Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - What Assets Do the Lakers Have To Build Around Luka Dončić This Summer?

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everyone, welcome to Locked on Lakers for Thursday, Brian Komenetsky, Andy Komenetsky. We're all prepping for a busy offseason around the NBA. What exactly do the Lakers have to offer other teams? That's next. You are Locked on Lakers. Your daily Los Angeles Lakers podcast, part of the Lockedon Podcast Network, your team every day. Thanks to everybody for making Locked on Lakers first listen to every day Monday through Friday,

Starting point is 00:00:33 no matter how or it, each podcast. This one's always going to be free and never behind. to paywall. Locked on Lakers on YouTube is, of course, where over 35,000 subscribers to the channel are all hanging out and getting themselves ready for a summer of action, Andy, according to Rob Polinka. You know, we've talked about a lot of teams that could be very busy in one form or another, whether you're talking about the Dallas Mavericks, having to reform their team now that they have Cooper Flagg there that could make Daniel Gafford available. I would say it could make everybody other than Derek lively, I suppose could be available,

Starting point is 00:01:15 but it would have to be a pretty good offer because he's perfect to pair alongside and grow with Cooper Flagg. I suppose. I agree all that. Yeah, I suppose it is possible, although I think unlikely, that Dallas could decide to just completely pivot all together towards just building the team that they want around Cooper flag now from the ground up. And again, I don't think it'll happen. But yeah, they're too, but either they'll have an argument for doing it, particularly since you don't even know when Kyrie's going to be back, much less the type of player he's going to

Starting point is 00:01:56 be. They have an incredibly unbalanced roster. They don't have a bad roster in terms of talent of any kind. But what I do think makes Dallas kind of an interesting comp to the Lakers. And we don't have to go down the rabbit hole of what Dallas is going to do because that's for Nick and Isaac and Bias to figure out. But I do think there are lessons to be learned from the Lakers in terms of how far you can go with unbalanced talent. And the Mavericks roster right now, particularly with Kyrie's availability quite TBD and quite in flux, they are hella unbalanced. Well, yeah, they don't have any guards. I mean, they're, they are woefully short on ball handlers and guards and playmakers.

Starting point is 00:02:43 The Lakers have plenty of playmaking. They just don't have enough rebounding and interior size. I mean, I think, you know, it's, we'll get into some of the priorities and stuff over the course of it. But like, you look around the league and, you know, other, you know, Dallas seems. like they'll be active. I agree with you. I don't think they're going to make no sense. They're too good to completely tear it down right now and start rebuilding, I think. I can see the logic for it. I don't expect them to do it, but I can see the logic for doing it. San Antonio is in prime position. I saw a report today. Jonathan Givoni, you know, does Draft Express for ESPN,

Starting point is 00:03:22 says, you know, he's hearing that they're going to take Dylan Harper and draft him and put him with Castle and Fox in the back court and go on with women. I don't buy it for a second. I mean, maybe, but you're making yourself pretty guard heavy there. You've got a lot of assets that at some point you might be used. Oklahoma City could be busy. One team we haven't talked a lot about is Houston. They could be very busy this offseason.

Starting point is 00:03:45 Boston now, for reasons that Celtics fans won't like, could be very busy. Milwaukee with Janus have some decisions to make, depending on what Yon. So there really could be a lot of activity going around all on around the league. And I think we talked about it for Wednesday's show. Like both of us agree more activity probably helps the Lakers. And the reason is any individual player that comes on the market in terms of trade, you know, that you need to acquire in a trade, it's going to be really hard for the Lakers to outbid. And if they can, they can really only outbid teams once. Like if you look at it, here's what the Lakers have in terms of draft assets.

Starting point is 00:04:31 They do not have their pick this year belongs to Atlanta. Yeah, it goes to Atlanta. Next year they have a pick, but they can't trade it yet. Can't trade it until that draft. They have a 27 first rounder that they cannot trade. And so they're protections on it right now. So it may not belong to them. It is not theirs to trade right now.

