Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Why It's "The Beginning" for Luka Dončić With the Lakers. Plus... Kevin Love?

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, everyone, welcome to Lockdown Lakers for Wednesday. Brian Komeneski, Andy Keminstki, as Luca Donchich heads back to Slovenia. He's doing it with a big old chip on his shoulder. That's a good thing for the Lakers. That's next. You are Locked on Lakers. Your daily Los Angeles Lakers podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcasts. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day.

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Starting point is 00:01:24 So a couple of things there, but first, I do want to let people know that today's episode is brought to you by GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account, use code locked on NBA for $20 off your first purchase. We asked the question. I thought this was interesting. It's like I, and obviously this was before I saw what Dan wrote, because you had talked Andy a couple times and referenced, you know, the beginning of the Luca Donatured era.

Starting point is 00:01:52 When we did our show on Saturday on 710 ESPN, reacting to the extension and the press conference and all that kind of stuff, you know, a couple of times you called it the beginning of the Luca era, obviously technically started when they acquired him. but it's interesting if you read Dan's story at the athletic it appears that team Donchich kind of thinks of it the same way as we were talking about last night as for yesterday's show as the kind of the real official beginning of his time with the Lakers yeah it's felt that it's felt that way to me for a while first of all just because the extension was really Luca making the first commitment.

Starting point is 00:02:41 Not that he wasn't playing hard when he arrived at Lakers and trying to win or something like that, but this was the first real commitment he had made to them. Rob Polinka pointed out, I believe, either in the statement that the Lakers released when Luca signed the extension or during the press conference, the Lakers committed to Luca first just when they made the trade for him. But then this was Luca really committing to the organization. So in that sense, it felt like the era beginning because it was the official marking of a partnership, but also because Luca, by his own admission and just frankly, the eye test, was not comfortable

Starting point is 00:03:21 for the early parts of being a Laker, which makes sense because he was completely sucker punched by the trade in the first place and had very clearly, very clearly imagined and I think desired the idea of being a Mav for life. And quite literally taking the metaphorical torch from Dirk Novitsky, Dirk's final season coincided with Luca's rookie year and just carrying that legacy of great players in Dallas Mavericks uniforms forward. That's what he had wrapped his head around. It took a while for him to wrap his head around the idea of that not being his career anymore and that he was going to be starting a different career with the Lakers. So in that sense, well, again, obviously

Starting point is 00:04:11 Luca has played basketball in a Laker uniform. It didn't feel as much to me like the Luca era as what happened upon the extension in very large part because Luca was so clearly going out of his way to signal we are building up to something big and the big thing was signing this extension. Like this was an event by design. So I'll read from Dan's piece. It was another moment that we're talking about the concert and all that kind of stuff. It kind of leads into this. Of course, the Lakers are taking Luca to a celebratory Backstreet Boys concert at the Sphere in Las Vegas.

Starting point is 00:04:58 biggest. It was another moment that solidified that Donchich was right where he was supposed to be with a new team in a new city with a new opportunity. He formalized all that Saturday, signing a three-year contract extension with the Lakers in the first day they were able to offer it to him. He signed that deal presented to him in a custom purple and black folders with his name and the Lakers logo in opposite corners with a phrase his management team had chosen on a video screen behind him. the beginning. And so, you know, you see that and it's obviously, you know, the beginning of the time with the Lakers, like the real beginning of the Luca Donchichara. But I also think it's the beginning of a new focus, it seems, for Luca to punish people around the league. You know, to your point, his manager, Larbeth Seeger, said he's, quote, moved on in terms of carrying baggage around from his time in Dallas and the trade and all that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 00:06:06 But she also said this. I'm sorry. So she also talked about, I should say, the perspective that Luca has about about kind of taking it to the rest to the league about some of the disrespect that he that he's felt here's a quote I was looking for he's only looking forward and he's here he wants to get the best players here he wants to win and I know he knows it starts with him Seeger said and I think that's what he proved this offseason okay everyone wants to say people think they know me or that I'm not a leader or that I'm this way or I'm that way or that I don't care they think and say they can think

Starting point is 00:06:52 and say whatever they want I'm going to show them who I am. That's Luca taking a chip. You know, his manager putting the words in his mouth, but Luca taking the chip. She's not putting any words in his mouth. No, she's speaking, right.

