Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Why Daniel Gafford's Contract Extension In Dallas Could Be Good for the Lakers

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, everyone, welcome to Locked on Lakers for Tuesday. Brian Komenetsky, Andy Kemeneski, some big action in the free agent center market. Is it actually good news for the Lakers this time? That's next. You are Locked on Lakers. Your daily Los Angeles Lakers podcast, part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. Thanks to everybody for making Locked on Lakers, your first listening to every day, Monday through Friday. no matter how where you get your podcast, this one's always free and never behind a paywall. Lockdown Lakers on YouTube is where you can go hang out with over 35,000 subscribers, Andy,

Starting point is 00:00:42 all of whom are impressed with what can only be considered the world's fastest entry into the Department of Corrections and Retractions in the history of the Locked on Lakers podcast as within the first four seconds of the show. I believe I made a mistake describing Daniel Gaffert as a free agent center. He was merely a center who is extension. eligible who could have become a free agent and is not anymore because the Dallas Maverick signed him to an extension. So clearing that one up and we'll get to what this means for the Lakers in a second. I was actually wondering who you were talking about. It was like we did a rundown. We got a headline for the show. I was very prepared to talk about Daniel Gafford who was potentially

Starting point is 00:01:26 entering a walk year. But maybe there was a free agent center that, you know, like Clint Capella went on record and said, I will go to the Lakers for the taxpayer mid-level exception. Nobody else need call, including the Atlanta Hawks. You can triple my pay. I don't care. Yeah, nope. It wasn't that. It was just a misstatement.

Starting point is 00:01:48 And for those people who are catching the audio, whether or not. As did Miles Turner, the Lakers all of a sudden, now a big-ass bidding war going on. And they didn't even do anything. But if you're watching on, if you're listening on the audio. a version, whether through Spotify or Apple Podcasts or whatever, couldn't do it again because we are doing the show live on YouTube on Monday night. Like Bill O'Reilly back in the day. Yeah, we're just, you know, you've got to live with your mistakes there, Andy.

Starting point is 00:02:16 And we're just as composed as Bill was on that day. So do want to let people know that today's episode is brought to by Fandle. Right now, new customers get $150 in bonus bets. If your first $5 bet wins, congratulations to anybody who bet the under on when Brian would make his first mistake in tonight's show. So the news, it was really kind of a fascinating thing. We got a few things to cover, including LeBron James working out, some action heating up ahead of the draft in terms of player movement.

Starting point is 00:02:51 A lot of things are going on. And even what I define as a crazy bit of gambling that you could throw out there if you want. But the Gafford news is obviously. is the biggest thing for the Lakers. When it first broke, Shams Sharani at ESPN described it as a three-year $60 million extension. That would have had completely different implications, had those actually been the contract terms. It turns out it was a three-year deal worth about $54 million. And because of that, the difference in that, you know, six-ish million dollars, is the difference between Gafford being ineligible to be traded for six months and eligible to be traded at any time.

Starting point is 00:03:44 So obviously it is a big difference for Gafford to be off the market versus on. And Gafford on the market not only keeps a player live in terms of the Lakers just can't afford for potential targets to disappear. But it also potentially makes a trade more predictable and easier to justify. Yeah, this from Yossi Goslin, if you're not following him, great cap guy. If you want to have a better understanding of how a lot of this stuff works, he, along with people like Keith Smith and Eric Pinkis, they're really good at breaking this stuff down. But Yossi tweeted out, this is the maximum amount Daniel Gaffer can extend for the extent. extend and trade limits, he can get a 120% raise off his $14.4 million salary in 2026, which starts him at 17.3 million in 2627. Then with 5% raises, it tops out at 54.3 million,

Starting point is 00:04:50 which sounds like down to the... A little 5% bump, a little cost of living something for you, Daniel Gafford. Well, it really is down to the penny. This is the maximum that we can give you in an extension, but also keep you trade eligible, which it was interesting. With his news broke, I immediately tweeted out at Cambrothers because at the time with Shams's original tweet, it sounded like Daniel Gafford wouldn't be eligible for a trade anywhere from, I don't know, three, six months. These things can be. Six months. Okay, six months. Sometimes these rules can be continued on what time. It would have been ineligible for six months, so right around the deadline.