Starting point is 00:04:57 Correct. So really they're only allowed to trade one first rounder in either 2031 or 2032. They have a second rounder they can trade. They do have five pick swaps, according to Bobby Marks at ESPN, that they could put into a deal. But pick swaps with the Lakers, depending on what you are giving up and what you're getting, aren't necessarily going to be super appealing because if you think you're giving what the Lakers need to finish

Starting point is 00:05:25 second, third, fourth every year in the West, then you're talking about a pick in the mid-20s probably. So pick swaps don't have as much appeal. And then in terms of players, who among players do you think has real value just in sort of intrinsically as a player? Not talking about contracts, not talking about, you know, expirings or things like that.

Starting point is 00:05:52 Who would you put in that category? I think Austin definitely has value. I think Dolphi has value. I think Rui has value. I don't think Gabe Vincent has a ton of value other than for a team that just needs some stability. I mean, honestly, we were talking about Dallas before. Dallas is actually a team that could maybe use Gabe Vincent right now. They do not have any real point guard play to.

Starting point is 00:06:18 speak of. And again, you don't know when Kyrie's going to be back. They're actually a team that might want more than Gabe Vincent to give up, say, Daniel Gafford, but it doesn't change the fact that they could use Gabe Vincent. I think that's... Sure. And because they have PJ Washington and they've got lively and they've got AD and Kyrie eventually coming back, they don't need, you know, they don't need Shea. They don't need like a point God. They need a good... I don't know if I solid point card play, which I would say is probably something between Gabe Vincent and an all-star caliber point guard. I think they need something. I don't think they need a, you know, I don't think they need a first-team all-NBA caliber point guard.

Starting point is 00:07:02 I mean, I need a first team. Sure. I mean, and they're not going to, it's hard to get one of those guys anyway. My point, again, I'm not looking to go down Dallas's rabbit hole. I'm saying he has, I think Gabe has some degree of value for a team that might just once. some veteran experience, particularly as an expiring you don't have to commit to. But I think he's about half player value, half expiring value. Maxi Claibah is all expiring value.

Starting point is 00:07:31 Jared Vanderbilt, until he can show he can stay healthy for an entire season, he is a stressed asset. NBA, NBA, you know, a useful playoff piece. Like, it's just, you know, he's, if he goes to a lesser team, you know, a team near the bottom of the conference, it's in. entirely, you know, is it like Vincent to me is at least somebody who might have some appeal because you've seen him in the playoffs, you know, with Miami and all that, like having some good moments. Like he's a little bit more of a proven guy. I agree with you.

Starting point is 00:08:01 I think Reeves and Connect are basically it when you're talking about pure sort of players. I would put Rui. I would get the problem with Rui. And he's, Reeves has a little bit of this, but I think he's just more well-regard. Rui is both, his expiring deal is both potentially an asset if you're a team that wants to open up cap space, although I happen to think that expiring contracts are less valuable now than they used to be. But it's also problematic. Like do you, if you want to acquire a guy like Rui because you like him, that's one thing.

Starting point is 00:08:44 But you then are putting yourself in a position where if you give up value or something that's valuable to you to get him, then you have to be in a position where you really want to recite him. And who knows what that market is going to look like. So like it's a little bit of a kid. I almost think he'd be more tradable if he had a second year on that deal just because he had a really nice season this year. We know what his flaws are. We know what his strengths are. He certainly showed $17 million. worth of value in this in this NBA that we currently play in.

Starting point is 00:09:19 It's not nothing that the Lakers have, but it's not tons. They are in, I think, a better place than they were last offseason where we both stressed to our audience over and over and over. Don't expect them to do much. We understand that they need to do a lot. They are not in a position to do much because they have so little that they can offer, like other than the pick that became Dalton Connect. And even that's like a mid first level pick.

Starting point is 00:09:57 And it was pretty clear outside, I mean, regardless of what you think of it, outside of you're getting an all-star, somewhere between all-star and all-MBA caliber player, they're not moving Austin Reeves. Again, agree, disagree with the logic, whatever, that had been established. From there, you had Gabe Vincent who needed to show he was healthy. Jared Vanderbilt really needed to show he was healthy. Christian, like Christian Wood, Rui had another year left on his deal. Like they are in a better place than they are right now,

Starting point is 00:10:27 just because more expirings can give you a certain degree more maneuverability than guys are not sure about that you have to pay for multiple years. Oh, yeah, like Vaynerg's on the last part. I think, like I said, Ruey might have a little bit of value. given coming the season he's coming off of if he was locked in for one more year. Vincent and Vanderbilt, no question being expiring helps. I'm sorry, not Vanderbilt. Maxx, sorry, thank you.