Starting point is 00:07:09 She's reflecting his. For those just to, because this is new for Laker fans, like in terms of getting to know team Luca, you know, we've gotten very familiar with team LeBron and Clutch, and Clutch was also, team Anthony Davis. You're going to be hearing the name Bill Duffy a lot because that's

Starting point is 00:07:29 Lucas Agent. And you're going to be hearing the name Laura Beth Seeger a lot because she is his manager. I think if you were looking for a comp if I had to guess and I apologize to either person if I'm getting this wrong. But it feels like the relationship in some ways between LeBron and Maverick Carter, like in the way that it feels at times like Maverick guys. sort of the big overall picture with LeBron's career and, you know, Rich Paul handles the agent stuff. Again, I might be mistaken in the analogy. Yeah, but I mean, even if it's not the exact comp, it's, it's that level of closeness.

Starting point is 00:08:12 She's not speaking out of turn. She's speaking, you know, on behalf of, I think is a better way of saying. And so when she says those things, she's reflecting what Luca is thinking. And she's expressing Luca's thinking because Luca is not a terribly chatty guy, you know, in terms of this type of media story. And so I just think it's interesting. You see that Donchich taking this chip and putting it on his shoulder.

Starting point is 00:08:44 Like I am coming into this year, not just with the revenge bod, but really to show people, like to prove doubters wrong. And what I find fascinating about this prospect, Andy, athletes are famous for inventing slights. You know, Jordan used to make up stuff that people said or did or players had said or did to them. A lot of times it weren't even true.

Starting point is 00:09:13 And then just use that to go out and annihilate people. You know, Kevin Durant famously uses eggs on Twitter to get motivated and all that kind of stuff. Luca Donchich was legitimately disrespected by the Dallas Mavericks not just in the way that they traded him okay, maybe good decision, bad decision, but to justify it,

Starting point is 00:09:35 there was a lot of stuff that at the very least the Mavericks did zero to counteract to disagree with about kind of bad-mouthing Luca in his training and his why would they counteract their own whisper campaign? There are people who are saying that they're claiming they didn't put any of that out there. I do not believe that.

Starting point is 00:09:55 Okay. Yeah, that's hilarious. Even then, you could still say there are a lot of, you know, they certainly at best were not dispelling anything that was out there. Like, that is legitimately the kind of thing. If you're a professional athlete who happens to be as competitive, as Luca Donchich is, that's not even like, fabricated chip on shoulder stuff.

Starting point is 00:10:24 That's the real deal. That's the actual stuff you can use to motivate, and you don't even have to make it up. And we can talk a little bit more about that after the break and what it means for the Lakers going forward. But this is part of what the Lakers are acquiring here. We'll do that next.

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Starting point is 00:12:13 It's an interesting question where you talk to this. We'll get back to the other stuff in a second. If you had a bet on how many MVP's Luca will win as a Laker, I have not thought about this at all. So, I mean, this is kind of like a live thought exercise. But let's say he plays here for eight years. You know, it takes him to 30 something. And then he retires or goes back and plays in Slovenia.

Starting point is 00:12:41 But like, how many MVPs do you think you get out of that? Eight years, 10 years, whatever it might be. I mean, to some degree, this is going to be dependent on how good the team is around them. Right. Exactly. There's no question. It's to a large degree. I say this not to hedge, but just because.

Starting point is 00:12:55 your team for the most part, there are rare exceptions, but for the most part, your team has to be this high to ride the ride that is your best player getting MVP. Like take for top three in your conference. Yeah. Generally. Take for example, 2006, Kobe, the year that in retrospect, he really should have won MVP that season,

Starting point is 00:13:19 the year that Kobe put up 35 a game. I mean, he was exceptional, even by Kobe standards that year. But his team was, I believe, a sixth seed. You're not going to win an MVP for the most part. Again, there are exceptions when Russell Westbrook won MVP that year, when he averaged a triple double, I think OKC was a five or a six seed.

Starting point is 00:13:41 But for the most part, it's not going to happen. So there's some requisite work that Rob Belinka has to do or internal improvement has to take place in order to put Luca in that position. but that being said, I think two MVPs are on the table, like as a starting point. And I say this specifically because the way Antoine phrased the question of with guys like Yokic or SGA or Jason Tatum or whoever in the league, yes, but all the great players overcome by definition the other great players when they win MVP. I mean, when LeBron or Kobe or KD, Nash, Durant, whoever, like, they have all won MVP's against really crowded elite company.

Starting point is 00:14:30 That's part of the thing that happens when you win MVP. And Luke is considered a top five players, so he's going to be in that mix. I think for sure, I'd be surprised if you didn't win one. I'd be surprised, I think, looking back on it, I don't know when it'll be. I don't know which year. I don't know, but I do think, you know,

Starting point is 00:14:54 Luca will have a championship in LA. I do think, though, it's gotten harder. Like, I feel like you look around and, you know, the dynasty teams, like repeating teams. It's not easy to do that stuff. We had a long stretch of NBA history where, like, It felt like, you know, if you didn't repeat, you could come back. You know, the Spurs seemed to win every other year.