Starting point is 00:05:32 Right. So my original thought was this is great news for the Brooklyn Nets if they are looking to create a Nick Claxton sweepstakes because Daniel Gafford would have been one center rumored to be potentially getable slash on the move, who for the time being is staying put. Once I saw this update from Yassi Goslin, my next immediate. thought was like instantly this is to me Dallas signaling we want to trade Daniel Gafford we want to make Daniel Gafford easier to trade that's the thing I think that's it I think I think the easier to trade part of it I don't think it means they automatically have to they automatically

Starting point is 00:06:21 feel like they they clearly they clearly want the ability to do that's the big thing that's when when he is now extended, there's no uncertainty about him being in a walk year. There's no uncertainty. I've talked about this with the Lakers specifically of Gafford having huge leverage over the Lakers or any other team that traded for him because of everything you gave up to get him, presumably that would put more of an onus on keeping him and therefore Gafford could extract more money in his contract. The terms are now set through 2029. You know exactly what Daniel Gafford's going to cost you. And while we've talked about before, I am not totally sold on Daniel Gafford as an everyday starting center. The terms for his deal are not in any way scary.

Starting point is 00:07:12 Like this is not a contract that would frighten you to take on, even if there's some things that you're feeling out about Gafford. Like I would still prefer Claxton all things being equal, but this makes Gafford much more in play. And at least from my perspective in terms of things I was concerned about, much more potentially enticing. Well, you have to mean, obviously you have to look at with every transaction. It's the player and also the finances, how this impacts what your books look like. And there's there's no question. Like you don't want to end up in a situation where you feel like you have to pay Gaff for like $30 million.

Starting point is 00:07:52 So like you just, you know, you let assets walk out the door or whatever it might be. And, you know, I do think some people might, you know, basketball numbers are hard to wrap your head around sometimes in terms of what the salaries are. You're basically talking about 18 million a year for Gafford. That is about what a player of that caliber costs. You know, you might be able to sneak a guy in for a little bit less than that. You might be able to sneak a guy in for a little bit more. But, you know, what's interesting, too, is that the center a couple years ago,

Starting point is 00:08:26 three, four years ago, Center was sort of a devalued position. And, you know, somebody like Gafford might make 15, you know, sort of like running backs in the NFL for a long time. It's just people to stop spending money on them. And centers, other than the most elite ones, it was kind of the same thing. Well, now the pendulum is swinging back the other way. Everybody's trying to add size. Everybody's.

Starting point is 00:08:50 And so like even a team like Dallas, you talk about they want the ability to trade Gafford. He is much, I agree with you, more tradable on a reasonable three-year deal than he is as an expiring contract, particularly to, you know, teams that are contending and don't necessarily have a lot of assets. They have now, this is actually a good piece of work by Nico Harrison. You know, they've got too many forwards with way too many forwards. AD and PJ Washington and Gafford and Lively and Cooper flags on the way. Like, just kind of allow people on the roster. They might have to release him, which is another one of these sort of the Lakers kind of looking around. We talked about Jock Landale yesterday with the, or I should say, Monday,

Starting point is 00:09:41 Monday, yeah, Monday show yesterday as just sort of like these names that could end up on the minimum salary market. it because of these machinations that happen. But now Dallas can sort of pick and choose who they get the best offer from, which one makes the most sense, where they can get the back court help that they need and all that. And when we come back, Andy, we can talk about perhaps what a trade might look like. And I will throw out something that I saw that made me giggle when we get back as well. But first, I do want to tell people that today's episode is brought to you by Monarch money because we've all done it. You look at your bank account, you wonder where all the money went.

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Starting point is 00:12:48 but the folks over at Bovada, one of the sports books, in the wake of the heat not getting Kevin Durant, put up the odds of favorites to trade for Bam out of bio, as long as we're talking about centers. The Lakers, of course, as they do in almost every one of these lists land at the top. do you think we talked about like do the lakers have the proverbial offer you can't refuse do you think the lakers have enough to make an offer that miami would accept for adabio i mean i got to go look at their books right now and figure out like do they have enough setting aside money and like no but it matters because like you have to stack up enough contracts to right but i'm just saying do you do you think the lakers have enough appealing players Like the players that would be, let's just say the money you can make work in a way that doesn't crush Miami, like they have to take on terrible contracts.

Starting point is 00:13:50 Do the Lakers have enough positive assets to get a player of that caliber? I would think no, just because like if they weren't willing to throw some of the reportedly guys like Jaime Hakez Jr. and Hayward Highsmiths. and whatever for like Kevin Durant. I don't picture like reverse engineering this. So somehow Austin Reeves and Rui Hachamura and like Dahlton Connect and a first gets you ban. But again, like the the salary numbers really do matter. Oh, right.