Starting point is 00:10:54 Maxie, yes. Vando has multiple years. Yes, that makes him a problem. I want to explore connect a little bit more in terms of value and then get into the major question that all of this accounting that we just went through really raises. So we'll do that next. Locked on Lakers is brought to you by Wayfair. The days are getting longer.

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Starting point is 00:12:12 Head to Wayfair.com. That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R. com Wayfair. Every style, every home. So the guy I'm curious about here is Connect. Like, when you think about, like, Reeves' trade value, I mean, he's still with, even with the contract, even with the idea that you are putting

Starting point is 00:12:33 yourself in a position, acquiring Austin Reeves, that you're going to need to pay him. He's very well regarded around the league. And a lot of teams, I think, would want him, even with that understanding that he's not going to be cheap anymore after next year. What about Connect? Do you think this year, because the Lakers didn't play him a ton down the stretch, didn't really play him at all in the playoffs, defensive issues were apparent.

Starting point is 00:13:02 He's not super young for a guy coming off his rookie season. on the other hand, definitely showed potential as a shooter and a score, which is a skill that never goes out of fashion in the NBA. What do you think his rookie season did for his value and perception around the league? Do you think you could trade him again for Mark Williams, you know, a Mark Williams caliber play? You don't understand what I'm getting? No, the answer is yes. I don't think Dalton really hurt himself over the course of the season.

Starting point is 00:13:34 he, I thought, handled the situation with the Mark Williams trade getting rescinded and the awkwardness of it. And, you know, I mean, this is truly unprecedented stuff that even a guy like LeBron who has been there, done that, he's got no perspective and advice that he can offer. I mean, forget the fact that that would never happen to LeBron. LeBron has never even been around anyone that it's happened to. So, like, that's a difficult thing to wrap your head around. And I thought Dalton reacted to it really well. Yes, he didn't play in the playoffs, but I'll be honest, there are enough people questioning JJ's decisions during the playoffs that I don't.

Starting point is 00:14:12 Whether you think it's justified or not that he didn't play Dalton, I don't think people are going to automatically take Dalton not playing as a seal of disapproval that you should take to the bank. I think the larger problem with Dalton, to be honest, is he makes so little money as a mid first round pick that he becomes very difficult to make the centerpiece of a trade by yourself of impact. So then you start getting into who else do you have to take on. Right. Who you start matching money. It's extremely complicated for the Lakers with the aprons, yada, yada, yada, yada. You can't do much. You cannot do a ton with Dalton by himself.

Starting point is 00:14:58 unless somebody like, and I'm just throwing this name out because I think they make relatively equivalent salaries, a guy like Nick Richards becomes available in Phoenix or Dayron Sharp, I don't know, they make, well, he's a restricted free agent, but Nick Richards, I believe, is on the last year. The player's a real calendar. Roughly what Dalton makes.

Starting point is 00:15:21 Somebody like that, but it will be very difficult to do much with Dalton by himself, which means, Yeah, I don't think though, but like to me, I don't think that's a huge deal because ultimately you'd be, the issue is more like, could you use Connect is like Connect and expiring for Gabe Vincent. Now you've got, you know, give or take $17 million or whatever to work with would connect to be enough of a, an appealing figure to make it so you wouldn't have to include maybe that first one first rounder that you have to get a decent player. I think with the right team. I don't think contending, I think contending level teams probably less so because they would see a lot of the same runway issues where we got more roster guys. You know, it's going to get to the playoffs.

Starting point is 00:16:17 Are we going to be able to trust them defensively and all that? A team like Charlotte where they tried, like those types of teams, I think absolutely would. You know, like you say, like, let me give you an example. I'm basically agreeing with you that I think his rookie season showed a lot that teams, I think, would find, still find appealing in ways that would make it to the Lakers don't have to like, you know, they could get some value by including Connect in a trade. Let me put it this way. Do I can't say with absolute certainty that the Lakers could manage to get, say, Nick Claxton from Brackston from Bray. Brooklyn using expirings and Dalton in lieu of a pick. Like I can't promise that would happen.