Starting point is 00:15:21 And then, you know, the Lakers had three. And then they had two. And, you know, they had another finals that they went to before that. It was, you know, three finals in three years. And so you look at all these things that there was sort of these dynastic teams. And it feels harder to do that now than it did that, whether it's because, you know, it's tougher to keep teams together because they're maybe the talent level of the league is going up a little bit.

Starting point is 00:15:48 You know, guys don't need to be in the big destination cities to make it work, whatever it is. So, like, if he wins two MVPs and a title or two, that's really good. Like, I feel like in this era of the NBA, that's a really impressive thing. And has the Lakers in contention most years? It's funny, like, Luke has never been like a runner-up. up for the MVP. He's always been first team MVP, but I think, or NBA, but I think the highest he's

Starting point is 00:16:21 finished for MVP is like third or fourth, right? I'll look it up, but it's really hard to win MVP, like really hard. So many things have to line up that are kind of out of your control as a basketball player. Yeah. I mean, it's it's difficult work. I mean, you will you will look back in a guy like Kobe, for example, you know, we talked about him earlier. Like it will,

Starting point is 00:16:49 or Shaq, it will seem to a lot of people crazy that they've only won, the only one one MVP in their career. I think Kevin Durant only has one. Like, I think there will be times where people look back on that and say like, that's crazy for Kevin Durant. But then you have to start thinking about who should have won,

Starting point is 00:17:09 you know, who won instead and why would you take the trophy away from them or what? Like, hard. Yeah. And, you know, we've never been MVP voters, but a lot of times people, this can become a narrative thing or most interesting story thing or whatever. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:29 Where your team lands. Yeah. It's, there's a lot of different criteria that goes into winning MVP other than just who's the best player in the league. And frankly, that's a subjective thing anyway. Luca, just to put the, you put a cap on this, like as a framing thing, two years ago. in Dallas. When Luke averaged 34, 9.2,

Starting point is 00:17:51 9.8, a steel and a half and half a block a game, shot 49% from the floor, 38% from 3-point range, and 79% from the free throw line, he finished third. So, to your point, like

Starting point is 00:18:07 behind Yokic and SGA. So it's really hard, but I think if he wins one or two, two would be a really impressive accomplishment, and it also means the Lakers have had at least two really top flight seasons. There are not that many players who've won multiple MVP's. And to your point, too, I think it used to be more of a relatively common thing to, you know,

Starting point is 00:18:36 to be the player that has ownership over MVP. I think that used to be more, I mean, other than I guess Yokic over the last 10 years, you know, Steph has a few, but I think especially too, as it becomes harder for teams to, you know, win multiple championships or three and four years, something like that, I think in turn it's going to make it harder for different players to essentially hang on to that trophy for like a five-year period. They win three or four times. Yeah, and then Yokic is doing historic, historic stuff to make that happen on a very good team. So anyway, it was a good question, Antoine.

Starting point is 00:19:19 Thank you very much for leaving that question up there. But I mean, part of, you know, to put those two things together, Andy, part of what is going to potentially get Luca there is vengeance. And, you know, that extra bit of motivation. Or Kevin Love. Yeah, maybe. But, you know, that extra bit of motivation that comes with this type of career pivot. And it was, it was, I'm glad Dan's story got into the idea of like him, you know,

Starting point is 00:19:53 the other thing that I think was sort of underrated about last year was needing time to get past it. Now he's now he's not only past it, but it fuels him. And so just again, it's another sign the Lakers are getting a better version of Luca. And one much closer likely to the guy who was so dumb. in it a couple years ago in Dallas. Yeah, I mean, I remember when Freddie Freeman got traded to the Dodgers or signed with it. I don't remember exactly if it was a trader signed with them, but he had planned on being a

Starting point is 00:20:28 brave for a life. And that was difficult for a while for him. And I remember there was a point where Clayton Kershaw had to gently but firmly say, man, we get that this is a transition for you and we understand why it's tough. we need the Freddie Freeman from Atlanta man like we need you to get past this and he did and then they took him to a backstreet boys concert and it was fine after that saying this stuff can be tough but I think it seems like Luca is truly moved past it all and I think it's going to be a really really good season for him um weird little thing that popped up on on uh on Tuesday that

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Starting point is 00:22:27 And if you're switching from another service, Open Phone will even port your existing numbers at no extra charge. Open phone, no missed calls, no missed customers. One last thing about Dan's article, Andy, that I actually stuck out to both of us. among the things that Luca did in this time period, I guess it was last week or it seemed like that's what they were saying. He filmed an episode of Hot Ones, which if you don't know what that show is,

Starting point is 00:22:59 it's the one where they, Sean Evans sits with a star and interviews them while they eat a row, a series of progressively hotter chicken wings. And I think most people, People are pretty familiar with this show by now, but... Super popular. Right.