Starting point is 00:14:32 Yeah. No, that would the salary numbers would just make it harder. I'm just, I mean, like, I'm just going to cut to the case on this. on the idea of whether or not the Lakers even have enough for them to be like, okay, we do like those pieces. Let's see if we can make the money work. I don't think they do. I'm just going to cut to the chase.

Starting point is 00:14:51 Vegas lines, gambling lines, they always put the Lakers at the top of everything because the Lakers have one of the biggest fan bases and they want to entice gambling. And they, if they're hoping that either a lot of casuals who just assume the Lakers get everybody or the Laker fan base, which is so huge. Either way, the reaction will be let's F and go and they put down some money. Like that's, that's what this is. 100%. I'm just cutting, I'm just cutting to the chase so we don't get into the weeds on a stupid conversation. Yeah, but just I that the point of it, the question was just like, could they even put something like that together? Yeah. Do they really like Austin Reeves a first?

Starting point is 00:15:31 That's really that's, I mean, that's it does. I mean, those are the best players the Lakers can offer. unless, I guess, unless Miami thinks they've really missed Gabe Vincent's magic, like, you know, again, this is a stupid conversation. Well, and I apologize for bringing it up. I think, you know, the question becomes, is Dallas able now to get more? The line had always been with Gafford, the, the nets would be in a better position because you can get more for. Nick Claxton both because I think he's better, but also he has a contract that is very team friendly. It's not an onerous number.

Starting point is 00:16:15 It actually gets smaller. It declines as a point. So 25 this coming season a year roughly to 23, roughly to 21, roughly in 2028. Right. So not a little bit more than Gafford, but not crazy more than Gafford. And, you know, again, I think Claxton is, if that, I don't know, somebody can do the math for me. is that like he's 15% better than 20% better than than Gafford. So you're not paying something crazy for that.

Starting point is 00:16:43 I think this raise, this equals out, I think to some degree what Dallas is going to be able to do here with Gafford because it mitigates at the very least, it mitigates that contract question. And so where Gafford, the advantage for the Lakers for Gafford, not being on this contract is it probably doesn't cost as much to get it.

Starting point is 00:17:09 The advantage for the Lakers is if they want to get Gafford, they can do it with much more predictability and security, which I think is worth it. But, you know, that's the tradeoff. I think if you're the Lakers exploring a deal. Well, there's more of it too as well. Like let's say they're more interested in Nick Claxton, like you and I both happen to be.

Starting point is 00:17:30 For what it's worth, I did my ESPN, L.A. 7-10 weekly Lakers show, Lakers talk, and I had Mo DeKiel on. He's a former video coordinator for the Spurs and the Clippers, covers the NBA for Bleacher Report. And I asked him who he would prefer for the Lakers if he could choose. And he said Claxton. He just thinks Gafford might be the easier fit immediately, just because he and Luca had played together before, but he thinks Claxton's a better player.

Starting point is 00:17:56 But the good news now is, let's just say the Lakers do prefer Claxton. they can use the fact that Gafford is available to leverage in these negotiations with the nets. Whereas before, if teams could figure out, yeah, you'd be pretty skittish about trading for Gafford knowing he's going to have you over a barrel in these negotiations. We can start really playing hardball because you're not necessarily as sold on the idea of making that trade for Gafford. If Gafford is getable now for the Lakers, and I don't mean just getable in terms of what the Lakers would offer. I mean getable in the sense that it feels like there's less uncertainty in acquiring him moving forward. I think that's really good for the Lakers, as I presume, because everyone else does,

Starting point is 00:18:51 they're going to negotiate with the Nets about Nick Claxton. Do you, a couple of people in the chat have mentioned D'Andre Aiton, and I bring him up because the Blazers are doing stuff. They acquired or reacquired Drew, Drew Holiday from Boston exchange for Anthony Simons and two second rounders, I believe, were the terms there. Yep. So there are bringing in this sort of veteran help trying to teach the young players how to win. Aiton is a guy whose image has taken a massive hit.

Starting point is 00:19:28 over the last couple of seasons, but wasn't terrible in Portland last year. Didn't play a ton, which is always a problem with DeAndre Aiton. I am, I am Aitin skeptical. He, I believe is entering the last year of a deal. He is. And I just don't-

Starting point is 00:19:52 35-mill, I believe. Don't trust a guy like that to, both hold up, but also make a leap to play, you know, sort of meaningful minutes on a really good team at that price. Do you have any, what are your thoughts? He's actually one of the guys we've not talked about. We have not talked about Aiton, really, at all. I will share those thoughts coming up next.