Starting point is 00:17:04 I haven't poked around enough to even learn. But if you're asking me on its face, do I find that far-fetched that you could manage to make it work with Dalton as opposed to a pick down the line? No, I don't find it far. Yeah, that's plausible. And I think that's, you're talking about relative. I mean, Nick Claxton, we got to, I got to saw a comment today, you know, as we're recording on Wednesday afternoon about the about.

Starting point is 00:17:27 Claxton, like, you guys need to stop it with Claxton. He's not that good. And I agree, he's a flawed player. But the thing about it is, they don't have, like, first of all, he's probably the second or third best center that's even plausibly available. So you can only, you can only deal, it's like swim in the pool that has water in it. And so, sorry, we're not throwing out ways for the Lakers to get Yokic. It's not going to happen.

Starting point is 00:17:56 Right. Wembe seems like a long shot. They would definitely have to include the pick if they do that. I mean, what do you want to do? We've been saying for two years, the Miles Turner ship done sale. Like I tried to make it happen when it seemed like a real opportunity. It doesn't make sense anymore for Indiana. And it's the issue.

Starting point is 00:18:17 So like the Lakers can only acquire what's available to them. But it's also you have to understand like it's you're also have to, you have to sort of to continue using water metaphors, fish with, you know, plausible bait. Like, you know, you can't go out trying to catch stuff. We don't have the right tools to go to. That's why we're taking this inventory. And the biggest reason I ask, Andy, is because the Lakers don't, the Lakers have a fair amount of needs.

Starting point is 00:18:47 I think it starts at center, but they could use more, I think they probably, you know, if you read the back of then a little more point. guard depth. I think they definitely could use more depth on the wing. I think they need rebound. Yeah. They they definitely, I'm trying to do sort of these in like reverse order. They definitely need significant rebounding help and they definitely need interior defense center helps and vertical, you know, a vertical threat at center. They need forwards that don't feel more like fours than threes. Like they need, we've been saying this for years for whatever reason. And I know they're one of the reasons is they're hard to get. But the Lakers every year seem extremely low on forwards that feel

Starting point is 00:19:33 much closer to a three than a slightly oversized two, but still overmatched, or a four that would be too slow for the assignment. Like they need an honest to goodness old-fashioned wing and clearly they need more center help. They need more center help. Some of these skill sets overlap. Hopefully your center helps you with your rebounding and all that. But like, Could you get a like a true power forward? Like the other part of what you're saying there is like, how about a power, how about a four that could be confused for a five instead of a three? You know, like the same same principle is like the three that's really a two.

Starting point is 00:20:12 And so, you know, you hope there's some overlap in in some of those skill sets and whatever. But you're not going to be able to likely acquire high end people at all. of those needs with what you have to work with. So the Lakers have to do some real prioritization when they do so. And it raises an interesting question to me. Like center, I think is the most important need. Yes. Is it more important to get a center, perhaps a lesser center, than like a better wing?

Starting point is 00:20:54 Like let's say what you, for whatever reason. you were able to get a better wing where you needed it a little bit less and you had to compromise more at center, at a weaker center rotation. Or you could get a player, use the same assets to get a center that's maybe the best you can do, but it isn't as good as the other guy that you can. You understand what I'm getting at? Like, do you prioritize the position and the need or the quality of the player that you're getting back?

Starting point is 00:21:23 It's a really, I don't think it's necessarily. an easy question to answer. So I'll give you the break to think about it. Do that next. You know, like in the NBA drafting, they always say, you know, best player available. Just don't try to draft for need because needs change.