Starting point is 00:23:20 It's very, very popular. But if you haven't seen it, it is legitimately one of the best interview shows out there. Yeah, it's really good. It's excellent. And I don't, I love watching it. I watch it relatively regularly. I don't necessarily think this is going to be like the best episode of Hot Ones ever, only because Luca's just not a super vibrant and,

Starting point is 00:23:46 like, you know, interview or whatever. But I do think this could end up being one of the best interviews of Luca that we've, we've ever seen because Sean Evans is that good at his job. So I'm very excited to see that one come out. Meanwhile, in other news, Kevin Love, Brett Siegel of clutch points reported that, quote, word around the league surrounding love is that he once ended up in Los Angeles. There were some rumors that Love would want to go to New York, but there doesn't seem to be much interest brewing from the Knicks.

Starting point is 00:24:23 At different times, you know, Love went to UCLA. He's been kind of linked back to here. Does that make it any sense at all for the Lakers? No. Any? No. No. I don't.

Starting point is 00:24:40 When you look at the things that the Lakers really need across the roster, athleticism, getting younger if possible, better defense if possible, better two-way play if possible. Kevin Love brings none of that to the table. He is 37 years old. He, in his prime, was never the quickest most mobile defender or most effective defender. He has not been a particularly prolific NBA player for a few years. Last year he played like 11 minutes a game from Miami,

Starting point is 00:25:15 and they were looking to win. Like they were actually trying to win games and couldn't find minutes for Kevin Love. He hasn't been particularly good from behind the arc. Like, he hasn't been terrible. But he has not been like the one of the best shooting big men in the league percentage-wise for three or four seasons. I don't really know what he brings to the table.

Starting point is 00:25:42 that you're not theoretically getting from Maxi Claiba, more or less. And I just don't feel like he, I mean, he still can rebound pretty well. And I know the Lakers is a good rebounder. They've lacked some rebounding. But for the most part, no, I don't think he particularly helps. And when you take into account that the Lakers, even though they have an open roster spot, they cannot even right now because of cap issues, sign a veteran's minimum guy. They don't have the space for it.

Starting point is 00:26:11 unless they happen to do a consolidation trade that has absolutely nothing to do with Kevin Love whatsoever. But after doing the trade, they have more space. And then they've canvassed the league for anybody better, can't get anybody better, and then decide to bring in Kevin Love like, okay, fine. But otherwise, no, I think it makes very little sense at all. It is worth noting Kevin Love is a technically a member of the Utah Jazz right now. He's just not expected to be there for very long. At the very least, he's not expected to be there all season.

Starting point is 00:26:51 Ray did point out his wife is gorgeous. Is that a good enough reason? Probably not from a basketball standpoint. He's married to a former SI swimsuit model. He looks very good in the Banana Republic. Finally, we can see good-looking people at a Laker game. I mean, it's been a long time. It's been a long time coming before finally a pretty person showed up at crypto.com.

Starting point is 00:27:14 So thankfully, I guess if they bring in Kevin Love, they can finally handle that problem. It's a parade. It's a parade of just unbelievably ugly people down in that lower bowl. Yeah, exactly. True. Okay, so maybe that's not going to do it either. I feel about like, we were kind of talking about this earlier in the day. And it's like, I agree with everything you're saying.

Starting point is 00:27:37 Like, you don't open up space. You don't sacrifice a player. Like, you don't do any of that for Kevin Love. But like if you just said, like, there was some rule where you could just grab a guy and like stick him on your bench. Like everybody could get like a 16th guy. And like, you know, he's just sort of there to serve. They're only 15? What?

Starting point is 00:28:00 And they're only 15 on the roster? That's what you could just sort of grab a 16th guy. Like you just, sure, you can have that guy. I think they call those assistant coaches, Brian. That's, you know, maybe that's the role. I wouldn't mind having him around. I just wouldn't do anything to get him. I like the idea of having, like, do what?

