. And to me, it was reflective of sort of their limitations as a team. DeAndre only had eight shots. He's not a guy who goes to the line.

Starting point is 00:32:40 Like, that's not, you know. It is what it is. It is what it is. But like this was a night where you really would have liked to get him 15 or 16 shots. And they really couldn't. You would actually mention that heading into this game that that was your hope. Yeah. And they just couldn't do it.

Starting point is 00:32:56 And there are a lot of reasons for it that I think. think indicate why even while the percentages that they shot in this game, even before, you know, crunch time, there was no crunch time, even more garbage time. Definitely no crunch times. Even before garbage time. Like the percentages were fine. Except for the free throw line. They were, you know, they needed to make more free throws. But they got there plenty. they have some problems with the sort of allocation of talent and the skill sets on this team. And certain guys, including one who I was really excited about going into the season, kind of low-key, haven't been able to pick up the slack in ways that I hoped. You know what that, Andy is? That's a tease for a future episode.

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