Starting point is 00:21:48 And that can be true, I think, when you're talking about larger roster construction. But again, the part of the value of having Luca is you kind of know what your needs are going to be in the long term. You can now sign, trade, all that stuff for need, do you prioritize need over raw talent, skill, et cetera? I think it depends a lot on what type of raw talent and skill you're talking about and also what the gap is between the guy at the position of slightly lesser need versus how you're

Starting point is 00:22:22 actually filling it. Like the lay is how important the need is. Like if you have a list that 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 is the most important 5 is the least important. important. You can acquire a great guy who fills four and five. That's probably not the best use of your assets. You need to. Yeah. I mean, at this point, the Lakers, unless you are talking about like, I don't even know who this would be because it's going to be hard to push. It's going to be hard to make it worth pushing LeBron back to more minutes at the three. But I was going to say, like, unless you can just find an all-NBA caliber, all-star caliber true four, the Lakers do not need more fours on this team. It would be very difficult to justify

Starting point is 00:23:07 on a team that already has LeBron, Rui, DFS as currently constructed. As currently, I was about say, as currently constructed. I can only go by what we have. No, but I agree with you, but what you could, you could do is take out Rui for a four that maybe solve some of your rebound and interior defense questions. Potentially. But I mean, like, I, I, I want to, you. I want to, I want to avoid an exercise in talking about this that becomes completely esoteric where we're talking about variables and hypotheticals involving unnamed players that are not like after a while we're starting to just question how many angels can fit on the head of a pin. Like it becomes stupid. I'm talking about what based on what we have right now, what we know about this team. Some of these guys are likely, if not three quarters of them likely to be on the team this coming fall.

Starting point is 00:24:01 So because if for no other reason, then the Lakers are going to have to be careful about over committing too much when they may have much more flexibility in the summer of 2026, especially depending on what LeBron decides to do. But like as far as like centers go, I would say a center that you feel confident can be on the floor for 20 to 25 minutes. that would likely be a higher priority over most wings, unless you're talking about an upper echelon wing, like just throwing out a name, like an OG Ananobe style wing, a guy that's not an all-star, but he is really good at the thing he does.

Starting point is 00:24:44 You know, a guy like Josh Hart, for example, who plays much bigger than he actually is and, you know, provides more rebounding than a lot of centers around the league. if Josh became somehow available depending on what happens with the Knicks moving forward. I could see an argument for bringing in someone like him over most centers the Lakers could get because Josh is just so much better than a lot of those other guys. But short of a comp like that, I think the Lakers really do need to be looking at filling center-depth, center needs, a lot of which revolve around bringing out the best version of Luka and protecting

Starting point is 00:25:24 against the worst version of Luca. I think it's pretty clear. Luca needs, on a variety of levels, a big man supporting him. He needs it. It makes, you know, that vertical threat, that lob threat makes such a huge difference in what he's able to do and how teams have to defend him. He can throw every pass that's available. And so if you, just the presence of that threat,

Starting point is 00:25:54 opens up the floor for for Luca, for the Lakers. It can, you know, makes, it puts defenses on their heels that much more. And so, you know, if you need to, you know, they don't have to be, you know, Will Chamberlain in the post. They don't have to be a Hakeem Elishoan. They need to be able to set really good screens, roll hard to the basket, read, plays well, and get up and dunk. And protect the lane.

Starting point is 00:26:19 And protect the lane defensively be a decent, somewhere between. decent to solid and above lane protector, you know, rim deterrent, all of that. Like they, which you know what you're talking about here is kind of a rich man's tracks and Hayes. Well, I mean, look, we keep going back to Nick Claxton because I think he's going to be available. Nick Claxton is not an elite center, but he fills some of those, he checks some of those boxes and for what it's worth. The last time Nick Claxton played for a good Brooklyn team, He's a pretty good player. Like, he has not been as good the last couple years,

Starting point is 00:26:58 but he's been swimming through a lot of garbage. Like, he's been like in the Star Wars Trash Compactor for a couple years. You can't expect him to be that good. Right. The tricky part about this, too, especially when you think about the center. I'm not even trying to push Claxton, by the way, as much as I'm trying to make people recognize potential limits and also potential upside. Two best centers, I think, that are going to very likely be available,

Starting point is 00:27:22 are him and Gafford. And, you know, I would prefer Gafford, but, you know, Daniel Gafford's not a perfect player either. There's a reason why, despite some very gaudy statistics at different times over the course of his career, has never really been able to carve out a, you know, starting, a true starting role, certainly not on a good team. And he's about to get paid too.