Starting point is 00:28:20 Like, what do you around for? To do the veteran guy stuff. Like, that's just, every team has one of these guys. And, you know, the dude who basically wears the warm up all year. you if you ever you need them seven times for 11 minutes and you can stick them in there and it's fine the lakers don't have a deep enough bench to be totally honest for that for that type of I agree with you that's why I wouldn't actually sacrifice anything but like it's just be one of those things that if they had the room I don't object to it I don't mind the idea of sticking Kevin

Starting point is 00:28:56 love at the end of the bench for this team I just don't think you can make it The Clippers maybe could. You know, they need a little veteran presence. They've got the same problem. They don't have the cap space either. No, and it wouldn't make them much older. Like, Kevin Love actually would raise the average age for the Lakers. He really wouldn't raise the average age for the Clippers.

Starting point is 00:29:23 And by the way, he's not 37 for another 30 days. So please don't age the guy anymore than he already is. but it does at some point you do expect the Lakers to find a way to fill that 15th spot. It's just going to

Starting point is 00:29:42 take a minute, I think, you know, because again, they don't have the cap space to do it right now anyway, you know, the apron space to be more accurate. And to get to that place, you have to start moving players around.

Starting point is 00:29:58 And they just, you know, there's nowhere to move anybody right now. I've also seen too, like on social media and whatnot, I think actually even a few comments in this show, like the idea of bringing Kevin Love as something that theoretically would make LeBron happy just because they are very close friends. And I want to make it clear. To the best of my knowledge, there is no evidence that LeBron wants this agitating for it, pressuring anything like that. Just so it is clear. That's not this thought process is not stemming from anything. that is thus far being reported about LeBron,

Starting point is 00:30:33 but that is the thought process. I just wanna make that clear before people start crapping on LeBron over this. But that being said, even if say LeBron did want Kevin Love, I still don't think it's a good reason to do it because it doesn't make them any better from a basketball perspective.

Starting point is 00:30:51 And reportedly or theoretically, the reason LeBron would be still uncertain about his situation with Lakers is because from a basketball perspective, he doesn't think they're good enough to compete for a championship. Kevin Love doesn't make them better. So I would look for somebody else that would make the team better. And if it is really, and again, to make it clear, no evidence of this, but if it really is

Starting point is 00:31:19 just about LeBron wanting a teammate that he's close to, like, okay. No. I mean, I think much more a guy who went to UCLA. was born in Santa Monica, you know, got connections to California up and now. I mean, for me, the idea of closeness, you know, LeBron, I mean, the Santa Monica, UCLA thing, I mean, it's 20 years ago. No, I'm saying it's much more likely he just wants to be like, probably probably my last year. I'd rather spend it in California. Sure.

Starting point is 00:31:51 Well, I know why Kevin. I mean, I am I am talking about what you were saying before like about LeBron is not, none of this has anything to do with LeBron. on. It's just Kevin Love would rather be in California playing with one of the LA teams than he'd rather be in Salt Lake City. Again, I don't think anything you're saying is wrong. The idea is to improve the team.

Starting point is 00:32:13 The idea is to find the best players. I just, there is a space on most good teams for that kind of seasoned guy who's a good presence in the locker room, good, all that kind of stuff. And I wouldn't mind him filling that role.

Starting point is 00:32:29 I just don't think they have a luxury of trying to open up a space, whether it's the literal Kevin Love or a different version of that same role, they don't have the ability to open that up for anybody, whether it's Love or, you know, a Morris or anybody else out there right now. No, they need to get legitimately deeper as a roster.

Starting point is 00:32:53 And Kevin Love just doesn't help whether for basketball reasons, whether it would be as an accommodation to LeBron, it wouldn't make sense on either level. And no, again, unless a bunch of different machinations take place where the roster gets better and then at that point you had Kevin Love, sure, but otherwise, no, I think it's a silly idea. I did once see him box out a sumo wrestler. That was pretty impressive.

Starting point is 00:33:23 Locked on Lakers on YouTube is where you can go hang out with over 36,000 subscribers to the channel. we will be back tomorrow. Luca, I believe, is playing on Friday against Germany with the national. I don't think that is, I think that's like a friendly, they call it, a warm-up game. But we'll sort of start paying attention to what Luke is doing with the Slovenian team, see how he looks, to be his first five-on-five game since the end of the NBA season. So we'll see how that goes as we get towards Eurobasket.

Starting point is 00:33:56 Everybody have a good day. Thank you.

Locked On Lakers - Daily Podcast On The Los Angeles Lakers - Why It's "The Beginning" for Luka Dončić With the Lakers. Plus... Kevin Love?

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