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Starting point is 00:21:33 He suddenly becomes maybe a little bit more bailies, not somebody that we've talked about. Where is he on your, would you do that list? It would depend a lot. I mean, first of all, I think it's going to be very difficult to do this and come up with a deal that Portland likes without including Rui. And while I don't think Rui is untouchable in any way, particularly with the Lakers having as much front court redundancy,

Starting point is 00:22:01 as they have and a lot of guys defensively playing the four, including by the way, we should note this. You guys are aware. LeBron plays the four. What you may not be aware of is that he is back to working out again. He posted an Instagram video of him putting up shots in the gym. Man, it felt good to get back out there today for the first time since my MCL injury, almost eight weeks ago, been at it with my rehab and training regiment to get back to form.

Starting point is 00:22:31 not where I want to be ultimately, but off to a good start. Damn, what a great feeling. Shout out to my brother Kevin Love for allowing me to crash his workout. Also shout out to see Brickley 603 for always looking out when I'm in the city, prayer hands emoji, salute and crown emojis from LeBron. If you watch the video and probably a lot of you. Side note. You know, the prayer hands emoji is my understanding in the maybe the young people.

Starting point is 00:22:57 It's thank you. It's a high five. I don't know. Maybe it's versatile because I know a lot of people use it to say thank you. Well, yeah, but that's a prayer hands. But my understanding is it was actually meant to be a high five. I could be wrong. I suppose it could be. I'd have to look at all the different various hand emojis to know for sure. Maybe really examine the angle to see if it seems like two separate pairs of arms and hands. But either way, like if you watch this workout, LeBron's clearly not going to. going at game speed, but he also doesn't need to be at game speed right now.

Starting point is 00:23:35 He looks good out there. It looks comfortable. He looks fluid. And also, anytime you watch LeBron workout shirtless, it is just a demoralizing, embarrassing experience for the rest of us. Maybe for you. I look good. You didn't clearly watch the video.

Starting point is 00:23:53 With DeAndre, like back to the Rue thing, like I think there's a very good possibility that one way or another, Rui might need to be moved. even though I think he actually is pretty useful for this team, but I think it needs to be for the right player. DeAndre Aitin gets tricky because he's in the last year of an expiring deal, meaning you get potentially left with that decision of, okay, DeAndre Aitin showed out for me. What do I do with that, given DeAndre Aitin's track record over the

Starting point is 00:24:31 course of his career. He clearly has talent and for what it's worth, the same concerns were there about him in Phoenix and they managed to get to the finals despite every bit of skepticism that they had. So maybe people just spend too much time focusing on DeAndre Aiton's body language or vibe or whatever. Yeah, he's definitely a guy whose shortcomings have made it seem like he's a worse player than he is or even like even if you know he doesn't play winning basketball even a less productive player than he is i mean he averaged 14 and a half and 10 last season with you know a block a game and all that kind of stuff shot about 60% from the floor um you know that's that's in 30 minutes a night i mean that's not terrible um he gets hurt a ton he does get hurt a lot

Starting point is 00:25:25 i mean you talk about showing out like my it's the same thing with andrew bine him like i didn't want to be the guy who had to sign him to next deal because like the the worst case scenario with a guy like aiden is he plays really well in the 56 games that he plays and so it's the third season in a row where he's basically under 60 games um and but he played well so like what do you do with that and it's it's a horrible place to be i would i'd need to talk uh with our friends over at on Blazers, get more of an idea of what's been happening. I would want to watch more film on Aiton. Because you have to remember, too, if you're trading for DeAndre Aiton, you're

Starting point is 00:26:12 using up a lot of your expiring deals just to equal as salary. So at that point, like, unless you have to be pretty sure this is the move you want to make because even if it doesn't cost you like Austin or Dalton or your first, which are some of your better tradable assets, you're also losing a lot of the expirings that you could have to bring in different players. So you got to feel pretty good about it. I get why, because whoever asked us in this show, they're not the first person to bring up Aiton.

Starting point is 00:26:49 I get why he comes up. And I could picture it being a good trade. Don't get me wrong. I could picture it working. And I could picture that dude catching lobs from Luca and learning professionalism from LeBron and like all that stuff. But I'd be nervous. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:09 I'd rather I'd rather stick with the the formulas that we've all been talking about at this point, which is, you know, Claxton, Gafford, all that. So there's you guys that are just less. I'd rather make a smaller trade for Time Lord if it was possible, Robert William. If I'm right, I mean, if I'm going to take a chance on a guy who is always hurt or whatever, Williams costs less than, you know, just literally costs less to put together a deal. I'd rather make a lower stakes trade for Williams while obviously looking for another center. Yeah, for sure. Well, yeah, no, you can't rely on him to be your guy.