Starting point is 00:27:49 You know, so you got, if you acquire Gafford, Gafford, it's got to be with the understanding that you've got to be willing to pay him probably 25, 28 million. About 20 pounds of everything, Claxton, so that helps. Oh, no, I would much prefer Gafford over Claxton. But neither guy is, you know, I think Gafford comes closer to some. But either way, you probably need two guys. Oh, you definitely need two guys. I don't think you can go into the season and say, like, we'll get Claxton and, you know,

Starting point is 00:28:20 and another, you know, Claxton will then, you know, pair him with bringing back Jackson Hayes or Gafford, bring back Jackson Hayes and we're good to go. I think you can bring back Jackson as a third center if he wants to, but you need to find two guys. And so again, can you do that with the trade assets you have? Do you do one center with our stuff and then go into the free agent pool, try to find a minimum guy that works, whatever it might be. That's just an upgrade over, over Hayes. But, you know, they, they are just going to have to really prioritize carefully and then

Starting point is 00:28:57 be very careful about skill sets because the people that they do get have to fit because they don't, you know, once you start using these assets, now you are really out of it. You really have to make sure what you get works with what you're trying. to build, which means JJ and Luca and Rob and I guess LeBron to some degree, but everybody's got to be on the same page. But this is also why I've mentioned this a few times. And again, with the caveat, I sincerely do not believe LeBron is obligated to give the Lakers a pretty steep discount to come back to take like $15 to $20 million, you know, opt out,

Starting point is 00:29:42 take $15 to $20 million off the contract that he could opt in, make around $30-ish million to open up a full mid-level exception. I truly do not believe LeBron is obligated to do that. But the reason why it would be important if he were willing is because if you can get that full mid-level exception, you can break that up into a couple players. And then if say like, do I want Clint Capella as, because he's going to be a free agent, My starting center, no. I would rather have Claxton or Dan Gaffert ahead of him.

Starting point is 00:30:16 But as a backup, that would be a great option. Clint Capella playing like 15, 18 minutes and night. And he is maybe somebody that you could get for the mini mid-level, the taxpayer mid-level exception. But if you could somehow break up a full mid-level to where you could offer Clint Capella like one year, $8 million, that because he's going to take a steep fall from like the 20-ish. Nobody's going to pay him the 20-ish mill that he that he's coming off,

Starting point is 00:30:47 his last contract. But the extra few million dollars could make a difference in the type of player that you could get to back up the center that you may end up trading for. I think like, you know, even somebody like, you know, this series with the Knicks and the Celtics, a guy like Luke Cornett has had some good minutes or whatever. can you if you could if you had seven million or eight million to play around with yeah you you could make a much more compelling pitch than with four or five you know five point five whatever it's

Starting point is 00:31:21 going to be and you know a guy like cornet isn't a starting caliber center in the league but he's a quality backup and he has he is likely a better backup than jackson hayes oh he definitely is and he's got you know a notable skill set like you know in terms he's You know, he absolutely positively is a better shot blocker. You know, he, you know, he's not exactly polished offensively, but he's a better rebounder. He's just a little bit better player than Hayes. Is he, you know, bouncy? Not necessarily, but the guy's got, you know, again, good rim protecting ability.

Starting point is 00:31:56 You, you has a skill set that you could use and might just be a little bit priced out at if you only have $5 million to spend. So again, that's why it makes a difference. That's why this question matters. Again, LeBron's going to decide to do what he wants to do and he should do what he wants to do. And if he feels like I don't trust the front office to make it worth my while or I don't think the free agent crop out there is good enough to make it worth my while. Are you saying I'm leaving $20 million so we can go get Luke Cornett. It's not going to sell him. It may not.

Starting point is 00:32:34 But look, I'll be honest. and I said this at the time, I thought LeBron's reported wish list or willingness list of players that he was willing to take that big pay cut for was largely performative nonsense because it would have required James Hardin to himself

Starting point is 00:32:53 take about a $20 to $30 million pay cut. Yonis Valanchunis never made a ton of sense for that. That felt more like an ask for AD, and I don't blame Valenciunis if he wanted to go somewhere where he could play more, then he likely would have with the Lakers. And I mean, I guess the Lakers tried their best to overpay Clay Thompson, but thankfully, it didn't work out. Yeah, it's fascinating.

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