Starting point is 00:27:47 You mentioned the LeBron thing. we should we should probably before we go make a note of Alex Caruso briefly getting the basketball Twitterverse all angry

Starting point is 00:28:07 and whatever he said at his press conference after the Thunder won on Sunday night I finally got a real one meaning like a real championship that done in a normal way without a pandemic and a bubble. In front of crowds, on the road.

Starting point is 00:28:28 All this stuff. In a normal idea. And so, you know, he all of a sudden, particularly Lakers fans are freaking out, Alex Caruso's burying the title. And he pointed out that he was being sarcastic. And really, it was a response to those people who were discounting the title that he had, calling it less or whatever. He's like, okay, fine.

Starting point is 00:28:52 Discount that one. I got another one now. So bleep both of you. I believe all of you, I should say. It's a reminder. I mean, he was being sarcastic, but it's sarcasm that comes from play. It is a reminder of how people, many people regard that 2020 championship.

Starting point is 00:29:11 It's also worth noting by Caruso's own admission. He was a few beers in. So there was some outcome. alcohol fueling the sarcasm, which can always affect the delivery. You know he's won a title because he was the only guy on that roster who knew how to open a champagne bottle. Right. Like some of this really was just like he's feeling loopy.

Starting point is 00:29:35 He's feeling a little loose-lipped. And he's willing to be sarcastic because he just won a championship. And it's his second one. And like he said, nobody can say anything anymore. So shut the bleep up. It's like, fine. You don't think my first one counted. I have a second one.

Starting point is 00:29:49 Look, it's similar to what I've talked about a lot over the years about how for a large sect of NBA fans, who I think are all, frankly, idiots, Kobe had to win his fourth ring in order to win his first. Because in the eyes of a lot of those fans, because Kobe had never won one without Shaq, the first three somehow were discounted as if, like, Kobe was just some dude along for the ride. sitting their shotgun while everyone else did all the work. Like, they don't, they don't. Nicola Topich winning one with the,

Starting point is 00:30:27 uh, the thunder this year. He didn't play a minute because he was hurt. I mean, I've also said this before. Like, if you look at the contemporary guard, you know, Kobe's contemporary among guards, like the best of them,

Starting point is 00:30:41 Alan Iverson, Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Tracy McGready, like Jason Kidd. there are many of them. I'd say all of them. If they had played one season with Shaq, could they have gotten a ring? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:56 If they played two in a row, could they have repeated? Maybe. Could any of those guys had been the guard on the three-peat team with Shaq? Hell no. The list begins and ends with Kobe among guards.

Starting point is 00:31:10 And other than maybe Tim Duncan, I don't know if there was anybody else playing at the time that I would say could have been in that three-peak conversation. period because so much was required between talent and discipline and the will to get through all of this stuff. Like, there's a reason teams don't three Pete.

Starting point is 00:31:30 It's as much mentally as it is physically taxing. But again, for a lot of people, Kobe had to win number four to win number one. This is the same type of commentary that leads to Alex Caruso making self-deprecating jokes that really are middle fingers. Yeah, but look, I, I'm not somebody who thinks that title is, deserves an asterisk or it doesn't count or whatever. It is no less than any other title that's, that's ever been won in terms, and in some ways, in terms of the difficulty, and LeBron's talked about this a ton. In some ways, it was harder. But what it is is different.

Starting point is 00:32:13 It's just different than all the other ones. I don't think it's any less, but it's definitely just, it's different. The circumstances weren't replicable. And so to some degree, it's a little bit of like a, what do you do with this kind of title in terms of trying, you know, for all the legacy talk and this and that, whatever. But I do like that Caruso feels like he has an FU to those people who are, you know, who somehow didn't think the first one counted. And we covered Alex. He was awesome. Alex was a great guy.

Starting point is 00:32:48 I do want to, before we're done, you know, this summer at the very least, I do want to talk about why people hate the thunder so much and all that kind of stuff. But in the meantime, Andy is going to later in the week, you're going to be heading out for a little bit of time away. I'll have some guests lined up for the show. A couple of shows coming up at the end of the week. Of course, we'll be back, though, for Wednesday to set all that up. And we'll see everyone then.

Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Why Daniel Gafford's Contract Extension In Dallas Could Be Good for the Lakers

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